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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Wednesday February 27, 2019, 09:22:28 AM Eastern ---Ah, moving the goalposts again, are we??
Note when I described and used +/- it was over a period of several years, which is what is needed to stabilize a variable stat like +/-. And of course you used Doughty's +/- this year, which is his first bad one after a stellar career where he has basically been plus after his rookie season. Maybe he has lost a step and is starting to slip; I don't know -- it will take longer to make a judgment on that. And yes, I'm sure that part of his issue is Jonathan Quick's deterioration this year, though their backup is 3rd in the league. But it MAY WELL BE just a 1-year aberration.
Similarly, you bring up good ol' Jeff Schultz and his one aberrant +/- year. Actually, he was a pretty good positional defender back then, and a good complement to Mike Green at the time, but positioning was all he had, and by a few years later the league had passed him by because of the increasing league emphasis on letting speed win out. It got to the point where Schultz couldn't compete.
As for Kuzy, HIS +/- this year might actually be fairly indicative of what he has been; a top-line center with a lot of talent, and talent around him, who has also been pretty inconsistent in his play AND has garnered a lot of his stats on the PP, which doesn't count in +/-, so he ends up basically an even player (I consider +6 over 60 games basically even, especially for a guy who plays as many minutes as he does.)
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The goal post was never moved, you just don’t know where it was or what it is.
And you clearly, don’t understand the stat regardless of it just being spoon fed to you, which proves you don’t know the sport as you claim to and act like, yet your to naive and stuck up to realize that.
I was even cordial, showed examples, gave you the history, a provided a link to that supports everything I said. Yet you reply with a weak attack, and repeating you’re inaccurate opinion driven faux subjective analysis. Which “clearly implies”, you have no objective data, you’re point is based on bad diagnosis and can’t see or won’t admit. Or, you’re just trying to piss me which is fuckin amusing . . .
But hey, we know you your just trying to use the worst stat in sports to support the trendy myth that if you fight you can’t play, and defenders that aren’t puck movers have no place in the game. So you ignore/ don’t see all other factors to contrary and to use an obsolete to support the cult-like trend you signed up for
So, start a thread where back your diagnosis up on how the +/- stat is worthwhile and useful, and watch everyone who actually know what they’re talking about, rip youre theory to shreds.
justwincaps:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday February 26, 2019, 07:56:21 PM Eastern ---Not at all, You just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about in the least, Let alone knot what makes a good player.
Really how the fuck long have you followed this sport? Because you talk shit to try tibsound like you’ve followed it for decades, but what you say shows you’ve followed it for 5 fuckin minutes.
Save us the pathetic attempt to deflect and not answer the easy questions that destroy you’re bullshit cause they’re completely transparent
You don’t wanna face the fact that you don’t know the hell you’re talking about and you’re to naive to realize that.
Really the bullshit you just tried to sell me is EA Sports Special Olympics Hockey shit, and hs nothing to do with the NHL.
I’ve told you before: participate, learn, discuss, but don’t for a second think you know more than anyone here, particularly after you site +/- as a credible stat.
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DC -
I've been on this board and the prior for years and generally enjoy reading your posts. I don't always agree but do feel like you bring a certain perspective and knowledge base to the discussions.
But when you tee off on people who, BlackIce in particular, in my opinion have been respectful in their posts, it's disappointing to say the least. There have been other posters who were simply jackasses in their posts and deserved being taken to the woodshed.
I agree that the +/- is, in isolation, a dubious metric. What I don't agree with is your disagreeing with a respectful poster so disagreeably. I am not a moderator nor do I purport to be the conscience of this board. What I do know is that I stopped following HF boards because the posters their couldn't post their opinion without someone ripping their heads off.
This board is constructed of Washington Capitals fans. We have more in common than disagreement. We all want to watch another downtown parade this June. We may disagree on what we need to do to get there, but this family should be able to do so respectfully so long as you are treated respectfully.
If someone is an asshat in their posts, I'll either be right behind you or even in front of you calling them out. I have never seen this with BlackIce and think your responses have been over the top.
Mickstix:
He just hangry, needs his snickers bar! :snicker:
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: justwincaps on Thursday February 28, 2019, 10:56:34 AM Eastern ---DC -
I've been on this board and the prior for years and generally enjoy reading your posts. I don't always agree but do feel like you bring a certain perspective and knowledge base to the discussions.
But when you tee off on people who, BlackIce in particular, in my opinion have been respectful in their posts, it's disappointing to say the least. There have been other posters who were simply jackasses in their posts and deserved being taken to the woodshed.
I agree that the +/- is, in isolation, a dubious metric. What I don't agree with is your disagreeing with a respectful poster so disagreeably. I am not a moderator nor do I purport to be the conscience of this board. What I do know is that I stopped following HF boards because the posters their couldn't post their opinion without someone ripping their heads off.
This board is constructed of Washington Capitals fans. We have more in common than disagreement. We all want to watch another downtown parade this June. We may disagree on what we need to do to get there, but this family should be able to do so respectfully so long as you are treated respectfully.
If someone is an asshat in their posts, I'll either be right behind you or even in front of you calling them out. I have never seen this with BlackIce and think your responses have been over the top.
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Understood, and I apologize to you, as you are a very valued member here.
We started this site and maintain this site with hockey/Caps knowledge and fandom first and foremost, and being extremely loose on censorship etc,, kinda like the 400 section used to be 10-15 years ago. You can say damn near anything you want, but you gotta know what you’re talk about, be able to back it up, and willing to learn if you don’t, can’t, or aren’t. . . well 😇
Besides, I’ve gotten a lot nicer over the years 😁
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Thursday February 28, 2019, 11:14:09 AM Eastern ---He just hangry, needs his snickers bar! :snicker:
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Eww, processed carbs, sugar, and junk. . What J need my Jack Daniels and/or Hopslam 😁
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