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Mickstix:
Carlson doesn't fight (and may even fear that part of it, who knows) but outside of fighting I don't see a reluctance to avoid being physical. He doesn't go out of his way, but have you ever seen the guy get pissed off? He's a big boy and can put your dick in the dirt when he feels necessary.. Does he get pushed around? I don't recall it.. The delay of game? We start picking apart dumb penalties by the Caps and we'll be here a while.. To me anyway, he's made leaps and bounds from the "Dylan" days. Dude is just a straight up legit defender who's got a very high offensive side to his game as well.. Money well spent, so far, imo..
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: ArJunaZ on Monday January 06, 2020, 04:58:56 AM Eastern ---I found the game still available on livestream and recorded a couple segments off my screen with my phone. I think it came out pretty good.
Here is the Carlson delay of game penalty.
I'm not going to say he couldn't have done better, but he was under some pressure there.
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First off, thank you AJ for finding the clip. I tried looking for a clip this morning, and failed, as it was late and I went to bed right after I made my post earlier.
In short, I really appreciate you saving me the time, And effort, as I see That the only way to review it again, for me and my technology here at my home, Would be to watch the second telecast of the game at 12 noon on Comcast sports today! Thanks again👍
OK, now on to my comments.
Well, I have to admit, there actually WAS more pressure on him, along the boards, just prior to his pass, AND, the threat of a big hit WAS imminent, just after his release of puck. Basically, my memory had recalled a “softer” event, than the reality of it, upon closer inspection.
There are a couple points I’m going to make here so follow me.
I think that Carlson actually handled the first part pretty well, prior to him regaining control of the puck. In fact, I NOW believe he was HELD, and a penalty should have been called! Then, at least we would have had OFFSETTING penalties, as the refs would have allowed play to continue, since Carlson had possession, immediately after the holding, and THEN, he would have received the delay of game! Offsetting penalties would have been better, although, permit me to quickly reflect for just a second, that it would not have mattered because we had a very emotional WIN, which although I didn’t choose to address it, is the bigger story in the overall picture
The replay video does change my mind that what Carlsen did, in this instance, is more understandable, from merely a human perspective, however, I feel that it also helps my narrative, in that the video shows clearly, in my opinion, that it was the imminent HIT, that was just about to come, in that short instant, when Carlson had SOLE possession of the puck, he actually SAW it coming for just a split second, prior to his release
If Carlsons’ puck release, at THAT exact moment, resulting in the UNINTENDED, and WAYWARD, puck path, doesn't EPITOMIZE, what an afraid and panicked defenseman does, then I don’t think any other example in history could rise to that level, if that’s not the bar of proof!!
So that I don’t double, and triple over myself, I will go into more detail when I address Blackices’, response to my post. He makes some fair points, but there’s a lot there to digest in his post and it’s gonna take me a little time.
I’ll be addressing Micks post, as well, as it’s quite persuasive to me! (As usual, he’s always persuasive!)👍👍
Again, AJ, thanks for putting that replay out for me, you’re always good like that!,👍👍😀😀
Rush
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Monday January 06, 2020, 09:28:54 AM Eastern ---Carlson doesn't fight (and may even fear that part of it, who knows) but outside of fighting I don't see a reluctance to avoid being physical. He doesn't go out of his way, but have you ever seen the guy get pissed off? He's a big boy and can put your dick in the dirt when he feels necessary.. Does he get pushed around? I don't recall it.. The delay of game? We start picking apart dumb penalties by the Caps and we'll be here a while.. To me anyway, he's made leaps and bounds from the "Dylan" days. Dude is just a straight up legit defender who's got a very high offensive side to his game as well.. Money well spent, so far, imo..
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Leave it to you, Mick, to REEL ME BACK IN a bit, (pardon the pun)! You’ve done it successfully before, with me, especially when I get a little too, “old school emotional”, sometimes!😁👍👍
Thanks buddy. I can’t really disagree with much in your post, at all, in that I DO agree, and have posted before, that Carly, will show some pissed off roughing around, when he’s been made angry! So I guess that’s proof that he actually DOES have it in him deep down in the recesses of his mind somewhere.😁 it’s probably just a little too few and far between, for my taste!
The board can easily witness, since the start of the season my see-saw attitude with John Carlson! LOL! It really is what it is, for me!!
It’s hard to warm up to him, although I know he’s very valuable.
It’s almost like, if my negative, towards JOHN Carlson, were a compulsive addiction, in light of his otherwise great offensive contributions, then I’m probably right in the middle of my time, at the addiction TREATMENT CENTER!😂🤣
As his overall value increases for the team, AS IT HAS, I find myself trying to balance, shaking off some of my older thoughts, while making room for the improved Carlson to marinate a bit! All I can say, brother, is it’s a process I’m working through!😁😁
On a much bigger view, I’m kind of hoping that this emotional game last night, May be a real positive turning point away from this general lull we’ve seen in the past few weeks!
With that exciting of a game, I can think of no better reason for our boys to want to turn things around👍👍👍
Thanks again, Mick!
Rush
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BarfingMonkey on Sunday January 05, 2020, 03:41:22 PM Eastern ---
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“(Lady) is just a small town (MD) girl, livin a lonely world. (DC $ is just a city boy BORN AND RAISED IN SOUTH DETROIT!!”
Heh I see what ya did there 🤣. No shit regardless of were I am, when that song comes on, I scream that line 🤘🤘
But I saw what ya did there 😁
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Monday January 06, 2020, 08:40:00 AM Eastern ---This will probably not get me a whole lot of love around here, but I'm going to come to John Carlson's defense.
As for Carlson's delay of game penalty, this was not a panic move on his part. Carlson moves the puck around the boards when he's caught behind the net to try to start a clear when he can't do it himself by using the boards and glass. And Carlson has been in the league long enough to understand the timing of NHL hockey plays. He know's he's going to get hit by Meier whether or not he releases the puck, because Meier is too close - Carlson is fair game for contact even a split second after release. What he DOES do by releasing the puck is get it up ice to where his teammates have a 4 on 3 manpower advantage. The most likely alternative, when being hounded 2 on 1, is giving up the puck in the defensive zone, earning Chicago more zone time at a point in the game where time is starting to become a factor.
Carlson didn't try to shoot the puck out to the rink there; he simply tried to play it off the glass and up the side, and got too much air under the puck. Maybe the puck flipped on him at the last millisecond or something -- I don't know. The issue here wasn't Carlson's attitude, it was his execution.
As for the extended rant about icing the puck when defending a 6 on 5 coming down the stretch, interesting you should mention that. It is EXACTLY what San Jose did after Vrana's goal, bringing the Caps back to the offensive zone for the play that set up Oshie's tying goal. Teams do it all the time, especially in the last minute of the game when protecting a 1-goal lead. Get the puck out of the zone at any and all costs, with the worst case being that some seconds are eaten up while the opponents chase the puck (since they are crowding the offensive zone anyway), and your presumed best defenders on the ice get a bit of a break while the puck is being retrieved. Don't forget, in the last minute of play you probably have your best defenders on the ice anyway, and they're going to stay out there until the horn sounds, so continuous play while the clock keeps running isn't always your best friend. And I cannot tell you how many times someone doesn't clear the zone when they have a clear shot at lambasting the puck, tries to make a play into the zone somewhere, the puck ends up NOT leaving the zone because the opponents are pressuring everything due to the game situation, and the opponents turn around and score it.
It is easy for us to criticize moves made by an NHL player while seated above it all. Things (1) look different when you are on the ice surface; and (2) are commonly supported by the player's experience of the best tactic having been through situations like this hundreds or thousands of times, as well as the organization's preference of what is to be done in such situations. If John Carlson weren't doing what the organization wanted during the last stages of the game, he wouldn't be on the ice in the last stages of the game. Think I'm kidding myself? Look how much time Ovechkin spends on the ice in such situations. Ovechkin's skill set is not good for protecting a late lead, so he doesn't see much ice time in those situations. Often times, Eller or someone like Dowd takes his place when Ovie's line mates are on the ice in those situations, giving the Caps better defense and two centers on face-offs in case one is thrown out of a face-off.
Carlson is not Wilson, or even Gudas. What he is, is a generally effective NHL defender who, because of his overall skill set, is recognized as one of the top defenders in the league, by people who know a lot more about the game than we do.
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Or get paid a lot more by the league than we do.
No way in HELL Carlson would be able to do this in anyday or age, he just ain’t good(or man) enough to do this
(I love how Kairya just lays there and quivers. That’s when you know you hit the enemy right )
At best, he’s a slower, OK low rent Paul Coffey that has Ovechkin to pad his stats. People act like hes fuckin Nick Lindstrom, and put him in the same class as Chara and Burns. . .
If he played for Arizona, would he have the same numbers and the team would be first in division because John Carlson? No way in hell.
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