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GDT#40 Devils @ Capitals Dec 30, 2017 7:00pm EST NBCSPW
Maacoshark:
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--- Quote from: altajava on Saturday December 30, 2017, 09:20:31 PM Eastern ---74 should’ve just glided straight to the bench after that
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After what Carlson didnt cost us. No matter what happens you guys blame Carlson.
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Those of that have been watching him for almost 10 years do blame him when he screws up, yes. Have we singled him out? No.
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I think the real issue is he’s being played and marketed as an “elite” Dman. The result is a large amount of minutes (which is highly impressive and deservant of praise), that results in hes weakness being exposed, bad tendencies developed etc., more often that causes most of the distrust, disappointment and even dislike towards him.
While certainly and upper tier Dman, it is unreasonable and inaccurate to put him on the class of Burns, Dougherty, Keith, Gairdi, Webber, etc.
This ultimately comes down to management and the orginization asking fat to much of him. Both to belong in that class and in the system. Any criticism of him, should not that, and the lack of attention to the DCorps in general (note that most elite dman, have good DCorps around then too)
That being said, he is still young for a Dman. Mike Green (who got it way worse than Carlson), played some of his best all around hockey this year significantly under the radar. He (finally) became a very good all around Dman and his typical PP threat.
So there is still time for Carlson to come around. The issue is what cap space hit will he ask for and will they able to afford him and help for him.
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I'm not sure about some of those dmen you mentioned. Carlson is playing better than all of them. I dont consider Burns an elite defenseman. He us a big guy with a big shot. He isn't even a true defenseman. He is a converted forward. He is far from a great down dman.
Keith is a good dman. Can't stand the guy but he us good. But he is having .a bad year. Weber is also having an off year. Although playing for the Canadians is helping. My point is that Carlson is playing better than most of the so called elite defenseman in the league at both ends of the ice.
Doughty and Hedman might be the best dmen in the league right now.
Mickstix:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Saturday December 30, 2017, 10:41:40 PM Eastern --- Carlson is fine defensively. If he was weak defensively they wouldnt be pairing him with Djoos who isn't a defensive defence man. Carlson's play has been a huge part of his success. If he was weak defensively he wouldn't be killing penalties. He wouldn't be on the ice when the game is on the line. Carlson is our best dman on the pp and pk. He is decent 5 on 5 as well. He is our best dman by a mile. You can't debate that.
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Using your own words.. He's "Fine" defensively.. He "our" best Dman.. Just because he's "fine defensively" and the best "we" have doesn't really say much, imo.. I like the dude fine, btw, just don't think he should get upwards of 7 million a year (FROM US).. Were already crippled from stupid contracts to guys who've proven they can't find their ass in the playoffs.. Unfortunately we'll either over pay and be stuck with him or let him walk for nothing. It's what we do!
Maacoshark:
I dont like the idea of giving him 7 million per season either. I dont what other options are out there though. There will be no other FA dmen close to to his calibre so that isn't an option. It we let him walk we have no one to replace him.
Maacoshark:
BTW when I say fine defensively I mean he is above average. Wouldn't call him a shut down guy but he is decent. When you look at all if the number one dmen in the league he is better defensively than most. I think trying to keep him long term is our best option.
RavenCp:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Sunday December 31, 2017, 09:11:59 AM Eastern ---
--- Quote from: altajava on Saturday December 30, 2017, 09:50:16 PM Eastern ---
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Saturday December 30, 2017, 09:41:31 PM Eastern ---
--- Quote from: altajava on Saturday December 30, 2017, 09:20:31 PM Eastern ---74 should’ve just glided straight to the bench after that
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After what Carlson didnt cost us. No matter what happens you guys blame Carlson.
--- End quote ---
Those of that have been watching him for almost 10 years do blame him when he screws up, yes. Have we singled him out? No.
--- End quote ---
I think the real issue is he’s being played and marketed as an “elite” Dman. The result is a large amount of minutes (which is highly impressive and deservant of praise), that results in hes weakness being exposed, bad tendencies developed etc., more often that causes most of the distrust, disappointment and even dislike towards him.
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+1
..sometime he looks careless, but in general I agree.
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