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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2020, 05:54:02 PM »

I'm stocking 28 different calibers. I only reload for about half of those, mostly the hand guns.

I've got 1911s in .45 and 10mm. I bought one for the sole purpose of changing the caliber. I can't decide which though, .460 rowland or .38 super.


Probably end up doing the .38.












or the .460.



there's about 10ish others I'd like to get in lever and bolt gun, a couple more in hand gun, and there's about four more calibers for the AR I want to get




Okay...here's a stupid question...10mm sounds kinda nice for a 1911, but where'd you get one?  I mean I only looked at Colt, but they only sell in 10mm in the Delta Elite series.
I did see it (Gold Cup) in 38S, but then I'm like...what's the point.  I realize you get more velocity out of the 38S, but that sounds like a lot (well some) trouble for nothing.
Can you load the 38S with the same 9mm dies?  I would assume the diameter is the same, but you need to adjust for length....and I guess maybe the shellplate (or shell holder) is different?  Or is it?
Not like I'm getting either anytime soon.  I bought the Colt 1911 this year and the Henry .357mag :hearts: [size=78%]....and the reloading press...and bunch of supplies...[/size]
so I'm well over spent for quite a while.
Happy though....been wanting both that Henry and the Colt 1911 for many moons.  That Henry is silk (that's a step up from Mix's "butter").  Well...maybe not on the redneck scale  :snicker:  but it's darn nice to shoot.  I've shot more 357 mag this year since I got the Henry than I have in probably the last 15 years.


So what brand/model is your 10mm 1911?
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2020, 06:45:23 PM »

I'm stocking 28 different calibers.


Only 28?  ::)



That Henry is silk (that's a step up from Mix's "butter").  Well...maybe not on the redneck scale  :snicker:   

So what brand/model is your 10mm 1911?


You start talkin silk around these parts, someone will pull a gun on ya!  :rofl:


Prolly a Rock Island Armory..  :snicker:  (Wait, that's what mine is)  :wackysmile:  Hey, when ya want a big chrome .45 1911, you get what ya get..  :raspberry:

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2020, 03:35:58 PM »
yer both right, I got the RIA when I started making hot 10mm rounds. The first run of Deltaís would crack the frame with standard factory ammo. That was supposedly fixed early, but I donít want to chance it. The 10 has become quite popular the in the last 10 years. There are revolvers made for it, and XD and Block both make guns for it. If I win the lottery Iím going to have a marlin rechambered for it(or two). Once in a while a Bren will pop up on gunbroker too.

Iím not sure about the 9mm dies doing .38 super, but they should as they are both .355Ē. Ruger makes a Blackhawk convertible that shoots 9 and .357. I never understood how they make that work either. The barrel has to be at the bigger diameter.

just realized my AR list went up too, forgot to add the pistol caliber ones I want. Some years ago I found a guy that was milling AR lowers with a mag well that accepted the grease gun magazines. I shouldíve bought several

these are the only two 1911s I have that are wearing the factory grips..
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2020, 11:55:46 PM »

Only 28?  ::)



I know. The friend that taught me to reload probably has about 100 different die sets stacked up on his bench. He doesn't own dies unless he needs them.
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2020, 09:49:48 AM »

I know. The friend that taught me to reload probably has about 100 different die sets stacked up on his bench. He doesn't own dies unless he needs them.


 8-0 I think I have 4. Can't even remember if you use .38 for .357 or if it's the same die. Been a minute (and a half) since I did any reloading.. How long does power stay viable? I've got a few cans out there.. It's more than a couple years old.  :-\

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2020, 01:09:18 PM »

 8-0 I think I have 4. Can't even remember if you use .38 for .357 or if it's the same die. Been a minute (and a half) since I did any reloading.. How long does power stay viable? I've got a few cans out there.. It's more than a couple years old.  :-\


Theoretically, as long as the container is kept sealed and stored in a cool dry environmentally controlled place, 50 years easy. There is still some WWII surplus ammo out there that is safe to use and I've got quite a bit of the Greek HXP Vietnam surplus that's still good. If the powder is bad it will smell rancid. You can spread it out on your lawn, the grass will like the nitrogen.


The same die set does .38 special and .357 magnum, Despite the name, they use the same diameter bullet of .357. The same die set does 9mm and .38 super, because they are both .355 and are close enough in case length. The same die set does .44 mag and .44 special(.430 bullet) though I've never shot the special. Even though the same die does both, they are different calibers. You can buy guns that only shoot .38 and .44 special. The same die does the .480 Ruger and .475 Linebaugh, with the .480 being the "special" load, compared to the .475 anyway. But, the same die set does not do .45 Colt and .454 Casul, even though they both use a .452 bullet and I can shoot the colt in the Casul as one is the "special" load and one is the magnum load.


.223 and 5.56 use the same dies and brass. The easiest way to describe the difference is the .223 is the "special" load. The problem comes from being able to chamber either load in either gun. 5.56 is loaded to a higher pressure. It's not usually a problem unles you've left the ammo and rifle out in the summer sun while shooting and the temperature is pushing 100. I've been shooting outside in the summer and after 15 minutes from sitting in the sun the black rifle can be too hot to touch.
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2020, 09:05:05 AM »

 8-0 I think I have 4. Can't even remember if you use .38 for .357 or if it's the same die. Been a minute (and a half) since I did any reloading.. How long does power stay viable? I've got a few cans out there.. It's more than a couple years old.  :-\


"Theoretically, as long as the container is kept sealed and stored in a cool dry environmentally controlled place, 50 years easy. "

Well that pretty much sums up Mick's environment.


 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mick's in Florida where it's always cool and dry, and that redneck prolly doesn't even have a lid on the powder and it's in his shed with his weed eater and and fertilizer. :raspberry:


Just teasing Mick.  Me being a newbie, I wondered about storing the powder and it's longevity myself.  I read quite a bit about powder storage and it seems it's pretty durable and much longer lasting than would have thought (under reasonable conditions).  I do plan on storing mine inside....and not like I have an industrial arsenal of the stuff like Alta  (and AJ)





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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2020, 09:19:27 AM »

More from "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"....

Used my tumbler for the 1st time yesterday...WOW.  I have some old tarnished shells been saving for couple years.  Much of the 357 brass was 20 years old when it was fired.  Mine is a dry tumbler.  More vibrating than tumbling (and NO Zero I said vibrating not dildos ) but I am amazed at how clean the brass came out.  Looks like brand new shiny brass (I did use some brass polish in the mix...came with the tumbler)


My reloaded ammo now looks newer and prettier than my factory ammo.


Anyone ever dry tumble loaded ammo?  I read a BUNCH of threads on this over the weekend...seems lots of folks do for a short time to clean any case lube off.
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2020, 09:29:51 AM »
yea, the people that think it gets humid in this area in the summer have never been to Jacksonville in August. The only thing that made that trip fun was taking the ferry across the river at Mayport to drive out on the beach, without fishing/poles.
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2020, 09:48:15 AM »

Mick's in Florida where it's always cool and dry, and that redneck prolly doesn't even have a lid on the powder and it's in his shed with his weed eater and fertilizer. :raspberry:


Listen up Yankee! The gun powder has it's own shelf!!  :raspberry: :snicker:

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2020, 09:49:12 AM »
More from "As Rich's Reloading World Turns"....

Used my tumbler for the 1st time yesterday...WOW.  I have some old tarnished shells been saving for couple years.  Much of the 357 brass was 20 years old when it was fired.  Mine is a dry tumbler.  More vibrating than tumbling (and NO Zero I said vibrating not dildos ) but I am amazed at how clean the brass came out.  Looks like brand new shiny brass (I did use some brass polish in the mix...came with the tumbler)


My reloaded ammo now looks newer and prettier than my factory ammo.


Anyone ever dry tumble loaded ammo?  I read a BUNCH of threads on this over the weekend...seems lots of folks do for a short time to clean any case lube off.


Nope, never tumbled loaded ammo. Seems as safe as using spire points in a lever gun.


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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2020, 09:54:04 AM »
My tumbler is another story of dust. I bet it's got a couple dozen pieces of brass still buried in the media.  :-\  I used to gather spent brass at the range like it was going out of style.. Then they wised up and stopped letting us pick it up for free.  :-(

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2020, 01:57:44 PM »
Iíve been thinking about this tumbler thing. It made me think of this video, interesting if youíve never seen it...





With that information I had pondered putting live ammo in a tumbler in the past. But no one would ever advise doing so. Iím amazed itís being openly suggested now. But, if one must, Iíd put the tumbler in a separate room with an extra layer of drywall and on a timer so I didnít have to stand next to it to turn it on and off.
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2020, 04:37:17 PM »
Iíve been thinking about this tumbler thing. It made me think of this video, interesting if youíve never seen it...





With that information I had pondered putting live ammo in a tumbler in the past. But no one would ever advise doing so. Iím amazed itís being openly suggested now. But, if one must, Iíd put the tumbler in a separate room with an extra layer of drywall and on a timer so I didnít have to stand next to it to turn it on and off.


Awesome video.  Thanks for posting that.  I have to share that with some folks.  Some of my friend's wives have been worrying about them storing ammo in the house.
I had no idea ammo was that "stable" or that it would not ricochet everywhere on fire or had such little velocity when "fired" outside a gun barrel. And with that video, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to set one off in a tumbler. (especially watching my tumbler run...it just vibrates - doesn't even really "tumble"


It's funny, most of the posts were by long time loaders on snipers forum, High Road, and other gun forums and the consensus was that no way could a round go off in a tumbler.  Many users admitted to tumbling their finished rifle rounds to clean the case lube off and being doing so for decades.  I stumbled across it quite by accident, but many of these discussions were more than a decade old.
Most of the discussion was more about concerns on the effect on accuracy and not any danger of setting off a round in the tumbler.  From the "extensive" tests being professed, tumbling for even multiple hours (some over 24 hours) had no measurable effect on the accuracy (or change in velocity) of the long range ammo tested.
Seems there is some "professional" concern that tumbling live rounds can "break down" the powder inside the cases, but that "worry" seems to be more myth and almost certainly physically impossible (based on physics) with modern powders.  Although the bullet manufactures will warn against it for this very reason, but I'd say that's more to liability and CYA than actual data.
Seems there has never been a documented case of a "case" going off in a vibratory tumbler.


https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2012/10/10/is-tumbling-loaded-ammo-dangerous/



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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2020, 05:28:10 PM »

Nope, never tumbled loaded ammo. Seems as safe as using spire points in a lever gun.

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So....I have made a bunch of 357 Mag loads with 158gr HP.  Should I not shoot these in my Henry Big Boy lever rifle?  (Um....I already have) but I haven't dropped the rifle or anything to jamb the rounds together.  I think it would be quite difficult to fire the primer with the weight of another (or several) rounds bouncing on the primer even with the inertia from the recoil.
I'm not a ballistics guy, but the recoil is pretty light in this gun.
Also the HP are sort of RN HP...I mean it's a standard 158gr HP (xtreme jacketed bullet) but I don't see how one of these is pointy enough to strike the primer of the next round.
I will have to go look at these and see how they contact when lined up like in a tube.

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2020, 10:16:03 AM »
Nope, those 357 HP's are bad news! Send to me and I'll get rid of em' for ya!  :smirk:

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2020, 10:20:16 AM »

So....I have made a bunch of 357 Mag loads with 158gr HP.  Should I not shoot these in my Henry Big Boy lever rifle?  (Um....I already have) but I haven't dropped the rifle or anything to jamb the rounds together.  I think it would be quite difficult to fire the primer with the weight of another (or several) rounds bouncing on the primer even with the inertia from the recoil.
I'm not a ballistics guy, but the recoil is pretty light in this gun.
Also the HP are sort of RN HP...I mean it's a standard 158gr HP (xtreme jacketed bullet) but I don't see how one of these is pointy enough to strike the primer of the next round.
I will have to go look at these and see how they contact when lined up like in a tube.

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You are supposed to use round nose or flat bullets the tubular magazines, to avoid the possibility of setting off a round under heavy recoil. That's why Leverevolution ammo is so popular. It's got the soft point to avoid any problems but gives much better ballistics.

As far as revolvers go, I've mostly got Ruger Blackhawks, they are built like tanks, hence the "Ruger only" loads. You can make ammo that's safe for the Ruger but not recommend for a lever gun. The calibers I've got a revolver and lever gun in, I will load to the max of the lever gun, just to be safe. It's the basic design of a lever gun that makes the action less durable than other designs. I've got no expierience with Henry's though. You should check at the Henry forum. It's how much powder you stuff in the case, bullet weight doesn't matter. I haven't really settled on a .357 load. I keep going back and forth between 15.7 and 16 grains of 296 with a magnum primer and a 158 XTP. I went as high as 16.5, but decided I didn't gain anything over 16 grains so no point in it.

I pretty much only use XTPs in the hand guns. The exception being when I make .45 auto range loads. Then it's the FMJ round nose. That's one of the places people get problems with the 1911. That gun was designed from day one to use FMJ round nose. It is sensitive to changing the bullet. I've had good luck with the XTP, but every single gun is different. Your results may vary.

Everyone tells you not to exceed published load data, I'm positive that's a lawyer move with about a %40 buffer. When you start reading more about fps and what factory loads are doing, you will notice you need to exceed published load data to achieve the same speed that a lot of factory ammo has. For example, Honady 6.8 SPC 120gr SST. The factory box says it will go 2460 fps. The hornady load book for that bullet says max load gets you 2400 fps. The Honady Suoerformance box of .30-06 180gr SST says the ammo goes 2820 fps, the load book says the max load for that bullet gets you 2750 fps. Point is, you won't kill yourself by exceeding the book data, and sometimes you might have to. Just do so slowly and watch for pressure signs. Also, learn what the over pressure signs are. Ive read a few things that indicate you can be over pressure without flattening a primer.
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #77 on: November 29, 2020, 02:19:33 PM »
Iíve been thinking about this tumbler thing. It made me think of this video, interesting if youíve never seen it...





With that information I had pondered putting live ammo in a tumbler in the past. But no one would ever advise doing so. Iím amazed itís being openly suggested now. But, if one must, Iíd put the tumbler in a separate room with an extra layer of drywall and on a timer so I didnít have to stand next to it to turn it on and off.

Excellent video.


Why would you need to (dry) tumble your live ammo?  Not stored well?

I use a wet tumbling method that works brilliantly.  A few drops of Dawn dish washing liquid, a tiny pinch of Lemi-Shine  and warm water in a waterproof rotary tumbler containing stainless steel rods.  Absolutely cleans even old nasty range brass to like new condition and even cleans all the way down to the inside of small pistol primer pockets.  Very gentle too.  I even clean nickel plated cases with no detrimental effect to the plating.

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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2020, 12:23:54 PM »
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Re: Guns and Blowin Shit Up!
« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2020, 06:11:51 PM »
was just cleaning off the bench and noticed something else that bares mentioning. It's not uncommon for the powder to start sticking to the powder measurer from static electricity. I keep a couple dryer sheets stuffed in mine when not in use and have to physically wipe it down with a sheet as well. I bought a can of static guard on the bench too. I also keep a box of latex gloves on the bench. Cartriges
that I know are going to sit on the shelf for an extended period I will handle with the gloves on. The oil from your hands will tarnish the brass. It's only cosmetic, just depends how bad your OCD is.


forgot I had had a couple hundred pieces of primed .357 in a Tupperware ready to go
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