2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves

[Chaos43]

If it were me, I'd get rid of Carlsons contract. He doesn't bring anything that can't easily be replaced defensively, and we've had guys fill in at PP1 QB that did just as well there to. Keeping Seigs would've been that answer, at least for a year or two until a couple guys in Hershey are ready.

     Carlson can't be replaced.  I don't understand why you think he could be easily replaced.
   Maybe you haven't been watching this team the past few weeks because our dcore has been brutal defensively. Carlson has been as good or better defensively than any of our other dmen. Chara and Dillon have been very bad. Schultz hasn't been very good either but you would expect that from him.
    Carlson is better defensively than you give him credit for.

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Carlson can be replaced, and for a lot less money

[Chaos43]

Carlson can be replaced, and for a lot less money

     We could could get a guy for alot less money but there is no way in hell the guy is replacing Carlson. Like I said you aren't giving him enough credit.

[BlackIce]

The traditional way that contending teams try to improve themselves for the playoffs is to acquire players who shore up the team's perceived weaknesses.  Most of the deadline acquisitions have adhered to this model.


But there is another way to attempt playoff success.  And that is to try to take a perceived strength and strengthen it even further, to try to create a tipping point where one aspect of your game becomes so unstoppable that you can bend games to your will with that one aspect, no matter how other aspects of the games play out.


I don't know if the Caps deliberately tried to follow this latter path, or if the Mantha acquisition simply fell into their laps, for both now and the future, partially because of Vrana's unhappiness.  But the Caps' major weaknesses this season would seem to be (1) Defensive acumen; (2) lack of face-off prowess; and (3) no playoff experience in net.  And the moves the Caps made addressed NONE of these.  Instead, they have become tougher and more powerful on offense, which has been their calling card.  Watching the highlights of the Philly game tonight, it looked as if the Philly team defense was repeatedly forced back to their net and out of position by the forward impetus of the Caps' attack.  They simply couldn't handle the strength of the Caps.


It is going to be fascinating to watch how the Caps try to ride this strength and offset their team weaknesses throughout the playoffs.

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I think the trades they made were forced by the Vrana situation. But Lavi seems happy with the D pairings despite what we see at times. His refusal to play Siegs and TVR show this. I'm ok with the goalie situation. This team gets plenty of pressure because of the expectations with OV on board, I don't think the playoffs will be much different in that respect.

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     We could could get a guy for alot less money but there is no way in hell the guy is replacing Carlson. Like I said you aren't giving him enough credit.

opinion A verses opinion B, both are valid, no reason to keep beating one of them

[alta]

I like it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/

[Chaos43]

opinion A verses opinion B, both are valid, no reason to keep beating one of them

    Tell you what.  Why don't you name some guys that can replace what Carlson brings. There might be a handful of guys but none are likely available.

[Mickstix]

I like it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/

Play the song!   


Carlson talk is irrelevant, cause they aint trading/moving/losing him. They just aint. 

[Chaos43]

Play the song!   


Carlson talk is irrelevant, cause they aint trading/moving/losing him. They just aint. 

      I agree. Not sure why we are discussing it.

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It was mentioned because the Caps NEED to dump salary. There is no disagreement on this. The problem is which contract to dump that won't cost them a similar amount of money to replace. That narrows it down quite a bit.


and keeping Seigs could've worked.

[Chaos43]

It was mentioned because the Caps NEED to dump salary. There is no disagreement on this. The problem is which contract to dump that won't cost them a similar amount of money to replace. That narrows it down quite a bit.


and keeping Seigs could've worked.

      It would be nice to free up some salary. And would have also been nice to keep Seigs. I know the moves we made were to free up space to fit Mantha.
     I have no clue how we are going to be able renew any contracts when the time comes.
       If we were going to give up one of our core players to dump salary I'd rather they move Kuzy or Orlov.

[Mickstix]

I'd expect Dillon or Schultz (or Kempney) could be salary dumps when the need arises. Doubtful they'll move any home growns.

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The frozen salary cap kinda dictates they need to dump a tad more than $5M. If the cap wasn't frozen the last off season and at least the next two it wouldn't have put the team in such a bind. But they had to expect problems the way they've been right up against it the past couple years, pre wuhan flu.

[richkrt99]

I like it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/

I'm good with that.  $1.5 for Sheary is fair deal.  He was a bargain this year at $735k


Although....the article is somewhat misleading in saying the Caps have $12m left in cap space for 2021-22.  That's not counting OVI, Groot, the King, and Samsonov.
That's more than $12m in contracts right there.


We are OVER the cap by $200k this season with Kempny and King L on LTIR saving $4m in cap.


Paying Mantha 5.7m (and I know it's an inherited contract) sure does make Big Willy's 5.1 look like a steal to me.  I think the NHL owes Willy about $2m per year in downgrading his value with all the bad juju they have put on him.


It has to be a D that gets moved IMO.  I am assuming Orlov. (my choice)  I would just leave him unprotected and see if that resolves it.  (although you lose a guy and get nothing in return)
Kuzy or Carlson would reap the biggest cap savings, but we are already short on Centers so doubt they move Kuzy.  No fucking way they move Carlson.  $8m is a lot for him, but they would miss him for sure and he's another golden child.
If they plan to keep Chara....oofah, what would he play for?  I hope they don't move Dillon as he is I think our most Defensive D and he's only 3.9m.  SHulz if 4.0, but he fits the system well.  Kempny is 2.5 so relative cheap, but who knows how well he can play at this point.
I really wish they had kept Ziggy and moved someone else to save $800k.  Hell they're not playing TVR, why didn't they move him for the same $?


Ovi is going to want at least $11m, so that leaves just under $1m to sign Sammy, Groot, & the King without moving someone.


Freezing the cap hurt alot of teams...and players contracts.  Hope the players realize that when it comes time to negotiate.

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this means Sammy is fine...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/16/capitals-re-assign-craig-anderson-to-taxi-squad-zach-fucale-to-ahl-hershey/

[BarfingMonkey]

We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.

[Surreylily]

We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.

I soooooo hope not     

[BlackIce]

We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.

I can see where the Sheary deal threatens Oshie.  (Ovie/Backstrom/Sheary/Eller/Kuzy/Mantha/Wilson protected).  The question on the forwards is probably whether to expose Eller or Oshie.






BUT  I don't see how that necessarily means that Oshie is gone.  There are too many moving parts in the expansion draft.  Too much depends of what other teams leave exposed, what Seattle's talent evaluators value, what Seattle will need to do WRT their draft salary floor and salary cap, etc.


On defense, I presume Carlson and two out of Dillon, Orlov, and Schultz are protected.  Schultz may be the most likely to get one of those two spots because RHD are so highly coveted and the Caps' best upcoming prospects are LHD.

As far as I know, we are "set" in goal.  Samsonov is protected, Vanacek is draft-exempt, and Copley is our required exposed goalie (I'm certain that was the reason Copley was signed to a two-year contract after last season, to be the required exposed goalie.)

If you were Seattle, would you want a soon-to-be-35 Oshie at a $5.75 million cap hit for the next 4 years, a 30-year-old Orlov, say, at a $5.1 million cap hit for the next two years, or a 30-year-old Dillion at a $4 million cap hit for the next, what, 3 years?

[richkrt99]

I agree with BlackIce.


I think signing Sheary to a short term (2 year) inexpensive contract makes him somewhat attractive to the expansion draft.  IF he were chosen that's a virtually no risk situation for Seattle.  If he doesn't pan out it's one year.  If he does, it's a cheap deal and they could resign him later.  I don't believe that's why the Caps signed him...I think he has fit in fairly well and that's a pretty bargain salary these days.


Oshie on the other hand is a much bigger question mark.  We all know that contract is going to start to smell in later years of it.  It was a pretty friendly deal dollars wise for his talent in the early yeasrs, but especially with the way he plays the game, I could see his latter years coming with a big drop in production.


I really would like to see both stay, but I would like a lot of things I can't have.  Losing Oshie would help our Cap situation more than any other forward (that will be exposed)


And as BlackIce said....WAY too many moving parts that are unknown to really know what Seattle will do.


They DO have to select one Caps player so who do you WANT that to be?  With Panik and Vrana gone...that's two less to worry about.


I expect some of the "other" guys brought in are up for grabs...Raffl...


You can only protect 7 & 3 +1 goalie so...


Ovie
Backy
Kuzy
Wilson
Mantha

Oshie
Eller
Sheary
Sprong

Dowd
Hathy
Haggs
Raffl


I'm protected the top 5, 2 of the next 4 and leaving the bottom 4 exposed.  Although I probably protect Eller in that he is a Center which we are short on this team.  Honestly I'd hate to lose almost any of them, but someone is gone.


On D I likely protect
Johhny Q Dylan Norris Carlson
Dillon
Jensen  (although I really can't figure if Jensen is worth keeping sometimes)


Kempny isn't eligible due to LTIR
Charra....not signed so not protecting
Shulz - odd man out
Orlov - salary cap leads me to expose him, and he runs hot & cold so...
TVR - meh, don't know enough about him to know better

We shall see what this list looks like as we get toward end of season.