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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Monday June 25, 2018, 03:58:49 PM Eastern ---
We have a bingo!
DC seems to think the path to the cup is with 4 lines of Tony Twist and 3 D pairings of Marty Mcsorley.
Not that I have any issues with tough guys.....love em, but you can't win with nothing, but tough guys.
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So are you really confusing defense and strategy to only fighting, or is this just a Mickey Mouse way to try to discredit me for not being on the bandwagon?
Anyway. just causre I enjoy sending sensitive people off to their safe spaces (Oh no! this goes against the trend! Mrt Bettmean doesn't want the game to be this mean! He wants all to be entertained and happy!)
heh I just live how his teammate immediately calls for the trainer while Kyte just lays there holding his head. . .
Be sure to read your "Last Post" thread while your in your in trauma after this display of Toxic Masculinity. I made it easy to find for you.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 26, 2018, 07:33:00 AM Eastern ---Because he is only a 4th forward. The simple fact finally played resoectable D in the last 7 games cannot logically Trump the last 7 months.
This new Carlson ‘is one of if not the D best in league”, is the result of the Cup high, this soon to be gone trend of the offensive Dman/4th forward, and that people who watch this team 3 times a week don’t remember what a good Dman.
How people can forget the years, including this regular season of anti-Carlson statements here and even on broadcasts? Calling him out for loafing, bad passing, not blocking shots, letting the other team stand on Holtby because he won’t/can’t clear the crease? Hell Maaco was almost rum out of here just for saying he was the best D we had.
But a few games with minimal mistakes, a bunch of TV coverage about being a UFA and everyone hops on the "Carlson is one of the best bandwagon"? Like someone with all the faults above will play like he did in the last 7 games for 8 years? How does this make sense?
Come on you're comparing him with Sutter and Burns now. At the beginning of the playoffs you'd be laughing at anyone who said that. Hell he isnt even matched up against the other teams leading scorer half the time.
People disagree with me now, but in 3-4yrs if not before people will hate this contract.
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Sorry DC but I disagree with your assessment. Especially the 4th forward. Carlson is alot more than an offensive defenceman. Not sure why you have it engraved in your head that he is. I happen to like a lot of the guys on your list but not all if them are shutdown dmen. InfactmCarlson is better defensively than some of those players that you listed. Most of those guys play a more physical style but arent necessarily good defensively. Burns is far from a shutdown dman, so is Phanuef. I also found it odd that you have Keith on your list. He is more the type of dman that you dont like. Not a shutdown guy. He also isn't really a physical guy. He can be a bit dirty with his stick though. I figured you would like Seabrook more than Keith.
I love the physical dmen but they dont all have to play like that. For some reason you have it in your head that Carlson is nothing more than a 4th forward. Like I said, without vCarlson we dont win the cup.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Tuesday June 26, 2018, 09:15:30 AM Eastern --- Sorry DC but I disagree with your assessment. Especially the 4th forward. Carlson is alot more than an offensive defenceman. Not sure why you have it engraved in your head that he is. I happen to like a lot of the guys on your list but not all if them are shutdown dmen. InfactmCarlson is better defensively than some of those players that you listed. Most of those guys play a more physical style but arent necessarily good defensively. Burns is far from a shutdown dman, so is Phanuef. I also found it odd that you have Keith on your list. He is more the type of dman that you dont like. Not a shutdown guy. He also isn't really a physical guy. He can be a bit dirty with his stick though. I figured you would like Seabrook more than Keith.
I love the physical dmen but they dont all have to play like that. For some reason you have it in your head that Carlson is nothing more than a 4th forward. Like I said, without vCarlson we dont win the cup.
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I validated the majority of that list (that I came up with) with the only obectional public scouting report I
know of:
Keith Scouting Report
Then here is Carlsons, which supports much if what both of us say:
Exles at shutdown, vs efficient at shutdown
Who would you rather have against the other teams top scores, particularly in tie or with a lead?
KitFisto:
Some of the guys on your list take themselves out of position just to try to lay a big hit. Not many players are "perfect", but Carlson's defense has gotten better than you give him credit for. Or do only fights and big hits count as playing defense? Did you like Alzner? I don't remember how you felt about him. He was very sound defensively, but didn't lay big hits or fight. He'd lost a bit his last year here, but he was very sound most of his career.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Tuesday June 26, 2018, 12:42:46 PM Eastern ---Some of the guys on your list take themselves out of position just to try to lay a big hit. Not many players are "perfect", but Carlson's defense has gotten better than you give him credit for. Or do only fights and big hits count as playing defense? Did you like Alzner? I don't remember how you felt about him. He was very sound defensively, but didn't lay big hits or fight. He'd lost a bit his last year here, but he was very sound most of his career.
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I was an am a big Alzner fan. That injury last year took a toll on him, but before than he excellent against the other teams top scorers, blocks, not letting the goalie be screened, and not committing turnovers.
I will prefer quiet consistent play like that over the high risk high reward of having a Dman routinely pinching, getting caught to deep in the offensive zone, making risky passes, or the other liabilities that come with using a defenseman as a large part of your offense (patricualrly when the forwards covering for them are not great defensively
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