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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Tuesday July 31, 2018, 07:00:44 PM Eastern --- No offense but the Caps have been a threat for a few years now. 2 president cups and a cup in 3 seasons is very impressive. If the Caps could had gotten by the Pens in those 2 seasons there is a good possibility we could have had have had 3 consecutive cups.
I myself prefer a different style team but they are having success with what they are doing. And in the long run that's what I care about. There is still a handful of players I'd rather not be on this team.
You keep thinking that a team full of guys like Beagle or your tough guys Olesiak and Reeves is going to win. You need role players like that but you barent going to win with a team full if them.
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ehhhhh I wouldn’t call any team not getting out of the second round, particularly when the issues identified was attitude, defense, and refusal to adapt/modify a threat, at least a significant one.
As most of us said at the time, caught the Hens, Bolts, and maybe even CBJ flat-footed several games as this is what they where expecting.
Also for the record, The Captian, Probert, Hatcher, Hunter. Shannahan, Simon, D-Mack , Draper, HalpernMadden, Neidimyer, Vladdy, C Lemieux (yuck), where all way Beagle and/or Okesniak types: attitude, hustle, IQ, and/or intimidatinion and physical play that had an effect on everyone on the ice. That’s the type of players that will beat the euro/no-hit league style that just want their stats, highlights and paychecks.
It was shown with our numerous playoff losses and with our Cup win when the majority of The Caps made a complete 180 and effectively managed to switch their mentality.
To summerize my recent posts, this turnaround, particularly in the last few games is such a large jump that (if tracked on a graph over 10yrs), would be an annonomy if not an outlyer. In these cases data knowledge gives an extermly high probablity of that dropping, and a good chance of it being a drastic amount for several factors.
The typical/best way to sustain jumps like this to objectively see what issues prevented the gradual rise, and replace them with will keep out at our near the point of the anomaly.
The other less desirable way is to cash in and hope it happens again.
Put like this, the first way is clearly more effective, as can be seen by viewing any successful business
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Wednesday August 01, 2018, 11:53:21 AM Eastern ---ehhhhh I wouldn’t call any team not getting out of the second round, particularly when the issues identified was attitude, defense, and refusal to adapt/modify a threat, at least a significant one.
As most of us said at the time, caught the Hens, Bolts, and maybe even CBJ flat-footed several games as this is what they where expecting.
Also for the record, The Captian, Probert, Hatcher, Hunter. Shannahan, Simon, D-Mack , Draper, HalpernMadden, Neidimyer, Vladdy, C Lemieux (yuck), where all way Beagle and/or Okesniak types: attitude, hustle, IQ, and/or intimidatinion and physical play that had an effect on everyone on the ice. That’s the type of players that will beat the euro/no-hit league style that just want their stats, highlights and paychecks.
It was shown with our numerous playoff losses and with our Cup win when the majority of The Caps made a complete 180 and effectively managed to switch their mentality.
To summerize my recent posts, this turnaround, particularly in the last few games is such a large jump that (if tracked on a graph over 10yrs), would be an annonomy if not an outlyer. In these cases data knowledge gives an extermly high probablity of that dropping, and a good chance of it being a drastic amount for several factors.
The typical/best way to sustain jumps like this to objectively see what issues prevented the gradual rise, and replace them with will keep out at our near the point of the anomaly.
The other less desirable way is to cash in and hope it happens again.
Put like this, the first way is clearly more effective, as can be seen by viewing any successful business
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And if you put those guys together in a lineup they would win nothing. You need role players like this but you arent going to win with a roster full of them. Some of those guys you mentioned werent even good 2 way players. I noticed some of the players that you mentioned were players that sometimes crossed the line. I dont mean a borderline hit. I mean some premeditated dirty stuff. Got to be honest I dont like most of those players that you mentioned.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Wednesday August 01, 2018, 10:00:57 PM Eastern --- And if you put those guys together in a lineup they would win nothing. You need role players like this but you arent going to win with a roster full of them. Some of those guys you mentioned werent even good 2 way players. I noticed some of the players that you mentioned were players that sometimes crossed the line. I dont mean a borderline hit. I mean some premeditated dirty stuff. Got to be honest I dont like most of those players that you mentioned.
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i’m not talking about playing “today’s gane” i’m talking about beating it. Even if includes deliberately and systematically, “crossing the line” on occasion.
Just look at last year. VGK was almost entirely just a bunch of “3rd-4th line role playing Beagle like trash” and made to the Cup finals,. The Caos played one of their best gamer with a bunch of AHLwrs working their ass off and playing right. Both of which, while not to the level I’m suggesting, are along the lines i’m suggesting.
Any trend is made up of ebs and flows, where the ebs seem permanent. The flow of is slowly starting, i’m saying beat everyone else to it.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Thursday August 02, 2018, 05:47:17 AM Eastern ---i’m not talking about playing “today’s gane” i’m talking about beating it. Even if includes deliberately and systematically, “crossing the line” on occasion.
Just look at last year. VGK was almost entirely just a bunch of “3rd-4th line role playing Beagle like trash” and made to the Cup finals,. The Caos played one of their best gamer with a bunch of AHLwrs working their ass off and playing right. Both of which, while not to the level I’m suggesting, are along the lines i’m suggesting.
Any trend is made up of ebs and flows, where the ebs seem permanent. The flow of is slowly starting, i’m saying beat everyone else to it.
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Sorry but I dont believe in crossing the line. There should be some respect towards other players. Deliberately trying injure someone is unacceptable. Some of these guys have done that.
Vegas wasnt just role players. They have some offensive talent on the team. They are actually a speed team. They aren't Beagle like players. Was Vegas that good or did they ride a hot goalie? The Caps made them look pretty ordinary in the finals. We beat them in 5 games. Could have possibly swept them if not for the missed crosscheck by Reeves on a goal he scored to tie game 1. Still have no clue how they missed that.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Thursday August 02, 2018, 08:20:57 AM Eastern --- Sorry but I dont believe in crossing the line. There should be some respect towards other players. Deliberately trying injure someone is unacceptable. Some of these guys have done that.
Vegas wasnt just role players. They have some offensive talent on the team. They are actually a speed team. They aren't Beagle like players. Was Vegas that good or did they ride a hot goalie? The Caps made them look pretty ordinary in the finals. We beat them in 5 games. Could have possibly swept them if not for the missed crosscheck by Reeves on a goal he scored to tie game 1. Still have no clue how they missed that.
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While no one wants see someone (not on the Hens, or named otherwise named Lemieux) get hurt , . . .its can be an effective tactic that can cause a ripple effect including forces changes in line up, system, depth chart, call ups (which could involve waivers), that can go down to their AHL teams. . .
It is can be viewed as cruel etc. but applied in a formula it makes sense. Unless your playing a team with Darren McCarty on it (ask CLemiieux).
But, Vegas was full of Beagle like players. Karlsson, R Smith, Tuch, England, McNab 3rd or 4th liners/3rd pairings that no one cared about because they dont toe-drag, sell jerseys, and where the 3rd line trash of teams. I won't say they looked ordinary in the playoffs, unless ordinary is the worst they've ever played. I would most of that loss on Gallant (I should of added him above, damn he was a hell of player). Trotz clearly saw what LA did, and came up with a plan to slow them down. Gallent responded by continuing to "ride the white horse" and made minimal if no adjustments to what they've done all year, (probably betting the Caps would self destruct on their own)
On the other topic, by beagle like, I meant, smart, excelling in defense, hard working, intense, and versatile players that do more than sell tickets, nor care about it You seem to forget that (at least pre-injury) Beagle was one of the fastest skaters (drill wise), and one of the strongest on the team (verified by a member of the training staff). He also put up plenty of points when he was with Wilson and Winnik and could contribute offensively as needed (like the great pass for DSPs in the last game). He had to do A LOT of the grunt work for this to team to have success which hurt his stats and eyeball-tests
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