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Off Season
« on: May 06, 2019, 10:35:42 AM »

Official Offseason thread:
Be interesting to see what, if any, changes Rierden makes to his coaching approach.. Will he just be the same as he was and hope for the best? Did he learn anything and will he adjust?? Will they change any of the assistant coaches or systems?? Will the veterans of the team help with attitude, effort, etc.. (ie: someone needs to hold them accountable.. On effort alone! Especially shit like Kuznetsov saying he just doesn't give 100% most of the time.. If that's how he wants to play, please trade him immediately!!) And that leads to GMBM.. What will he do with the roster? That's about all we have to look forward to, imo.. My bets: No major changes forthcoming, just tinker here and there.. Probably overpay Burt, Sign Vrana for longer than they should, so they can afford him, let Hagelin walk. Probably keep Niskanen as I don't see how they unload that contract w/o major "helpers" attached.. Connolly? Not sure.. Him or Burt have to go I suspect.. Orpik probably comes back 1 more time. So basically Im looking at the coaching, system, attitude type adjustments.. Look for this to be copied/pasted when the "offseason" thread pops up.. Im too lazy to write it again.  :snicker:

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2019, 04:19:00 PM »
Management should attempt to keep Hagelin. He looked good. Who else is up for a contract?


















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Re: Off Season
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2019, 04:40:30 PM »

Official Offseason thread:
There ya go Mick!

Thanks brother!!

Management should attempt to keep Hagelin. He looked good. Who else is up for a contract?

I will give Reirden until November to prove why he doesn't deserve his own volcano thread, because I'm nice like that
Hagelin's gonna cost too much for a 4th line penalty killer, isn't he??  :huh: Though I see he's at 1.875 now.. I was thinking he'd get 3 mil, but maybe Im wrong.. We can't afford 3 mil though. 
That Kuznetsov contract is gonna burn my ass if this punk plays like a girl again next year.. Just sayin'.. :snicker:

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2019, 07:39:19 PM »
Thanks brother!!
Hagelin's gonna cost too much for a 4th line penalty killer, isn't he??  :huh: Though I see he's at 1.875 now.. I was thinking he'd get 3 mil, but maybe Im wrong.. We can't afford 3 mil though. 
That Kuznetsov contract is gonna burn my ass if this punk plays like a girl again next year.. Just sayin'.. :snicker:


Hagelin's real cap hit is $4M, but there's some retained salary. I assume whoever retained that salary no longer has to pay him after this year since his contract is up, so there's no more benefit for us cap wise. He may be out of his prime years but I can't see him going for lower than $3M at all. Guy has speed and the NHL today is about that speed and skill.


As for Kuzy, honestly his contract was a bit rich even before he started playing like shit. Was hoping $7M would be more reasonable as a high end, but he ended up closer to $8M. He better perform next year or it'll be a shitshow. That said, last thing I wanna do right now is cut bait and go back to being a 1C team, like back when Brooks Laich was our 2C of the future. Only Cup that guy has is the one protecting his glass groin.

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2019, 08:47:39 PM »
I’ll bet they’ll let Hagelin walk and give BretFuckinConolly 4+mil to score 20 goals and cost 50.


Given Monumentals ideal of “Keep The Band Together.  We’re The Best.  We have “Chemistry” “, it’s safe to say that it’s unlikely we’ll see trades to cut salary, and continue to overpay most anyone on the 17-18 team.


I’ll bet that DSP and Jaskins won’t be back, don’t  wanna come back, and will have a great year for another team that values them.


Theoretically, if Connolly, Hagelin, and Bura where dumped, we could go for Colburn, Simmons, Del Zotto, Mcquaid, Flippula, or Maroon amoung others, and MAYBE still keep Hagelin. . .


I just don’t see Monumental being willing to, or GMBetaMale being good enough to do it.

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2019, 09:26:02 PM »

Hagelin's real cap hit is $4M, but there's some retained salary. I assume whoever retained that salary no longer has to pay him after this year since his contract is up, so there's no more benefit for us cap wise. He may be out of his prime years but I can't see him going for lower than $3M at all. Guy has speed and the NHL today is about that speed and skill.


As for Kuzy, honestly his contract was a bit rich even before he started playing like shit. Was hoping $7M would be more reasonable as a high end, but he ended up closer to $8M. He better perform next year or it'll be a shitshow. That said, last thing I wanna do right now is cut bait and go back to being a 1C team, like back when Brooks Laich was our 2C of the future. Only Cup that guy has is the one protecting his glass groin.
Yep, there is a very real possibility that we can end up hating/regretting that Kuzy contract.  Sure Ovie got 51 goals, but he does nothing else.  He’s making more than (at least) Bergeron, Larkin
and Karlsson who both superior all around players who don’t have 600 goal scorer they play with normally

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2019, 10:14:48 PM »
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2019, 10:37:48 PM »
I doubt they keep the Hagler. I'd like to see him back but can't see how we can swing the dollars. Sure as hell cant pay him $3mil. (We have to save that for a multi year deal for Burka :P )


Conno and Orpik are UFAs. I'd sign both for the same money as last year but very little more. Conno should be able to get more next year (somewhere) based on his 20 goals. I'm not sure Orpik will even play again.


Jake the snake and Burka are RFAs.
Sign Jake, let Burka walk....FINALLY
I think Stephensen is also.


I actually posted all the RFA and UFA guys upcoming several weeks ago but I'm WAY too lazy to look it up again.


Jaskin and DSP are gone. Why would either sign with Caps again?


I don't see the caps making any serious moves. We shall see. Would be nice to get a good D man, but then.... My wife been saying that for years  8-0

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 10:13:42 PM »
It’s not just us . . .
https://mobile.twitter.com/nbcscapitals/status/1125875689465491457
Though giving Bura a C- is a bit generous

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2019, 09:18:35 AM »
It’s not just us . . .
https://mobile.twitter.com/nbcscapitals/status/1125875689465491457
Though giving Bura a C- is a bit generous


Yep, season's over. Cup honey moon, also over.. Time to get real on these bitches!! Burt is a soft, 100' footer who doesn't kill penalties.. No way in hell should we even consider 3+ million for him, which IIRC is what the "minimum" is to sign him.. Use that 3 million elsewhere..
(Sad thing is, at his size, speed and skill, with a little motivation and heart, he could be a premier "power" forward.)  :-\

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2019, 01:09:39 AM »
Givin the D corp, I wouldn't be surprised to see Orpik do one more year at
              1for$1M deal, if he doesn't get that offer I bet he retires.

LW Bura needs to walk.

LW keep Hags because he still has skill & speed, assuming he'd want to


RW Maybe give DSP a shot at camp, see if he's in shape, he will be cheap. If
            he's not in shape again let him walk. He made difference when brought
            up for the playoffs, then got benched for OT  :huh:

LW Vrana needs to stay.

RW Conno ??

D Djoos ??

C Stephenson ??
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2019, 01:14:20 AM »

Yep, season's over. Cup honey moon, also over.. Time to get real on these bitches!! Burt is a soft, 100' footer who doesn't kill penalties.. No way in hell should we even consider 3+ million for him, which IIRC is what the "minimum" is to sign him.. Use that 3 million elsewhere..
(Sad thing is, at his size, speed and skill, with a little motivation and heart, he could be a premier "power" forward.)  :-\


We've been having the exact same conversation about Bura for 4 years, time to go
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2019, 09:10:50 AM »
Givin the D corp, I wouldn't be surprised to see Orpik do one more year at
              1for$1M deal, if he doesn't get that offer I bet he retires.

LW Bura needs to walk.

LW keep Hags because he still has skill & speed, assuming he'd want to


RW Maybe give DSP a shot at camp, see if he's in shape, he will be cheap. If
            he's not in shape again let him walk. He made difference when brought
            up for the playoffs, then got benched for OT  :huh:

LW Vrana needs to stay.

RW Conno ??

D Djoos ??

C Stephenson ??





I'd like to see Orpik for another 1/1.  I'd agree he'll retire if it doesn't happen.  I can't see him moving to another team at his age, and he is a huge family guy and surely doesn't want to move again....but then if someone offered me $3-4 mill for one year, I'd play elsewhere for a year and leave the family where they are.
I'd let Djoos walk and play Ziggy  (especially if Orpik is around), but the Caps seem to really like Djoos.  Plus, play Ziggy and get him lots of regular season game experience -  I think that's all he's missing.
Definitely say bye bye to Bura  (way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way overdue there)


Definitely sign Vranna.  Not sure what that will cost, but at some point you have to move forward and pick guys to be part of your future.  (I do recall wanting to use him as trade bait about 2-3 years ago, but not anymore)


I'm okay on DSP on the cheap too.  With our Cap struggles, we are going to need some guys on the cheap, AND we definitely need some guys with grit in their game.


I'd like to keep the Hagler as well, but I don't see us affording him.  What would it cost to get him?  $3+ mil I would think?  I think he is/can be a really good fit for us.  Fills a lot of holes we need filled - great PK, good speed, good skills, good 3rd wing and can play 2nd wing also.  You can plug him into several spots which gives you some flexibility with lines when needed.


Conno...I've always liked Conno...for the price.  Not sure I'd like him at a higher price tag.  He DOES score and he has shown some SC scoring as well.  I see him as a relatively solid 3rd line guy than can produce some much needed 3rd line scoring, but.....I don't want to pay him real top 6 pay, which I think he might get somewhere based on his goal numbers.


Djoos - send him back to the flyweight division


Stepho - meh, no idea.  I liked him a lot previous year, then this year he just sort of floundered and didn't show much even when given opportunity.  Again, we need some cheap guys, and he has decent size and good speed, but he'd have to be a relative cheap deal.


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2019, 10:14:59 AM »
Wonder what it would take to get Johannson back? On the last year of his deal, 4.25 mil.. 28 years old. Probably not dooable, but if they let Burt walk, that's 3 mil.. If they could trade Niskanen..

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2019, 04:03:14 PM »
Wonder what it would take to get Johannson back? On the last year of his deal, 4.25 mil.. 28 years old. Probably not dooable, but if they let Burt walk, that's 3 mil.. If they could trade Niskanen..
I wish, but he’s a UFA that will probably get that or more


Besides GMBetaMale nor only gave him away once, but, for whatever reason didn’t go for, or pay for him at the trade deadline.

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2019, 04:23:14 PM »
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2019, 11:52:38 PM »

Hagelin's real cap hit is $4M, but there's some retained salary. I assume whoever retained that salary no longer has to pay him after this year since his contract is up, so there's no more benefit for us cap wise. He may be out of his prime years but I can't see him going for lower than $3M at all. Guy has speed and the NHL today is about that speed and skill.


As for Kuzy, honestly his contract was a bit rich even before he started playing like shit. Was hoping $7M would be more reasonable as a high end, but he ended up closer to $8M. He better perform next year or it'll be a shitshow. That said, last thing I wanna do right now is cut bait and go back to being a 1C team, like back when Brooks Laich was our 2C of the future. Only Cup that guy has is the one protecting his glass groin.


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2019, 12:57:53 AM »
Bura has certainly been around long enough to have a VERY CLEAR picture of him!
It can safely be said, with accuracy, that his only CONSISTENT thing on his resume, is that he is TERMINALLY INCONSISTENT!!!


NEVER, has he had anything close to ANY kind of dependable, reliable, “you-can-put-your-finger-on-it”, type of play!!
Worse yet, is the lack of any rhyme or reason, as to when his play picks up, or goes south!! This is almost ALWAYS trouble!! IMO, his total career has changed the word, “Hope”, into having a negative and reluctant connotation!!


At least with some of the inconsistent players in the league, the NHL coaches have an idea as to what factors contribute to their failures!! Not so with Bura!
Bura gets on a hot streak....... WHY? Nobody knows! Bura goes cold......WHY? Nobody knows!
Sadly, BURA has always offered plenty of reasons, and solutions, as to how his legs are better, how he “feels good now”, mentally, and any other number of Mumbo-Jumbo ass excuses, ALL of which are deemed completely INSIGNIFICANT, in hind sight, after he gets back on the ice!!


Bura’s career has had more ups and downs than Ron Jeremy’s right hand in an old porn flick!! LOL!
Seriously though, let him go, and then you may have Hagelin money! A PROVEN ASSET to the team!!


Djoos is tiny, but he’s very high in hockey IQ. Something we seem to lack a lot on our overall D! That’s why they keep him.


I like Connelly for the money, or some thing close to it, but who knows with him!
Brooksie, for a 1mil/1yr? Still a great deal with the intangibles!
Carlson, I’ve grudgingly learned to live with it! WHATEVER!


Kuzy, is a WHOLE different matter!! He, simply, and absolutely, has to show that he gives a flyin fuck about playing regular season hockey for the Washington Capitals...OR....go back to frickin Moscow, you ungrateful SOB!!!
Your innocent “honesty” is no longer funny and cute, when commenting about your attitude towards the Washington fans!  Time to “grow a pair”, Kuzy!! Shut your yap in the press for awhile, at least until you hold up YOUR END, of your performance on the ice, when compared to your contract!


You have trouble “feeling motivated”, during the regular season?? That’s idiotic to say publicly in the media, but then, AT LEAST, pick your game up in the playoffs, or you get hung by your words!! You come off like some spoiled, Russian millennial crybaby, you douche!


Whew!! Ok I’m done with my second-wind, late spring, disappointment!!
GO BLUES!! (for now)!!


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2019, 12:24:30 PM »
Bura has certainly been around long enough to have a VERY CLEAR picture of him!
It can safely be said, with accuracy, that his only CONSISTENT thing on his resume, is that he is TERMINALLY INCONSISTENT!!!


NEVER, has he had anything close to ANY kind of dependable, reliable, “you-can-put-your-finger-on-it”, type of play!!
Worse yet, is the lack of any rhyme or reason, as to when his play picks up, or goes south!! This is almost ALWAYS trouble!! IMO, his total career has changed the word, “Hope”, into having a negative and reluctant connotation!!


At least with some of the inconsistent players in the league, the NHL coaches have an idea as to what factors contribute to their failures!! Not so with Bura!
Bura gets on a hot streak....... WHY? Nobody knows! Bura goes cold......WHY? Nobody knows!
Sadly, BURA has always offered plenty of reasons, and solutions, as to how his legs are better, how he “feels good now”, mentally, and any other number of Mumbo-Jumbo ass excuses, ALL of which are deemed completely INSIGNIFICANT, in hind sight, after he gets back on the ice!!


Bura’s career has had more ups and downs than Ron Jeremy’s right hand in an old porn flick!! LOL!
Seriously though, let him go, and then you may have Hagelin money! A PROVEN ASSET to the team!!


Djoos is tiny, but he’s very high in hockey IQ. Something we seem to lack a lot on our overall D! That’s why they keep him.


I like Connelly for the money, or some thing close to it, but who knows with him!
Brooksie, for a 1mil/1yr? Still a great deal with the intangibles!
Carlson, I’ve grudgingly learned to live with it! WHATEVER!


Kuzy, is a WHOLE different matter!! He, simply, and absolutely, has to show that he gives a flyin fuck about playing regular season hockey for the Washington Capitals...OR....go back to frickin Moscow, you ungrateful SOB!!!
Your innocent “honesty” is no longer funny and cute, when commenting about your attitude towards the Washington fans!  Time to “grow a pair”, Kuzy!! Shut your yap in the press for awhile, at least until you hold up YOUR END, of your performance on the ice, when compared to your contract!


You have trouble “feeling motivated”, during the regular season?? That’s idiotic to say publicly in the media, but then, AT LEAST, pick your game up in the playoffs, or you get hung by your words!! You come off like some spoiled, Russian millennial crybaby, you douche!


Whew!! Ok I’m done with my second-wind, late spring, disappointment!!
GO BLUES!! (for now)!!


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Damn right Rush!


But think the bottom line is Bura, Kuzy, and Connolly are just not very good hockey players.  “Talent”, “skill”, and couple points sure, but if you can’t do every shift, or at minimum 85%.with 100% intensity, can do nothing else than get a few points, (ie play D, PK), and cost more than goals than you put up, you’re just not a good hockey player.


Just look at SCF and compare Kuzy to Tarasenko: 27_28yo, 7,8 and 7.5. . . and anyone who thinks Kuzy is a better player needs to step away from the XBox and quot attemding Rec League games.




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Re: Off Season
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2019, 01:38:06 AM »
Damn right Rush!


But think the bottom line is Bura, Kuzy, and Connolly are just not very good hockey players.  “Talent”, “skill”, and couple points sure, but if you can’t do every shift, or at minimum 85%.with 100% intensity, can do nothing else than get a few points, (ie play D, PK), and cost more than goals than you put up, you’re just not a good hockey player.


Just look at SCF and compare Kuzy to Tarasenko: 27_28yo, 7,8 and 7.5. . . and anyone who thinks Kuzy is a better player needs to step away from the XBox and quot attemding Rec League games.


Well said DC!
Bura and Kuzy have shown some highly distinctive INDIVIDUAL talent. Kuzy can even do some one-of-a-kind, eye popping, stuff.
Connelly, on the other hand, lacks the “gifted” talents of Bura and Kuzy.


I think it’s accurate to say that Kuzy and Bura, both possess “good” talent, and actually CAN “FLASH” some unique, quality, excellence. Lack of CONSISTENCY, on both their parts, COUPLED with demonstrating a severe lack of defense, in their 200 foot play, (said another way, mostly one sided, offensive players), renders them both as very “incomplete” hockey players, and a plausible case could be made as to whether they are just as harmful, as they are helpful, to the team! This makes them, OVERALL, not so good!


Connelly, on the other hand, is different. (I think it’s hilarious, DC, that when we get together and drink, we usually re-establish our “agree to disagree” thing with Conno!!) We never seem to recall, when we’re lit, that we’ve established our positions, already, in prior drinking episodes!!🤣😂🤣🥃🥃


Anyway, I think Conno has found his niche for developing his better O production! He simply has worked on a very basic skill of shooting the puck, very quickly, from the passes he receives, as he cuts across the ice within 10-15 feet of opponents goal!
I’ll give you that he’s not that accurate, because he’s not that naturally gifted....BUT, he’s worked at it, for at least  the last 2 seasons, and has been very successful, using quantity of chances, NOT quality, and this fits great into his lower talented game!!
By all counts, his performance needle has slowly, but consistently kept pointing North!! (Compare that with Kuzy and Bura’s general direction!!)
I do believe he has probably plateaued, and that’s fine with me! He is in a position to get better money elsewhere, as a result of his performance here, as a Capital! I’d hate to see him go, but the ball is in HIS court!


Good comparison you make about the SCF! Actually a lot of the playoff games were really some high effort hockey games, and extremely enjoyable for me to watch!
It also allowed us to compare a few of “our guys” efforts, to some of those grittier, physical, games!
It just made some of our “low effort guys”, appear even worse! LOL


 We will be watching, boys, next season!!!!


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