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Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: IDontGiveaChuk on Sunday April 01, 2018, 12:16:51 PM Eastern ---A few thoughts..
First, isn't he a bit of an overachiever to begin with? I'm not saying this would mean he is unable to continue to be but maybe his best days are almost behind him? Could it be that even he realizes this?
Maybe he is tired of all his underachieving teammates? As someone who plays most nights and gives his all, he has to be somewhat frustrated at times by his teams inability to get to the next level - which he has been able to do.
Maybe the Emery beatdown years ago where none of his teammates came to his defense is still in his head? Why continue to put yourself on the line for guys who don't do the same?
Consistency has been a problem for him. He has a REAL good year and then a bad year, seemingly. And as pointed out by someone else, players have ups and downs and the team has played very poorly in front of him at times. But still, the team needs to have confidence in him when he is in net and I wonder if the team has more confidence with Gruby behind them right now.
With Samsonov probably a year or two away from being nhl ready, maybe the team is nearing a window of opportunity where it makes sense to explore Holtby's trade value.
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You make it sound like he has had an up and down career. This is his only poor season. He has played very well until last seasons playoffs.
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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: IDontGiveaChuk on Sunday April 01, 2018, 12:16:51 PM Eastern ---A few thoughts..
First, isn't he a bit of an overachiever to begin with? I'm not saying this would mean he is unable to continue to be but maybe his best days are almost behind him? Could it be that even he realizes this?
Maybe he is tired of all his underachieving teammates? As someone who plays most nights and gives his all, he has to be somewhat frustrated at times by his teams inability to get to the next level - which he has been able to do.
Maybe the Emery beatdown years ago where none of his teammates came to his defense is still in his head? Why continue to put yourself on the line for guys who don't do the same?
Consistency has been a problem for him. He has a REAL good year and then a bad year, seemingly. And as pointed out by someone else, players have ups and downs and the team has played very poorly in front of him at times. But still, the team needs to have confidence in him when he is in net and I wonder if the team has more confidence with Gruby behind them right now.
With Samsonov probably a year or two away from being nhl ready, maybe the team is nearing a window of opportunity where it makes sense to explore Holtby's trade value.
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Which provided Holtby all but refuses to play here, is exactly the stupid and naive decision that Dickless and BetaMale would make.
The issue is not Holtby, it’s the clown show videogame that the fools in the front office put in front them. This system is a nightnare for a goalie, and given enough video and scouting a non-elite goal will be crucified (Heh funny word to use on Easter)
Now you’re idea is sound, but goalies are different. Particularly when you have an elite top three goalie and two rookies or non starters.
waynerivers:
So this is where everyone went! Anyway, regarding Holtby, someone in the old NG posted a trade idea of Holtby to Buffalo for Ristolainen, assuming Buffalo would make the trade. I was thinking along similar lines. I don't know if Buffalo is the spot but a sharp GM would pull the trigger on this deal this offseason. Holtby's skills have mildly diminished and we already know he can't do it in the playoffs when it really matters. Plus, Grubie is ready to be a full time starter as his performance over the last few months has shown. It makes no sense to wait because every year that passes Holtby's trade value will fall as his skills erode. With the dire need for defensemen on this team, this is a perfect opportunity to get one or maybe two good ones. Other teams, especially goalie starved ones, place a high value on recent Vezina winning goalies so the Caps should take advantage of that now, not in 2-3 years when the return is much less.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: waynerivers on Monday April 02, 2018, 01:09:25 PM Eastern ---So this is where everyone went! Anyway, regarding Holtby, someone in the old NG posted a trade idea of Holtby to Buffalo for Ristolainen, assuming Buffalo would make the trade. I was thinking along similar lines. I don't know if Buffalo is the spot but a sharp GM would pull the trigger on this deal this offseason. Holtby's skills have mildly diminished and we already know he can't do it in the playoffs when it really matters. Plus, Grubie is ready to be a full time starter as his performance over the last few months has shown. It makes no sense to wait because every year that passes Holtby's trade value will fall as his skills erode. With the dire need for defensemen on this team, this is a perfect opportunity to get one or maybe two good ones. Other teams, especially goalie starved ones, place a high value on recent Vezina winning goalies so the Caps should take advantage of that now, not in 2-3 years when the return is much less.
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I highly doubt we will get many teams to agree to a “fair market” or a benefit trade for Holts. The reason is people know he a) wants out, or b) we want him gone, so we won’t be seeing much in return.
Besides, I think people are jumping on the “hot backup goalie” drama way to much, and not taking in all factors Mainly, when the forwards and D get tired of playing a style where they don’t have to protect the goalie, and when teams start to get more video on him will assuredly not be pretty.
Bottom line is this probably a hot-streak and not reality
As (I think$ we have Gubby for another year, I’d trade him instead while his value is high.
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