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newtoCapsparty:
Is anyone concerned that Beagle may likely be a casualty this off season? I quickly read through comments and have not seen much chatter about him. I thought he was valuable (journeyman, grinder, great work/practice ethic)...but now I'm getting the sense that he's 'old' and there just isn't enough money to keep him plus the younger players who show potential. Sad about it...hate to see players I personally like leave (spoken like a fan, of course, and not a member of the front office).
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: newtoCapsparty on Monday June 25, 2018, 11:05:16 PM Eastern ---Is anyone concerned that Beagle may likely be a casualty this off season? I quickly read through comments and have not seen much chatter about him. I thought he was valuable (journeyman, grinder, great work/practice ethic)...but now I'm getting the sense that he's 'old' and there just isn't enough money to keep him plus the younger players who show potential. Sad about it...hate to see players I personally like leave (spoken like a fan, of course, and not a member of the front office).
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We might still sign him. No chatter because he isnt a top tier player. I like the effort he puts into his game. But he is replaceable. Although we would miss him in the faceoff circle. I like him, just wish he had more skill. I'm not just talking offensively.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Monday June 25, 2018, 05:38:05 PM Eastern ---Holy cow, can Carlson give me a loan? :wackysmile: I was expecting the long term, but 8x8??? Yikees..
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Really? It was clear from the very beginning that this was the contract neighborhood in which he would be signed. It was an absolute guarantee that if Carlson didn't resign with the Caps, someone else would have given him at least $8 million AAV for 7 years.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: dpf1971 on Monday June 25, 2018, 03:55:17 PM Eastern ---OK ... nice list. First off let me say I'd love to have a bunch of these guys - but really, when you get down to it there are only a few tough guys on here that bring more OVERALL to the plate than Carlson. Some might have .... years ago. Chara, Webber, Kronwall, and Bieksa. Others are pretty much the same or near the same guy as Carlson but you'll never get them away from their teams or get them for the same money AND no NMC. Sutter, Hedman, Burns, Dougherty, Keith. And for the second section of your list - well most of those guys don't even come close to being as good at being an all-around defender. Sure McQaid will drop the gloves but he won't have half as many points, a ton more penalty minutes (something a top-4 defender can't have) and isn't nearly as mobile - ie. can't even get around on the ice that well. But I said shut-down guy right? I know, I did ask for those names - but in this day and age that the current game is - every guy has to be well-rounded. Carlson isn't perfect, I'll be the first to admit to it. But the game you want to be played doesn't exist or did; decades ago. But that second list I put up: Sutter, Hedman, Burns, Dougherty, Keith - in the minds of fans other teams, ie that doesn't watch Carlson 3 times a week, Carlson is probably a member of that list as well ... esp. after this year. He's in his prime and getting better, little by little, every year. We got him for market value - and we have him until we get rid of him or he retires. So why, other than he isn't going to get into any fights, are you bitching?
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Odd how you didnt bring up Olesniak, one of the top fighters in the league who "can skate, can't play, just fight" cracked the Hens starting line up and did a great job shutting us down. . .and for a 4th rounder too.
But back to Carlson, its because he is only a 4th forward. The simple fact the he finally played resoectable D in the last 7 games cannot logically Trump the last 7 months of the season or the whole of he is career.
This new Carlson ‘is one of if not the D best in league”, is the result of the Cup highd the off season hype, this soon to be gone trend of the offensive Dman/4th forward, and that people who watch this team 3 times a week don’t remember what a good Dman.
How people can forget the years, including this regular season of anti-Carlson statements here and even on broadcasts? Calling him out for loafing, bad passing, not blocking shots, letting the other team stand on Holtby because he won’t/can’t clear the crease? Hell Maaco was almost rum out of here just for saying he was the best D we had.
But a few games with minimal mistakes, a bunch of TV coverage about being a UFA and everyone hops on the "Carlson is one of the best bandwagon"? Like someone with all the faults above will play like he did in the last 7 games for 8 years? How does this make sense?
Come on you're comparing him with Sutter and Burns now. At the beginning of the playoffs you'd be laughing at anyone who said that. Hell he isnt even matched up against the other teams leading scorer half the time. The reason he has the points than them is that his primary role is offensive compensate for his mediocre defense, not because he is the best D man in the world.
People disagree with me now, but in 3-4yrs if not before people will hate this contract.
dpf1971:
--- Quote from: newtoCapsparty on Monday June 25, 2018, 11:05:16 PM Eastern ---Is anyone concerned that Beagle may likely be a casualty this off season? I quickly read through comments and have not seen much chatter about him. I thought he was valuable (journeyman, grinder, great work/practice ethic)...but now I'm getting the sense that he's 'old' and there just isn't enough money to keep him plus the younger players who show potential. Sad about it...hate to see players I personally like leave (spoken like a fan, of course, and not a member of the front office).
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I am confident, unless Beags wants otherwise, that he will be back. Now we do have a serious list of UFA's and RFA's to look at but lets be honest, Beagle is damn near the top of the list. Important RFA's - Wilson (he's the obvious #1 guy to resign off of both lists), Bowey, DSP, and O'Brien (I'm still hoping he turns into our 4th line left wing). Important UFA's - Kempny, Jerabek, Chiasson, and I'd put Sill on there just depth and b/c he's a serious hard worker. But out of the UFA's, Kempny is probably the only one getting looked at more than Beags - and he made league minimum last year, so you won't see him getting anything huge. But the big thing to remember is this; we sold Orpik and Grubbie so that Carlson's resigning only really cost us $1 million against the Cap and of all of these guys listed, only Wilson made more than $2 million a year so you won't see Chiasson making $5 million or something else radically stupid. Lastly though, remember - there are a few good UFA's out there too. We have a decent chunk of money to sign what we need, we still might find a discount out there that wants to join the Cup Champs.
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