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Title: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday July 09, 2019, 08:15:28 PM Eastern
I own only one gun, . . . But I discovered Tantarite last weekend so, 🤔 that could change
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWUbifXYAEm6Rb?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!ín
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 09, 2019, 09:53:41 PM Eastern
to bad you live where you do, your local governments don't like the subjects to be armed. It scares them. But yeah tannerite is a blast to play with, you just need a decent piece of property
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!ín
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday July 10, 2019, 12:03:11 PM Eastern
to bad you live where you do, your local governments don't like the subjects to be armed. It scares them. But yeah tannerite is a blast to play with, you just need a decent piece of property
Ya got that right!!


We where down in Franklin County Va at my buddies plans with about 20acres. . . That he pays less for a month than I do an apt in Bmore.. . 😡
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Saturday July 20, 2019, 10:40:41 PM Eastern
Sounds like it could be something to pass the time. Fun even! Get yourself a couple more guns, ya never know........... anyway, I own nine of Ďem at the present, sold a few years ago. Iíve been at this for a very long time. I have a license to carry a concealed firearm, but then again, this is Pa.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 24, 2019, 02:47:19 PM Eastern
Well, some of my 2 cents on this subject...
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Wednesday July 24, 2019, 04:32:57 PM Eastern
That is an outstanding collection, congratulations! I am mostly into shotguns, pump and semi auto, bolt action and lever action rifles. One pump action .30-06 and four revolvers.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 24, 2019, 07:39:28 PM Eastern
Well, some of my 2 cents on this subject...


I tried posting a picture but the website says the file is too big
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Wednesday July 24, 2019, 08:11:08 PM Eastern
Try this site, postimage.org. It is easy to use and free. I have used it for years. At least it was. I donít even sign in and it still lets me upload. After you upload the photo to their site you have to click on the photo that pops up and then click on share. You have to scroll down and click on hotlink for forums on the little blue image to the left, and it should say copied. Return to our forum and put the curser in the post. Click paste and the html or whatever shows on the post. Preview it first and you should see your photo. Make sure you have the first step when you upload, set for no expiration date.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 25, 2019, 03:42:56 PM Eastern

I tried posting a picture but the website says the file is too big


Maybe you got a bigger gun than the rest of us?  :-X
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: DC_1908 on Thursday July 25, 2019, 04:58:52 PM Eastern
Try this site, postimage.org. It is easy to use and free. I have used it for years. At least it was. I don’t even sign in and it still lets me upload. After you upload the photo to their site you have to click on the photo that pops up and then click on share. You have to scroll down and click on hotlink for forums on the little blue image to the left, and it should say copied. Return to our forum and put the curser in the post. Click paste and the html or whatever shows on the post. Preview it first and you should see your photo. Make sure you have the first step when you upload, set for no expiration date.
Another quick way is “using” Twitter. I use a dummy account (with a fake email, with 0 followers, that I “post” pics to, then go to share, open to Safari (or other browser) and it opens it in a web page
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWUbifXYAEm6Rb?format=jpg&name=medium (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWUbifXYAEm6Rb?format=jpg&name=medium))
then copy that and paste it into the pic icon  (camera icon), just remember to change the “=medium” at the end to “=small”,  otherwise the image takes up half the page.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWUbifXYAEm6Rb?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 25, 2019, 05:34:34 PM Eastern
That is an outstanding collection, congratulations! I am mostly into shotguns, pump and semi auto, bolt action and lever action rifles. One pump action .30-06 and four revolvers.


First off...thanks AJ...or mayba ALTA for starting this thread....can't believe I never saw it before a couple days ago.....especially in my time of Caps boredom (thanks for that thread too  ;D )

I've been working on my mini"collection" (very slowly) for many years.  I have some more not pictured.... my original Ruger 10/22 which I've had since I got it new about 40 years ago.  Still a great little gun that still shoots very well.
I also have a J.C Higgins bolt action 12 ga shotgun.  I bought it for used for $50 about 20 years ago.  I was told it was made for Sears Roebuck and after a little research, I confirmed it was indeed.  It was made likely in the 1950's and sold in Sears catalog for $30 new.  Mine is a 12ga, but they made them in multiple gauges.  It holds 4 rounds.  I thought it was kind of weird - I had never seen a bolt action shotgun at the time.  It shoots well for what it is.  Kicks quite a bit.
My first handgun was the pictured Ruger .357 (stainless) revolver (a few decades ago).  The others shown are Sig 226 9mm, Sig P320 .45, and a Berretta Neos .22.  I have to say I have fired many handguns and nothing matches the Sig guns.  Note this only MY OPINION based on MY EXPERIENCE - not knocking anyone's favorites here, just stating mine.  I have fired....don't know how many thousand rounds through the 226 over the last three decades in multiple conditions with various ammo and never had a failure, and the guns are very accurate and true.  The .45 is relatively new, but it is surprisingly accurate for a carry length gun.  I am very happy with it as well.
The other two pictured are the AR-15 I've had for decades, and an AR-10 which is new to me last year.  (It is a .308/7.62 version of an AR for those who are not experts)  Really been wanting something with a little more knock-down power and man is that thing fun to shoot.  The nice thing about the AR's is even with the bigger caliber, they kick very little so it's easy to handle and fun to shoot.  I've shot the 30-06 bolt action deer rifles and....they're just not that much fun, but then I guess most are not hunting whole herds at one time, so there is that.

Okay, so I will try not to go overboard, but I was getting really tired of all the people and their stupid marathon stickers (26.2, 13.1 halv rev, 10k, 5k etc, etc.) on there cars telling me what great runners they were, so I made my own to compete.  Mine says 7.62 in the big numbers and then is very small letters around the oval; "Go ahead and run...you will just die tired".  I'm really not a nut, and sadly, I have to admit my wife forced me to remove it from my vehicle shortly after I put it on the rear winder.  She had an "altercation" with a liberatard in a grocery parking lot one day she drove it.  Someone actually confronted her and said she must be a racist for having that on the vehicle.  A racist?  Really?  What exactly is racist about this?  Insensitive, maybe?  Funny, maybe - if you had a sense of humor.  It really was only done in jest.  However, my wife was taking the car and our kids on vacation the following week, so I removed it.  I am very non-confrontational actually, but I wish I'd had been there to "educate" the person on confronting my wife about their own stupidity.


(Caps 17201) What kind of lever action do you have?  I have always wanted one, but haven't gotten there yet. 

I have a friend who's dad recently gave him an limited edition NRA lever action rifle he bought about 30 years ago that has never been fired.  I have to go back and ask him what it is.  I believe it is a 30-06.  He was going to sell it to me cheap sometime last year (as he had no interest in it), but then got cold feet and figured his dad might ask about it at some point and he did not want to admit letting it go.

Anyway, there's my gun rant for today.

Sorry...read back thru this and I sound like a nut.  Really just a gun enthusiast and not any type of nutball.  So, I like guns.  Must be a real 'merican.

GO CAPS


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 25, 2019, 05:51:11 PM Eastern
I own only one gun, . . . But I discovered Tantarite last weekend so, 🤔 that could change
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWUbifXYAEm6Rb?format=jpg&name=small)


Sorry DC...I gave ALTA credit for starting this thread.


I shot some of this (I assume it was the same) tantarite at a redneck's house one day a few years ago.  Okay, he was black so not a redneck, but a countrified black guy who lived like a redneck.
Had it about 50yds down range and "we" decided to put a stuffed animal on it and blow it sky high.  Set it up on some small logs to get some height to see it and BLAM.  No lie - it blew a chunk of wood back at us and over our heads and hit my car behind us (where my boys were safely standing....well behind the blast zone....so we thought).  It put a small dent just beneath my driver's window.  Two inches higher and I would have had a very expensive electric window to replace.  Three of my boys were standing right there...guess we were lucky.


I had never used the stuff before and it wasn't mine.  It belonged to the "black redneck" who owned the property, and the gun for that matter.  We shot it with an AK-47, and I was the one who fired it so I didn't really see the blast as well as some of the others.


The guy has 40+ acres and we were being pretty responsible.  Had been shooting for a few hours - He has large downhill open field "range" with a really large dirt pile backstop.


After the blast, we were packing away for the day and got a visit from the local sheriff.  He was actually pretty nice about it.  He said he was just responding to a phone call and he looked at our range, etc and told us to have a good time, but try and keep it safe.


Anyways, pretty fun, but the whole ride home, I could just imagine me sitting in the ER waiting room explaining to my wife how the "chunk of wood" had impaled one of the kids, and that we really were being careful.  :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Thursday July 25, 2019, 09:33:19 PM Eastern

First off...thanks AJ...or mayba ALTA for starting this thread....can't believe I never saw it before a couple days ago.....especially in my time of Caps boredom (thanks for that thread too  ;D )

I've been working on my mini"collection" (very slowly) for many years.  I have some more not pictured.... my original Ruger 10/22 which I've had since I got it new about 40 years ago.  Still a great little gun that still shoots very well.
I also have a J.C Higgins bolt action 12 ga shotgun.  I bought it for used for $50 about 20 years ago.  I was told it was made for Sears Roebuck and after a little research, I confirmed it was indeed.  It was made likely in the 1950's and sold in Sears catalog for $30 new.  Mine is a 12ga, but they made them in multiple gauges.  It holds 4 rounds.  I thought it was kind of weird - I had never seen a bolt action shotgun at the time.  It shoots well for what it is.  Kicks quite a bit.
My first handgun was the pictured Ruger .357 (stainless) revolver (a few decades ago).  The others shown are Sig 226 9mm, Sig P320 .45, and a Berretta Neos .22.  I have to say I have fired many handguns and nothing matches the Sig guns.  Note this only MY OPINION based on MY EXPERIENCE - not knocking anyone's favorites here, just stating mine.  I have fired....don't know how many thousand rounds through the 226 over the last three decades in multiple conditions with various ammo and never had a failure, and the guns are very accurate and true.  The .45 is relatively new, but it is surprisingly accurate for a carry length gun.  I am very happy with it as well.
The other two pictured are the AR-15 I've had for decades, and an AR-10 which is new to me last year.  (It is a .308/7.62 version of an AR for those who are not experts)  Really been wanting something with a little more knock-down power and man is that thing fun to shoot.  The nice thing about the AR's is even with the bigger caliber, they kick very little so it's easy to handle and fun to shoot.  I've shot the 30-06 bolt action deer rifles and....they're just not that much fun, but then I guess most are not hunting whole herds at one time, so there is that.

Okay, so I will try not to go overboard, but I was getting really tired of all the people and their stupid marathon stickers (26.2, 13.1 halv rev, 10k, 5k etc, etc.) on there cars telling me what great runners they were, so I made my own to compete.  Mine says 7.62 in the big numbers and then is very small letters around the oval; "Go ahead and run...you will just die tired".  I'm really not a nut, and sadly, I have to admit my wife forced me to remove it from my vehicle shortly after I put it on the rear winder.  She had an "altercation" with a liberatard in a grocery parking lot one day she drove it.  Someone actually confronted her and said she must be a racist for having that on the vehicle.  A racist?  Really?  What exactly is racist about this?  Insensitive, maybe?  Funny, maybe - if you had a sense of humor.  It really was only done in jest.  However, my wife was taking the car and our kids on vacation the following week, so I removed it.  I am very non-confrontational actually, but I wish I'd had been there to "educate" the person on confronting my wife about their own stupidity.


(Caps 17201) What kind of lever action do you have?  I have always wanted one, but haven't gotten there yet. 

I have a friend who's dad recently gave him an limited edition NRA lever action rifle he bought about 30 years ago that has never been fired.  I have to go back and ask him what it is.  I believe it is a 30-06.  He was going to sell it to me cheap sometime last year (as he had no interest in it), but then got cold feet and figured his dad might ask about it at some point and he did not want to admit letting it go.

Anyway, there's my gun rant for today.

Sorry...read back thru this and I sound like a nut.  Really just a gun enthusiast and not any type of nutball.  So, I like guns.  Must be a real 'merican.

GO CAPS


The SIG is a very fine pistol. Since you ask, I own four lever action rifles. Two Marlin model 1894ís in .44 magnum. One with a scope and one with iron sights. They were both made in the old factory in North Haven, Connecticut. One in 2002 and one in 2005. Superb fit and finish. Beautiful walnut stocks. One Henry Golden Boy .22, with a brasslight receiver. They polish up nice but are not solid brass. And one Henry Classic lever action blued .22. Henry does a wonderful job on their walnut stocks. I have been hunting and shooting for a long time.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday July 25, 2019, 10:04:32 PM Eastern

First off...thanks AJ...or mayba ALTA for starting this thread....can't believe I never saw it before a couple days ago.....especially in my time of Caps boredom (thanks for that thread too)

.....   snip    .....


I remember seeing bolt action shotguns back in the day. I thought it kinda pointless. The standard AR15 is sooooooooo deadly that it's not leagal to hunt with in Virginia. The law requires you use a .240 or bigger bullet. So I built two in 6.8spc(.277). I got one of them .308s too, but it's a heavy pig when you put a scope on it.

I bet you friends lever is a .30-30, Not a .30-06.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday July 26, 2019, 05:59:24 PM Eastern

I remember seeing bolt action shotguns back in the day. I thought it kinda pointless. The standard AR15 is sooooooooo deadly that it's not leagal to hunt with in Virginia. The law requires you use a .240 or bigger bullet. So I built two in 6.8spc(.277). I got one of them .308s too, but it's a heavy pig when you put a scope on it.

I bet you friends lever is a .30-30, Not a .30-06.


Yep, I was used to the AR-15 and then got the .308. I wanted something with stopping power and possibly to hunt with (very remote possibly).  308 is kind of big for deer but was sort of covering a bunch of wishes in one gun.
Both are fun, but you damn right about the weight - especially if you start lugging ammo around


I'll ask about the lever action - its been a year since he mentioned it, but I'll find out.  I think he took it to a gun broker guy too, but don't think he has the original box or something...wasn't really worth a whole lot, which is why he asked me if I wanted it.


I almost bought a Henry lever action for fun - just haven't gotten there yet...lots of things on my wish list I don't have yet.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday August 09, 2019, 05:06:32 PM Eastern

I remember seeing bolt action shotguns back in the day. I thought it kinda pointless. The standard AR15 is sooooooooo deadly that it's not leagal to hunt with in Virginia. The law requires you use a .240 or bigger bullet. So I built two in 6.8spc(.277). I got one of them .308s too, but it's a heavy pig when you put a scope on it.

I bet you friends lever is a .30-30, Not a .30-06.


Yep.  .30-.30.  It is a Winchester model 94 "golden spike" commemorative rifle made 1969 on the 100th anniversary of the "golden spike" finalizing the Union Central and Union Pacific railroads meeting and completion in 1869.


His has never been fired, but he does not have the box it came in, so probably not worth all that much.


It would cure my itch for owning a lever action rifle though.  ;D






Went the pistol range today.  Shot both .45 and 9mm.  Good time, but....the last time I went to the range, I appeared to be the highest level of distinguished marksman.  Today....not so much  :snicker:   My target is still dead....just not nearly as pretty.




Man this site is dead.  When does hockey season start?   :yawn:







Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Friday August 09, 2019, 05:37:39 PM Eastern
I think first preseason is Sept. 16 vs the Black Hawks.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday August 09, 2019, 11:17:51 PM Eastern

Yep.  .30-.30.  It is a Winchester model 94 "golden spike" commemorative rifle made 1969 on the 100th anniversary of the "golden spike" finalizing the Union Central and Union Pacific railroads meeting and completion in 1869.


His has never been fired, but he does not have the box it came in, so probably not worth all that much.


It would cure my itch for owning a lever action rifle though.  ;D






Went the pistol range today.  Shot both .45 and 9mm.  Good time, but....the last time I went to the range, I appeared to be the highest level of distinguished marksman.  Today....not so much  :snicker:   My target is still dead....just not nearly as pretty.




Man this site is dead.  When does hockey season start?   :yawn:



Those older Winchesterís hold their value, though Iím not sure why. People want ďthe gun that won the westĒ or some such. Marlin Co. is just as old. A Marlin is a better gun IMO, and far easier to mount a scope on. If you want a historic lever gun get a Spencer or original Henry. Those two predate the civil war.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday August 10, 2019, 12:39:53 PM Eastern



Those older Winchesterís hold their value, though Iím not sure why. People want ďthe gun that won the westĒ or some such. Marlin Co. is just as old. A Marlin is a better gun IMO, and far easier to mount a scope on. If you want a historic lever gun get a Spencer or original Henry. Those two predate the civil war.


Looked at buying a Henry last year.  Just really don't have a use for it....pretty much like most of my other wants  :-|
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday August 12, 2019, 03:06:13 PM Eastern

Looked at buying a Henry last year.  Just really don't have a use for it....pretty much like most of my other wants  :-|


If my purchases were limited to having a use for it Iíd own three guns
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Monday August 12, 2019, 04:05:04 PM Eastern
As I have aged, I try to stay away from gun shows, too much temptation there. But I bought my Henry Golden Boy .22 about nine years ago at Cabelaís. They were having a big gun sale and I got it for $240.00 which was forty dollars off even back then. I think they retail for around $500.00 + now. But some gun shops can do better. Mine was made in the old factory in Brooklyn. But I must say, the action is butter smooth and it is very accurate.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 12, 2019, 07:39:20 PM Eastern

If my purchases were limited to having a use for it Iíd own three guns


Haha, yeah I guess so.


SO what three would those be?

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 12, 2019, 07:56:08 PM Eastern
As I have aged, I try to stay away from gun shows, too much temptation there. But I bought my Henry Golden Boy .22 about nine years ago at Cabelaís. They were having a big gun sale and I got it for $240.00 which was forty dollars off even back then. I think they retail for around $500.00 + now. But some gun shops can do better. Mine was made in the old factory in Brooklyn. But I must say, the action is butter smooth and it is very accurate.


Nice.


I still have my first gun which is a Ruger 10/22.  I have owned it for 40+ years.  I have shot....heck knows...10's of thousands of rounds with it.  I used to be a seriously dead eye shot with it.  It still shoots very true.  Has some scratches on the stock, but mostly in fine condition.


Actually, I still own my first BB gun which is a daisy "lever action" that has my initials stenciled on it by my dad.  It barely shoots, but I can't manage to get rid of it even though it really has no use anymore.  Maybe that's why I long to own a lever action.... :huh:

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Monday August 12, 2019, 08:56:45 PM Eastern
Yes the Ruger 10/22, one of the best.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday August 13, 2019, 01:39:01 AM Eastern

Haha, yeah I guess so.


SO what three would those be?

1 rifle, 1 shotgun and 1 handgun



I was just reading some bookmarks I had forgotten about, thought this one might be of interest

https://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_30-30_lever-actions.html (https://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_30-30_lever-actions.html)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Tuesday August 13, 2019, 07:15:19 AM Eastern
Some very worthwhile information. Personally, I like swivel studs now, on my lever actions that I use for big game. When the Freedom Group bought out Marlin and started making rifles in North Carolina, their fit and finish and function of their model 336 and especially their model 1894 was very poor. It is my understanding that quality has improved now. But if you can get your hands on a used Marlin made in North Haven, Connecticut that is in nice shape, you will not be disappointed.
The Winchester model 1894, made in Japan, is the most expensive of the lot, as noted, but a quality rifle to be sure.
Back in the early 1970ís I hunted deer with a Winchester model Ď94, .32 Winchester Special. It was made in 1963. In those days, bad weather was no deterrent and the thrill of the hunt far outweighed any conditions that today would most likely keep me back by the barn or in the farmhouse drinking coffee.
I had my .32 Winchester Special out on the mountain in a gently falling freezing rain. (sometimes this is one of the best times to still-hunt whitetails, along with a gentle snow) The ice had coated the entire rifle. When I went to wipe it off later, I noticed that the finish was ruined. Later on, I did a half-ass finish repair. I sold it a few years later. A decision that I regret to this day.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday August 13, 2019, 08:55:03 AM Eastern

1 rifle, 1 shotgun and 1 handgun






I was just reading some bookmarks I had forgotten about, thought this one might be of interest


https://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_30-30_lever-actions.html (https://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_30-30_lever-actions.html)


Well I kind of figured 3 guns would be 1 rifle, 1 shotgun, 1 handgun, but was wondering more along the lines of your personal preference in each.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday August 13, 2019, 03:25:57 PM Eastern
When Remington bought Marlin, Remington wasn't really told how worn out the machinery in North Haven was. It was only the craftsmen that were able to make a quality product with worn out equipment. Those craftsmen were not part of the buyout. Still, fitting a piece of wood should have been fairly easy. Any Marlin made before the buyout will have JM stamped on the barrel right at the receiver, any Marlin made after the buyout will have REM stamped on the barrel in the same location, and with a minor Internet search one can find out the year of manufacture by the serial number. The buyout was about 10 years ago, and I would avoid any REM guns from the first five years like the plague, but they are a quality firearm again. Those that know all this search out the JM guns, also, before the buyout there were far more calibers being manufactured. All of mine have a JM stamp
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday August 13, 2019, 03:47:15 PM Eastern

Well I kind of figured 3 guns would be 1 rifle, 1 shotgun, 1 handgun, but was wondering more along the lines of your personal preference in each.


The preference has changed at times. I lean towards semiauto these days because of the shoulder injury, as semi auto doesn't recoil as hard. So, AR in 6.8, Benelli M4, XDm, though I have other options.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday October 18, 2019, 06:39:27 PM Eastern
The very first "gun" I ever had and still have....
c. 1976



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday October 18, 2019, 06:57:53 PM Eastern
is that a Red Ryder :huh:


hard to tell from the cell phone picture  :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: DC_1908 on Saturday October 19, 2019, 05:48:36 PM Eastern
is that a Red Ryder :huh:


hard to tell from the cell phone picture  :snicker:
he may have shot his eye out [size=78%]🤣[/size]
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Sunday October 20, 2019, 02:37:16 AM Eastern
The very first "gun" I ever had and still have....
c. 1976

It looks well used.   8)   As it should be.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday October 21, 2019, 06:51:54 PM Eastern
is that a Red Ryder :huh:


hard to tell from the cell phone picture  :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday October 21, 2019, 07:41:08 PM Eastern



Whoops.


Nope.  It's a Daisy lever action, but not a Red Ryder.  Wooden stock, but a "custom polymer" fore grip.  (aka plastic).  I believe it is very similar to the Red Ryder, based on the description (of the Red), but I can't find any literature or reference to this model anywhere.  I actually have never seen another one like it.  I'm sure my dad bought it at Kmart in Fairfax, VA about 1976
You dump a crap load of bb's through a hole near the "muzzle" and they are held in the outer "barrel" 
jack the lever one time and it loads a bb and you fire.  I could fire off shots really quickly with this sucker.  Could hit a tin can at 100' 96/100 times.  wore blisters on my hands cocking this thing a million times in my lifetime.
cocking the lever action loaded the bb and depressed an air piston (I guess) which fired the bb.  Pretty neat actually.  My friend had a crossman air rifle which was certainly more powerful, but I could get 5 shots off to his one.


I shot it this weekend.  It still functions but not very powerful.  If you've got good eyes, you can see the bb in flight leaving the gun.  I'm not industrious enough to try and rebuild it....or even look for new piston or whatever, but would be nice.


So of course, 1 minute after I posted this, I found it on gunbroker.


Daisy Model 95






Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday October 21, 2019, 07:55:20 PM Eastern
the first challenge is finding parts to rebuild it, Iím guessing the rest would be easy
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: DC_1908 on Saturday January 25, 2020, 09:12:20 AM Eastern
Now Ďdis here looks FUN!! Shotgun w/ Silencer that is all but a machine gun
https://youtu.be/PvZXWmrKbxQ (https://youtu.be/PvZXWmrKbxQ)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday February 08, 2020, 06:02:21 PM Eastern
Not sure if I have posted this before.
My then 10-year old son shooting my Colt M16A3/M4A1.This is not with the .22 LR adapter bolt/mag. This is Lake City NATO high power M855 ammo (3000+ fps).  He holds it like a champ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWMs-IL48a4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWMs-IL48a4)

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Sunday February 09, 2020, 01:34:26 AM Eastern
LMAO    :lmao:   Momma is PISSED!!!!

https://twitter.com/DeepStateExpose/status/1226296688827961344
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Sunday February 09, 2020, 08:49:04 AM Eastern
Now Ďdis here looks FUN!! Shotgun w/ Silencer that is all but a machine gun
https://youtu.be/PvZXWmrKbxQ (https://youtu.be/PvZXWmrKbxQ)


but, but, the gun wasn't silenced...  :-|


I knew I should've bought a coupe Saiga 12 when they first came out. They were cheap, before they were banned their import. I don't understand why either, there are a couple that are still imported that look identical. I wouldn't consider them for serious work that my life depended on, but they are fun range toys. Iraqivet is a good channel, so is Hickok45
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday February 10, 2020, 08:34:45 AM Eastern
Why in the flock...


https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/13/potd-weird-franken-gun-pickup-truck-gun-rack/


this appears to be in the American west/south west
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Monday February 10, 2020, 04:46:10 PM Eastern
Why in the flock...


https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/13/potd-weird-franken-gun-pickup-truck-gun-rack/ (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/13/potd-weird-franken-gun-pickup-truck-gun-rack/)


this appears to be in the American west/south west

Is that capable of firing a shot?  It appears someone took a bunch of parts and welded them together. That grip resembles an MG-42 grip. It has a shotgun feed tube and maybe barrel, and some bastardized stock. There is also no way to feed ammo into that monster unless it was from the feed tube, though not sure how you'd fill it. The ejector port (on the visible side) doesn't appear large enough for a shotgun round to fit through it, so I'm not sure how it would eject a round except maybe if there's another port on the other side.  Unless your point is to make people talk about it I don't see the point in making that monstrosity.


BTW, here's a video of my son many years ago shooting a mounted MG-42.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfg8rPHevh8
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday November 11, 2020, 06:35:20 PM Eastern
Reloading topic moved here....seems appropriate.


Load this...

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday November 11, 2020, 11:27:07 PM Eastern
You rednecks you!  :snicker:  Seriously though, the Henry in the other thread looked good! Would love a 30-30 Lever action.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday November 12, 2020, 03:00:10 PM Eastern
I really like my .30-30(s). The lever gun is a light rifle even with a scope mounted. But the .30-30 isn't my go to lever for deer. As far as lever guns go, I prefer the .308ME, or the .444, or the .35 remington. The .357 and .44 are very effective out of a lever for deer as well. Especially in this region where I've never had to take a shot that was over 100 yards.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday November 12, 2020, 10:34:35 PM Eastern
Yea, I just have a place for the 30-30.. When we we're kids my buddy had a sweet one. It was probably a Winchester. It was butter! I was stuck with my Grandads 410/22 over under. I remember being in the tree stand and hearing my buddy crack off a round. Minute later a little spike buck stumbled onto the trail I was setup on. (He was about done) I put a 410 slug in him anyway.  We we're probably 11 or 12 years old.  :rofl: 
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Friday November 13, 2020, 03:31:11 AM Eastern
Yea, I just have a place for the 30-30.. When we we're kids my buddy had a sweet one. It was probably a Winchester. It was butter! I was stuck with my Grandads 410/22 over under. I remember being in the tree stand and hearing my buddy crack off a round. Minute later a little spike buck stumbled onto the trail I was setup on. (He was about done) I put a 410 slug in him anyway.  We we're probably 11 or 12 years old.  :rofl:
Reading your post made me think of an incident that happened when I was 14.  I was in the fields and woods hunting all day with my three best friends and then we camped out in the woods that night.  About 1am we were suddenly surrounded by three police officers.  We  had a .30-06 rifle, 12g shotgun, .22 Rifle, and a spear gun, all of them loaded. Again we were all age 14.  The cops were 100% cool.  They simply said they were concerned we might be vagrants.  They checked out the guns and told us to have a good night.

A couple years later at my high school just seven miles from the White House I brought my .30-06 rifle to school so I could work on bedding the stock in shop class. I kept in my locker most of the day. Nobody batted an eye seeing me slinging a rifle at school.

This was during the sane America.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Friday November 13, 2020, 09:09:25 AM Eastern
Reading your post made me think of an incident that happened when I was 14. 

This was during the sane America.
Yep. Much simpler, sane times my friend!
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday November 13, 2020, 05:00:49 PM Eastern
I went to high school in fairfax county, there was a handful of us that were 18 our senior year when hunting season started. The school administration knew we hunted in the morning before school started and knew we didn't go back home to drop off the guns. The only questions we ever got asked was is if we got anything and would we share. This was well after MTV started, but when they still played music. My first pickup had a gun rack, and it did get used. I didn't have much choice because stereo components took up the space behind the seat.


Also my senior year, I took shop class. One day I made a wood bowl. Not a food bowl either. I was watching the teacher, he went to the other side of the room to help a kid and it looked like he was gonna be busy for a while. I'm half way done with the thing on the drill press and from over my shoulder I hear the teachers voice. Somewhat quietly he says I didn't know you did that. I said a little bit and that's the last I heard about it. Though the way things are these days that would probably be ok.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9GDh7FoH_g (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9GDh7FoH_g)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Sunday November 15, 2020, 12:20:49 AM Eastern
Rich, as you get more involved with reloading you will start to get different batches of brass. Some that has been reloaded once, twice, and more, even for the same caliber. You want to keep those separated because the brass does wear out. How many times you can reload it varies partly on how hot you reload it. The most I've done is seven reloads, but I'm always towards the top of the scale. If I was putting .38 loads into the .357 brass I might go 8-10 times, but that would be it as the brass gets work hardened and doesn't seal properly anymore or properly hold the bullet. I've seen quite a few revolvers get locked up when a bullet in a different chamber moves from the recoil and won't let the cylinder turn. I buy range brass too, stuff that's swept up at the range. But only for .40 and .45, and I only use it once after a careful examination before loading. Years ago range brass was free, before they figured out they could make money on it for very little effort.

I was just checking inventory on a few things. I've got just under 10K primers and about 3500 pieces of new unused brass of various calibers in stock. Unfortunately I've only got about 4K bullets on hand. But I do have more than enough .30 and .22 caliber ammo for the revolution that the socialist DNC seems to want.

Speaking of which, well over 72 million Americans voted for Trump in 2020. That is just about 10 million more votes than he got against hillary in 2016. These same 72M Americans own a vast majority of what the batfe thinks is 400,000,000 legally owned firearms in circulation in this country. That minor distinction is exactly how the batfe says it.. 400,000,000 legally owned firearms in this country, and according to the batfe, %25 of those are the AR platform. That's a hell of a lot of ARs, and the democrats think they can confiscate all of them, without starting a civil war



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday November 16, 2020, 07:32:10 PM Eastern
Rich, as you get more involved with reloading you will start to get different batches of brass. Some that has been reloaded once, twice, and more, even for the same caliber. You want to keep those separated because the brass does wear out. How many times you can reload it varies partly on how hot you reload it. The most I've done is seven reloads, but I'm always towards the top of the scale. If I was putting .38 loads into the .357 brass I might go 8-10 times, but that would be it as the brass gets work hardened and doesn't seal properly anymore or properly hold the bullet. I've seen quite a few revolvers get locked up when a bullet in a different chamber moves from the recoil and won't let the cylinder turn. I buy range brass too, stuff that's swept up at the range. But only for .40 and .45, and I only use it once after a careful examination before loading. Years ago range brass was free, before they figured out they could make money on it for very little effort.

I was just checking inventory on a few things. I've got just under 10K primers and about 3500 pieces of new unused brass of various calibers in stock. Unfortunately I've only got about 4K bullets on hand. But I do have more than enough .30 and .22 caliber ammo for the revolution that the socialist DNC seems to want.

Speaking of which, well over 72 million Americans voted for Trump in 2020. That is just about 10 million more votes than he got against hillary in 2016. These same 72M Americans own a vast majority of what the batfe thinks is 400,000,000 legally owned firearms in circulation in this country. That minor distinction is exactly how the batfe says it.. 400,000,000 legally owned firearms in this country, and according to the batfe, %25 of those are the AR platform. That's a hell of a lot of ARs, and the democrats think they can confiscate all of them, without starting a civil war


10-4.  I have several different batches of brass....and I DO have them separated (SO FAR).  I only have new brass and mostly once fired.  I had thought maybe 5-6 reuses, but I don't load very hot.  Had not really thought about keeping them separated by multiple firings, but that sounds prudent.  All I have reloaded so far is new (and that's couple hundred rounds .357) and 200 rounds 9mm.  Set up the 9mm dies yesterday.  Tried the Powder thru expander instead of belling separately so I could save a station and install a bullet feed die and still have a lockout die (which I have yet to find).  I am very careful to check every single shell that it has powder.  Missed one with primer thought  :snicker:   I was like...where the F are all these little specs of powder coming from?  Have to say...setting up the little 9mm dies/bullets was bit more painful than the 357.  With the bullet feeder tube...it would work about 4/5 times then not drop a bullet.  I'm moving slowly so not a big deal, but kind of a pain in the butt.  THe powder thru expander...meh.  I never did get hardly any bell on the brass, but with 9mm it didn't seem to matter much.  SO far I am impressed with the Hornady powder drop being VERY consistent.  Once I have it set, I check every 25 rounds or so and it has been spot on perfect (which I imagine it should be)
I bought RCBS dies for the 9mm as it was ALL I could find (and someone else actually found them for me)  I was not as happy with them as I was the Hornady 357 dies, but maybe it was the fact they were 9mm....or maybe it was the PTX I tried which extended the setup time significantly.  Honestly the dies are fine....its the locking ring I don't like...it has a single allen screw in it to tighten against the side of the threads.  Not my favorite.  The Hornady has a locking ring with machine screw that tights across the circumference of the die body which seems better to me.  I guess I could probably order some of those....since the dies are all the same thread/size and just swap the locking ring.
I will say the written instructions on the RCBS dies were a little more detailed than the Hornady instructions.  I mean I watched a ton of videos previously and went back to some when doing my die setup, but if ALL I had was the written instructions....I would have had a problem.  I have to go back and look, but it stated something stupid like..."and once you have the die adjusted"....but did not tell you HOW to do that precisely.

The Lock N Load concept is great and works really well.  I took out my .357 set up and went to 9mm and then after a while setting them up, switched them back to 357 in 5 minutes and rechecked and everything holds true so swapping in and out is very efficient...which is what I was after.  Powder has to be readjusted, but I can actually buy just a metering insert to swap in and out, but then you still have to put in the proper length spacer (or now in my case the powder through expander) which means you'd have to reset the entire powder drop mechanism anyway.  I guess you could buy a separate powder drop for each caliber, but that's getting pricey at about $100 each
So the one thing I find totally asinine is the actually lock n load collets.  They are the collet that has notches that basically snaps in and out of the press and the collets are threaded to hold the various dies.  Great concept and I can use any brand of die but the stupid collets are ROUND with a narrow shoulder on them so when you are trying to snap them in and out there is nothing to grab ahold of.  THey are smooth round narrow shouldered (sounds like a democrat...yuk, yuk).  I mean I guess ONCE you have the dies threaded in and locked in place and tightened down, you can grab ahold of the die body anywhere and just turn the thing out of the press all in one piece, but when you are setting up the dies and you don't have them tight, the things are PIA to grab.  (My gripe is why not put a hex shape (or two flat sides on the smooth round shape) to begin with and then you can get a grip with your fingers.

Oh...got me some 296 powder for the magnums...give me a little bigger bang for when I want it.  I also bought a pound of WST which is really hot/fast powder - going to try that in the 45ACP and 9mm auto rounds....although I have load data for the W231 for both already.
I also bought some 38 special shells (and some lighter bullets) so I'm gonna try those just for fun....never shot any 38 special out of my magnum & Henry.  I found 1000pcs 38 special factory Primed NEW brass for $189 which I thought was pretty good considering the price for primers now (if I could find any)  I'm expecting to be able to drive tacks with the 38 spl loads out of my 6" ruger - that gun is pretty damn accurate.  Although I may have to invest in a new trigger (and a gunsmith) if I really want to shoot with it.  The heavy pull on that thing is a bit ridiculous

Also grabbed 1500 pcs 45 ACP - NEW primed brass for $289 which is about .19 a shell (primed).  I can't hardly even buy the brass for that.  Now it is Speer brass, but these are target/plinking rounds so I won't be loading hot.

Powder and shells and bullets I have been able to find...relatively speaking.  It's the damn primers nobody has.  That's why I bought the primed new brass when I came across it.

Learning & having fun though...which is what I was after.  My wife thinks I'm nuts...."you've been in there tinkering for HOURS with that - Aren't you bored?"  This from a woman who can watch back to back "Twilight" movies she has already seen....multiple times....ALONE!


Lastly....shot my "new to me" Colt 1911 Gold Cup Trophy (45ACP) this weekend.  Pretty damn nice.  Nice solid gun, Wilson combat trigger, mags, etc.  The trigger is light - good speed shooter (like I'm a competition shooter)  :lol: .  If I were flush with funds....I'd have to get one in 9mm just for fun.  Plus I dig the new one out now with the blue (yes blue) grips.  I think it's pretty....well, um...pretty.




Sorry for the diatribe....got carried away.


What is your preferred powder for 9mm and/or .45ACP?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Monday November 16, 2020, 11:18:53 PM Eastern
Ah yes.. Tales from "My 1st Reloading Press by OnceboredRich"  :rofl:  Ok, sounds like it's up and operational.. Lets see it!  :uh-huh: 
I'd show ya mine, but it's embarrassingly covered up on the bench with about a year of dust on the dies.  :'(
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday November 19, 2020, 12:14:32 AM Eastern
Most of my dies are RCBS. They are good dies, except for that damn locking ring. As I run out of those dumb assed brass set screws I replace the locking ring with hornadys.

The double action revolvers don't have safeties like a semi auto. That's why it has a heavy trigger in D/A. Usually the trigger is real sweet if you cock the hammer first. I've got a couple that will fire if just touch them in single action.

I really like my 1911s. But I think you'd be happier with one in 10mm instead of 9mm. I know I am.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday November 19, 2020, 10:14:33 AM Eastern
Ah yes.. Tales from "My 1st Reloading Press by OnceboredRich"  :rofl:  Ok, sounds like it's up and operational.. Lets see it!  :uh-huh: 
I'd show ya mine, but it's embarrassingly covered up on the bench with about a year of dust on the dies.  :'(


Don't you have any stories about making flies or some such for fishing  :snicker:


every now and then I need to clean all the crap off my reloading bench to reload, it's become a do all work bench
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday November 19, 2020, 01:31:34 PM Eastern
Most of my dies are RCBS. They are good dies, except for that damn locking ring. As I run out of those dumb assed brass set screws I replace the locking ring with hornadys.

The double action revolvers don't have safeties like a semi auto. That's why it has a heavy trigger in D/A. Usually the trigger is real sweet if you cock the hammer first. I've got a couple that will fire if just touch them in single action.

I really like my 1911s. But I think you'd be happier with one in 10mm instead of 9mm. I know I am.


I am pretty much done buying any gun stuff for a while.   Overspent this year with all the loading stuff.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday November 19, 2020, 01:32:08 PM Eastern
Colt 1911 Gold Cup Trophy...

.45ACP (this one is mine)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday November 19, 2020, 01:36:31 PM Eastern
The pretty Blue one...(which I don't have)

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday November 19, 2020, 01:38:54 PM Eastern
Most of my dies are RCBS. They are good dies, except for that damn locking ring. As I run out of those dumb assed brass set screws I replace the locking ring with hornadys.

The double action revolvers don't have safeties like a semi auto. That's why it has a heavy trigger in D/A. Usually the trigger is real sweet if you cock the hammer first. I've got a couple that will fire if just touch them in single action.

I really like my 1911s. But I think you'd be happier with one in 10mm instead of 9mm. I know I am.


Sure, sure....you just want me to add one more caliber to my reloading operation  :)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday November 19, 2020, 05:20:50 PM Eastern

Don't you have any stories about making flies or some such for fishing  :snicker:


I got yer fly right chere! :raised-eyebrow: :snicker:


Ok, I found it.. Still ready for some 45 I think.  :raspberry:  That fan is mandatory for keepin my recipe's from blowin away!  :wackysmile:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn1gvRV9/IMG-20201119-172315.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday November 20, 2020, 12:06:26 AM Eastern

Sure, sure....you just want me to add one more caliber to my reloading operation  :)


I'm stocking 28 different calibers. I only reload for about half of those, mostly the hand guns.

I've got 1911s in .45 and 10mm. I bought one for the sole purpose of changing the caliber. I can't decide which though, .460 rowland or .38 super.


Probably end up doing the .38.












or the .460.



there's about 10ish others I'd like to get in lever and bolt gun, a couple more in hand gun, and there's about four more calibers for the AR I want to get
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday November 20, 2020, 05:54:02 PM Eastern

I'm stocking 28 different calibers. I only reload for about half of those, mostly the hand guns.

I've got 1911s in .45 and 10mm. I bought one for the sole purpose of changing the caliber. I can't decide which though, .460 rowland or .38 super.


Probably end up doing the .38.












or the .460.



there's about 10ish others I'd like to get in lever and bolt gun, a couple more in hand gun, and there's about four more calibers for the AR I want to get




Okay...here's a stupid question...10mm sounds kinda nice for a 1911, but where'd you get one?  I mean I only looked at Colt, but they only sell in 10mm in the Delta Elite series.
I did see it (Gold Cup) in 38S, but then I'm like...what's the point.  I realize you get more velocity out of the 38S, but that sounds like a lot (well some) trouble for nothing.
Can you load the 38S with the same 9mm dies?  I would assume the diameter is the same, but you need to adjust for length....and I guess maybe the shellplate (or shell holder) is different?  Or is it?
Not like I'm getting either anytime soon.  I bought the Colt 1911 this year and the Henry .357mag :hearts: [size=78%]....and the reloading press...and bunch of supplies...[/size]
so I'm well over spent for quite a while.
Happy though....been wanting both that Henry and the Colt 1911 for many moons.  That Henry is silk (that's a step up from Mix's "butter").  Well...maybe not on the redneck scale  :snicker:  but it's darn nice to shoot.  I've shot more 357 mag this year since I got the Henry than I have in probably the last 15 years.


So what brand/model is your 10mm 1911?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Friday November 20, 2020, 06:45:23 PM Eastern

I'm stocking 28 different calibers.


Only 28?  ::)



That Henry is silk (that's a step up from Mix's "butter").  Well...maybe not on the redneck scale  :snicker:   

So what brand/model is your 10mm 1911?


You start talkin silk around these parts, someone will pull a gun on ya!  :rofl:


Prolly a Rock Island Armory..  :snicker:  (Wait, that's what mine is)  :wackysmile:  Hey, when ya want a big chrome .45 1911, you get what ya get..  :raspberry:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Saturday November 21, 2020, 03:35:58 PM Eastern
yer both right, I got the RIA when I started making hot 10mm rounds. The first run of Deltaís would crack the frame with standard factory ammo. That was supposedly fixed early, but I donít want to chance it. The 10 has become quite popular the in the last 10 years. There are revolvers made for it, and XD and Block both make guns for it. If I win the lottery Iím going to have a marlin rechambered for it(or two). Once in a while a Bren will pop up on gunbroker too.

Iím not sure about the 9mm dies doing .38 super, but they should as they are both .355Ē. Ruger makes a Blackhawk convertible that shoots 9 and .357. I never understood how they make that work either. The barrel has to be at the bigger diameter.

just realized my AR list went up too, forgot to add the pistol caliber ones I want. Some years ago I found a guy that was milling AR lowers with a mag well that accepted the grease gun magazines. I shouldíve bought several

these are the only two 1911s I have that are wearing the factory grips..
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Saturday November 21, 2020, 11:55:46 PM Eastern

Only 28?  ::)



I know. The friend that taught me to reload probably has about 100 different die sets stacked up on his bench. He doesn't own dies unless he needs them.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday November 22, 2020, 09:49:48 AM Eastern

I know. The friend that taught me to reload probably has about 100 different die sets stacked up on his bench. He doesn't own dies unless he needs them.


 8-0 I think I have 4. Can't even remember if you use .38 for .357 or if it's the same die. Been a minute (and a half) since I did any reloading.. How long does power stay viable? I've got a few cans out there.. It's more than a couple years old.  :-\
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Sunday November 22, 2020, 01:09:18 PM Eastern

 8-0 I think I have 4. Can't even remember if you use .38 for .357 or if it's the same die. Been a minute (and a half) since I did any reloading.. How long does power stay viable? I've got a few cans out there.. It's more than a couple years old.  :-\


Theoretically, as long as the container is kept sealed and stored in a cool dry environmentally controlled place, 50 years easy. There is still some WWII surplus ammo out there that is safe to use and I've got quite a bit of the Greek HXP Vietnam surplus that's still good. If the powder is bad it will smell rancid. You can spread it out on your lawn, the grass will like the nitrogen.


The same die set does .38 special and .357 magnum, Despite the name, they use the same diameter bullet of .357. The same die set does 9mm and .38 super, because they are both .355 and are close enough in case length. The same die set does .44 mag and .44 special(.430 bullet) though I've never shot the special. Even though the same die does both, they are different calibers. You can buy guns that only shoot .38 and .44 special. The same die does the .480 Ruger and .475 Linebaugh, with the .480 being the "special" load, compared to the .475 anyway. But, the same die set does not do .45 Colt and .454 Casul, even though they both use a .452 bullet and I can shoot the colt in the Casul as one is the "special" load and one is the magnum load.


.223 and 5.56 use the same dies and brass. The easiest way to describe the difference is the .223 is the "special" load. The problem comes from being able to chamber either load in either gun. 5.56 is loaded to a higher pressure. It's not usually a problem unles you've left the ammo and rifle out in the summer sun while shooting and the temperature is pushing 100. I've been shooting outside in the summer and after 15 minutes from sitting in the sun the black rifle can be too hot to touch.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday November 23, 2020, 09:05:05 AM Eastern

 8-0 I think I have 4. Can't even remember if you use .38 for .357 or if it's the same die. Been a minute (and a half) since I did any reloading.. How long does power stay viable? I've got a few cans out there.. It's more than a couple years old.  :-\


"Theoretically, as long as the container is kept sealed and stored in a cool dry environmentally controlled place, 50 years easy. "

Well that pretty much sums up Mick's environment.


 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mick's in Florida where it's always cool and dry, and that redneck prolly doesn't even have a lid on the powder and it's in his shed with his weed eater and and fertilizer. :raspberry:


Just teasing Mick.  Me being a newbie, I wondered about storing the powder and it's longevity myself.  I read quite a bit about powder storage and it seems it's pretty durable and much longer lasting than would have thought (under reasonable conditions).  I do plan on storing mine inside....and not like I have an industrial arsenal of the stuff like Alta  (and AJ)





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday November 23, 2020, 09:19:27 AM Eastern

More from "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"....

Used my tumbler for the 1st time yesterday...WOW.  I have some old tarnished shells been saving for couple years.  Much of the 357 brass was 20 years old when it was fired.  Mine is a dry tumbler.  More vibrating than tumbling (and NO Zero I said vibrating not dildos ) but I am amazed at how clean the brass came out.  Looks like brand new shiny brass (I did use some brass polish in the mix...came with the tumbler)


My reloaded ammo now looks newer and prettier than my factory ammo.


Anyone ever dry tumble loaded ammo?  I read a BUNCH of threads on this over the weekend...seems lots of folks do for a short time to clean any case lube off.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday November 23, 2020, 09:29:51 AM Eastern
yea, the people that think it gets humid in this area in the summer have never been to Jacksonville in August. The only thing that made that trip fun was taking the ferry across the river at Mayport to drive out on the beach, without fishing/poles.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Monday November 23, 2020, 09:48:15 AM Eastern

Mick's in Florida where it's always cool and dry, and that redneck prolly doesn't even have a lid on the powder and it's in his shed with his weed eater and fertilizer. :raspberry:


Listen up Yankee! The gun powder has it's own shelf!!  :raspberry: :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday November 23, 2020, 09:49:12 AM Eastern
More from "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"....

Used my tumbler for the 1st time yesterday...WOW.  I have some old tarnished shells been saving for couple years.  Much of the 357 brass was 20 years old when it was fired.  Mine is a dry tumbler.  More vibrating than tumbling (and NO Zero I said vibrating not dildos ) but I am amazed at how clean the brass came out.  Looks like brand new shiny brass (I did use some brass polish in the mix...came with the tumbler)


My reloaded ammo now looks newer and prettier than my factory ammo.


Anyone ever dry tumble loaded ammo?  I read a BUNCH of threads on this over the weekend...seems lots of folks do for a short time to clean any case lube off.


Nope, never tumbled loaded ammo. Seems as safe as using spire points in a lever gun.


 :B:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Monday November 23, 2020, 09:54:04 AM Eastern
My tumbler is another story of dust. I bet it's got a couple dozen pieces of brass still buried in the media.  :-\  I used to gather spent brass at the range like it was going out of style.. Then they wised up and stopped letting us pick it up for free.  :-(
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday November 24, 2020, 01:57:44 PM Eastern
Iíve been thinking about this tumbler thing. It made me think of this video, interesting if youíve never seen it...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c)


With that information I had pondered putting live ammo in a tumbler in the past. But no one would ever advise doing so. Iím amazed itís being openly suggested now. But, if one must, Iíd put the tumbler in a separate room with an extra layer of drywall and on a timer so I didnít have to stand next to it to turn it on and off.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday November 24, 2020, 04:37:17 PM Eastern
Iíve been thinking about this tumbler thing. It made me think of this video, interesting if youíve never seen it...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c)


With that information I had pondered putting live ammo in a tumbler in the past. But no one would ever advise doing so. Iím amazed itís being openly suggested now. But, if one must, Iíd put the tumbler in a separate room with an extra layer of drywall and on a timer so I didnít have to stand next to it to turn it on and off.


Awesome video.  Thanks for posting that.  I have to share that with some folks.  Some of my friend's wives have been worrying about them storing ammo in the house.
I had no idea ammo was that "stable" or that it would not ricochet everywhere on fire or had such little velocity when "fired" outside a gun barrel. And with that video, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to set one off in a tumbler. (especially watching my tumbler run...it just vibrates - doesn't even really "tumble"


It's funny, most of the posts were by long time loaders on snipers forum, High Road, and other gun forums and the consensus was that no way could a round go off in a tumbler.  Many users admitted to tumbling their finished rifle rounds to clean the case lube off and being doing so for decades.  I stumbled across it quite by accident, but many of these discussions were more than a decade old.
Most of the discussion was more about concerns on the effect on accuracy and not any danger of setting off a round in the tumbler.  From the "extensive" tests being professed, tumbling for even multiple hours (some over 24 hours) had no measurable effect on the accuracy (or change in velocity) of the long range ammo tested.
Seems there is some "professional" concern that tumbling live rounds can "break down" the powder inside the cases, but that "worry" seems to be more myth and almost certainly physically impossible (based on physics) with modern powders.  Although the bullet manufactures will warn against it for this very reason, but I'd say that's more to liability and CYA than actual data.
Seems there has never been a documented case of a "case" going off in a vibratory tumbler.


https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2012/10/10/is-tumbling-loaded-ammo-dangerous/



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday November 24, 2020, 05:28:10 PM Eastern

Nope, never tumbled loaded ammo. Seems as safe as using spire points in a lever gun.

<snip>


So....I have made a bunch of 357 Mag loads with 158gr HP.  Should I not shoot these in my Henry Big Boy lever rifle?  (Um....I already have) but I haven't dropped the rifle or anything to jamb the rounds together.  I think it would be quite difficult to fire the primer with the weight of another (or several) rounds bouncing on the primer even with the inertia from the recoil.
I'm not a ballistics guy, but the recoil is pretty light in this gun.
Also the HP are sort of RN HP...I mean it's a standard 158gr HP (xtreme jacketed bullet) but I don't see how one of these is pointy enough to strike the primer of the next round.
I will have to go look at these and see how they contact when lined up like in a tube.

 :huh:
Am I just ignert?  I'm kind of fond of all my fingers...and my eyes...and my GUN



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday November 25, 2020, 10:16:03 AM Eastern
Nope, those 357 HP's are bad news! Send to me and I'll get rid of em' for ya!  :smirk:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday November 25, 2020, 10:20:16 AM Eastern

So....I have made a bunch of 357 Mag loads with 158gr HP.  Should I not shoot these in my Henry Big Boy lever rifle?  (Um....I already have) but I haven't dropped the rifle or anything to jamb the rounds together.  I think it would be quite difficult to fire the primer with the weight of another (or several) rounds bouncing on the primer even with the inertia from the recoil.
I'm not a ballistics guy, but the recoil is pretty light in this gun.
Also the HP are sort of RN HP...I mean it's a standard 158gr HP (xtreme jacketed bullet) but I don't see how one of these is pointy enough to strike the primer of the next round.
I will have to go look at these and see how they contact when lined up like in a tube.

 :huh:
Am I just ignert?  I'm kind of fond of all my fingers...and my eyes...and my GUN


You are supposed to use round nose or flat bullets the tubular magazines, to avoid the possibility of setting off a round under heavy recoil. That's why Leverevolution ammo is so popular. It's got the soft point to avoid any problems but gives much better ballistics.

As far as revolvers go, I've mostly got Ruger Blackhawks, they are built like tanks, hence the "Ruger only" loads. You can make ammo that's safe for the Ruger but not recommend for a lever gun. The calibers I've got a revolver and lever gun in, I will load to the max of the lever gun, just to be safe. It's the basic design of a lever gun that makes the action less durable than other designs. I've got no expierience with Henry's though. You should check at the Henry forum. It's how much powder you stuff in the case, bullet weight doesn't matter. I haven't really settled on a .357 load. I keep going back and forth between 15.7 and 16 grains of 296 with a magnum primer and a 158 XTP. I went as high as 16.5, but decided I didn't gain anything over 16 grains so no point in it.

I pretty much only use XTPs in the hand guns. The exception being when I make .45 auto range loads. Then it's the FMJ round nose. That's one of the places people get problems with the 1911. That gun was designed from day one to use FMJ round nose. It is sensitive to changing the bullet. I've had good luck with the XTP, but every single gun is different. Your results may vary.

Everyone tells you not to exceed published load data, I'm positive that's a lawyer move with about a %40 buffer. When you start reading more about fps and what factory loads are doing, you will notice you need to exceed published load data to achieve the same speed that a lot of factory ammo has. For example, Honady 6.8 SPC 120gr SST. The factory box says it will go 2460 fps. The hornady load book for that bullet says max load gets you 2400 fps. The Honady Suoerformance box of .30-06 180gr SST says the ammo goes 2820 fps, the load book says the max load for that bullet gets you 2750 fps. Point is, you won't kill yourself by exceeding the book data, and sometimes you might have to. Just do so slowly and watch for pressure signs. Also, learn what the over pressure signs are. Ive read a few things that indicate you can be over pressure without flattening a primer.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Sunday November 29, 2020, 02:19:33 PM Eastern
Iíve been thinking about this tumbler thing. It made me think of this video, interesting if youíve never seen it...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c)


With that information I had pondered putting live ammo in a tumbler in the past. But no one would ever advise doing so. Iím amazed itís being openly suggested now. But, if one must, Iíd put the tumbler in a separate room with an extra layer of drywall and on a timer so I didnít have to stand next to it to turn it on and off.

Excellent video.


Why would you need to (dry) tumble your live ammo?  Not stored well?

I use a wet tumbling method that works brilliantly.  A few drops of Dawn dish washing liquid, a tiny pinch of Lemi-Shine (https://www.amazon.com/Lemi-Shine-Dishwater-Detergent-Concentrated/dp/B002NUX8V8)  and warm water in a waterproof rotary tumbler containing stainless steel rods (https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Tumbling-Media-Pins/dp/B077DPQR7M).  Absolutely cleans even old nasty range brass to like new condition and even cleans all the way down to the inside of small pistol primer pockets.  Very gentle too.  I even clean nickel plated cases with no detrimental effect to the plating.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday November 30, 2020, 12:23:54 PM Eastern
cleaning tips from the pros...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5y_dsP3dsM (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5y_dsP3dsM)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday December 08, 2020, 06:11:51 PM Eastern
was just cleaning off the bench and noticed something else that bares mentioning. It's not uncommon for the powder to start sticking to the powder measurer from static electricity. I keep a couple dryer sheets stuffed in mine when not in use and have to physically wipe it down with a sheet as well. I bought a can of static guard on the bench too. I also keep a box of latex gloves on the bench. Cartriges
that I know are going to sit on the shelf for an extended period I will handle with the gloves on. The oil from your hands will tarnish the brass. It's only cosmetic, just depends how bad your OCD is.


forgot I had had a couple hundred pieces of primed .357 in a Tupperware ready to go
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday December 21, 2020, 04:32:59 PM Eastern
shiny new reloads yesterday...



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday December 21, 2020, 04:35:02 PM Eastern
200 rounds 9mm 115 RN
4.8 Gr HP-38
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday December 21, 2020, 04:35:43 PM Eastern
got a few pcs brass prepped for reload....

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday December 21, 2020, 05:48:22 PM Eastern
and yet another rotation in "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"....


I have to say....this aftermarket bullet feeder is THE BOMB!  (Double Alpha Mini Mr. Bullet Feeder)
thing doesn't look like much, but work like a dream - almost zero failures (to drop a bullet properly) and it has six tubes that holds about 17 bullets each (plus about 7-8 additional bullets in the first tube where it aligns on press).


I HAD the Hornady bullet feeder which requires a separate feeder die for each caliber and then bullet tubes (which is a single tube).  I returned all of the ones I had (one for each caliber)


I can load the entire thing in a couple minutes and then it saves quite a bit of time hand placing each bullet.  It is suited for both 357 and 9mm.  (They do make a different ones for .40 and 45)
I think it was about $130 which seemed a bit pricey relatively for what it is, but IT WORKS like a dream and is a time saver.  Once you empty each tube, you simply rotate to the next tube in 2 seconds - no adjustment, no pulling it off the press.  Very simply and effective.  I was hesitant to buy it, but after reading everyone raving about it (who purchased one) I bought one.


The Hornady feeder dies cost about $35 for each die plus another 45 ish for the tubes (which are alum), so for about what I would have paid for 9mm and 357, in the Hornady, I got this and it works really well (only used for 9mm so far)




Still can't find the damn shell plates for .223 and .308 so I have yet to load any rifle ammo  (not that I am in a hurry)


I have loaded the 357 mag and 9mm so far.  Might have to fire up the 45ACP during Christmas break (Ho Ho Ho)




Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday December 21, 2020, 07:25:32 PM Eastern
Rich, what are you loading .223 for? As in what rifle... and why bother for such an inexpensive round
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday December 21, 2020, 07:37:06 PM Eastern
I was fiddling around with stuff on the reloading bench today and almost started loading cases, but it would be many months before I would shoot anything I loaded now. I have a few rounds on hand for any foreseeable contigancy. It's easier to unload components should the need arise than it is a bunch of hand loads.

I just took apart a bunch 10mm hand loads I was given. The brass was giving me problems. I will reuse the bullets in some new brass.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday December 22, 2020, 12:20:15 PM Eastern
It's easier to unload components should the need arise than it is a bunch of hand loads.

I just took apart a bunch 10mm hand loads I was given.


Unloading?  :huh: That's a new one for me! :)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Tuesday December 22, 2020, 02:00:44 PM Eastern
Rich, what are you loading .223 for? As in what rifle... and why bother for such an inexpensive round

Inexpensive?   Have you seen prices lately, and that's if you can find any.  Besides, it's fun.  I do the whole bit, sizing, trimming, annealing, and loading.  I find reloading a Zen experience.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday December 22, 2020, 06:14:37 PM Eastern
Inexpensive?   Have you seen prices lately, and that's if you can find any.  Besides, it's fun.  I do the whole bit, sizing, trimming, annealing, and loading.  I find reloading a Zen experience.


Yes, reloading is relaxing, but, you need to be careful if you keep a bottle opener on the bench  8) .
No, I haven't bought any this year. Haven't needed to. I learnt my lesson after the last three shortages. Normally, outside of a democrat threat to ban something or democrats letting their brain dead followers riot for 5 months straight, .223/5.56 is cheaper than what you can reload it for at home. It's also against law to hunt bambi with it in Virginia. The state says the bullet needs to be .240 or bigger. That's why I got into the 6.8, which is the best round for the AR15 for normal engagement ranges.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/12/20/president-of-four-ammo-companies-addresses-rumors-surrounding-the-ammo-shortage-n2581884
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday December 22, 2020, 08:55:41 PM Eastern
Rich, what are you loading .223 for? As in what rifle... and why bother for such an inexpensive round


Well...little late but in response but basically for fun and because you can't find any. (.223) right now.
I have plenty (well...that there is all relative) but basically I have more than I will shoot in the foreseeable future  (probably more than I have shot in the last 10 years).  I just don't shoot the rifles as much because I don't have a great spot to do so.

I do have most of the parts to reload all five of the calibers I shoot....9mm, 357 mag, 45 acp, .223, .308.  Only thing I am missing are the LNL shell plates for 308 and 223.  Honestly I thought the 308 plate came WITH the press (it used to) but apparently they quit that.  Sadly, I could have bought one for about $29 from Natchez months ago, but by the time I figured out (when my press FINALLY arrived) that I needed one....none were to be had....anywhere.

I was starting with the pistol loads first anyway (357 was the first) then was going to move on to the rifle stuff later.  Honestly, I wasn't even planning on reloading the 9mm for the same reason - so cheap to buy, but good lord that has changed...IF you can find it.  I recently started loading the 9mm because it is what I shoot the most (well used to be) and because I have a buttload of brass for it.

Mostly it was a hobby (which I needed) and I enjoy it like AJ said.  I wanted something that I could spend some time doing, learn something and a worthwhile hobby that produces something I can use... AMMO!!!
My wife thinks I'm nuts, but I do find it relaxing and at least I am DOING something.  I can spend 3-4 hours easy and not feel like I've wasted my time.


I have a Bushmaster AR-15 in the .223/5.56  (bought it 21 years ago)  Don't hunt with it (or hunt at all) but I do have a decent AR-10 for the 308 as well as an inexpensive Ruger All American bolt action in 308 if I decide to hunt some bambi's.  Also have the Henry in 357 mag which is likely what I would go after a whitetail in my neck of the woods.  don't need much range with all the trees at my place.
I would shoot all three of the rifles much more often if I had a convenient and budget friendly place to do so.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday December 22, 2020, 09:58:16 PM Eastern
I wouldn't hesitate to take a deer at 100-125 yards with my pistol caliber lever guns. The same round from a 16" barrel makes that much of a difference.




Although, after I bought my Blackhawk in .480 I found a review for it. The author took it on a pig hunt and harvested one at 150 yards, that's with a 7 1/2" barrel. Then there's he story of Elmer Keith taking a deer at something like 500 yards with a .45 Colt revolver, but that was more the shooter than the gun, and hand loads.

might've been a .44 mag

If you don't know who Elmer is, yous gots some readin to do
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 01, 2021, 01:12:44 PM Eastern
If you don't know who Elmer is, yous gots some readin to do




Yup...

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 01, 2021, 01:41:44 PM Eastern

meanwhile, back in "As Rich's Reloading World Turns...)



MR. Mini bullet feeder works like a champ...


and, new LED press light sure is bright.  I can actually SEE if there's powder in them there shells  :wackysmile:


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday February 01, 2021, 05:08:44 PM Eastern
Its rare that people get a multi stage as a first press, I know it's not recommended but it shouldn't be an issue for people that are mechanically inclined. I'm still using a single stage. It works great, but not if you are doing volume.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 01, 2021, 06:12:48 PM Eastern
Its rare that people get a multi stage as a first press, I know it's not recommended but it shouldn't be an issue for people that are mechanically inclined. I'm still using a single stage. It works great, but not if you are doing volume.


Yep.  Most folks I spoke to recommended against it (including where I bought it) but I went with the progressive anyway.  Knew it is where I would end up an didn't mind the extra learning time to start.  I researched it quite a bit beforehand and watched many reloading press setup videos and reloading videos.  Read a couple basic reloading manuals, etc.  It's really the same as a single stage...only with all 4-5 stages on one platform...and it progresses from one stage to the next.  :wackysmile: Other than that it's the same.


I basically made my decision based on:
 
1) I am relatively competent and hands on.  (Not no way car mechanical by any stretch), but I have operated machinery well enough over the years and assembled/disassembled more than enough things to not be overwhelmed.  I would call my self a hands on craftsman. (you know, like everyone was/had to be back in the day).  If your washing machine broke, you fixed it if you could or waited until you could afford to hire someone.  If you lawnmower belt broke, you got the parts and fixed it.  If your drill burned up the brushes you replaced them....IF they even made replacements for them.  If your used 4-wheeler broke it's drive belt, you figured it out and fixed it (after you watched LOTS of youtube videos)  If something stopped working...you figured out how/if you could fix it and did so.
I'm not designing any new late stage rocket boosters for the next generation space shuttle, but I can follow instructions and assemble something basically mechanical.  (greatest thing about model building as a kid...taught you about parts, following instructions, etc)  NOBODY does that anymore.  Young kids today just want it fixed or replaced by the fix it guy.  If its broken...just get a knew one.  No interest in fixing it on their own or any interest in how something actually works...(sorry side rant started)


2)  I have 5 calibers I wanted to load and wanted something I could easily switch over back and forth (eventually).  So far I've just done 2 calibers (9mm & 357mag)


3)  Time constraint. (this was a big factor)  I decided on the Hornady basically because it met my needs of switching back and forth efficiently and not have to do much resetting (none if your setup is right) and it was a bit more budget friendly than a Dillon.
Not that I am in a hurry to make rounds and be done, but I knew with my schedule/current life demands, etc, I could maybe eek out 1-2 hours on rare occasions and wanted to be able to basically do all in one sitting and actually produce some finished rounds. (assuming all the shell prep is done already).  Couldn't really do just one stage and then leave it sit for a month and come back to it.  (well I could, but didn't want to.)


I had not touched the press since before Christmas and went in yesterday and from very start of filling the powder drop, to loading primers and bullet tubes, etc. to finished rounds, I was done in 1:35 and made 200 9mm rounds.  And that was with a pause to tweak the stage progression.  I move pretty methodically and watch every step for every round.  Check my powder drop (check the powder weight) and OAL every 20-25 rounds or so (just being cautious)  I am amazed at the powder drop.  It has never missed on measuring any round (that I checked)


I am never in a hurry and I move slowly.  I am sure you could pump out 250 rounds/hour if you were experienced and kept it moving.


I don't have a (powder) lockout die (yet) so I eyeball every single round for powder (easy to see the 9mm).  The Hornady press comes with a powder cop (visual marker) but it doesn't stop the press with an error - it's a visual check to watch it so I can just as easily visually check the powder in the shell as watch the indicator on the die.  (Not so true with rifle shells, but I'm not there yet.)


I actually just got an email my RCBS lockout die shipped yesterday (backordered from 6+ months ago).  Still no luck on the two shell plates I need (.308 & .223)  These are the last two things I need to complete my ensemble. (at least until I foolishly buy something in 10mm like some guy (ahem Alta) suggested)


Anyway, that's this weeks chapter in "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 08, 2021, 01:23:36 PM Eastern
And since it's been so popular for others' reading pleasure...


yet another chapter in "As Rich's Reloading World Turns":


Set up for some 38 special yesterday.  I have NEVER shot any 38 special rounds in my 357 Magnum.  Got a bunch (1000) 38 Special pre-primed brass for a bargain price so I jumped on them (a while back).  Bought a box (500) of X-Treme 125GR FP bullets to load them with, as well as already have boxes of 158 RN and 158 HP (which apparently I'm not supposed to use in my lever gun)


Reset the dies for the proper length, powder, etc, etc and off I went.


Pumped out 20 rounds and then went and test fired.  WOW.  These are a dream to shoot.  I mean I figured they would be "friendly" compared to full magnum loads, but Geez, I didn't think it would be THAT friendly.  VERY pleasant to shoot and very accurate (as far as I could tell)  I only shot 20 (okay 18) rounds, but hit the 9" gong (and 7" flapper) every time at 94' distance (I know this because I didn't want to leave my deck and the corner of the deck is 94' to the gongers I have set up.


Wow...these are fun.  No wonder 38 Special was so popular for so long. (Alta is shaking his head and rolling his eyes right about now)


Went ahead and put together couple hundred.  (I like my new hobby)....at least until I run out of primers



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday February 08, 2021, 02:24:41 PM Eastern
hard to tell sometimes through the interwebs, but I thought that comment about using HP in a lever gun was a joke. HPs are ok because they are essentially flat nosed. The big no no is hard spire points. That's why hornady leverevolution is so popular, and works so well. The points are soft so there is no chance of detonating the primer that's sitting on it while in the tube mag of a lever gun.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 08, 2021, 06:17:45 PM Eastern
hard to tell sometimes through the interwebs, but I thought that comment about using HP in a lever gun was a joke. HPs are ok because they are essentially flat nosed. The big no no is hard spire points. That's why hornady leverevolution is so popular, and works so well. The points are soft so there is no chance of detonating the primer that's sitting on it while in the tube mag of a lever gun.


Okay.  That makes sense.  I mean the HP have virtually no contact with the primer.  Regular ole Round Nose rounds would have more direct contact when they are stacked (in a tubular mag)


I have some FP in 125 and 158.  I originally bought the 158 for magnum, but will try them in the 38 spcl loads next.


I did get a small can of 296 powder for real magnum loads, but haven't loaded any yet.  That's pretty low on my list at this point...I have a BUNCH of 357 Magnum factory loads so don't really need more at this point....and no real reason for a real hot loaded round anyway.


Have you experimented with any "light" magnum loads?  The load data I saw for 296 is pretty hot - 1418 fps up to 1591 fps (and 40,700 CUP pressure - Geez)


I know I did some initially with W231 (HP38) and they are pretty mild.
The load data starts at 3.4gr and 796FPS up to 5.0gr and 1109 fps.  I started at 4, then upped to 4.7 and even those were mild.  Also the very first thing I ever loaded back in my infancy days so I went with low end and in a relatively big gun (Ruger GP-100) so as not to blow up any guns or blow off any fingers in my early days...way back.....last year ;D
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 16, 2021, 02:13:35 PM Eastern
Iím bored, might have to use some of this...


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday February 17, 2021, 11:56:23 AM Eastern
Iím bored, might have to use some of this...


Awe - you're just showing off...



Pretty sure you've got more small pistol primers than you need there.  We know you don't shoot anything in small pistol anyway.
You might want to think about selling 2000 or so to a bored board guy you know before they go stale.  (and small pistol Magnum too)
I know just the guy.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday February 19, 2021, 07:04:39 PM Eastern
And now for another chapter in the saga "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"...


Finally installed my RCBS lockout die yesterday.  Received it couple weeks ago after 7 month back order.  It checks the powder in the shell and prevents the press from progressing to the next station if the powder level is not correct (hence lockout die)


Works really well.  Not sure how exactly, but after getting it dialed in, it certainly works.  NO charge or double charge and that sum bitch locks up the press on the ram lift (lever/handle downward) process and will not allow the press to move.


made couple hundred more "sweet" 38 special rounds, 125FP, 4.8gr HP-38.  This is a NICE load.


Now...if only I had some more primers.... :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday February 19, 2021, 11:52:04 PM Eastern
does .38/.357 use small primers? Or large ?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 01:09:56 PM Eastern
I know Iíve mentioned Iíve switched all my handgun reload recipes to magnum primers. I am still working on two recipes, but they use large primers. So I donít think Iíll ever use these regular ones. I went to CCI primers years ago because they burn cleaner than most.


Iíve been looking around a bit, and a box of 1000 primers go for about $30, if you can find them and before shipping. So Rich... I propose a trade :wackysmile: . This box of 1000 CCI 500s for a bottle of whisky, a 1.75L bottle of American Honey which goes for $53 after tax at the local alphabet store.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 01:20:19 PM Eastern
I know Iíve mentioned Iíve switched all my handgun reload recipes to magnum primers. I am still working on two recipes, but they use large primers. So I donít think Iíll ever use these regular ones. I went to CCI primers years ago because they burn cleaner than most.


Iíve been looking around a bit, and a box of 1000 primers go for about $30, if you can find them and before shipping. So Rich... I propose a trade :wackysmile: . This box of 1000 CCI 500s for a bottle of whisky, a 1.75L bottle of American Honey which goes for $53 after tax at the local alphabet store.


Done.  (I sent you a PM before I saw your last post)


let me know how to arrange it.  And to be fair...the price SHOULD be about $30 for 1000 CCI , but it's literally 10x that on GB right now.  Not that I'd want to deal with that hassle for couple hundred bucks to try and sell something.  Now if I had 100,000 primers on hand....I might be tempted.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 01:24:12 PM Eastern
does .38/.357 use small primers? Or large ?


Small Pistol Magnum....well that's what I used. SPM


The 38 goes regular SP....as the lighter load powders are easy to light.  Actually, I used a light load in my 357 (same powder W231 or HP38) so I would think the SP would be fine for that too, but I used SPM
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 01:25:44 PM Eastern
Do you have to get a ATF license to trade whiskey for primers :lol: 8)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 01:28:26 PM Eastern
Do you have to get a ATF license to trade whiskey for primers :lol: 8)


whiskey and gunpowder have been associated with each other before this country was born
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 05:28:56 PM Eastern
Rednecks..  :smirk: :snicker:


 :hearts:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday February 26, 2021, 05:40:18 PM Eastern
Hey rich, do you use large pistol primers? Cause I can make a deal there too, for some CCI 300, for the same reasons as the small primers


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday February 26, 2021, 06:07:01 PM Eastern
Hey rich, do you use large pistol primers? Cause I can make a deal there too, for some CCI 300, for the same reasons as the small primers


You bet.


Colt Gold Cup Trophy says "feed me baby"


and I ALMOST stopped at the alphabet store today.


Have you tried the Honey with the Ghost pepper?  just curious.  Can't figure out if I'd like it.  I like spicy and I like whiskey (although its very rare I drink it), but seems odd to add honey to smooth out the whiskey then spike it with pepper for a kick.  Kind of oxymoronic
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday February 26, 2021, 08:34:51 PM Eastern
The box of CCI 300 is missing a tray, so it's 900 instead of 1000. But just like the 500s, I don't think I'll use anymore of them. Ive got several boxes each of 350 and 550(magnums). I should be good until the shelves are restocked. Between that and this mask bullshit my range time was cut in half this past year anyway. Plus I've got plenty of assembled stuff that will last quite a while.

I know where that tray of 300s went too, .45 auto. 45 +P runs 950-990 fps, standard 45 runs about 830 fps. I made up a bunch that are in between the two. On paper they do about 900 fps with 230 ball, and I like em. They run well out of the Camp 45 too...

Winchester FMJRN 230gr
True Blue 7.7gr
CCI 300
mixed cases(range pickup)

if you aren't running recoil buffers you need to get them




and one of these days I will buy a chronograph
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday February 26, 2021, 08:48:30 PM Eastern
I like spicy food, but ghost peppers aren't food. Proper spice is all about flavor, like good Cajun food. This ghost pepper crap is about inflicting pain
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 01, 2021, 11:09:00 AM Eastern
I like spicy food, but ghost peppers aren't food. Proper spice is all about flavor, like good Cajun food. This ghost pepper crap is about inflicting pain
which is what I didn't understand about putting it in a "mild" whiskey.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 01, 2021, 11:15:44 AM Eastern
Ever use any Accurate Powders?  Accurate #5 specifically.


Came across some at actual reasonable price.  Looks pretty comparable to HP-38 from everything I've read on forums folks seem to be happy with it.  I've been happy with the HP-38 (W231).  Have use it in my 9mm and 38spcl.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 01, 2021, 12:31:41 PM Eastern
The box of CCI 300 is missing a tray, so it's 900 instead of 1000. But just like the 500s, I don't think I'll use anymore of them. Ive got several boxes each of 350 and 550(magnums). I should be good until the shelves are restocked. Between that and this mask bullshit my range time was cut in half this past year anyway. Plus I've got plenty of assembled stuff that will last quite a while.

I know where that tray of 300s went too, .45 auto. 45 +P runs 950-990 fps, standard 45 runs about 830 fps. I made up a bunch that are in between the two. On paper they do about 900 fps with 230 ball, and I like em. They run well out of the Camp 45 too...

if you aren't running recoil buffers you need to get them



I'm definitely a go for those CCI 300 as well.


I have not used recoil buffer...actually had to look it up.  Although I really have not been shooting 45.  I just got the Gold Cup couple months ago and fired it only the one time.  I'm getting ready to start loading for it next probably.


My 1911 is a Gold Cup Trophy, series 80. and I've been reading on forums about the recoil spring.  I think the Trophy models have a lighter spring, but I can't verify that.  I don't know what mine has, but I'm planning on shooting 230 Gr almost exclusively (as I have 1500 bullets at that weight) for reloading plus a stock of several hundred (maybe 700) 230gr factory loads on hand.  I can't find the Colt Trophy factory specs (have not really looked) on what this gun came with.  I bought it used and it was advertised as a "safe queen" that had only been fired a handful of times.  Assuming that's true, the original factory springs should be just fine.


So I actually found in the beginning of the manual that the Gold Cup comes with lighter recoil spring (green end) for shooting lighter SWC loads, as well as a heavier spring for heavier loads - but it does not specify the spring weight of either.  Now I'm going to have to go home and look, but I don't recall seeing another spring in the case.


Should I just get/use a new 18.5# spring?  That appears to be the standard weight spring for 230GR.  I really have not shot but maybe 20-30 rounds through the Gold Cup so I'm a total novice with it.


I have a Sig P320 Compact 45 I bought as my carry gun a few years ago and have shot a several hundred rounds through, but it's a different animal altogether. (although it's not really what I would consider a compact).  It's just slightly smaller than a full size.  It is no longer my carry gun so it doesn't get used as much anymore.





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 01, 2021, 01:26:57 PM Eastern
Well Fuck a Duck.  I should have bought that Accurate #5 when I first saw it.  $170 for 8# jug
Had it in my cart this morning and decided to research it a little and then it was out of stock when I went back to purchase  :raised-eyebrow:


Stupid me.   :poop: :poop: :poop:

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 01, 2021, 07:29:11 PM Eastern
The only Accurate I have used is 2015 for the 6.8spc. I have barely used it though because my current 6.8 load is with IMR 4198.


The best place to find info on what recoil spring to use in that 1911 is either the Colt forum or the 1911 forum. I bought a bunch of different weight springs for mine but really havent played with em. All mine are running 18-22 pound springs, including the 10s. I think 22 is too much though, for both, even with +P. If you are shooting lighter loads you could probably even go #16. Based on what I've gone through, the recoil springs should be changed about every 5000 rounds.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday March 02, 2021, 06:12:32 PM Eastern
also, when this horseshit ends and components become more readily available, you need to get a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Or, if you can find .32-20 brass and bullets, get one now. I bet you'd like that round in a revolver.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday March 03, 2021, 11:18:13 AM Eastern
also, when this horseshit ends and components become more readily available, you need to get a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Or, if you can find .32-20 brass and bullets, get one now. I bet you'd like that round in a revolver.


Interesting.  Do you own one?


I actually never owned or even fired a single action.  My Ruger 357 mag (GP-100, 6" stainless) is DA.  I guess technically it is considered SA/DA, but really if you can pull the trigger without cocking back the hammer and rotate the cylinder to fire then its DA in my book.


I read the SA guns are intended to fire with one hand (like a cowboy on a horse) so the grip is quite a bit different on the SA guns.
I just started shooting my 357 again recently and I used to fire it with 2 hands, but the grip feels so awkward now because I've been shooting autos for the last 15 years.  I need to relearn it anyway, so I guess I'd have to do the same with a new SA.  Now that I've discovered the 38 special, shooting one handed is pretty easy.  Owned the magnum for 30+ years and never fired a 38 special through until this year - and then only because I found a downright bargain on some PRIMED 38 brass.  I bought 1000 rounds of PRIMED 38 Speer Brass for $182.  That's $.18/round for Primed Brass.  I can't even by the brass for that IF I could find it.  (Hell primers are selling for that now- crazy)


I went to the Ruger website and also saw they sell a "convertible" Blackhawk Model.  Comes with two cylinders that swap out without tools so you can fire 9mm or .357 from the same gun - or 45 Colt and 45 Auto.
That's kind of cool in a day an age when ammo is scarce.  If I didn't already own a 357, I'd consider that just for fun.


A Blackhawk in any caliber (other than 357) would be a new round for me so I'd have to find the dies and such....and ammo parts...


But like you said, after this horseshit ends...


I'd like to try a blackhawk, but not sure I really want to shoot a 44 magnum one handed.  My name's not Harry.  The .30 carbine is interesting.  Be interested to know what it's like to shoot it.
Maybe one day with I've got more time and money than I know what to do with


Damn but this is an expensive hobby.  Should have collected butterflies or something instead.





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 03, 2021, 03:54:50 PM Eastern
I got a .30 years ago. Stopped shooting it for a while because the .30 brass would stick in a cylinder every now and then. It got very annoying very quickly, almost sold it. After some research I found guys are using .32-20 brass instead of the .30 to get rid of sticking cases, but that only works on new model Blackhawks. I also went to 125gr bullets for it. The standard is 90 or 110. While researching that I found guys are shooting cast 135 to 150 out of it. I don't like shooting cast, just a personal preference. And one of these days I will send it out to have the barrel cut down to 4 5/8", they are only avalible in 7 1/2.


I have a .45/.45 convertible, I have never used the acp cylinder. The standard Blackhawk grips are ok, unless you are shooting hot .357/.45 colt or .44 mag. Then you want a bisley grip, a little bigger and far more comfortable for the higher powered loads.

both are Super Blackhawk .44mag, top one is the standard Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk grip, bottom is the Bisley grip...
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday March 03, 2021, 07:13:14 PM Eastern
I got a .30 years ago. Stopped shooting it for a while because the .30 brass would stick in a cylinder every now and then. It got very annoying very quickly, almost sold it. After some research I found guys are using .32-20 brass instead of the .30 to get rid of sticking cases, but that only works on new model Blackhawks. I also went to 125gr bullets for it. The standard is 90 or 110. While researching that I found guys are shooting cast 135 to 150 out of it. I don't like shooting cast, just a personal preference. And one of these days I will send it out to have the barrel cut down to 4 5/8", they are only available in 7 1/2.


I have a .45/.45 convertible, I have never used the acp cylinder. The standard Blackhawk grips are ok, unless you are shooting hot .357/.45 colt or .44 mag. Then you want a bisley grip, a little bigger and far more comfortable for the higher powered loads.


So how does the .30 shoot compared to the others?  I don't really like the 7-1/2 barrel ...seems a bit much, plus 4lbs of hand gun is a lot for me wee arms. ;D I do like the sound of the 45 convertible  though.  That might be up my alley.  I have the .45 auto stuff already...just need to add the 45 colt. Damn....might have to get a cowboy lever action too to complete the tri-fecta :wackysmile:


Of course...like YOU said...I probably never even use the .45 auto cylinder.. so why bother.  I have two 45 autos already so just get the cowboy guns and be done with it.  Damn this is an expensive hobby. 


I thought the reloading bench was supposed to SAVE me money  :lol:   (well I didn't really think that...just lets me shoot more...and leads to me wanting more things to shoot with.)


I'll admit I got a little carried away this past year or so.  Added the .357 Henry stainless, progressive reloading bench, Colt .45 1911 Gold Cup, M&P 15-22 (which is very fun), and finally a real shotgun;12ga Mossberg 930 Jerry Miculek Pro


More gun stuff than I've purchased in the last 10 years combined.  I blame it on Covid and the downfall of society  (or more likely just a bit of that middle-aged crisis)


 

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Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 03, 2021, 07:29:05 PM Eastern
technically, the .30 carbine is considered a magnum round in a handgun, but itís weaker than the .38 special. It does have a nice bark to it though. Itís just something different. It was ineffective as hell against the Chinese army in their winter uniforms at Chosin, and that was with a 16Ē barrel.


.32 H&R and .327 federal are both magnum rounds and I wouldn't use them on anything bigger than a ground hog, so don't judge based on just the name
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 08, 2021, 08:24:33 AM Eastern
busy busy bee...



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 08, 2021, 08:33:06 AM Eastern
Time to clean...



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 08, 2021, 08:34:13 AM Eastern
M&P15-22 (.22LR version of an AR)  Fun to shoot....less costly ammo  :)


Ruger 357 Magnum
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 08, 2021, 09:25:17 AM Eastern
if it were me, I would down load .357 brass to .38 levels instead of using only .38s. The cylinders will develop a carbon ring that is difficult to remove and won't let .357 seat properly. Something to think about when it's time to buy new brass.

I like RedHawks/Super Redhawks, good stuff and ruger builds them like tanks. I have at least two on my short list. They were made in .45 colt and .41 magnum. They will make better companions to the lever guns than the Blackhawks.

As far .357 goes, I prefer these...
I know what you're thinking, did he fire 7 shots or only six?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 08, 2021, 09:45:14 AM Eastern
And the bag I keep my gun cleaning stuff in since the late 90's....


since it is relevant to these boards.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 08, 2021, 10:15:10 AM Eastern
if it were me, I would down load .357 brass to .38 levels instead of using only .38s. The cylinders will develop a carbon ring that is difficult to remove and won't let .357 seat properly. Something to think about when it's time to buy new brass.


I like RedHawks/Super Redhawks, good stuff and ruger builds them like tanks. I have at least two on my short list. They were made in .45 colt and .41 magnum. They will make better companions to the lever guns than the Blackhawks.


I have 1000 primed casings for 38 spcl.  After that, I have a bunch of 357 brass.
I actually only bought the 38 spcl because it was ALREADY PRIMED and got it cheap.  Although it is fun for plinking, which is really all I do.


I haven't researched it, but.....loading the 357 cases with lighter loads...how do you calculate the pressures properly?  Actually the 100 or so 357 reloads I've made are really light shooters...they are on the very bottom end of the load data and it was 231 powder so they are pretty baby loads. (1100 FPS)  I have since gotten the 296 powder for the real magnum stuff but haven't loaded any yet.


I'd like a Redhawk in 45 colt, but then I'd like a lot of things and I don't own a .45 lever gun so it's really just a want with no real logic behind it.
Does Ruger still made a Redhawk in .45LC?  I think the only .45 I saw on Ruger site was the Black






Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 08, 2021, 10:25:34 AM Eastern
doesnít look like the .45 colt is a current option, but the .41 is...

https://ruger.com/products/redhawk/models.html (https://ruger.com/products/redhawk/models.html)

I wouldnít hesitate to buy used
...


the only danger in making light loads is going so light that the bullet doesn't leave the barrel. I see nothing wrong with using .38 load data and putting it in a .357 case.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 15, 2021, 12:42:20 PM Eastern
Some 357 lever action fun yesterday.  Light 357 loads.


Giddy up.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 15, 2021, 05:09:49 PM Eastern
if you had a Marlin you could reload it a lot easier

 :wackysmile:


really my only complaint with a Henry, and I think they are
a tad overpriced. You need one of these, though I think it
should be about $400 cheaper, even in today's climate...

https://vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1719087/gonew/1#UNREAD (https://vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1719087/gonew/1#UNREAD)


the more I look, at least $400 cheaper. I paid less than $550
each for JM stamped 1894's in .357 and .44 less than 10
years ago. There is no fukin way an early Remington made
gun is worth twice that.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 15, 2021, 06:52:10 PM Eastern
Yep.  Honestly wanted a Henry so long I finally ordered one last year.  I rally liked the all weather model - not really a big fan of the gold, but did not realize until after ordering that it did not have a side loading gate.  I sort of thought they all did.  When I bought mine the 30-30 and and 45-70 had side gate loading but not the 357 & 44.  I really wanted the 357 because I have a Ruger revolver in 357 and do not (currently) own a 44 or .45LC


Very happy with it though.  It is fun to shoot and pretty accurate.  (Side gate would be a little more fun though.)


I see NOW Henry has discontinued my "Legacy" Big Boy All-weather model and ALL the new models now have a side gate.  Figures....Waited 20 years....should have waited 21.  Meh.


NOW I have an excuse to just go for the .45 and matching Blackhawk  :wackysmile:





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 08:09:17 PM Eastern
Riddle me this Batman...


Had my first squib load this weekend.  Shooting my carry 9mm with reloads I loaded myself.  (I carry it with factory ammo)  I have shot probably 400 of these very 9mm reloads without issue.  This one fired but the bullet stuck in the barrel and the shell stove piped.


I felt it was off (and it didn't hit the steel target and since I NEVER miss  8-0 )
and the shell stove piped on eject so I couldn't fire the next round even if I had tried.  But I did certainly feel it was off so I stopped immediately.


I racked the slide and it ejected the shell and it tried to load the next shell, but the slide could not come all the way forward as the next bullet/shell wouldn't seat.  Dropped the magazine, racked the slide and ejected the new bullet.  Could not see daylight coming in from the barrel (in the slide) so I knew the last bullet was in the barrel.
I disassemble the gun, pulled the barrel and sure enough bright metal jacket shining at me.  It went about 1" down the barrel.


This is Sig P365XL so it has a 4" barrel (okay 3.7" technically)  I took a small wooden dowel and set it in the barrel (front) and basically tapped the dowel on the table (holding the barrel) a few times and the bullet fell out. 

I cleaned the barrel.....inspected it, cleaned it again and re-assembled.  I went back to the same box of ammo and fired the rest (maybe 20) without an issue.  49 of the 50 in this box were fine. 399/400 of this run have been fine.
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Can't see any damage or marring on the bullet.  I took it back into reloading bench and measured it and it seems true.  It is same diameter all way round, not out of round and so uniform I could not find any variation in it except....
This particular bullet measures .010" shorter than several other new bullets I measured from the same box of 500.  (X-treme 9mm 115gr RN copper plated)  I have loaded and fired several hundred of these.
100th of an inch shorter bullet, but when seating the press seats from the top down, so the Overall length would be the same, so the shorter bullet would have an OAL that is the same but basically 1/100" more space inside the shell.  I know more space in the shell leads to LESS pressure, but we're talking 1/100" not 1/10"


These were some of my later reloads on the very top end of the loading data with this powder (HP38) so full loads - not HOT but definitely full loads


So what happened?




It definitely fired, and felt almost normal.  I did not feel a dramatic difference in the "bang" but it was definitely different...maybe just no recoil without the bullet actually leaving the barrel?


There was quite a bit of black carbon on the outside of the "bad" stove-piped shell after I manually ejected it, and there was some black residue on the rear of the bullet...which easily wiped off.


This was very fresh HP38 powder, Win brass, X-treme 115RN bullet, CCI SP (#500)


Any thoughts on what went on here?  I do not have a concentricity measuring tool, but the bullet seems very uniform and rolls evenly on a smooth surface without wobbling.  Only imperfection is the nominal 1/100" shorter than others I measured.


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Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 22, 2021, 08:40:34 PM Eastern
there are only two reasons for a squib, in your case the cartridge was under charged

The other way a squib happens is shooting the wrong caliber cartridge in a gun, i.e.
one with too big a bullet. An example would be a .300 blackout being fired in a .223/5.56 barrel.

and I wouldn't use that bullet again, no matter how pristine it looks. Also good thing you are smart enough to notice
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:01:44 PM Eastern
there are only two reasons for a squib, in your case the cartridge was under charged

The other way a squib happens is shooting the wrong caliber cartridge in a gun, i.e.
one with too big a bullet. An example would be a .300 blackout being fired in a .223/5.56 barrel.

and I wouldn't use that bullet again, no matter how pristine it looks. Also good thing you are smart enough to notice




Hmmm...these loads WERE prior to installation of the RCBS lockout die (which I do like) but also 9mm is EASY to see the charge.  I visually check every one as I am loading
Not that I can't make a mistake, and it is a progressive so stuff is moving, but that surprises me.  A little.


No I tossed the bullet...kept it to measure and then tossed it before I could mix it up with new ones.


forgot to attach the pic before, not that it shows anything.  There was a lot more black on the shell before I picked it up.


Kind of what I thought...regarding reasons for squib load.  Also kind of sucks means it was me.  Hate to think about firing another round down that barrel.  I'm careful, but when you are firing quickly I could see it happening.  I worry more about one of my sons shooting it who don't have 10,000 rounds down range and might not notice until it's too late.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:02:15 PM Eastern
And then there's this.... :huh:


Squib Ė noun. A person who is born to a witch and wizard but do not have magical powers of their own. This is generally the result of mating outside of the witch/wizard bloodline. Argus Filch was born into a magical family but was unable to perform magic himself.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:07:38 PM Eastern
two things tell me it was an under charge, the bullet only going an inch down the barrel thus forcing all the gas out the breach which still wasn't enough to cycle the slide and eject the case...


and it's the only way I know of for all that to happen, not that that means anything
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:17:11 PM Eastern
The .300 blackout never interested me. It's a .223/5.56 case necked up to .308 and trimmed to fit in the magazine. But after learning a .300 will easily chamber in a .223/5.56 I refuse to get one. SAAMI really screwed up approving that one. Example 1 out of far too many you can find on the interwebs...

https://rifleshooter.com/2019/06/kaboom-300-blk-in-5-56-223-ar-15/ (https://rifleshooter.com/2019/06/kaboom-300-blk-in-5-56-223-ar-15/)

What really does interest me is this .308 wildcat based on the 6.8SCP case. That's a bigger parent case than the .223 which means it holds more powder. 6.8 is a .277.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:18:23 PM Eastern
and who is Argus Filch  :huh:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday March 23, 2021, 04:27:21 PM Eastern
The .300 blackout never interested me. It's a .223/5.56 case necked up to .308 and trimmed to fit in the magazine. But after learning a .300 will easily chamber in a .223/5.56 I refuse to get one. SAAMI really screwed up approving that one. Example 1 out of far too many you can find on the interwebs...

https://rifleshooter.com/2019/06/kaboom-300-blk-in-5-56-223-ar-15/ (https://rifleshooter.com/2019/06/kaboom-300-blk-in-5-56-223-ar-15/)

What really does interest me is this .308 wildcat based on the 6.8SCP case. That's a bigger parent case than the .223 which means it holds more powder. 6.8 is a .277.


So I apologize in advance this started as a basic comment and 1 question but then when I started thinking about it...a bunch of questions came up so this is mostly my rambling, but...



Yikes.  You mean you can't force a .300 bullet down a .223 barrel?  Ouch. :huh:


So basically it's a .223 case that the neck is size up to fit a .300 bullet?  But it starts with NEW .300bo case right?  Not like you could take one of your .223 cases and cut it and stretch it?  IT's a "new" bullet/case design but only the case happens to be same outer size as original 223 case?  Is the finished case length the same which means you had to cut the length of the case to allow for a longer bullet?  Or is a a short stubby bullet?...but then that makes no sense either.  THe bullet has to be longer if you want decent ballistics, right?  IF you have a larger/longer bullet then the case length has to be shortened.


And what is the point?  I mean I understand the heavier bullet is more stopping power (but losing some range), but what's the point of starting with .223 case size?  Are we saving money by utilizing existing case size or are we trying to chamber a larger round in the same gun?


And....how the hell does a .300 bullet fit the head space of the 223 rifle?  I would not think it would seat into the barrel well enough to actual chamber and fire.  Is the overall case length shorter than a 223 and the larger 300 bullet tapers enough to just happens to fit/chamber into the barrel?  The more I thought about it....the more I don't see how that's possible.


So then the lower is basically the same on both .223 and .300 and then you swap the upper & barrel?  Or is it just the barrel and that's it?  I'm really not a gun builder (yet) so I'm not that up to speed.  But if the overall case length is relatively the same and the outside case diameter is the same, then you just need a new barrel with proper head space and barrel diameter for the round and leave all else alone?  And if that's the goal; new barrel, new caliber, what about the gas operation of a different round/explosion and the recoil springs etc.  Or is that all taken care of with the barrel?  Or do you need the whole upper? 


And again...what's the point.  If you want a .300 bullet, why not just use the 308.  How much powder can you actually get in the case for .300bo in a shortened 223 case anyway?  I mean if you wanted to hunt deer at close range with it okay, but then...there are plenty of guns already chambered for deer sized game.  Is the 300 just an experiment some gun tinkerers came up with to create a new gun/caliber?


Okay thanks a hell of a lot....now I'm curious as to the why and going to go research the possibility of putting a new caliber upper on an AR...which I'm sure someone has done a million times already.


Thanks buddy.  But my original suspicion is confirmed....I screwed up the loading which resulted in the squib load.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday March 23, 2021, 08:19:23 PM Eastern
The AR15 is smaller and lighter than the AR pattern rifle that shoots the .308 NATO. That's the main reason people want to shoot a bigger bullet out of the AR15, and Virginia is one of a handful of states that requires a .240 or bigger bullet to hunt bambi with. That's the main reason I got into the 6.8. Plus it's just fun playing with different calibers.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday March 25, 2021, 06:35:55 PM Eastern
I saw a very nice looking sharps rifle go at online auction ...last night in Woodstock, VA 
It looked to be in very good condition.  Went for about $4500 I think.  25-06 caliber.  It was pretty.  I know very little about Sharps


I was watching a Marlin 336C  30-30, nice walnut, good condition.  (2007 year model)  Went for $525 which was just a bit rich for me site unseen in online auction.  (plus additional 13% auction fee)  I kind of regret it but I keep reading there's a million of them out there easily available and only worth $350-400 which I find hard to believe


Had I not gone a little over last year in gun/reloading spending I might have chased the Marlin a little more.  I had it as high bidder at $400 for most of the day.  THen the sharks came in with 10 minutes left and bid it up to $525.  One of the reasons I don't like auction sites.


...like I need ANOTHER caliber gun to load for (I don't own a 30-30).  My buddy decided to keep his dad's Henry centennial edition Railroad spike gun and NOT sell it to me last year for our agreed $600.  He took it to a dealer and they told him it was worth $400-$550 without the original box.  It's never been fired and he has no real use or desire for it, but he's afraid his dad might not like him getting rid of it.



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Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday March 25, 2021, 06:52:27 PM Eastern
The Marlin that got away... (No Mick...NOT a fish)


https://laughlinauctions.hibid.com/lot/85579777/marlin-rifle

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Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday March 25, 2021, 06:58:14 PM Eastern
Four boxes of primers sold at that auction yesterday too (separately)


CCI Large Pistol - $140 box (1000)
CCI Small RIfle - $190 box (1000)
Federal SR Match - $170 (1000)
Federal SR Match - $160 (1000)

I bid with them up to $85 and said bye.  Too rich for my blood.  Guess some peeps need them more than I do.
Actually those are cheaper than they've been selling on GunBroker lately, but still.

They also had a nice SIG 226 in .40 S&W  (I'm very fond of the Sigs)  Went for $585 I think.  I didn't even bid, but I really thought about that .40.  ONE MORE caliber I really NEED  :uh-huh:
Looking back, I wish I'd had more time to think about that Marlin....

I'm done buying for a while...Went bonkers last year
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Post by: alta on Thursday March 25, 2021, 07:44:10 PM Eastern
You didn't miss out, but that is about the high side of what a decent Marlin .30-30 should cost, without a scope. The pre safety ones go for a few dollars more, but not much.

Remington bought Marlin in late '06ish. I believe 2007 is the first year of Remlins. I wouldnt buy one unless you can put your hands on it first to check fit & finish and to see if the action is smooth. When Reminton took it over they canned all the Marlin workers and installed their own. To make things worse Marlin didn't tell anyone how worn out all their equipment was, the old Marlin guys were highly skilled rifle builders. The Remington people were parts assemblers that were given worn out tooling and the product showed, though that's not a good excuse for not properly fitting a wood stock. Most of the early Remlins have had the actions smoothed out by now, but not all. Remington fixed most of those problems within two years, having spent a large fortune for new tooling.

The Marlin made rifles have a circled JM stamp on top the barrel where it screws into the receiver, the vast majority on the left side but there are a bunch stamped on the right. I think the factory had a left handed QC guy. The Remiln guns have a circled REP in the same place.

Remington bought everything they could in the early 2000s, overextended themselves, and went bankrupt two years ago. This at time of record firearm and ammo sales. Poor management. Late last year Ruger bought Marlin. Ruger has said they are dedicated to restoring the Marlin brand but it will be at least 12 months before they manufacture any new rifles. Anything new on a dealers rack now is old stock Remington. Word is Ruger received over 100 tractor trailers of Marlin stuff, they need to build a facility to set up production and go through all that inventory.
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Post by: alta on Thursday March 25, 2021, 07:52:40 PM Eastern
I prefer Marlin over Winchester. I think the actions are a lot smoother and I donít like the top eject. For such an iconic rifle I find the action too clunky. Marlin Company is only two years younger than Winchester company.


 all my Marlins are JM stamped
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday March 26, 2021, 10:44:58 AM Eastern
I inquired about a JM stamp on it and never got a response...but it was day of the auction.  I only happened across the auction - friend of mine spotted the primers and told me the day of which is what led me there.  Always liked the Marlins as a kid...never owned one.  Really have no need, but what's need got to do with it?


I "read" anything up to 2009 was still Marlin...so 07 should be okay, but....not like a could see it first hand or really know what I was looking at anyway for that matter.  I really wasn't in the market for another gun...but it caught my attention.


So I looked it up and Remington bought Marlin December 07 and closed the Marlin plant by end of 08 so sounds to me like 09 would certainly be suspect (despite most saying up through 09 is Marlin ok)
Anything 07 would have been made by the Marlin guys and in the Marlin plant, and probably 08 as well.  Not sure how much inventory and parts would be built up but I'd guess an 09 would maybe have the right parts but the wrong hands assembling them (and probably retain the JM stamp if using inventory parts) so I'll keep that in mind





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday March 26, 2021, 11:50:47 AM Eastern
That doesnít mean the first couple years of REP stamped rifles are all junk, but they should be examined hands on before buying one. The other reason I prefer the JM rifles, there are far more caliber choices. Unless someone is shooting cowboy action games, itís damn near impossible to wear out a lever gun, no matter who makes it. Some will have a lot of cosmetic damage from years of hunting, but the internals are what matters most. As Iíve said, I got no problem buying used, and sometimes thatís the only to get what youíre looking for.

I think youíd like a .40. I prefer it over the 9mm. Iíve never been to fond of the 9, always thought it underpowered for a self defense round. Santo John Paul was shot 4 times with one, though there may have been a higher power involved. But, Iíve read the modern 9 is much improved both in power and bullet design/construction. The .40 is also one of the few rounds that isnít 100 years old, literally. Itís a cut down 10mm, because the 10 was deemed to hard to handle for female agents(fbi), and the 10 was introduced in the early Ď80s.

Before my tragic boating accident, I had a CZ 75B and a S&W Shield in .40. Everyone that I let shoot the CZ loved it, being full size and all steel helped though. The Shield I surprisingly thought was easy to control as well, and not the snappy little POS a .380 is. Even the plastic guns like XDm and Block are easy to handle in .40.

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Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 26, 2021, 08:04:07 PM Eastern
Don't know what happened...started this post and it disappeared.  Someone let me know if I put it in a random thread somewhere.


Loaded some 357 Magnum rounds yesterday - 16 gr W296 powder, new Winchester Brass, X-treme158GR RNHP bullets.
Fired a few to test them and they are pretty hot/heavy.  Shoots harder than one of the 2 factory magnum loads compared them to.  Both factory are 158Gr bullets.  THe Sellior Bellot are fairly mid range, but the Magtech boxes I have are as heavy as any 357 mag loads I've seen.  Not sure why that is, but both the flash and recoil are way heavier than any other factory loads I've ever fired.


Question:  Are yuns (who load) roll crimping 357 Mag loads?  I have a progressive press and I seat and crimp in the same station.  I don't have room to do them separately.  (1-resize, 2-expand/powder charge, 3-RCBS Lockout (checks charge), 4-bullet feeder, 5 - seat/crimp)
I believe the taper/crimp die I have is what they call a "modified" crimp which starts as a taper and if you lower down far enough eventually produces a roll crimp.  (I looked up a Hornady setup video and they called it a roll crimp)
I have never had any trouble with any of my 100's of rounds coming loose, but I don't usually load them this heavy.  It is crimped and I tried taking one apart with a bullet puller and had to hammer that thing about 30 times and it still didn't come loose but it did start to eventually move (lengthen) the bullet out from the shell.


Either I have to lose the RCBS lockout (which works great, and I really want in the setup) or I have to lose the bullet feeder in order to seat/crimp separately.  I guess I could do that but don't really want to.  It is so nice and works so well for dropping bullets.


And if my seating/crimping stations is functioning well, why do separately?  (Every forum I've read says they do theirs separately, but then most are NOT using a progressive press either so it sort of makes a little more sense?
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Post by: alta on Monday April 26, 2021, 09:02:57 PM Eastern
From what I've read, people crimp separately but only because they are using a different die, a Lee roll crimp die. Supposed to be the best, but you can't roll crimp a case that spaces on the case mouth. I've always done a heavy crimp, the friend that taught me says it actually improves fps a little. And you've got to put a good crimp on magnum rounds or the bullet will move under recoil. I've seen this lock up revolvers before. I've got RCBS dies mostly, they are set to crimp as hard as possible without deforming the case. Had to burn a few cases to get that set. They got crushed. A couple fire formed out, but a couple were to bad to attempt.


My .357 load is just under 16 grains of 296, but I'm using magnum primers. They do add some oomph to the load.


One of the things that's been on my list of things to get are Lee roll crimp dies.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 27, 2021, 11:16:15 AM Eastern
After firing those 16.0 rounds...I tuned it back to 15.6gr of W296  ;D


I read a bunch of forums yesterday and consensus was light crimp on light loads, but heavy crimp/roll crimp on heavy magnum loads especially with slow burning powder - so you don't get any loosening or gas leakage.  Makes sense.  I haven't seen any issues but I've only fired a few and only loaded 100.  It would be easy enough to get the die and just go back an heavy roll crimp them all.


I am using SPM primers as well.


Really wanting a chronograph now.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 27, 2021, 12:36:56 PM Eastern
a chrono has always been low on my list, it would be easier if I had my own back yard range
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday May 01, 2021, 04:28:31 PM Eastern
'bout time for another episode in "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"...

So...not reloading, but my latest hobby build...came across a super deal on a new Upper for my AR.  I have an older Bushmaster AR-15 (223/5.56) A2 which is the original classic Colt copy with the carry handle.
I wanted something I could play with a variety of optics and maybe grips on a railed (M-lok) type gun.

Very happy with this on a budget.  I have less than $638 in this completed gun with sites, (plus a $90 scope I already had.)
$179 for complete lower (on sale from $379).  $459 complete upper with Bolt carrier, charging handle AND MBUS pop up sites (on sale from $759).  $90 scope  (purchased year ago at gun show for 1/3 price due to a scratch (which I can barely see)  The upper and lower are PSA which I have read lots of positives about and my local gun shop swears by them.  (Note this is a low-mid level gun, not a high end gun)  I can't afford a high end gun and If I can effectively hit my target at 300yds I am happy and a gun 2x-3x the price wouldn't help my aim any  :snicker:
So I ended up with a $1407 "retail" gun for $728 including the scope.    :uh-huh:
I wasn't planning to get the lower - only the upper and swap it in and out on my existing gun, but for the extra $179 (plus tax stamp) for the new lower, I couldn't resist.  Ordered on Monday and had all in my hands Friday.  Couldn't believe it.

PIC attached of the good ole original and the new kid.  I really like the feel of the new kid.  Can tell already I need a different scope.  The eye relief when fully magnified gets me too close to the gun - have to move my head forward.....but I don't really need 12x magnification anyway.  I want a red dot with clear field of view for quick targeting.  But ....I want a lot of things.


REALLY thought about going to a .300 BO or 6.5 Creedmoor, but decided to stay with a caliber I have for simple economics of ammo and loading.  Maybe someday (soon) I can just get a new upper in another caliber.  Nice thing about the .300 BO is I can use my existing mags as well as legally shoot bambi (if I were a mind to)  I do have the Henry .357 good for that should the need arise, and I do also have an AR-10 in .308.  It is a bit beefier with a stainless barrel and a few other upgrades.

NEXT TIME - I am going to build the whole thing from scratch.  Buy all the parts separately and really build the thing.  Already thinking I need at least 3:  the classic A2 with open sights, plus the new kid with A) red dot sites and grab handles for quick target, and B) optics version and bipod for serious range targeting.  (well it's nice to have dreams)

Now if I could just find a reasonable outdoor range with 300+ yd range somewhat nearby.

Man, I'm really starting to sound like a gun nut.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday May 01, 2021, 06:50:39 PM Eastern
Nice! But does it go "bang" every time you pull the trigger? I've shot an AR-15 (.223) and it was butter sweet! But never really trusted all the tinkering you can do with them? I replaced the spring/trigger assembly in a SW 9mm once and it turned it from a confident CCW gun to something that'd fire -almost- all the time.  :snicker:  Trigger felt better tho!  :) :rofl:  Anyway, I've been skeptical on home builds ever since..
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Saturday May 01, 2021, 08:57:36 PM Eastern
That's the good thing about ARs, to put in a quality trigger all you gotta do is pop three pins. Ain't no bubba tinkering needed.  :snicker:


I've changed a few triggers. ARs damn neer can be done blindfolded. I was told 1911s are a pain to work on by lots of people. So I sent one out to smith to have an ambi safety fit. Took him three weeks of actual tinkering and it still wasn't right. I bought another safety and did it my self. It's much better now. I've put triggers in those too. Not a problem. Revolvers are a touch trickier, but not difficult in my opinion.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Saturday May 01, 2021, 09:02:56 PM Eastern
I never could understand how people could spend upwards of $2000 on an AR. So I built a couple, with quality top shelf parts. It would've been cheaper to buy one. Same with $1500 AKs.

But I enjoyed building them. Still have a couple receivers left that I need to build too.

I wish I would've bought more receivers a few years ago, and some 1911 blanks as well.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday May 01, 2021, 11:15:59 PM Eastern
Yea, it was easy to change out the 9mm assembly too.. I've had all my guns apart but I'd never even consider trying to "tune" up a revolver. It was a long time ago, but iirc it was just a spring and firing pin swap. Made it ammo sensitive. I put it back to stock. But once a gun misfires for any reason, I healthy scratch it from the CCW roster. Plus it gives ya another excuse to buy a new gun!  :wackysmile:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Chaos43 on Saturday May 01, 2021, 11:57:16 PM Eastern
How many guns do you guys own?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday May 02, 2021, 09:17:56 AM Eastern
How many guns do you guys own?


 :-X
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Chaos43 on Sunday May 02, 2021, 11:15:41 AM Eastern

 :-X
   Is that too personal of a question?
Things are alot different here especially if you live in a city. We aren't allowed to carry guns on us.
     It's basically for hunting or recreational use.
 I personally don't own any guns and I haven't in over 30 years.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Sunday May 02, 2021, 02:15:59 PM Eastern
Yea, it was easy to change out the 9mm assembly too.. I've had all my guns apart but I'd never even consider trying to "tune" up a revolver. It was a long time ago, but iirc it was just a spring and firing pin swap. Made it ammo sensitive. I put it back to stock. But once a gun misfires for any reason, I healthy scratch it from the CCW roster. Plus it gives ya another excuse to buy a new gun!  :wackysmile:


If you put the trigger back to stock and prove its reliability at the range I would rely on it. I've got a revolver I bought used that was acting up. Every once in awhile the pawl wouldn't lock the cylinder in firing position. I had a smith look at it. He couldn't duplicate what was happening to me. So I took it apart. A spring was gummed up, but I had to completely disassemble it to get at that one spring, which explains why it was gummed up. It's been flawless since, and I'd trust my life with it if need be.


Very few people will admit online how much of what they own. Liberals have proven to target people that do out of spite. There've actually been a few people killed because cops were called on an innocent person. The term is swatting.


That and democrats have proven they can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday May 02, 2021, 06:48:22 PM Eastern

If you put the trigger back to stock and prove its reliability at the range I would rely on it.



I would too, if I had to. Gun is too big to comfortable CCW anyway. Like I said, it was a good excuse to spend some more money! You ever removed/installed the rebound & rebound slide spring in a Smith & Wesson revolver? That's always fun!  :wackysmile:


   Is that too personal of a question?


Couple years ago I wouldn't of gave a shit. These days ya never know. As far as this thread is concerned, I own 1.  :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Sunday May 02, 2021, 07:10:22 PM Eastern

I would too, if I had to. Gun is too big to comfortable CCW anyway. Like I said, it was a good excuse to spend some more money! You ever removed/installed the rebound & rebound slide spring in a Smith & Wesson revolver? That's always fun!  :wackysmile:




Yep, the one I just described with the gummed up spring was a smith, .357, 7 shot
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday May 02, 2021, 07:23:55 PM Eastern

Yep, the one I just described with the gummed up spring was a smith, .357, 7 shot
Cool! Luckily when I first got into guns I had an old one to tinker with. Learned real quick you need the right tools if you're gonna open them things up!
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Chaos43 on Sunday May 02, 2021, 07:30:42 PM Eastern
    Sounds like everyone down there is scared and on edge.
I have just recently got in contact with an old friend of my that lives in Colorado. He says everyone is on edge there and you have to be careful what you say around certain people. For political reasons.
     
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Post by: alta on Sunday May 02, 2021, 08:18:07 PM Eastern
We aren't on edge and scared. We are highly concerned, and oddly enough, it's the violent left in this country that everyone is concerned with.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Chaos43 on Sunday May 02, 2021, 08:29:49 PM Eastern
We aren't on edge and scared. We are highly concerned, and oddly enough, it's the violent left in this country that everyone is concerned with.
    Yes concerned is probably a better word. And yes my friend says the same thing.
Glad we aren't dealing with that stuff here. But we have our own problems.
    And your new president didn't get off to a very good start in relations with Canada.
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Post by: richkrt99 on Monday May 03, 2021, 05:48:10 PM Eastern
    Yes concerned is probably a better word. And yes my friend says the same thing.
Glad we aren't dealing with that stuff here. But we have our own problems.
    And your new president didn't get off to a very good start in relations with Canada.


As far as the board goes...I only carry one gun (at a time)  :wackysmile:


I have a few, but mostly I am a hobbyist/shooter, and not really a nut (and there are plenty).  Shooting is something I really enjoy.  I don't hunt, but I am not against it.  I somewhat recently got into reloading my own ammo, which has increased my interest in learning more about all of it.  I guess I am a hands on tinkerer, and I enjoy the hobby so....  I have several different types of guns which all serve different purposes...most all are more hobby than anything.


and as far as the "new president" goes....I'd say most of the folks on this board were not really expecting a good start (middle, end) from him on any matters so....sorry Canada (and the entire rest of the world)

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday May 03, 2021, 06:05:02 PM Eastern
Nice! But does it go "bang" every time you pull the trigger? I've shot an AR-15 (.223) and it was butter sweet! But never really trusted all the tinkering you can do with them? I replaced the spring/trigger assembly in a SW 9mm once and it turned it from a confident CCW gun to something that'd fire -almost- all the time.  :snicker:  Trigger felt better tho!  :) :rofl:  Anyway, I've been skeptical on home builds ever since..


Goes bang every time!  I put 150 rounds through it yesterday (finally had a day before darkness).  Took about 30 rounds to get the scope sighted in and man....can't believe how accurate these things are.  So much fun to hit what you're aiming at.  Sadly I realized yesterday my ammo can of .223 only had wasn't full and only had 270 rounds in it  :'(


I was only shooting at +/- 50yds but with the scope at 4x you can easily put 10 shots in a 1" square and I am not a great shooter.
I can tell already I need to do something with the scope....It's functional, but can't use the flip up sights with the scope mounted.  Not sure I want to get the scope up high enough to be able to co-witness, but think that might be the ticket.  Either that or just make it a target scope gun, but what's the fun in that?


And....I didn't really build anything...I just assembled completed parts.  Next time though...I'm really starting from ground up.  Just not knowledgeable enough yet to know what I really want or what's good parts vs bad.


I'm thinking I want to build a competition quality rifle but not sure I can afford that.  I would like to get good at 300-500 yards range.  Not really serious (or wealthy) enough to go hang with the 1000yd crowd.


Funny how the new gun parts came in at the same time my wife was visiting her folks in FLA  8)
She already gives me a hard time every time she walks into the reloading room...."Every time I come in here there is a new box of something"  Naw, honey, I just move them around a lot.  ;)
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Post by: alta on Monday May 03, 2021, 09:37:12 PM Eastern
the co witness thing is overrated for the civilian world, especially if you are using a regular scope that doesn't need batteries. The only time I've done it is with a powered red dot. The theory is to back up the electronics when you are storming a beach.


and, if you buy one of today's high quality red dots for light civilian use it will outlast you, quite possibly the battery as well
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday May 03, 2021, 11:40:53 PM Eastern

Goes bang every time!  I put 150 rounds through it yesterday (finally had a day before darkness).  Took about 30 rounds to get the scope sighted in and man....can't believe how accurate these things are.  So much fun to hit what you're aiming at.  Sadly I realized yesterday my ammo can of .223 only had wasn't full and only had 270 rounds in it  :'(

I was only shooting at +/- 50yds but with the scope at 4x you can easily put 10 shots in a 1" square and I am not a great shooter.
I can tell already I need to do something with the scope....It's functional, but can't use the flip up sights with the scope mounted.  Not sure I want to get the scope up high enough to be able to co-witness, but think that might be the ticket.  Either that or just make it a target scope gun, but what's the fun in that?

And....I didn't really build anything...I just assembled completed parts.  Next time though...I'm really starting from ground up.  Just not knowledgeable enough yet to know what I really want or what's good parts vs bad.

I'm thinking I want to build a competition quality rifle but not sure I can afford that.  I would like to get good at 300-500 yards range.  Not really serious (or wealthy) enough to go hang with the 1000yd crowd.

Funny how the new gun parts came in at the same time my wife was visiting her folks in FLA  8)
She already gives me a hard time every time she walks into the reloading room...."Every time I come in here there is a new box of something"  Naw, honey, I just move them around a lot.  ;)


The first one I built I thought I was going to do bench rest/target/competition with. So I put a 24" bull barrel on it. It was a tack driver. But damn was it heavy, and I never got to use it for the intended roll. I put a 20" thinner profile barrel on it, it's still a tack driver, and still heavy. I wish I would've went to 18". 18" is plenty for .223 at under 500 yards. You'd be amazed at what distances .223/5.56 is lethal at in trained hands. I have no need/interest in shooting that far. For an all around under 500 yard rifle, which includes legally hunting in this state, you really can't beat 6.8spc. The 6.8 and 6.5G are almost equal under 500 yards. Where a 6.5 really shines is over 500 yards, well over. That's target shooting range. No one hunts at those distances, there are too many variables. The .300 whisper was revived for the AR and renamed the blackout. It's best use is suppressed subsonic. I'm not impressed enough with it to get one. I've built 6.8 in 20" and 16". You've gotta be real good to notice a difference between them at range. If you build you do need a couple special tools. After you build one you will have the disease so the tools will come in handy. Since you are going to build with quality parts, the only difference between a compition rifle and non compition rifle is the barrel, and even that is questionable. A good AR barrel will cost between $200 and $500, depending on features desired. The real difference is going to be the user. If the primary consideration is bench rest type compition, I'd go 18-20" depending on barrel profile.

The original AR was made with a 20" barrel in 1956(and marketed to civilians in semi auto only from day one). I don't think the military went to a shorter barrel until about 1980ish. The version the troops use today has a 14.5" barrel, special forces have been known use a 10" with suppressor, depends on the mission.

Quantico has a range civilians can use. I think you have to join a club and it's either 500 or 1000 yards, that's the only reason I would've been looking at that option. The only other 1000 yard option around here that I know of is Peacemaker National in WV kinda close to Winchester.

You could always buy a non breach loading cannon and go shoot at Ft Shenandoah with the N-SSA. We all know you can afford it. I don't have any interest in muzzle loaders but almost bought one after watching a couple matches out there.


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday May 10, 2021, 08:08:23 PM Eastern
Got me some SR primers on the way.  Paid too much, but worked hard at GB.
5000 SR for $377. (plus $32 shipping)  That's about 8 cents a piece.  About twice what they should be but I have not found ANY SR on store shelves this past year.  Bought 1000 at the CHantilly Gun show (early October I think) for $40 but all they had, and I haven't seen any since.  I'm not a big fan of the gun shows.


STILL WAITING on my shell plate for my progressive press for .223.  (Hornady shell plate #16).  I did finally find it "in stock" at MidSouth Shooters Supply, and purchased about 12 days ago, but it still has yet to ship  >:( .  They said shipping was approx 6-10 days backed up to ship, but we are on day 12.  Meh - not that big a hurry, been looking for one for so long was shocked I actually found one in stock.  Just hope they don't ship it to someone else before they get my order filled.


HAH!  literally got a UPS ship notifications while I was whining about this...should arrive Wednesday.  :)


Now....I just need that elusive Hornady progressive shell plate #1 to reload .308 Win.  Haven't been able to find that for a year.  Ticks me off only in that the progressive press USED to come with this #1 plate and when I ordered my press there were plenty to be had, but by the time I received my press (Aug 2020) they was all but gone.  Been looking ever since and yet to find one. 







Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday May 10, 2021, 09:04:09 PM Eastern

BY the way....and more importantly for any gun enthusiast such as myself...




Joe Biden and his ATF thugs are trying to redefine what firearms and parts are....basically trying to make it harder or altogether ILLEGAL to build your own firearm.


Big ATF dump late FRIDAY (so as not to be in the news) with lots of changes.  I have always been a law abiding, tax paying citizen and have never broken, much less been charged or convicted of breaking any law.  I have complied with all laws including gun laws, have never been done anything illegal or remotely skirted any gun law.  However, I have legally purchased gun "parts" in my home that if the proposed regulations go through (again Regulation and not a LAW passed by congress), then I will post factly be a criminal who has committed a felony simply by owning parts of guns that were completed legal prior to these new "Regulations".  I never considered myself a big 2nd Amendment guy, but the shit is getting real.  I am the most stable and down to earth person that I know, yet I DO like my gun hobby.  Joe Biden is trying to turn me into a felon without me ever doing anything that was illegal.  WTF?  I can't have a hobby because you fucking fascists don't know how to define what a gun frame or receiver or slide is?
And they are not doing this through LAW passed by congress, but rather just a "regulation" which they can blindly issue without congressional review.  (sounds very constitutional)


And....WTF difference does it make?  You think a CRIMINAL is going to care what protocol to follow for filing the proper paperwork when mayhem is on his mind?  Like the paperwork is what is stopping him from committing heinous crimes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqG-c03QTE
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday May 11, 2021, 02:58:25 PM Eastern
the only gun related law that has been enacted in my lifetime that could be argued has made a difference is the NICS, even the DOJ/FBI admitted the Clinton "assault weapon" ban had no measurable effect on crime


none of these anti Bill of Rights communists have ever filled out a 4473
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday May 11, 2021, 10:27:44 PM Eastern
Rich, before you dive in and build your own, you should read a bit at M4C and arfcom in the builds/technical areas. I researched a good six months before I built my 1st. Not much has changed since then. I will never build one with carbine length gas unless it's a 10" barrel. I'd go mid length at a minimum. It beats up the rifle less, which beats on you less. It also extends the life of components, which admittedly isn't that big of a deal if you aren't shooting 10,000 rounds a year with it.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday May 12, 2021, 07:54:16 PM Eastern
I've done some reading and researching and watching of other's builds (internet not first hand).  I'm on hold with anything new now anyways.  I've spent so much the last two years on the new reloading stuff.....AP Press, dies, powder measures, plates. brass, bullets, powder, PRIMERS!!!, etc. etc.  I have a spreadsheet of every nickel I've spent and I'm at $4600.  Sounds like a lot, but I have materials and such for thousands of rounds of six different calibers.  I bought frugally where I could with a lot of clean once fired brass and bought the whole stock of a guy selling out for other interests (lots of shells, bullets for .45, 9mm, .223)
I splurged on the recent upper & lower only cause they were super cheap on sale and I wanted a different upper to experiment with optics on (my A2 has carry handle) so...



Everything I have purchased is mid-length and that's where I will stay.  I am not really interested in the SBR or AR pistols.  And I love to shoot, but I'm not up to a competition guy so it will take me years to shoot 10,000 rounds.  Love to, but time and money...and time.



Anyway - I have every component I need except for the Hornady AP shell plate #1 (.308 Win).  It's a damn $26-29 part and I haven't been able to get one for 18 months.  I'm on everyone's wait and email list.  I saw some asswipe vendor on Amazon had it "in stock" and selling it for $159.  I hope buyers remember these jackwagons when shit normalizes again and never buy anything from them again (ahem....Cheaper than Dirt, cough, cough)

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday May 12, 2021, 08:19:22 PM Eastern
So I have a new problem/question...  How the hell do you get an old flash hider off?  I have a c. 1999 AR-15 (Bushmaster .223).  It's 22 years old and had some rounds through it and sits in a safe a lot, but I tried to get the old one off recently and could not.  I used a wrench and held the gun between my legs (very technical I know), but I could not budge it.  I've inspected very carefully and it is not pinned/welded.  I have not tried it in the vice yet (need to make/get a vice block for the barrel), but everything I've read or watched says it aint that hard.  I even heated up the barrel (with 120 quick rounds thru it) :wackysmile: and still can't move it.


I watched some nimrod teenager put his rifle in a vice holding only the handguard and then heating with a blow torch and then using a wrench but all the torque he is applying is going up the barrel as the rifle is only secured by the hand guard.


Couple forums suggested maybe it's left hand threaded, and I never thought of that, but I would not think it would be.  And 95% of everyone says it's regular RH threads.


After watching another 8 videos....looks like I need to just go make the vice/barrel block.


I've busted some stuck bolts loose before (try removing the nut on the bottom of a bush hog spindle) and I really didn't think this would be that difficult.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday May 12, 2021, 08:41:55 PM Eastern
Some flash hiders were factory installed with a product called rockset. If it was its gotta be soaked in hot water if I remember correctly for it to release. They shouldn't take that much torque to remove and I know of no American rifles that have reverse muzzle threads, like AKs have.


All else fails ask at m4c


and yea, really should use a barrel block with resin. I don't have one, and I think I've been lucky so far
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: DC_1908 on Thursday May 13, 2021, 05:46:25 AM Eastern
Well, if anything falls under the category of "worth a few grand to put in a glass case and never use", this sure as hell does


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1QjOnfWEAEQO4Y?format=jpg&name=small)


https://www.americaremembers.com/product/john-wayne-tribute-rifle/ (https://www.americaremembers.com/product/john-wayne-tribute-rifle/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1QjQd_XoAAmC72?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1QjQd_XoAAmC72?format=jpg&name=600x600)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday May 17, 2021, 07:06:05 PM Eastern
Hey Alta...


I want to get a 9mm rifle (16" carbine) upper and use on one of my AR lowers (with a magwell adapter).  Do I need to adjust springs or buffer or anything?
Or just get a dedicated 9mm lower?  I am on a budget, but also don't want to tear anything up or have malfunctions.  If I have to do much mod to the AR15 lower, then I can't use it for the AR so it's not so much worth it.


Trying to get a 9mm rifle gun on the cheap.  I'd buy a Ruger PC-9 but they pricey.  MSRP $799, prolly get one for maybe $700 IF YOU COULD FIND ONE.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday May 17, 2021, 08:39:40 PM Eastern
The new ruger PCs are great in the way you can change the magwell to accept glock mags. I won't get one unless they make it non take down. The older PCs are great, but they only take ruger mags.


The AR lower needs a different weight buffer to shoot pistol ammo, and I assume a different weight buffer spring. All else remains the same. But those parts are cheap, when in stock. Years ago I found a guy that was making AR lowers with special mag wells that took m3 grease gun mags. I should've bought multiple.


In modern times, the M3 grease gun has been referred to as the poor mans class III gun. Hella fun though.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday May 24, 2021, 05:05:58 PM Eastern
 :b:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday May 24, 2021, 11:34:17 PM Eastern
:b:


under the tacticool stock it looks like a Ruger
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday June 07, 2021, 08:12:11 PM Eastern
Well it's been a while so...


another day in the saga "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"...


forgot to take pics, but made some 5.56 ammo yesterday and last weekend.  (Finally got the Hornady #16 shell plate couple weeks ago).  I am now 100% complete on everything I need to load all the calibers I "currently" own.


Tested two loads with two different powders  (IMR-4064, H4198).  Didn't see a difference in performance, but just plinking and no accuracy test, and no chrono.
Ran my hopper dry of powder without noticing  ::) and had to go back and check every one of the last 100 rounds.  Turns out only about 12 were empty.  I am used to loading 9mm so 5 grains goes a lot farther than 22g at a time.  I actually went back and weighed every single round and surprisingly all were within a couple grains (except those missing the powder)  I am using once-fired, mixed head stamp brass so not all the brass weighs exactly the same, but close.  (I did measure and trim these prior to loading)


Still haven't blown anything up so....so far so good  :)


3342 bullets rounds made thus far and counting... ;D (fookin redneck)


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday June 07, 2021, 08:52:59 PM Eastern
wait until you finally get a desert eagle, the .50AE takes 33 grains per round, 296 with magnum primers


mine do anyway
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday June 26, 2021, 03:21:28 PM Eastern
Good Lord...don't nunya rednecks shoot in the summer?


couple toy mods for you....


Ruger PC-carbine (9mm) with added hand stop on hand guard (I actually like this a lot)  Good grip assist without being bulky or in the way (you know....since I have little princess Cinderella hands)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday June 26, 2021, 03:25:45 PM Eastern
and the Ruger with the ridiculous 32 round mag...

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday June 26, 2021, 03:31:39 PM Eastern
and don't forget the new Ft Smith 20 Gauge knock off.  Just picked this up yesterday.


Turkish made, and the finish is not what I'd call top shelf, but got this BRAND NEW in the box for $131 auction.  Didn't really expect to win it, but did.


I did not own a 20 ga.  This pump holds 7+1 3" shells.  Cycles really smooth.  Have not fired it yet.  Got to get some 20ga shells.  probably cost more for 100 shells than it did for the damn gun.


Someone around here got to be the honorable redneck and get another gun this year.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Saturday June 26, 2021, 06:09:08 PM Eastern
I havenít bought a gun since Virginia changed the law last year that basically eliminated private sales.


not that it matters, you gotta double my age to get the number of things in my safes. Which also means I canít possibly shoot everything Iíve got in a year. A range session is several things I need to stay proficient with, then several other favorites, then maybe there is space and time for other things. Then thereís cleaning everything ...
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday July 10, 2021, 03:01:59 PM Eastern
Where da fook are all the rednecks on this site?


So.....since I went bonkers with reloading stuff this year (and a couple extra rifles), I can't justify another gun purchase this year


BUT.....


I have three sons with Birthday's in July (ages 20, 20, 18) so I got the bright idea I could feed my habit by building them each their OWN AR rifle  :)


Palmetto State Armory is now my favorite supplier.  If you have not used them check them out...their ownership has the proper mindset and they offer so much stuff in a variety of ways (partially built, completely built, just parts, etc).  I have now "built" 2 AR's using their parts and they are fabulous.  Great fit and finish, no problems, no rattle, and dirt cheap.  The first was actually just a completed upper (wanted to swap out on my original A2 handle AR to play with optics on a railed version).  Liked it so much I bought another upper and lower build kit and stripped lower.  loved it so much, and actually enjoyed doing it.....I wanted to do again.


I really like the M-lock railed upper.  It is a fairly narrow rail so easier to grip with my girly hands, plus it makes it easy to mount just about anything/everything you want to.
I have an original A2 style AR (with the carry handle, round foregrip, fixed stock) and I wanted to experiment with optics and other add ons utilizing a railed upper


So...PSA is so friggin awesome, I discovered they sell "blemished" parts which I have now purchase 5 of and on only one could I even find the blemish and it was inside the stripped lower (just a bit uneven finish on the inside - which nobody will EVER see unless they take apart the rifle.)


I have now "perfected" the purchase to a blemished completed upper and lower build kit for $399 paired with a blemished stripped lower for $79.  That's a $478 complete rifle (after assembly) with MBUS pop up sites, M-lok railed upper, Magpul MOE lower kit (buffer tube, handle, stock, etc).  I added a SigRomeo 5 red dot with shake-awake (which is awesome) for $129


This rifle cost me $478 to build, but it is a far better shooter than my original A2.  I'd say it is a mid-level AR product but at a very budget price for what you are getting.  If you want upgrades, PSA offers just about anything - heavier barrels, varied lengths, upgraded triggers, etc.  I was not really that big an AR junkie, but after putting a couple together.....I WILL be doing it again...and again...
Plus PSA makes most of their own stuff...they have grown exponentially over the years by providing quality products at fair (cheap) prices.  Their goal is to do exactly that...provide freedom to as many Americans as possible by providing these products at budget prices.  Plus they make a variety of receivers with different "messages" on them.
check out the link to their philosophy...
https://palmettostatearmory.com/about-psa.html#:~:text=Since%20its%20inception%2C%20Palmetto%20State,freedom%20before%20profit%20remains%20unwavering (https://palmettostatearmory.com/about-psa.html#:~:text=Since%20its%20inception%2C%20Palmetto%20State,freedom%20before%20profit%20remains%20unwavering)


Don't have all the parts yet, but building one in ODG, and FDE finishes for two of the boys so they can tell them apart.


I ran into a problem though......Now I need another damn safe to store all these toys. Such problems to have  :uh-huh:


That, and I will never keep up with the ammo needs for all these.


Pics attached of the "liberty" stripped lower.  It says "LIBERTY-15" with a liberty bell and "skull" logo and the serial number is "ORDEATH-0000".  The selector switch (safety) is labeled "WE    THE    PEOPLE" They also offer a Virginia lower with the Virginia seal (modified) on it as well as many others.


I bought mine as a kit to build...because I wanted to, but you can buy a completed lower for $149 and a completed upper for $399 and just snap the two together in 30 seconds and have a complete rifle.  PSA also does sell completed rifles, but if you shop around and wait for them on sale, you can get a very good quality AR for $550


sorry for the long post....but nunya other rednecks are posting anything here.....apparently all too busy watching cars turn left.  :raspberry:


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Saturday July 10, 2021, 04:24:22 PM Eastern
I have no problem with PSA ARs... but, if the rifles are going to see heavy(normal) use Iíd get a quality bolt carrier assembly and a better trigger, then replace the barrel as needed. ARs fully assembled by PSA are fine for the vast majority, which only shoot a couple hundred rounds a year through them.


just my $0.02


I still have one with a PSA carbine upper, but itís been shoved to the back of the safe behind newer stuff.. middies
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 05:59:27 PM Eastern
yet another chapter in "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"


shot some 5.56 this weekend.  started with my recent reloads then went to factory ammo, then back to reloads.


The first batch of reloads (23.5Gr IMR 4064 powder) shot fine (this is on the bottom end of the load data for this powder with 55Gr bullet)


The second batch of reloads would not properly cycle the rifle.  It was short cycling (well...I think).  It fired fine, well on target with no noticeable change in recoil (but it's an AR so....their ain't that much recoil to notice.)  This batch was an alternative powder similar to H4198 (FSP-80 russian made, but independently tested, certified, etc)
Using this relatively "unknown entity" I loaded at the very bottom of the load data for 4198 at 19gr  (the data says 19gr - 21gr so not a big variance to play with)
I thought maybe it was my "beloved" new PSA rifle so I went and grabbed my old Bushmaster and same result.  All the rounds appear to fire fine, but the rifle won't cycle the next round.  (well sometimes but usually not)  I checked the OAL and compared to factory rounds and load data and the length is good.  The primers are  new CCI#41.  I trimmed/checked all the brass so I know the case length is good (1.752)
I tried multiple different magazines; fully loaded, half loaded, 3-4 rounds,etc)  The magazines are mix of Magpul G2 & gen 3 and all are practically new.
The spent shells did all eject properly by the way - none hung up on ejection....just didn't cycle/feed the next round.  Pull the charging handle back and fires the next one fine...then same thing, didn't chamber the next round.  I thought something was wonky or broke on the action so it wasn't catching the next round.

I went back and looked and the powder says "similar to H4198 and Norma200"
H4198 data says 19.0 - 21.0 (and depending on the 55gr bullet found some data at 18.5gr starting point)
Norma load data says 21.8 - 22.8


I started at 19.0, but had I looked at Norma data, maybe I would have bumped it, but being a newbie....I was skeered so I always start at the bottom.
Also this is load data for .223 Rem and both my current AR are 5.56 so they can handle bit more pressure.
I've looked and nobody posts load data for 5.56.  Curious as to how much factory loads bump pressures in 5.56 vs .223 loads if any.


I did clean, trim, size, etc, and this is once fire military (5.56) brass.
I am a little surprised a published load fell short - I can only figure it has to be the slight difference in the "similar" powder.


The powder is NEW by the way.  Manufactured in 2021


So....I fired a bunch (well one at a time... a bunch is relative) in what essentially was two different "AR bolt action" rifles.  The rounds sound right, feel right, shoot right, but won't cycle either gun properly.  I had my wife and one son watch me shoot factory rounds and these reloads alternatively and they could not tell a difference in sound or muzzle flash.

The only common denominator between the two guns, multiple magazines, etc was....the ammunition (well the shooter too, but we KNOW there's nothing wrong with that guy)

thoughts....suggestions? (other than "don't buy anymore Russian powder")  :snicker:



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 06:08:43 PM Eastern
Load a batch a tad hotter and see if that cycles the gun. Usually if an AR won't cycle a given batch of ammo the spring, but mostly the buffer are too heavy. Mo power mo better, to a point


Russian powder obviously works fine, thousands of 7.62x39 say so
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 06:17:45 PM Eastern
Load a batch a tad hotter and see if that cycles the gun. Usually if an AR won't cycle a given batch of ammo the spring, but mostly the buffer are too heavy. Mo power mo better, to a point


Yeah, kind of what I had come down to.  Both rifles are very similar so not much help there (16" barrels, etc)


Too bad I loaded 375 of these sum bitches.  Knew I was gettin carried away, but it was a month ago and I test fired a few just fine, and it was too damn hot to be outside so I spent an afternoon loading....and loading.


So....does anyone hand load a different load for 5.56 vs 2.23?
I mean when you are trimming the cases the length is going to be the same so the pressures should be about the same....and in the same rifle the length/head space is always the same, with only maybe the shoulder of the brass being slightly different and MAYBE the brass thickness to a degree, but with mixed head stamps anyway...there going to be some variation in the brass.  I was just wondering if 5.56 was intentionally loaded hotter, and where do you get that data?


I can/will certainly work up the load a bit at a time, but was wondering if there actually was 5.56 data available (which I can't seem to find)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 06:34:21 PM Eastern
I never bought 5.56/.223 dies. I can't hunt bambi(legally) in this state with a .223 and I stocked up on bulk 5.56 at a price far cheaper than I could load it at. My hornady books have 5.56 loads in them. That's why you should have multiple books from different sources :wackysmile:


since you are now a professional reloader  :snicker: , I know you have a scale. Take the buffers out of your ARs and weigh them, then buy a lighter one for this batch of ammo. Not sure I can help there, I switched all my stuff to the A5 buffer system
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 06:40:15 PM Eastern
I never bought 5.56/.223 dies. I can't hunt bambi(legally) in this state with a .223 and I stocked up on bulk 5.56 at a price far cheaper than I could load it at. My hornady books have 5.56 loads in them. That's why you should have multiple books from different sources :wackysmile:


since you are now a professional reloader  :snicker: , I know you have a scale. Take the buffers out of your ARs and weigh them, then buy a lighter one for this batch of ammo. Not sure I can help there, I switched all my stuff to the A5 buffer system


I hear ya.  I never intended to load either 5.56 OR 9mm due to the "low cost" of ammo.  Until last year...when I jumped into this pasttime and then had to wait and fight to find enough of everything to load even one caliber.
Now I load both.
I thought about the buffer spring....not sure it's worth it for a few hundred rounds.  Then again....sure don't want to pull the bullets and start over.


thanks by the way...

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 06:43:12 PM Eastern
it's far easier to put a lighter weight buffer in than it is to pull apart almost 400 rounds, if it were me I'd be buying a lighter weight buffer, only takes about 45 seconds to change one


and you may end up liking that load if it works with a lighter buffer
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 08:25:05 PM Eastern
Rich...

one more thing, it's not a bad idea to have several buffers of different weights on hand, or just see if you can find separate weights. You can take them apart and switch the weights around to create what you need.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday July 22, 2021, 06:08:42 PM Eastern
out of curiosity I started looking for this 23.5 gr of 4064 load. I found it in my Speer book. The book only lists a .223

Rich, you need a hornady book. The hornady book has .223, .223 service rifle(AR) and 5.56. The basic .223 load is normally implied as a bolt gun load. A bolt action gun usually can handle higher pressures than a semi auto. It just inherent to the design. I can't find a listing for 4046 for the AR. That doesn't mean you can't, it just tells me it's been evaluated as not being a good powder for the AR. I use powders in things that aren't in the books. It's perfectly safe. With enough research you begin to understand what will and what won't work. Example A: when I started using true blue they had listings for the .40 but not the 10mm. That doesn't make sense to me so I asked around and found a guy who's well known in the industry that worked up loads for the 10 in that powder with excellent results. I was also in the process of working on a load with a 125gr bullet for a .30 carbine revolver. You can't find that combo in any book but everyone I've asked said it's perfectly fine. I even had guys I trust suggest a heavier bullet. The supply shortages of late plus the covid bullshit put that on hold for now.

When browsing forums for reloading information there is always some asswipe that has zero experience with what the caliber, bullet or powder question was but has to inject he never loads anything that isn't in the book. If everyone had that attitude we'd still be shooting black powder. What's more interesting about that is, top shelf commercial ammo is hotter than the top listing in the reloading books. In order to achieve the advertised fps you must exceed the max charge in the books. I have no doubt lawyers are at fault for that, but I've not heard if anyone blowing up their guns on a regular basis using the top shelf hot ammo. Once in a blue moon a manufacturer will release a batch that's too hot, but it's rare.

when in doubt start low and work up

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 22, 2021, 11:20:54 PM Eastern

Found me a 20% lighter spring and 2.7oz weight (the standard is 3.0 from what I read)
gonna try it for fun and keep playing with the loads.


I do have a Hornady book (I think)...and a Speer one (maybe I should look at them)  :huh:


The 4064 loads actually shot fine. (and I only had 1lb of that powder and its gone).....back when I first started this new hobby it was the 1st/only rifle powder I could find at the chantilly gun show that covered both .223 and .308.  Not that I have even loaded .308 yet.


It was the 4198 that gave me trouble, but after reviewing it....in a couple places, I was at the very bottom of one recommendation and .4 Grains below the bottom of another, so it will likely be fine once I work it up a bit.
I have 16lbs of it so.....gonna develop a load that works  ;D



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday July 26, 2021, 07:32:31 PM Eastern
I went back to my Hornady book (10th edition) and it was actually where I got the 18.4gr starting point for the "4198"  The load actually says 18.4 to 21.x?


I shot a few more of that batch with the same result.  Bumped up the load to 19.0gr.  Same result.  20.0 and same result.  It was about 8pm so I quit there.
Either the powder is not as "similar" to 4198 as expected or ....I don't know what.


I was very careful in checking the powder measurement, etc.  I'm using CCI #41 primers that I bought new last year.  Couple hundred rounds of the brass from early rounds was actually primed brass I got from a guy in Tidewater, but it all looked very good and new (and same result)


I am a little curious about the OAL I'm getting.  All my brass is trimmed to 1.752.  My initial loads with IMI 55Gr bullets with a cannelure.  (I do a light taper crimp on the cannelure).  With the IMI bullets, OAL is right at 2.25 which is what most of the data says as far as OAL.
With my MidSouth Supply 55Gr bullets (with cannelure), I had to shorten OAL to 2.205 to be in the cannelure, which is shorter than the data suggests.  I went back and looked and these are Hornady FMJ BT bullets. (No they are not Hornady, but some no name, but are 55GR FMJ)  Looking at the bullets you can easily see a visible difference in that they are shorter stubbier and less "pointy".  I lay them side by side (just the bullet) and these bullets are shorter in length.  (The weight is dead on so I guess it's just a different shape overall)  I am confused here because all the Hornady data says 2.230" OAL.  If I set to that length it will completely miss the cannelure.  (not Hornady bullets though)


So I just downloaded the "new" edition load data from Hornady and it NOW shows .223 load data for 4198 starting at 19.3 up to 24.0 max.  (that's up a couple full grains on the max end)  They don't show a 5.56 load using the 4198 powder.
I loaded at 20 and still get a failure to cycle on nearly every round.  They are firing on target and ejecting shell but no feed.  I'd swear it was the rifle except it does exact same thing in two different rifles.  I go back to some PMC factory rounds and cycles like a champ.


Gonna keep tweaking it, but I'm in the load range given by the data and no joy.  My number 1 goal is to NOT blow anything up.  I've looked at both .223 and 5.56 Hornady loads and the max is about the same comparing one to another with various powders.


just another day in "as Rich's reloading life turns"
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 02, 2021, 08:24:21 PM Eastern
Changed the buffer spring to a lightweight spring and same result.  (although I did not change the buffer weight - didn't realize the weight did not come with the spring)


Bumped up the load to 21.0 then to 22.0


Same result....although at 21, I did get some to cycle.  and at 21/22 I was sometimes getting the next round to jamb on the feed ramp with the bolt trapping it before seating into the barrel.  Thought I was headed toward success, but....No


At 22 - I'm starting to get flattened primers and I did get a shell stuck (lightly)  Pulled the charging handle and it popped out.  Don't see any leaks or bulges, but the primer is slightly flattened on the end.


At 23 - flattened primers, stuck brass (2/10) and still no feed


I keep thinking it's the rifle like maybe something wrong with the feed ramp or ejector, but nearly 100% eject properly but the next round doesn't cycle.  Thought maybe a bad catch or thinkamajig on the bolt wasn't catching the next round.  (Cause it wasn't jamming on the feed - it just isn't feeding)  Even swapped the bolt out (actually did that way back early in this drama when I was cleaning it and bent the damn firing pin retaining pin, so I just grabbed an extra bolt I had purchased for the next build)  But every time I go back to factory ammo (PMC 55gr) and it cycles like a champ.  (Using the very same 2 or 3 Pmag mags, with 3, 5, 10, 20, and 30 rounds - flawless with the PMC ammo)
I even watched where my shells were ejecting to see if I could see some oddity.  Laid out a blue tarp (which now has burn holes in it) and the shells were pretty consistently dropping in the same 3'-4' area (at about my 4 o'clock)


Went back to the original buffer spring with no change.


I got the powder at a bargain, but not bargain enough to make this a dedicated bolt action AR


Crazy thing is I am getting dead on accuracy with these loads  (well I quit shooting for accuracy after the first 5 or so load work ups)


Gonna keep at it.  Now I'm just baffled.  I thought for sure the lighter spring would do it (although...I didn't get lighter weight)


Good times.  Still beats working
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday August 02, 2021, 09:37:24 PM Eastern
just out of curiosity, switch uppers. Put the PSA upper on your other lower and test fire
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 16, 2021, 12:26:15 PM Eastern
Didn't have much time this weekend, but I did try and shoot some.  I swapped uppers/lowers and same thing, replaced the bolt carrier in one with a nickel boron "spare".  Went back to some of the 18.4 loads (of which I have about 250) and same result. 

Went back to the drawing board and started at the very bottom load (based on 2021 Hornady book) which is 17.4g of (4198).  Made 10 rounds and fired that and it is definitely light.  Shoots on target, but had several cases not eject.  Some do eject, but doesn't chamber the next round. And you can feel how light it is.  I filmed it in slow motion with my phone, but it's not really slow enough to see if the bolt is sliding all the way back or not.  I can't see a difference in the videos of the factory and hand loads.  Maybe if I load the video to a LARGER screen, and had some frame by frame software I could see it, but not so much on the phone screen.  I put alternating hand loads and factory loads in the same mag and all the factory loads fire, then the hand loads fire, but not chamber the next round.  Consistently the same in both rifles.  Go back to factory loads and both rifles function flawlessly.
By the way...the bolt is pulling back far enough to reset the trigger.  I did notice (when shells fully eject), I pull the trigger and the hammer strikes and nothing.  Early on I thought I was getting a misfire and then realized there is just no round in the chamber.

I've changed just about everything from primers to cases to rifles and get the same result. I thought maybe my primers were old and just wasn't quite getting it, but I've tried different batches (winchester, CCI, etc) and same thing.  It's not that they aren't igniting or even firing...they just don't cycle the next round.  From what I've read the CCI #41 primers are pretty hot so...and they were designed for gas guns

Only common denominators I can find in this equation are the powder and...
     :pointdown:
 the operator


I've tried searching the forums for any load data for this FSP-680 powder (Russian powder sold by Ft. Smith) and I can't find any.


I HAVE read several posts (in older forums) with the very same issues I'm having - not cycling the rounds.
Some have said they love 4198 and works well in their rifles and others have said they have to load at or above max data to cycle the round - and found it's not worth doing.
Most who actually posted their load data are well into the upper or above max published data.  Also appears there is quite a range in that data and 2010 and older books published MUCH higher loads than more recent books.  Most who got it to work found very good accuracy and clean burning.  Also....most preferred IMR4198 to H4198 and it "appears" the H4198 needs a teeny bit higher load.  However, I'm just using the data a "relative" starting point so....


Looks like I might need to acquire a new rifle chambered 7.62x39 to get use of this 15 pounds of powder  :huh: :uh-huh:


Although, even after reading through several forums where folks are having issues, I find it odd that Hogden would publish load data for this round if it were to find so many problems.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday August 16, 2021, 12:48:14 PM Eastern
I was bored yesterday so I did some more reading at M4 carbine dot com. One thing that's poped up repeatedly for a home assembled rifle that's having cycling issues is to make sure the gas port in the barrel is lined up with the hole in the gas block. A common mistake for newbies is to install the gas block right up against the shoulder on the barrel, its not supposed to be. Having said that, the hole in the gas block is always bigger than the one in the barrel to help avoid such things.

I do stock 4198 for the AR, but Im loading 6.8, and its at the top(or more) of the book listings. I have not experienced cycling issues with those loads, and Im running the heaviest buffer those rounds will cycle.

just checked the 6.8 middy, its got the A5 H4 buffer in it which the book says is 6.8 ounces, thats ironic. But like I said, Im running hot ammo.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday August 24, 2021, 06:06:18 PM Eastern
Well I WAS considering building an AR platform utilizing a 7.62 x39 cartridge....OR honestly considering an AK style for my "next gun", BUT....


thanks to Sleepy Joe and his Russian ammo ban....Why bother?  All the fargon AK ammo is going to skyrocket in cost.


If they aren't making up ways to make legit gun parts illegal - they just going to make it impossible (or impossibly expensive) to get ammo.


But hey - let's keep that stuff out of law abiding citizens' hands, but yet by all means leave a crapload of ordinance in Afghanistan for the Taliban to use against us and our allies.






Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday August 24, 2021, 06:44:30 PM Eastern
I was bored yesterday so I did some more reading at M4 carbine dot com. One thing that's poped up repeatedly for a home assembled rifle that's having cycling issues is to make sure the gas port in the barrel is lined up with the hole in the gas block. A common mistake for newbies is to install the gas block right up against the shoulder on the barrel, its not supposed to be. Having said that, the hole in the gas block is always bigger than the one in the barrel to help avoid such things.

I do stock 4198 for the AR, but Im loading 6.8, and its at the top(or more) of the book listings. I have not experienced cycling issues with those loads, and Im running the heaviest buffer those rounds will cycle.

just checked the 6.8 middy, its got the A5 H4 buffer in it which the book says is 6.8 ounces, thats ironic. But like I said, Im running hot ammo.


I assembled one of my lower "Kits" this weekend.  PSA Multi "Liberty" lower with (slightly) upgraded trigger, Hogue soft grip, and Hogue over molded stock (standard buffer & tube) and mounted .223 Wylde upper with 18" stainless barrel and Nickel Boron BCG.  Looks good.


But.....It won't cycle this friggin load either.  I did not think it had a chance, but figured I'd give it a shot.  I believe the trigger has a harder hammer strike, so I was hoping maybe that or the longer barrel would maybe make a difference, but ignition didn't really seem to be my issue.  Also, the pull on the charging handle (buffer spring) seems really heavy, but I know it's a standard buffer spring.  Maybe I'll pop the lighter spring in there, but FFS I really don't think it will matter.
I now have three distinct AR guns that all fire flawlessly with factory ammo (PMC 55gr, Hornady 55gr-5.56 Frontier, some 15 year old shit I haven't used up, some walmart greentip from 10 years ago), as well as my initial IMR 4064 hand loaded rounds.  All of this fires and cycles through every gun without issue.


I have swapped uppers and lowers from gun to gun, tried different buffer spring, swapped BCG, changed firing pins and bolts, loaded hotter and hotter until flattening primers and stuck cases and still can't get this to work.  Tried different primers, different bullets, etc.  I thought I must have just totally messed up the initial loads and mis-measured the powder, but I started over 10 rounds at a time and still get nothing.  The powder is NEW and dry.


I have not tried a LIGHTER bullet yet (or a heavier one).  All the data I can find for 4198 uses 55gr and below.  I thought I had some 52gr bullets, but I do not.  I have a few 62 and 75, but no load data for those with 4198


I see there's load data for 7.62 x 39 Russian (which I was considering building), but Sleepy Joe says no, no, no  :raised-eyebrow:


Having fun building though  :wackysmile: .  Maybe some day I can shoot one of them more than a few rounds at a time.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday August 24, 2021, 06:51:00 PM Eastern
I love my nickle boron coated BCGs, but its still an AR and they still need lube. I put one together one once that then sat in the safe for several months. When I finally took it to the range I forgot to lube the bolt /carrier. After two shots I was having feed issues, I then had that doh moment. Pulled out the bottle of lube and its run flawlessly ever since.

and 55 grain is the lightest bullet Id run through an AR, unless I lived out west in prairie dog country. Then a 45 would suffice, and only for prairie dogs. As it is, i like 62-77.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday August 24, 2021, 08:57:11 PM Eastern
it also seems to me you are ignoring buffer weight and thinking too much about buffer spring weight. There are different weight springs, but thats for ultra fine tuning, not getting the rifle to cycle. In fact, if you aren't shooting competition, the standard buffer spring is more than sufficient.



so, based on what you've posted til now, I'd say lube and/or a lighter buffer weight will fix your problems
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday August 25, 2021, 12:15:57 PM Eastern
I recently stumbled across four boxes (80) rounds of some .223 I bought with my original AR, which I purchased in the late 90's  (98 or 99).
It was in the pockets of one of my soft rifle cases.  It is South African and has a picture of an antelope on the box  ;D


It shoots fine - been stored in a cool & dry place indoors (in my bedroom closet)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday August 26, 2021, 09:39:34 AM Eastern
it also seems to me you are ignoring buffer weight and thinking too much about buffer spring weight. There are different weight springs, but thats for ultra fine tuning, not getting the rifle to cycle. In fact, if you aren't shooting competition, the standard buffer spring is more than sufficient.



so, based on what you've posted til now, I'd say lube and/or a lighter buffer weight will fix your problems


Oh, my baby is lubed up.  My original Bushmaster AR taught me she likes to run wet.
Honestly, when I bought the lighter buffer spring (online) I THOUGHT it came with a lighter weight, but it did not.


If I could get more than an hour or two every two or three weekends or so, I might be able to get it going.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday August 26, 2021, 12:48:34 PM Eastern
ok, I just re read all your issues with the .223. This is all with used brass? I'm starting to think this may be part of the problem, at least with hard extraction. Also, clean the chambers real good and take a good look at them. They should look smooth, no rough spots. Its not unheard of for a chamber to need a light polish. Internal polish on a firearm does not mean make it look like a mirror, it means getting rid of rough edges left by tooling marks. This still doesn't explain the failure to feed though, unless the cases are so out of spec as to be causing that as well. I have had bad brass before, though it's been a few years. But given the shelf life of this stuff it very well could still be in circulation.

When you say failure to load, I assume the bolt is not going back far enough to pick up the next round. That can only be a couple on things. No lube/not enough lube, under powered loads, or the buffer is too heavy for the load. A heavy buffer increases the mass the bolt needs to push back, basic physics. Im guessing a rough chamber could contribute to it, but you dont have an issue with factory ammo.

The only thing I use used/range pickup brass in is semi auto hand guns, and only once. Two things, you can full length resize straight wall cases. and with used brass you never know how many times its already been fired. It is, or was cheap, so Id get some occasionally for range use. Load it once and leave it lie.

The vast majority of my reloading is for hand guns. I will keep the cylinder(revolver) or barrel(semi) at the press with me when loading a given cartridge and use them to make sure completed rounds drop in and out freely. This can be done with a rifle too, they make tools for that..

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018249683 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018249683)

One more thing, is this only with the russian powder? Or with the 4198 as well? Its probably been a good 15 years since Ive heard about a bad batch of powder, but thats not impossible either.

I have been tempted a few times to buy once fired 5.56 or .308 brass. Never have though. All my rifle brass is new. The past 18 months are different though, supplies have never been this tight. The remington ammo plant is back up and running after it was shut down from the backruptcy, so that should help.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: ArJunaZ on Thursday September 02, 2021, 11:35:37 PM Eastern
Didn't have much time this weekend, but I did try and shoot some.  I swapped uppers/lowers and same thing, replaced the bolt carrier in one with a nickel boron "spare".  Went back to some of the 18.4 loads (of which I have about 250) and same result. 

Went back to the drawing board and started at the very bottom load (based on 2021 Hornady book) which is 17.4g of (4198).  Made 10 rounds and fired that and it is definitely light.  Shoots on target, but had several cases not eject.  Some do eject, but doesn't chamber the next round. And you can feel how light it is.  I filmed it in slow motion with my phone, but it's not really slow enough to see if the bolt is sliding all the way back or not.  I can't see a difference in the videos of the factory and hand loads.  Maybe if I load the video to a LARGER screen, and had some frame by frame software I could see it, but not so much on the phone screen.  I put alternating hand loads and factory loads in the same mag and all the factory loads fire, then the hand loads fire, but not chamber the next round.  Consistently the same in both rifles.  Go back to factory loads and both rifles function flawlessly.
By the way...the bolt is pulling back far enough to reset the trigger.  I did notice (when shells fully eject), I pull the trigger and the hammer strikes and nothing.  Early on I thought I was getting a misfire and then realized there is just no round in the chamber.

I've changed just about everything from primers to cases to rifles and get the same result. I thought maybe my primers were old and just wasn't quite getting it, but I've tried different batches (winchester, CCI, etc) and same thing.  It's not that they aren't igniting or even firing...they just don't cycle the next round.  From what I've read the CCI #41 primers are pretty hot so...and they were designed for gas guns

Only common denominators I can find in this equation are the powder and...
     :pointdown:
 the operator


I've tried searching the forums for any load data for this FSP-680 powder (Russian powder sold by Ft. Smith) and I can't find any.


I HAVE read several posts (in older forums) with the very same issues I'm having - not cycling the rounds.
Some have said they love 4198 and works well in their rifles and others have said they have to load at or above max data to cycle the round - and found it's not worth doing.
Most who actually posted their load data are well into the upper or above max published data.  Also appears there is quite a range in that data and 2010 and older books published MUCH higher loads than more recent books.  Most who got it to work found very good accuracy and clean burning.  Also....most preferred IMR4198 to H4198 and it "appears" the H4198 needs a teeny bit higher load.  However, I'm just using the data a "relative" starting point so....


Looks like I might need to acquire a new rifle chambered 7.62x39 to get use of this 15 pounds of powder  :huh: :uh-huh:


Although, even after reading through several forums where folks are having issues, I find it odd that Hogden would publish load data for this round if it were to find so many problems.

Those books are too conservative IMO.  Lawyers got a hand in them.  I have and use both IMR 4198 and Hodgdon H4198.  Both are made for very light loads in .223/5.56, like UP TO 55gr.  55gr will need a higher load of powder.   I recommend trying 20-21gr IMR or 21-22gr Hodgdon.  That should cycle most functioning AR15.

I have used 22gr of either powder with Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT bullets (https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/001532267b6000/22-caliber-point224-diameter-55-grain-fmj-bt-with-cannelure-approximately-6-and-000-case) and never had an issue with either gas impingement or piston uppers.  I must add that all but one of my AR15's are short barrels, 16", 14.5" or 10.5".  Longer barrels (gas port further down barrel) may struggle with these 4198 powders and the heavier loads like 55gr.

Regarding another question I saw posted here.  I have a bunch or AR15 rifles and the only time I ever played with buffer weight was to change the cyclic rate of my M16/M4.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday September 03, 2021, 11:16:41 AM Eastern
Theoretically, you should never have to change buffer weight. We all know how that goes.

ARs from the factory are notorious for being over gassed. But they need to be for it to be functional with the wide range of ammo that's commercially available, and at a wide range of temperatures, like using the same gun and ammo in both Alaska in the winter and Phoenix in the summer. Cheep range ammo isn't as hot, doesn't produce as much gas as high end self defense/hunting/true 5.56 does. In the past few years manufacturers have gotten better at drilling a proper sized gas port.

People that only shoot the high end stuff tend to tune the gun for that ammo. Two ways to do that. A heavier buffer which slows down lock time, send more gas down the barrel. Or an adjustable gas block.  Some think an adjustable gas block is only really necessary on a gun that uses a suppressor, but not full time. A suppressor sends a lot more gas into the gas system, and the users face.

Also, the AR has become the adult version of tinker toys, people love to tinker with it. It's important to learn what those changes do and if they are necessary.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 11:43:08 AM Eastern
So I tinkered just a teeny bit yesterday.  Finally got a lighter buffer weight in and tried that in the 18" Wylde.  2.2 oz buffer.  Still did not cycle.  I should have swapped it to the 16" carbine, but didn't.  Had lots going on (mostly dropping a dead oak tree and cutting that up which was long overdue).  By the time I got to the hobby, I just didn't have much time or mostly energy.  Tree whooped my ass - as I am old and out of shape (okay, I'm older and fat).  (Today I can barely stand up straight) :-\


I actually also recently got an Armaspec Stealth recoil spring, which I tried with the same end result.  ( I do like it in my 16" gun with factory rounds though)


I've tried both new and used brass.  although I have only limited amount of new brass.  All the "used" brass is supposedly 1x fired and I know that the "personal" supply portion is only x fired.  I have all my brass separated by brands/batches as well as number of times fired.   (I did trim all the used brass to length and resize, etc.)  I don't "think" it's the brass as I didn't have any issue with the brass with other powders (IMR4064).  AND....some of it was new brass.


Also, with the recent ongoing building hobby, I now have three completed and different AR guns all of which treat this batch of loads relatively the same.  3 Guns:  A) 20+ year old Bushmaster 16" A2 model, B) newish PSA build 16" barrel, mid-length gas, and the "newest"; C) 18" stainless Wylde, rifle length gas.  Both of these "builds" were factory assembled uppers and I did the lowers.  I also have one more assembled upper (16" mid length) I have swapped in for testing, as well as several different BCG, etc.
All react the same - cycle fine with factory ammo and the IMR4064 hand loads, yet short cycle on the "Russian 4198".  I can actually feel the load is light.  It fires fine, ejects the shell 90% of the time, but almost never cycles the next round.  Occasionally I get a stuck case, which I don't understand either.
With the factory buffers, all three guns cycle well with factory 223 and 5.56 ammo I have.


What I don't get is weeks/months ago, I slowly worked the load up and up and up from 18.5 to 22.5.
At 22.5 I was getting flattened primers and stuck cases.


I know the 4198 is not ideal .223 55GR, but I DID find published loads for it so I figured it would work at least for plinking (which is all I was after).  I read a bunch of forums and this seams to be a common problem.  Lot's of folks find it works fine and many find it won't cycle properly.  With 16lbs of it....I certainly want to try and get a load that I can work.
It's Russian powder FSP-680 sold through Ft Smith..."most similar" to 4198. It is new powder made in 2020-2021



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 12:31:01 PM Eastern
Like I said, I use 4198 in a couple ARs without issue, it's not apples to apples with you because it's in 6.8spc, but it's damn close. It starting to sound like its a powder issue.

I don't think you will find an answer on a regular reloading forum. Most of those guys are old school and have limited experience, if any, with an AR. Some of them even despise it. I've got stories. Have you signed up at M4 carbine dot net? Those guys know their shit. Ask about in the reloading section. You need to be very specific, this is no different than getting a doctors diagnoses over the phone. AR15 dot com isn't the same place it was 10 years ago IMHO.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 12:52:21 PM Eastern
On a more "fun" note....


My response to Sleepy Joe and his illegal ban on Russian imported ammo...


"F" him.  Building me an "AR-47" just because.
I assembled the upper Saturday.  First time actually mounting a gas block and barrel.  Not too bad.  Had a hard time getting the barrel nut (Aero adapter for the hand guard) mounted because I don't have a proper vice block.  Had to get the nut to about 60lbs torque to rotate it to perfect alignment.  I probably could have removed and installed one of the supplied shims and got it rotated at 30-40 lbs but I'm stubborn and only needed another couple degrees to get it right so I kept at it.


Now I'm on a budget and get parts cheap when available; ALL were sale items:


AR Stoner 7.62x39 heavy contour barrel, mid length gas
AR Stoner Bolt Carrier Group
MBS Carbine length tube, low profile gas block
AERO M4E1 Upper
AERO Atlas R-One mlok rail (I splurged on this and like it ALOT)
AERO blemished lower (yet to arrive - actually probably at my FFL, but I have not checked)
Hogue overmold carbine stock & Buffer
Hiperfire EDT trigger (supposed to have heavy hammer strike for that pesky steel cased ammo)


What I am still missing:
Enhanced firing pin for harder strikes (I've heard this is a must for AR build in 7.62x39)
Grip (I have several laying around)
muzzle break/flash hider


I threw the assembled upper onto one of my ready AR lowers and off we go...


Only 7.62x39 ammo I have is Wolf steel case.  As rumored.....light hammer strikes on 4 of the 20 rounds I fired.  (Guess I really DO need that enhanced firing pin.)  It is my understanding the enhancement is the shoulder on the firing pin is a bit further down, so you get effectively a longer pin so the tip strikes the primer harder
Other than that everything seems to work.  Good cycle, no jams (other than the light strikes)
The PSA lower I used has a standard FCG in it so hoping when I get the lower assembled with the heavier trigger it will get better and the enhanced pin will solve the light hammer strikes altogether (if I ever find one - everywhere I have looked is always out of stock)





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 12:55:30 PM Eastern
And the Wylde one....


18" stainless Wylde barrel
PSA nickel Boron BCG
Hogue overmold stock, grip
Hiperfire EDT SS trigger
Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 x 24 scope


This is going to be my target gun...eventually

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 05:38:48 PM Eastern
Before I built my first one, I researched building these things for a good six months. Complete upper and lower assembly is incredibly easy, if you know who to use a wrench without constantly stripping treads. The bigger issue with the flood of vendors in the last 15-20 years is knowing which ones offer quality parts. Some of the stuff you will find is for the air soft market and will not hold up in a real gun. If the rifle is really going to get shot a lot, more than a couple thousand rounds a year, you want top shelf parts. Most people won't put a couple hundred rounds through one a year. Pre covid I was closer to the couple thousand rounds a year.

When a top shelf factory rifle is recommended for high use, it's usually close to a $2000 rifle. I never could understand that price point, until I built a couple the way I wanted with top shelf parts. It's not hard to go over that mark before buying optics.

I had considered building one in 7.62x39 so that got researched as well. I ended up not doing it as I've already got other options. Appearently, the trick to get a reliable 7.62x39 AR is all in the magazine. I saved that info somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.


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it appears Duramag and C-Products are the preferred mags for 7.62x39 in an AR. I use C-Products for the 6.8. No complaints.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 09:22:04 PM Eastern
Before I built my first one, I researched building these things for a good six months. Complete upper and lower assembly is incredibly easy, if you know who to use a wrench without constantly stripping treads. The bigger issue with the flood of vendors in the last 15-20 years is knowing which ones offer quality parts. Some of the stuff you will find is for the air soft market and will not hold up in a real gun. If the rifle is really going to get shot a lot, more than a couple thousand rounds a year, you want top shelf parts. Most people won't put a couple hundred rounds through one a year. Pre covid I was closer to the couple thousand rounds a year.

When a top shelf factory rifle is recommended for high use, it's usually close to a $2000 rifle. I never could understand that price point, until I built a couple the way I wanted with top shelf parts. It's not hard to go over that mark before buying optics.

I had considered building one in 7.62x39 so that got researched as well. I ended up not doing it as I've already got other options. Appearently, the trick to get a reliable 7.62x39 AR is all in the magazine. I saved that info somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.


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it appears Duramag and C-Products are the preferred mags for 7.62x39 in an AR. I use C-Products for the 6.8. No complaints.


That's funny.  I heard the same thing.  I actually watched a video from Mr GunsNGear recently (although I don't know when the video was actually from) where he reviewed some mags for the AR build of 7.62x39 and mentioned those two specifically.  Also saw a video of his where he tried to destroy PSA's AK mag (actually for an AK) and it held up better than expected.
I actually was GOING TO GO the Grendel route, but I'm really not long range shooting precision shooting and I have a decent AR-10/.308 that will reach farther than I am capable of shooting....so
I thought I'd try the "AR-47" version for up close contact with a bit more thump.  That and I wanted something with fairly available and cheap ammo if it ever comes to that.
I looked at an actual AK, but in my price point, could not swallow that pill.....and honestly I know they are ultra reliable time tested, but the stamped steel just looks cheap to me.  Couldn't get past it.  And I already have so much AR stuff....


Anyway, we shall see.


I think the one mag have have for it currently is a AR Stoner mag cause that's what Midway had and I got the barrel and BCG there on sale.  It did function for my very short test.
I believe I ordered one C products mags and one other from Brownells, but Brownells has gotten to be very pricey compared to others lately.  Don't have those in hand yet

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday September 08, 2021, 01:27:51 AM Eastern
just found my notes, ASC mags for 7.62x39 in an AR are also recommended

https://www.ammosc.com/762x39-Magazines/ (https://www.ammosc.com/762x39-Magazines/)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday September 13, 2021, 11:20:32 AM Eastern
just found my notes, ASC mags for 7.62x39 in an AR are also recommended

https://www.ammosc.com/762x39-Magazines/ (https://www.ammosc.com/762x39-Magazines/)


I got the advanced firing pin Friday.  Swapped it in there and solved the light strikes on the Tula steel ammo.  Fired 50 rounds flawlessly.  No light strikes, no jambs, no misfeeds.  I was a bit shocked actually.
The one and only mag I currently have is an AR Stoner 30 round mag, but I don't actually know who makes if.  I would think Stoner just puts there name on someone else's but who knows.
I do have a couple others (C products) on the way.


I ordered the pin and a heavier hammer spring, but I didn't change out the spring as it was just a temporary "borrowed" lower and not the one I intend for this gun.  I used one of my PSA standard lowers for the test and everything worked just fine.


This lower has basic magpul M-4 stock, and you can definitely feel the difference in the kick with the 7.62x39.  Also rocks the steel a good bit more on impact (1/2" AR500 steel)
I have an Aero stripped lower on the way for this gun, and I like the Hogue over-molded stock I have on my .223 Wylde gun, so I'm going to put one of those on this gun.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday September 13, 2021, 11:33:17 AM Eastern
This is my .223 Wylde gun...


I like this stock alot; Hogue over-molded stock, grip.
Put a cheap budget bipod on front for target fun.  (UTG Recon flex mlok).  Works well for my purposes for $52


I love the Vortex strike eagle scope for this gun.  1-6x24.  Very clear, good adjustment and the 1x is a true 1x and functions just like a red dot (with adjustable lighted reticle) at any magnification.
Pretty perfect for this gun.  I'm not shooting 1000 yds so the 6x performs actually better than expected for me.


Also replaced trigger with Hiperfire SS trigger.  Very crisp, short reset, 3.5lb.  Like it very much.





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday September 13, 2021, 06:06:48 PM Eastern
The two I've set up for hunting have 20" barrels and magpul PRS stocks on them with rifle length reciever extensions. Those are the only two I've mounted a bipod to.

A reciever extension is the technical name for the buffer tube. Either term is understood in the industry. It's like calling mags clips to a of people though. I could care less, I just use whichever depending on who I'm talking to, what I think their level of experience in the industry is.






but don't call a magazine a clip, they are two distinct items with different uses.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday September 14, 2021, 06:01:50 PM Eastern
The two I've set up for hunting have 20" barrels and magpul PRS stocks on them with rifle length reciever extensions. Those are the only two I've mounted a bipod to.

A reciever extension is the technical name for the buffer tube. Either term is understood in the industry. It's like calling mags clips to a of people though. I could care less, I just use whichever depending on who I'm talking to, what I think their level of experience in the industry is.




but don't call a magazine a clip, they are two distinct items with different uses.


Gotcha.

Agree on the "clips"  I hear that all the time...usually from youngins or cultural diverse individuals.
PRS...nice!, but um...I'm on a budget here  (yeah like you haven't been buying so much gun shit) :huh:


AND since it's not hockey season and you are bored....get ready for a LONG POST....


Question:  This is a 18" barrel with rifle length gas tube, and this is the "first" lower I "assembled" from scratch.  I used a carbine length extension tube (which came as a set with the Hogue grip & stock).  It has standard spring and buffer weight.  Irrelevant, but I temporarily threw in an ARMASPEC "stealth recoil spring" in there to play with.  I do like it - get's rid of that spring twang.  Also "supposed to even out the recoil and such, but that is not really an issue in this rifle.  I plan to put the stealth spring in my 'standard" slightly upgraded 16" mid-length AR....eventually when I ever build it.
Anyway, the question is...should I have put a rifle length extension tube on this 18" rifle"?  It functions just fine with all ammo so far with the standard spring/weight in this carbine length extension (same goes using the Stealth spring) except for of course my light load shit which I can't get to cycle in ANY gun.
I do like this Hogue stock as it is very tight on the extension tube and has ZERO wobble or rattle.  Also like the shape with cheek weld as it does not rip the hair out of my beard (which is why I bought it originally)


Now I grab one of the others with the standard Magpul M-4 stock and those rattle like crazy.


Lastly, and back to my biggest current issue....
what is the best option/combination that is most likely going to give me success with these light loads?  I have a light (carbine) buffer kit with 1.7, 2,2, 2.4, etc oz weights and also a lighter "yellow" spring.  Will I have better luck throwing those in my 16" mid length setup OR in the 18" rifle length setup (knowing both have carbine length extensions)?


I did throw the 2.2oz buffer/yellow spring in this 18" wylde and it didn't work (any better).  I didn't really have time to mess around with it (as I was playing with the 7.62x39 lately) so only fired a few rounds with it.


So if I am grasping correctly....a longer barrel (rifle length gas) sends gas back more....slowly...or slightly less pressure due to the length of barrel/gas tube - compared to mid length - basically because the gas port is further down the barrel?  So...that ultimately gives a worse chance to cycle the light loads?  My logic tells me that would be worse because we are already short on gas with the light load, and a longer gas tube would mean less gas?
So I should rather try and play with the mid-length gun and put the lightest buffer in there I've got?  Which I have not tried yet.


Or am I just wrong on the difference in barrel length and gas tube length?  I mean shorter cycles faster so harder?  Or is it not actually harder, just faster?  Maybe a longer barrel/tube distributes gas over a longer period so a smoother/slower cycle would work better for a light load?


Basically....which gun should I play with to have a better shot at cycling these "light" loads?  Maybe the longer barrel is better because the powder is too fast anyway?  I mean, I have three guns and NONE of them like this load.


What I really don't get is why this published data works for some folks and not for others when "stock" guns are almost always over gassed anyway....although the more I research, the more I find many folks have issues with the 4198 cycling in their AR's


Some numbskull loaded 300+ rounds of this load without testing it, so .... want to use it up.


Although, at the rate I'm "testing", I'm down to around 200 of those, but my ultimate goal is to find a solution with this powder that works since I have 15 pounds of the powder.  I've loaded it hotter than what the "newest" data says.  (The older data from my old source states higher loads using this powder than the newer Hornady 2020/2021 data)
I DID find some 7.62x39 load data with this powder....so I am happy about that and will eventually try that as well.  Although....I will shoot WAY more of .223, and I HAVE a ton of .223 loading supplies already (and nothing for 7.62x39 yet)


Sorry for the long post.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday September 14, 2021, 07:15:38 PM Eastern
The buffer tube length and the gas system length operate independently of each other. Any imaginable combination of the two can used successfully/reliably together. But, the longer lenghts will give softer recoil impulses. That's one of the reasons why mid lenght gas and the A5 buffer tube have become popular on the 14.5"-16" carbine type rifles. They also extend service life of the internals, but that isn't something you'd notice unless you are shooting 1000 rounds a month.

One thing you need to watch with the carbine lenght buffer tubes, and the stocks that fit them, is whether or not it's a commercial spec or mil spec tube. The commercial spec tube has a larger outside diameter which requires a bigger hole in the stock. It's only a .003" difference, but it's enough to require different stocks. So a commercial carbine stock will fit on a mil spec tube, but it's loose as shit. There are some stocks that have a tighter fit than others, and some have a second lever on them to take that slack out, like a magpul STR.

The ideal buffer weight is one that locks the bolt back on an empty mag every time while shooting your lowest powered ammo. If the buffer is a little too heavy, it may function fine but not lock the bolt back.

The general consensus is, for an AR with carbine or mid lenght gas firing full power ammo, an H1 or H2 buffer is close to ideal. A carbine H1 buffer weighs about 3.7 ounces. An H2 buffer weighs about 4.6 ounces. Spikes used to make a T2 buffer that weighed about 4 ounces, not sure it they still do. Sounds like you are trying make to ammo that's not as hot, so an H buffer might be fine.

In my ARs, I always use ammo that's towards the top of the power scale, I don't have any lower powered range ammo for them. So I tend to have buffers on the upper end of the scale.


could add more, but time to make dinner
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday September 15, 2021, 06:47:34 PM Eastern
All my extensions are Mil-spec.  I did check that before beginning.


I have the "light" buffer kit with several weights.  Only tried the 2.2oz so far.  I have the 1.7oz I have not tried yet.


Also considered a low mass BCG, but did not really want spend more or "build" a gun around the ammo.  May yet though- I am inventorying my parts and probably have enough extra to assemble another one - beyond the three I plan to build with/for my three boys.  I have a very anal spreadsheet with all the parts and the intended builds they are for.
Trying not to go bonkers with too much building (um.....too late)  Every time stuff would go on big sale, I kept buying it so I have accumulated quite a few parts.  Got some AERO Precision stuff about 1/2 off on sale.


Oh, and that AR-Stoner mag I have for the 7.62x39 that works really well....is made by ASC.  Saw ASC stamped on the follower.  Now we now why it works.  The others (couple ASC, couple Duramag) did come in but haven't tried them yet.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday September 15, 2021, 07:58:16 PM Eastern
A low mass bolt carrier requires a different setup. I've read of people using them, but have never seen one in real life. Not sure what the purpose of them is.


Having spare parts for these things isn't a bad idea. I've acquired a bunch as well.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday September 20, 2021, 02:13:38 PM Eastern
Put my "new" lower together for my "AR47".  (already had the upper done and tested on another lower)


Aero lower....I dropped one of the detent pins (the rear one actually) when installing...could not find it.  Borrowed one from another kit until I get the spares.  :-\


Aero M4E1 upper with Aero Atlas-1 MLOK handguard.  (Like this handguard but it was probably most expensive part of the rifle.)
AR Stoner heavy contour barrel, AR Stoner BCG, 3/4" gas block, mid length tube, Hogue stock.  (like this stock - have it on three guns now)
Threw a Strike Industries RED charging handle on it to remind all this is NOT a .223 rifle
Duramag and ASC magazines arrived.  So far, ALL function flawlessly.  Put 100 rounds through it yesterday with 4 different mags, both steel cased and some Yugo brass cased. Nary an issue.
Pretty happy with it.  Shoots pretty nice.  Definitely rocks the steel a little harder than the .223
Added a slightly upgraded Rise Armament Rave trigger (single stage, 3.5lb) which is nice and crisp, short pull.
Threw in the Armaspec Stealth recoil spring (I had one already) which is nice but not necessary.
Don't have enough distance to test any accuracy at my place, but didn't build this one for anything but short distances anyway.


The ODG handle is temporary - waiting on the FDE hand grip.  Also waiting on the muzzle brake (Witt Machine)
I am happier with this than a "conventional" AK.  Pretty satisfied with how it shoots so far.  I bought pretty much everything "on-sale" (except the handguard) and with upgraded trigger and stealth recoil spring I'm at right about $900 including the brake and grip not yet here.  (although I did not include cost of sights - Magpul flip up, which I "borrowed" from another upper kit yet to be assembled)


Fun times  :)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Monday September 20, 2021, 04:05:50 PM Eastern
Very nice rifle, do you hunt with it or just target and the range? Perhaps home defense?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday September 20, 2021, 04:38:54 PM Eastern
Mostly just a lifelong gun enthusiast.  Don't hunt currently - mostly just a plinker and target thumper.
Got started into reloading the last couple years - mostly as a hobby, but I enjoy it.  Couple months ago, after building a new AR, I got the bright idea I wanted an AK-47 but everyone I looked at - I just could not deal with the stamped steel crap (not knocking the AK really) but it just didn't seem like much to me...and the COST...Holy cow!.


So, I bought bunch of stuff on sale and built up from an AR platform since I am familiar with that.  Then....along comes sleepy Joe and bans all the Russian ammo.  Great, just when I thought I was putting together a gun with relatively CHEAP ammo.   :-\
I heard they can be finicky to cycle in AR platform, but so far I've had good success.


I've mostly been overwhelming this thread with my own rantings and issues, but If you are new to the site, then welcome.  If not....well er...um.....Welcome back!
Alta nudges me back on track now and then  ;)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Caps17201 on Monday September 20, 2021, 04:54:39 PM Eastern
I appreciate anyone who appreciates firearms, basically. I srtarted in Lancaster County in 1955 just target and plinking with a Springfield single shot .22 rifle and started hunting in 1958 with a Remington Wingmaster .12 gauge shotgun for small game. I still have it along with the Springfield rifle. Started deer hunting in 1964. I have a great love for the fields, farms, mountains and wilderness for that matter. Canada and the U.S. Although itís been a long time since I have been in Canada and never hunted big game out west. My long guns have always been bolt action, lever action or pump action, along with one semi automatic shotgun. I have sold some, along with two Japanese rifles and bayonets that my dad brought back from World War II in the Pacific.
Now I am down to nine long guns and four hand guns but no ARís. Just my preference but like I said, I like to look at them. Oh, and I have a license to carry a concealed handgun in Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday September 20, 2021, 05:37:35 PM Eastern
My first gun was a ruger 10/22 which I received new as a gift when I was about 12 and still have 40+ years later.


I have several rifles and handguns as well.  Nothing fancy, but a nicely rounded collection.  Couple shotguns, one bolt action rifle (Ruger - .308), couple AR15 (old & new).  Also couple Henry lever action (.22LR, .357), which are fun.   First pistol I ever bought 30+ years ago was a Ruger .357 Magnum, 6" barrel (stainless).  Moved on to a SigSauer P226 9mm which is an original German made model,  Over the decades, I have slowly accumulated a few more - I love my Sigs and have the original 226 plus a newer P320 .45ACP and a P365XL 9mm (which is my carry gun now)


I would shoot more if I had a better place to target shoot, and IF I could afford it....and if time permitted.  Pretty sad when the cost of ammo limits how much you can shoot now.
Good thing I got into reloading...so I could SAVE money on ammo  :lol: .  All that did was inspire me to shoot more and get more guns.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday September 21, 2021, 03:43:52 AM Eastern

....I dropped one of the detent pins (the rear one actually) when installing...could not find it.  Borrowed one from another kit until I get the spares.  :-\


Fun times  :)

When a new guy on one of the AR forums asks what to get when building his first, the first answer is always extra detents and detent springs. I've launched a couple myself, heard exactly where they landed, but could never find them. I keep about 5 each extra of the different detents and springs. It's come in handy. About 10 years ago midway and brownells started selling the individual springs and detents separately, a few other places do as well. I also keep at least one entire LPK on hand too.


and yea, it's not at all difficult to spend just as much or more on the hand guard as what the barrel cost
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday September 21, 2021, 05:22:09 PM Eastern
When a new guy on one of the AR forums asks what to get when building his first, the first answer is always extra detents and detent springs. I've launched a couple myself, heard exactly where they landed, but could never find them. I keep about 5 each extra of the different detents and springs. It's come in handy. About 10 years ago midway and brownells started selling the individual springs and detents separately, a few other places do as well. I also keep at least one entire LPK on hand too.


and yea, it's not at all difficult to spend just as much or more on the hand guard as what the barrel cost


Yeah, I don't even know how I dropped the detent.  I didn't have the spring in there yet.  It was the rear one which is the easy one.  I dropped the detent in and realized I didn't have the grip so I set down the lower to go dig up a grip to use temporarily and came back and "poof" the detent was gone.  Never heard it drop.  I had an old t-shirt on top of the neoprene cleaning pad on my bench so I'm assuming it hit that quietly and then sauntered off.  (That and my bench looks like some reloader nutball put everything he owns on it)  So it might reappear some day.
I ordered a couple "emergency" pin kits with most everything for the lower.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: BarfingMonkey on Tuesday September 28, 2021, 05:56:12 PM Eastern
A bit off topic, but I found this series and wanted to tell people about it.  If you haven't seen it, give it a shot.
Mr. Inbetween - kinda like a real world john wick'ish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEFd9MNnMLc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEFd9MNnMLc)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday September 28, 2021, 08:19:13 PM Eastern
A bit off topic, but I found this series and wanted to tell people about it.  If you haven't seen it, give it a shot.
Mr. Inbetween - kinda like a real world john wick'ish



I remember seeing the promos for that, never did watch it. Maybe I'll check it out now that it can be binged instead of waiting for a new episode every week
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday September 29, 2021, 08:51:56 AM Eastern
Mr. Inbetween is bad.ass!! Must see Tv, imo.. Sad it ended though.  :-(
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday October 04, 2021, 12:07:57 PM Eastern
Yet another installment of...."As Rich's Reloading World Turns"...


I was at Cabella's in Gainesville yesterday for the first time in more than a year and only the second time ever.  I was in the area so decided to drop in.  Wandered around the gun area for a while, perusing the reloading section.  I was surprised they did have some reloading stuff.  No powder or primers, but they did have quite a few dies, some actual presses (Lee & Hornady single stagers), quite a few bullets, lots of accessories.  They actually had a box of genuine .338 Lapua brass (of which I have no need).  But....it cost $329 for a box of 100 shells.  For crimany sakes man!
Another shopper walked by and asked "Any Primers?.  Yeah right buddy.  Then a clerk walked up and asked what were looking for and the other shopper said shotgun primers.  Clerk said "I just got some in", so I asked about Rifle primers and he asked if I were psychic because they just were unloading a truck outback that had the first rifle primers of any kind he's seen in 9 months.
They only had Federal Large Rifle Magnum, but I bought a brick for $73.  They limited me to just one, but I would have only bought one, cause other folks need them just as bad as I do, and I don't shoot as much big uns as I do the little uns.
I then asked if they had any rifle powder and the guy says "What are you, psychic?"  Just got some in....SO, I bought 2 pounds of CFE223 which is the only rifle powder they had and limit to 2 pounds.  Never used the CFE before.  I asked why they didn't have it on the shelf and he said it never makes it to the shelf - they get it off the truck and don't even get it unpacked before people start asking about it.  I guess my "twinge" to go in that day was a good one.


Went home and loaded up 10 rounds of 26gr of the CFE (on the lower end of the data).  My press is still set up for 223 so only had to adjust the powder drop.  Test fired those ten - all fired well.
Bumped to 26.5 and loaded 25 more.  Test fired in two guns all flawless.  Went back and loaded about 200 more.


Twas a good day in the reloading world.  :)





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday October 04, 2021, 12:21:05 PM Eastern
While I was at Cabela's wandering the gun area, I noticed they had about 10 employees working the gun area.  At least 6 of them were helping customers purchase guns.  I noticed a group of 4 young people (let's say young twenties) talking to one clerk and filling out paperwork - one of the young ladies was purchasing a semi auto hand gun.  I wondered if she had any experience or training and heard her ask "does it come with any bigger bullets or just the one size?"  I looked at the clerk and he smiled at her and said he'd help her get the right ones.  I walked away shaking my head....hoping he hadn't sold her a chrome plated 45 to start her off.  Okay, I know it wasn't (chrome, at least) - I saw it sitting there and it was a black semi auto of mid size, so hopefully a 9mm or 380 or something.  She was a very petite young lady.  I realize everyone starts somewhere with their first gun, but I wondered at the salesmen and his thoughts of selling the young lady a gun she obviously knew nothing at all about.  Hope she is wise enough to seek out some training.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday October 04, 2021, 12:46:10 PM Eastern
yep, gotta start somewhere, but I really don't think a .380 is it. All of the dates I've taken to the range were very comfortable with .40 and .45 auto, even in a S&W Shield. The only things I've got that a date hasn't shot is the .454, .480 and .50ae. I even had one that shot my ruger only .45 colt loads.


Then there was one that was scared to shoot the garand. I finally coerced her to fire it and before I could say anything the clip had popped out. I handed to her with a full clip in it.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday October 18, 2021, 10:07:10 AM Eastern
Went old school this weekend...well about 20 minutes worth anyway.  Busy with chores.


shooting 38 spcl rounds (158 FP) out of this is sweet.  No kick, not at all loud but thumps the target well enough.  Lever action is fun to shoot.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday October 25, 2021, 03:10:03 PM Eastern
Went "new school" this weekend...AR-7.62x39
Finally got the "flash hider" in (actually Witt Machine's "muzzle rise eliminator") to complete this build (well, so far anyway).  Other than not all the FDE parts being the same color, I am very happy with this build.  It shoots much better than I expected.  Not a single malfunction, jamb, or feed failure of any kind so far, using 4 different cheap ammos so far; Tula (steel), Mesko brass (Yugoslavia), ZSR brass cased, MaxxTech Essential (steel).  All have cycled well without issue.  Gong's the gong every time.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday October 25, 2021, 05:11:21 PM Eastern
the only problem with using different colors from different manufacturers is they don't all use the same exact shade, except for black
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday November 01, 2021, 01:10:30 PM Eastern
And yet another installment....


Loaded some "new" powder this weekend.  Russian made supposedly closely similar to IMR 4064.  It looks fugly, but it worked just fine.  I'd guess I'd call this a square flake powder?  Bigger chunks than ...well anything I've used so far but it worked just fine.  Started at lower end of load, made/fired 5 rounds and all fired well.  Then 10 & same result, then 30 more and quick mag dump.  Worked well and I'd say mid range load - even though I'm at the bottom of the "estimated" load data.  It expelled my brass very uniformly to 4 o'clock position and not quite coffee can uniform, but prolly 5 gallon bucket would have caught 42 of the 45 shells.  I loaded couple hundred rounds but didn't fire anymore.
I did notice it fills the small 223 cartridge almost to the top and as the press progressed through stages, it would shake down a bit in the brass.  I did not have any trouble metering it (I checked about 10 times - every 25 rounds or so) and checked the weight was spot on.  I had one that the shell was full to top so I dumped it and did again - and this happened 5 times in a row. I measured it 5 times ands the weight was spot on.  Not sure if there was some dried crud inside the brass taking up space or what, but it was a little unnerving so I just tossed that piece of brass.  This powder is bigger pieces and seems a little big for a small 223 shell, but it fired nicely.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday November 01, 2021, 01:23:41 PM Eastern
I wouldn't say that powder is fugly, at least it's all uniform, based on the picture. I've not seen that shape before either, but it obviously works. Does it burn clean or dirty? Honestly, that question alone has been my driving choice in powders. If it burns dirty I won't touch it. A clean burning powder means less time cleaning things. During the shortages under obama, I was offered Blazzer ammo several times. I politely turned it down.


Did you ever figure out that .223/5.56 load?
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday November 01, 2021, 02:25:46 PM Eastern

Well you are right there, it is very uniform in size and shape, thickness, etc.  IT's just BIG.  I was loading at 23.1gr, but I'd bet I could not get 25gr in a .223 shell if I had to.  Literally when I started I thought my drop was off or something. I HAD it set at 25gr for the last (CFE) and just dialed it back until I got it at 23.0. Then I thought something was off because the cases looked so full.  I checked and checked and finally went and loaded 5 and then fired them.Seemed to be clean enough.  I mean I only fired 45 rounds or so, but I did not notice any stink or even a lot of smoke.  I have not checked the gun really.  I'd say at 1st glance not bad.  I'll clean the gun tonight -it was clean before those 45 rounds so we shall see.

Never solved the "other" powder issue, but then I never really went back to it yet.  I ran into couple pounds of CFE223 at Cabelas recently (which worked well for me) and I had a pound of 4064 which also was fine so I haven't gone back to the troubled one.  Still scratching my head - unless something was just off, I checked my notes and I started at the bottom and kept working up until I was getting flattened primers and some stuck cases and never got it to cycle reliably at any of the loads I tried from bottom up.


I actually bought the fugly "new" powder (Ft Smith FSP-749) and the troubled one (Ft Smith FSP-680) at the same time.  I intended the fugly one for .308 but found several .223 loads for it and it works fine so far.
I got a new Lyman book recently and it shows 223 load for the trouble "4198" also.  Gonna go back to it...some day, when I have more time.  can't seem to find more than couple hours to get in there and mess around.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday November 01, 2021, 02:45:00 PM Eastern
Id bet your "new" Russian powder was meant for bigger cases, like 7.62x54. Prolly would work fine in a .308. But, if it works for you it's good.
 

Fun fact of the day. The 7.62 X 54R(stands for rimmed, not russian) is the longest serving military cartridge ever. First fielded in the 1890s. Still in heavy front line use today.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday November 02, 2021, 05:39:22 PM Eastern
I thought the 54R was for Russian - even saw it posted somewhere recently as that (Hornady somewhere)


These PSA guys don't waste any time....I had not heard about Poopy Joe shitting himself when meeting the pope couple days ago, but PSA is already putting it on lowers - check out the safety selector marks  :lol:



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday November 02, 2021, 05:40:44 PM Eastern
And I kept seeing "Let's Go Brandon" everywhere and had to look that up.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday November 05, 2021, 05:08:05 PM Eastern
I thought the 54R was for Russian - even saw it posted somewhere recently as that (Hornady somewhere)

It was invented by the Russians, but it's a rimmed case, hence the R.

nother fun fact. This 1872 round was originally called the .45 Colt. It wasn't called Long Colt until 1904 when the .45 Auto Colt Pistol was made. It was an attempt to limit confusion between the two. Thus the the proper name is Colt, not Long Colt. Of course the reason we all know the .45 ACP is from the 1911 pistol. It's called the 1911 because that's the year the U.S. army adopted it as its standard side arm. The 1911 is based on earlier designs that date to 1890.



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday November 12, 2021, 11:36:59 AM Eastern
Anyone (which I guess means Alta) ever use any Norma ammo - Swiss



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday November 12, 2021, 12:46:26 PM Eastern
Anyone (which I guess means Alta) ever use any Norma ammo - Swiss
never used it, because its usually too expensive even when supplies are plentiful. I've only heard good things about their stuff though, and I do buy their brass for one caliber.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday November 12, 2021, 01:16:40 PM Eastern
never used it, because its usually too expensive even when supplies are plentiful. I've only heard good things about their stuff though, and I do buy their brass for one caliber.


On sale for Veterans day....Range/Training rounds


Norma .308 M80 ball   $264 for 400 rounds with an ammo can, free ship.. that's $.66/round which is about what it cost me to make it with used brass.


also 5.56x45 62gr FMJ $480/1000 rounds  (not great price but decent compared to "recent" costs)


9mm  124gr RN  $315/1000


guess I could have just pasted the link to be faster  :huh:


https://www.ammoshoponline.com/shop/?swoof=1&pa_ammocaliber=308-7-62x51mm,308-win-2 (https://www.ammoshoponline.com/shop/?swoof=1&pa_ammocaliber=308-7-62x51mm,308-win-2)


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday November 12, 2021, 02:31:15 PM Eastern
I never considered them for range ammo, I was always looking at their hunting/match ammo
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday December 13, 2021, 12:40:55 PM Eastern
I wouldn't say that powder is fugly, at least it's all uniform, based on the picture. I've not seen that shape before either, but it obviously works. Does it burn clean or dirty? Honestly, that question alone has been my driving choice in powders. If it burns dirty I won't touch it. A clean burning powder means less time cleaning things. During the shortages under obama, I was offered Blazzer ammo several times. I politely turned it down.


Did you ever figure out that .223/5.56 load?


Made some more ammo with the Russian powder.  Shot about 100 rounds with it yesterday.  Perfect cycling, no malfunctions whatsoever, accurate "enough" to be on target (shooting steel, not paper so no real accuracy testing, but rather just making sure the load shoots well enough)
Definitely dirty though.  Pics of bolt after 100 rounds.  Cleans easily as it nickel boron coated.  Barrel clean after a few passes too, so maybe it just "looks" dirty cause it shows on the nickel coating more?  Looks dirty to me though.  No real smoke or stink when firing.


But 23.1 Gr of these big flakes nearly FILL a .223 case...little scaring looking when you are loading.  And a a progressive press....when you cycle to the next station you get a few flake popping out when it snaps into next station.  This powder is really for the 7.62x39 and .308 but the .223 formula works well too.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 10, 2022, 04:56:01 PM Eastern
Americans bought 39 million guns in 2021.  First year in the last 20 that it did not increase over the previous year, but considering 2020 was a RECORD year with 39,695,315 that's not that surprising.  38.9 million sold in 2021.

What surprises me is the breakdown by state with Illinois purchasing 8,036,858 guns in 2021 (which is more than 20% of all the US guns purchased) with only about 8.6 million persons over 21 years old.  Roughly 197 million Americans over age 21, so Illinois' roughly 4 percent of the US +21 population purchased 20% of all US guns sold in 2021

Prolly cause there is so much hunting going on in Illinois.

Top 6 states in 2021:

Illinois      8,036,858
Kentucky  3,473,035

Texas       1,794,401
Indiana    1,698,198
California 1,351,076
PA           1,278,678


Texas is not surprising based on population, shear size, and...well, it's Texas.
California...well based on 23+ million of them over 21 then 1.3m guns is not so much...so less then 6% of the 21+ bought guns
whereas, Illinois is roughly 94% of 21+ population bought guns in 2021



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday January 10, 2022, 05:33:40 PM Eastern
Just to point out, there is no federal law against someone 18-21 from owning a handgun. The federal law as written says a licensed dealer can't sell a handgun to them. The assumption is they inherited or were gifted them from family. There's quite a few that buy hunting gear and range toys.




this also interesting, but I think the numbers are low Ö


https://alternatewars.com/Politics/Firearms/Count/AR15_Production.htm (https://alternatewars.com/Politics/Firearms/Count/AR15_Production.htm)


plus it only goes to 2017
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 10, 2022, 05:42:34 PM Eastern
Yeah, I ran the numbers for 21+ but 18+ was pretty close to same percentages.  I was just surprised at how high Illinois was.
Of course all those numbers are based on background checks so no telling what else actually went on "outside" the legal route.


I am surprised the leftist haven't jumped on the stats that 2021 was actually a reduction in sales for the 1st time in 20 years and claiming responsibility for reducing sales by creating gun laws and such.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday January 10, 2022, 05:47:00 PM Eastern
Yeah, I ran the numbers for 21+ but 18+ was pretty close to same percentages.  I was just surprised at how high Illinois was.
Of course all those numbers are based on background checks so no telling what else actually went on "outside" the legal route.


most places also only run one background check per purchase, itís not uncommon for a single purchase to involve 2-3 firearms. Thereís also the rare occurrence where a check is run and the sale doesnít happen.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 24, 2022, 10:57:54 PM Eastern
Updated a trigger in my current go to gun yesterday.  Rise Armament RA-535 Advance Performance 3.5lb.  Had it sitting around for some time and finally put it in.  For what it's worth...I'm a single stage guy and like a slight curve (not flat) trigger.  Bought this one on super sale quite some time ago.  Couldn't decide which gun to put it in, but decided my Aero is my favorite for now..
3.5lb  pull, VERY little takeup, very short reset.  Shot 90 rounds through it afterward; 30 each of PMC .223 55GR, Frontier 5.56 62 Gr, and homemade reloads 62GR w/Russian powder.  All fired well.


Man....I like it.  Didn't expect a big change in the trigger, but very very crisp.  I like the lighter pull and short take-up.  Super fast reset...well everyone swears this is super fast...but mostly I'm trying to stay on target.


Also swapped out the Magpul MOE grip to an ERGO grip.  I like the ERGO grips.  Soft on my girly hands


So this build is AERO M4E1 lower with MOE SL-S stock, PSA upper 16" mid-length, 13.5" lightweight M-lok handguard, Strike Ind. extended CH, Romeo5 Red Dot (plus the MBUS pop ups that came with the upper), Amaspec Stealth Recoil Spring, Toolcraft Nickel Boron BCG


This is my everyday shooter.  Like the Red dot very much, and the stealth recoil spring really does quiet down - no twang when firing and also no rattle when carrying or shaking the gun.  Also been happy with the Nickel Boron BCG - have that in three guns now.  Much faster clean and really easier to see for cleaning.


I have a WITT machine muzzle rise eliminator/brake which I have yet to install, which I also bought on super sale long time ago and read rave reviews on.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 07, 2022, 07:52:40 PM Eastern
Did some redneck stuff yesterday.  Slung some lead with two of my "boys"  18 & 20 year olds.  Had a little competition.  shot three different 9mm pistols, (2) AR-15 and (1) "AR-47" (7.62x39 AR platform).  Pistols are all open sites, the two AR's have Romeo Red dots, and the 7.62 is open sites.  Boys really like the Red Dots (as do I), makes for very fast target acquisition.
I won all the competitions  ;D .  Not saying much with this competition for sure, but we all had a good time.  Spent about (150) rounds of 9mm, (150) .223, and (120) 7.62x39.  Adds up to an expensive day, but a priceless one as well.


I am really very pleased with my 7.62 AR platform build.  It is fun to shoot and has been 100% reliable.  It has had exactly zero failures of any kind.  About 450 rounds through it so far - some brass but most TULA steel and some Maxtech steel.  I never used maxxtech, but it is lacquer coated and looks clean...for steel.  I only have a couple hundred rounds of it.


Some day I hope to get to a real range to shoot 200, 400 yds.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Monday February 07, 2022, 08:05:47 PM Eastern
The wolf steel cased is all lacquer coated and itís been around for a couple decades at least. Iíve never seen evidence that it caused a problem. There was some speculation years ago that it could cause sticky extraction but thatís all it was.


and running cheap(relatively) steel cased is the whole point of 7.62x39 in an AR. Back when you could buy a 1000 rounds for $150


A few years ago I put a Geissele SDC in one of mine just to see if I like the flat trigger. Iím still not a fan, it wouldíve been replaced a while ago, but, and then the shortages with the election, and then covid. Maybe this summer.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 22, 2022, 06:32:14 PM Eastern
Read an article today (American Rifleman) about "Marlin Rides Again".  Apparently when Ruger bid/bought/acquired Remington Outdoor...
they (Ruger) have now resurrected the Marlin lever action.  After several months of transition and re-tooling (mostly dumping old equipment) and Ruger engineers examining, they are rolling out new Ruger manufactured Marlin rifles.  Started with stainless model 1895 in .45-70.  Supposedly changed little in design except in fixing some quality issues and tightening up tolerances.  Test fires were from .85" to 1.9" groups with different ammo, averaging 1.3" groups at 100 yds.


I want one.  (Finally got my Henry .357 lever gun last year after waiting 20 years for one only to find the .357 doesn't have the side gate loading) :raised-eyebrow:   Still shoots really nice.


Anyway, not sure I want a .45-70 but, I would not mind a Ruger-Marlin.  Always wanted a Marlin and have several Rugers which have always performed very well for me.


https://www.marlinfirearms.com/s/model_1895sbl/ (https://www.marlinfirearms.com/s/model_1895sbl/)



$1399 MSRP  (ouch)


(I think I paid about $800-900 for my Henry All weather stainless - gonna have to go check)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 22, 2022, 06:42:55 PM Eastern
The msrp announced for a new product is almost always higher than the final price. Regardless, anything over $700(blued)-$800(stainless) for a brand new one is too much. If itís at $1000 it better come with a quality scope that can handle that recoil long term. Iím really surprised they relaunched with that caliber though.

Overall I expect prices to come down a bit as production and sales go up.

Iíve got a .45-70, I like it. I probably wouldnít have bought it after my shoulder issue.



and I thought Ruger only bought the Marlin assets. Iím pretty sure someone else bought Remington ammo and that line has already been restarted.


andÖ guess what magazine was in the mail this evening. The rifle looks nice. I like the bolt, you can tell which generation it is at a glance. Itís still not a $1000 rifle tho
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday February 23, 2022, 05:41:42 PM Eastern
I went back and looked at Henry website lists the MSRP for my gun at $1198, which I know I didn't pay, so you're right about the MSRP, generally speaking.


And the Henry "all-weather" is not stainless (like the Marlin), but rather satin finished chrome-plated steel.  (I don't care for the shiny finishes, but that's me)  I would think the stainless steel might cost a bit more, but probably any "specialty" finish just costs more.


I have no use for the .45-70 and yeah, I find it odd they started with that caliber.  I would think the Marlin crowd would go nuts for .30-30.  My Henry is .357 which I bought because of the Ruger stainless pistol and Dad's .38 special I already had.  Otherwise I'd of probably gone with a .30-30 or maybe the .44 mag or .45 LC

And yes, I agree...the bolt is nice.  I noticed that when I was looking yesterday.  I assume the twist has a purpose and not just looks, but I like it.
I also like that Ruger kept with the Marlin design and heritage and improved (hopefully) on the build and details.  They put the Marlin logo in the stock as well as MARLIN on the recoil pad.  Other than the serial number, I don't think the gun says Ruger on it anywhere.  Nice they kept it a Marlin

So many shooting options, so little time...(and money)

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday February 28, 2022, 06:19:51 PM Eastern
since nunya other rednecks and 'mericans keeping up with your gun-toting responsibilities....
I guess I will have to post....yet AGAIN.


My buddie's Palmetto AKV which is a 9mm; technically pistol, with a brace (although it sure feels like a carbine to me).  Built on basically a AK platform, but made in 'merica by Palmetto - and done so very well if this is the standard.


Shoots really well, and lots of fun.  I'm actually very impressed with it.  I like it much better than the Ruger 9mm carbine I have (which is a heavy pig for a pistol carbine IMO)


I don't really own anything in a AK platform, but this shoots really well.  Only problem is it has AK sights and apparently you need an AK sight tool to adjust (which I don't have).  The iron sights are off by a mile (okay about 5" left and 4" high at 100' - which is ALOT.


I put a Romeo5 red dot on this puppy and about 15 rounds to sight that in and we are off and running.  This thing is really fun.  35 round mag - which burns it up pretty quickly.  Went through 150 rounds in a few minutes.  Shot some basic factory 9mm 115RN stuff then two boxes of my home grown 115RN reloads.  Ate them all up without a single malfunction.


I really like it.  Offered to trade my "well established Ruger manufactured" 9mm Carbine straight up for it and my buddy just looked and me and smiled..."that's a big No there buddy"


Anyway...fun on the range.  I watched a few Youtube videos on this afterward and lots of gun folks rave about this thing.  Saw one guy shooting at steel at 200 yds (which sounds like a stretch for 9mm) but he was gonging it.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 02, 2022, 11:59:27 AM Eastern

it looks nice, itís still not a $1000 rifle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWh5E3LSsBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWh5E3LSsBA)



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday March 02, 2022, 05:31:02 PM Eastern
I like it, but I have no use for a .45-70.  No dinosaurs in my region.


Also, since I have a Henry all-weather model in .357 new last year (albeit no side gate)
and....


Totally unexpectedly and just yesterday....apparently I have acquired a Win model 94 30-30 Golden Spike commemorative edition.  My buddy walked in to my office yesterday and placed it on my desk.  "Here...I have no use for this".  His dad bought it new in 1969, hung over a mantle for decades and gave to him couple years ago.  It's never been fired.  He offered to trade it for a scope I have (which is "worth" about $500, but I bought on sale for $300 with the cantilever mount).  He does not have the box or any original paperwork, so that ding's the value, but I would not sell it anyway.
(We will of course take to our local FFL and transfer properly)
Winchester apparently made 70,000 of these so not exactly rare, but still cool.  Oldest and most unique gun in my collection.
Might just have to make a display case for this and hang in my office or something.  (or maybe just drive a couple nails in my stone chimney over the mantle :-)...if I had one)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday March 03, 2022, 07:56:31 PM Eastern
Ya rednecks ya.  :hearts:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday March 03, 2022, 08:04:30 PM Eastern
Ya rednecks ya.  :hearts:


you are more than welcome to post about fishing tackle and base boats


 :snicker:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday March 03, 2022, 09:17:56 PM Eastern

you are more than welcome to post about fishing tackle and base boats


 :snicker:


but only if you are blowing them up....otherwise post that shit in the boredom thread  :raspberry:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday March 15, 2022, 05:11:13 PM Eastern

you are more than welcome to post about fishing tackle and base boats


 :snicker:
:hearts:

but only if you are blowing them up....otherwise post that shit in the boredom thread  :raspberry:
8-0 :raised-eyebrow:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday March 22, 2022, 11:35:04 PM Eastern
ok fine, letís talk about fishing. Do Muskie taste good? Iíve never had it myselfÖ

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/03/catch-of-giant-muskie-breaks-25-year-old-record (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/03/catch-of-giant-muskie-breaks-25-year-old-record)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday March 24, 2022, 09:35:24 PM Eastern
ok fine, letís talk about fishing. Do Muskie taste good? Iíve never had it myselfÖ

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/03/catch-of-giant-muskie-breaks-25-year-old-record (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/03/catch-of-giant-muskie-breaks-25-year-old-record)


Well I don't know much about fishing, but ....
I didn't know Muskie were this far south.  I thought they were up Minnesota/Michigan way, and I had no idea they were that big.  That's an ugly specimen of a muskie too.  I looked online and they are generally much more colorful.  Is this color due to the region or....just a half dead fish?

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday March 27, 2022, 12:47:08 PM Eastern
Couldn't tell ya what they taste like. I don't eat any fresh water fish.. But there used to be some Musky in Lake Brittle (Vint Hill, Va) but I never saw one. Used to throw a gigantic buzz bait out there as a kid, from the bank, hoping to catch one.. lol
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 28, 2022, 03:40:56 PM Eastern
What do you know from Lake Brittle?   8-0   That's about 2 minutes from my office....(I'm in Vint Hill).  I go to the lake at lunch sometimes and enjoy the view.  There is a nesting pair of bald eagles there currently.  I see them probably couple times a week.

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 26, 2022, 06:45:15 PM Eastern
Where have all the rednecks gone?  (hum it to Van Halen's "where have all the good times gone"


Nobody posts in this thread anymore?




Palmetto cracks me up...new stripped lower (aka "ghost gun") if you are sleep Joe...



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 26, 2022, 07:51:39 PM Eastern
PSA always comes up with good roll marks. But I still have several lowers that need building, and 2-3 complete uppers I want to rebuild. Nothing but money..
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday April 27, 2022, 05:21:15 PM Eastern
I haven't had time for gun stuff lately.  Don't think I've touched the loading bench in ....well I guess I could look up the last time I posted in this thread ;D


I did get out the M&P 15-22 and put 100 rounds through it late Saturday.  Also have a GSG firefly 22 pistol which is basically a Sig knock-off.  I bought it cause it was cheap ($229) and it really does feel similar to my Sigs for grip and muscle memory training.  I like it, but had several failures yesterday.  Mostly all (seemingly) light hammer strikes.  Recocked and then would usually fire.  Not jambs or failure to feed.  Not sure if it's the ammo or what - didn't have that problem last time.  Ammo was some cheap Remington bucket ammo.


Anyway - Yee-Hah, some good ol' 'merican fun times.


Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday May 19, 2022, 04:52:01 PM Eastern

What am I missing that this .22 is worth $4000?

https://laughlinauctions.hibid.com/lot/118984552/remington-rifle?cpage=3 (https://laughlinauctions.hibid.com/lot/118984552/remington-rifle?cpage=3)


Very Nice Model 40X Custom .22LR Single Shot w/Leupold Rings, Beautiful Custom Stock w/Raised Cheek Piece, Wrap Around Checkered Forend w/Ebony Tip, 22" Light Barrel, 13.5" LOP, Comes with Hard Case, Note: Very Light Trigger SN:063696R (6/49)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday July 08, 2022, 02:59:06 PM Eastern
So really....Where have all the rednecks gone?  Somebody start talking guns already.  Don't make me break down and rehash reloading stories again.

And....WTF is up with Sleepy Joe and the ATF?  When did the ATF become Congress with the authority to write laws?  I'm not a huge 2A nut (I'm actually kinda dainty), but aren't they overstepping a bit?



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Friday July 08, 2022, 04:45:28 PM Eastern

What am I missing that this .22 is worth $4000?

https://laughlinauctions.hibid.com/lot/118984552/remington-rifle?cpage=3 (https://laughlinauctions.hibid.com/lot/118984552/remington-rifle?cpage=3)


Very Nice Model 40X Custom .22LR Single Shot w/Leupold Rings, Beautiful Custom Stock w/Raised Cheek Piece, Wrap Around Checkered Forend w/Ebony Tip, 22" Light Barrel, 13.5" LOP, Comes with Hard Case, Note: Very Light Trigger SN:063696R (6/49)



sorry I missed this, I have no idea why a glorified 700 costs that much


technically speaking, every gun law enacted since the 1934 NFA is unconstitutional
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 21, 2022, 07:33:45 PM Eastern
Since nunya else is posting in here....


Here's my new 'merican flag slide...

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 21, 2022, 07:44:52 PM Eastern
And while we're at it....Tuarus TX22 with the funky green splatter finish.
From what I hear, this is very accurate and reliable.  I've shot about 50 rounds through it and yeah....hit the gong every time.


I just thought it was cool and it was cheap and all reviews I read raved about the accuracy and reliability with all types of ammo.


I was shooting out of a bulk box of basic federal 40gr rounds.


I like it...but then...I like most guns.  I have a Beretta Neos 22 pistol I bought several years ago that I just don't like very well.  Weird grip angle and kind funky Star Trek looking gun.  I just never found it all that fun or accurate to shoot, despite the Beretta name and the relatively long barrel. 


Anyway, welcome the newest to my arsenal.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Thursday July 21, 2022, 08:55:59 PM Eastern
 sheit, I hit the gong from 10 feet away every damn time as well




 :lol:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday July 22, 2022, 02:59:28 PM Eastern
Well at least someONE is ready my rantings.. :wackysmile:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 26, 2022, 09:02:04 AM Eastern
Shot that little Taurus TX22 again this weekend - put about 75 rounds through it.  Very impressed.  Nice little gun.  Very accurate.  This time set up a 2.5" spinner target at ~70'....(shooting from a sitting position at a picnic table)
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 26, 2022, 09:06:36 AM Eastern
Also, now making these custom rounds for my very custom 223 chamber :huh:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 26, 2022, 09:13:17 AM Eastern
ah yes, the joys of making bottle neck rounds for the first time

those rely on neck tension to hold the bullet, ya canít put a crimp on them

 :huh:

Iím guessing it also helps to seat the bullet while itís in a die, just like straight walled cases



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 26, 2022, 06:07:34 PM Eastern
Actually I was attempting to set up Cam lock bullet puller on one of the stations to pull about 25 rounds, and as I was setting the depth I bumped the press handle and crushed the case.  It was odd that it came out so uniform.  I really just jammed the round up into the collet with no place to go.


Also....I have tried 3 times now (twice long ago and once last night) to set up this cam lock puller with no success.  It's tougher on a progressive because you can't really see the top of the shell casing at all.  I've watched Hornady setup video (on a single stage) as well as two others and I still just can't get it.  It seems very straightforward, and I followed the instructions to a T, but can't get it to work.  It's almost like the collet is just slightly too big and the top of the shell casing is slipping up into the collet (and I checked that I have the correct collet).  Also seems the overall length of the collet/die/etc is too long as I barely have the body threaded in and the center stem also all the way out and my casing is still nearly bottoming out before I have the ram all the way up....so it's pushing the shell up too far and I have everything backed off almost all the way out.  I noticed in the Ultimate Reloader video he is not pushing ram all the way up (handle down) when he is setting the depth, but to me, as you are moving from one round to the next if you pull the handle down too far (past where you set it up) then you will crush the case just like I did accidently.
So frustrating.  I ended up locking the cam on the bullet without the shell in the ram (shell holder) and just pulling the brass off the bullet with a pair of plyers - ultimately trashing the brass.  Most of these were reloads with an issue with the brass and it was only 20 or so, but ultimately I WOULD like to be able to use this properly and save all the components


I finally got it set to where it would get a good grip on the bullet when you lock the cam (compress the collet), but when I pulled the ram down, it wouldn't pull the bullet, it just slips off and scars the bullet.


 :raised-eyebrow: :huh:



Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 26, 2022, 08:26:12 PM Eastern
Thereís one advantage to starting with a single stage, you still have it around after you buy a progressive.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 27, 2022, 07:28:11 PM Eastern
So.....I went home last night after very long day and went back to the press and this cam locker puller and set it up in 3 minutes working the very first time.
I did NOTHING different than the previous three failures.  Pisses me off.  Now I have no bullets to pull.  I ended up pulling 20 perfectly good bullets just to test it repeatedly.  Worked every time on the first pull.  No damage to bullets or shells.
 :huh:


Apparently, I'm just not drinking enough.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 01, 2022, 06:25:27 PM Eastern
Wake up Rednecks....another episode of As Rich's reloading world turns.....

So...my absolutely favorite AR build failed me yesterday.  I finally got back to the loading bench and loaded some new powder (Accurate 2230) for .223 rounds.  Set up the press and loaded 10 rounds on lower end of data.  Took them out for test fire and fired fine, fully cycled, landed on target.  Went to fire the second round and no joy.  Re-charged the gun and out popped the new round....it had already fully chambered.  Fired again and same.  Third time I realized the gun was cycling fine, but the trigger was not resetting.  I could fire after each shot only if I pushed forward a wee bit on the trigger to reset it.  All 10 rounds fired fine, but no trigger reset.  I grabbed a mag of factory ammo and same thing. Hmmmmmm.

This gun has a Rise Armament trigger...a relatively high end one.  RA-536.  This is an factory assembled drop in trigger.  I absolutely love this trigger.  Very short reset, very crisp, nearly no take up.  This is a very fast trigger and to me (an admitted well experienced novice) a great trigger for my go to AR.

I opened the receiver and looked in and could not find an issue.  I tested the trigger/reset by hand and same issue.  Doesn't do it every time, but it would hang up.  I could see the back of hammer being pushed back to far and catching on the .....sear? If I pushed the hammer fully back and down by hand...it would catch every time.  If I pushed it just until it locked back, then trigger worked every time.


After a couple looks I saw a tiny spring and tiny set screw lying down in the bottom of the lower.  I thought a detent and spring fell out from somewhere and could not figure how that was possible.

I looked at the set screw and the allen wrench side of it they had filled with clear hard epoxy to prevent anyone tinkering with it.  I looked at the body of the trigger and apparently this spring and set screw is a fine adjustment to prevent the hammer from setting back (down) too far.

I went to the Rise Armament website and although could not get a schematic of the trigger assembly, I did see in the expanded "key features" details...the very last item:  "Note: The center set screw should not be tampered with.  Any attempts to modify the trigger will void the warrantly"
So I reached out to their help with an email with description and photos at 4:19 yesterday.  To my surprise, I received a response this morning with them offering to repair/replace at no cost and they sent me a packing list to include free shipping both ways.

I am disappointed that my trigger failed, but pleased at the response from RA.  I have read they had some issues with some of their products, but before purchasing this trigger, I saw nothing but good reviews and raves from users about this particular trigger.

So ended another day in the life....

and since I'm the only one using this thread....I keep humming "Dancing with myself" whenever I posting to myself here.  Hah! Now that damn song is stuck YOUR head
:raspberry:
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: alta on Tuesday August 02, 2022, 12:09:14 AM Eastern
Every manufacturer will make a lemon from time to time, as long as there arenít a bunch of reports on the interwebs about the minor defect Iíd say you got one. Rise has been around a few years and Iíve not heard bad things of them so this canít be a frequent thing.

When you say itís your go to, do you mean for the range or for zombies? A range toy can afford to have an issue now and then. Annoying but it wonít get you dead. If I were relying on it to defend life and property I think Iíd not use that type of trigger. Primarily I have Geissele triggers, very good product but pricey. I try to find them on sale. I also have a some of his wifeís triggers, ALG Defense, they are good too but a heck of a lot cheaper. Lots of very good triggers out there that donít cost Geissele money.
Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday August 02, 2022, 04:58:16 PM Eastern
My go to for ...everything.  Like to shoot it and it's my zombie gun too.  What's weird is absolutely never had a failure with this gun/trigger in about 500 rounds.  Then suddenly failure....I guess that happens when parts fall out.  After I removed the trigger (assembly) from the lower, I can see the screw/spring simply pushes downward force on front of bottom of trigger/sear which rocks the sear back from hammer just a tiny bit, keeping them out of contact.  Really, if they had not filled the set screw with some solid hard epoxy, I could have just screwed it back in.  Looks to me like they forgot the thread lock cause there is absolutely none on this set screw.  I could go to the hardware store and get one, surely voiding the warranty, but since they been so nice, I will just send it back and let them adjust it properly.





Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 08, 2022, 04:21:52 PM Eastern
Rise Armament sent me a brand new replacement trigger...received today.  Good customer service - they have not even received my old one back yet.
Woot  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
Post by: Mickstix on Monday August 08, 2022, 10:22:22 PM Eastern
Hey, I can hit the gong from 10' too!!  :rofl: 


Is that yer trigger there, or are ya just happy to see me?  :raspberry: