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waynerivers:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Monday April 02, 2018, 01:29:56 PM Eastern ---I highly doubt we will get many teams to agree to a “fair market” or a benefit trade for Holts. The reason is people know he a) wants out, or b) we want him gone, so we won’t be seeing much in return.
Besides, I think people are jumping on the “hot backup goalie” drama way to much, and not taking in all factors Mainly, when the forwards and D get tired of playing a style where they don’t have to protect the goalie, and when teams start to get more video on him will assuredly not be pretty.
Bottom line is this probably a hot-streak and not reality
As (I think$ we have Gubby for another year, I’d trade him instead while his value is high.
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Any player who is being offered in a trade is presumably someone you're willing to part with, for whatever reason. All other teams care about is whether they think the guy can help their team and I'm sure there are a number of teams, possibly quite a few, who would see Holtby as a good acquisition. As far as the style we play, both goalies have to play behind it so blaming that for Holtby's regression doesn't seem like the answer. Grubie plays under the same conditions and he's doing the job. Also, why would you trade the younger guy who's coming into his own and keep the older one who is slipping, especially when you can probably still get good value for him? That seems like a recipe for treading water, not improving.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Monday April 02, 2018, 01:29:56 PM Eastern ---I highly doubt we will get many teams to agree to a “fair market” or a benefit trade for Holts. The reason is people know he a) wants out, or b) we want him gone, so we won’t be seeing much in return.
Besides, I think people are jumping on the “hot backup goalie” drama way to much, and not taking in all factors Mainly, when the forwards and D get tired of playing a style where they don’t have to protect the goalie, and when teams start to get more video on him will assuredly not be pretty.
Bottom line is this probably a hot-streak and not reality
As (I think$ we have Gubby for another year, I’d trade him instead while his value is high.
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I agree about the backup goalie being on a hot streak. The Pens were in a similar situation and I think they let the better goalie go to Vegas. I don't want us to make the same mistake.
I have conceded that Grubauer should probably start the playoffs because he is on a hot streak.
justwincaps:
Reading these threads, the Caps D aren't the only ones who have given up on Holtby.
I agree that Trotz will probably ride the "hot goalie" into round 1 and will probably have a short leash on Gruby.
As for who to trade, if either, I guess it all depends on how much faith you have in Samsonov and when you think he'll be NHL ready. If you truly think that there's no difference between Holts and Gruby, then you sign Gruby, presumably for less than whatb you're paying Holtby, and use the extra cash and trade of Holtby to get a real defensman back - [Dear God please don't use that money to sign Carlson].
I don't know why, but for the last couple of months this team does look different playing in front of Grubauer - except for the dumbass clearing attempt from #28 last night where Grubauer had to stop Crosby point blank. Grubauer's saves last night looked like the Holtby we are used to and one I fully expect to see again.
Tacker:
Pro coaches and GM's, hockey included, are always inclined to make the "safe," by-the-book" choice, even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. They feel safer going with the big-contract name player because they feel they can't be faulted, even if the name player screws up royally, whereas if the upstart doesn't get it done, then they have to answer why they took "risk." Everybody wants risk-free, easy choices. Life doesn't work that way, of course.
In fact, that's one of the explanations for why Las Vegas is so "surprisingly" good this year. Most GM's stayed with the tried and true. the name players, and, therefore, sacrificed very talented young players (ahem, Schmidt), as well as other talented, but less "marquee" veterans. The result was that the youngsters got an immediate chance to make an impact, and the more seasoned guys had high incentive to show their former GM's that they made a mistake.
I'm near certain that Trotz, in the deep recesses of his mind, would somehow wish that Grubie screwed up, so he could just pick Holtby and not have to explain himself, or get sweaty palms by starting Grubie in the playoffs. It makes little sense, when one looks at Grubie's sterling stats, as well as the unavoidable truth that Holtby has shown conclusively that he gets deer-in-the-headlights syndrome when it's time for the crucial save in the playoffs. Playing Grubie is the better choice, and not just because he's hot now; he's been hot for months.
I guess there is life without taking risk. It's just that it's played on the golf course, not the hockey rink.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: justwincaps on Monday April 02, 2018, 05:11:41 PM Eastern ---Reading these threads, the Caps D aren't the only ones who have given up on Holtby.
I agree that Trotz will probably ride the "hot goalie" into round 1 and will probably have a short leash on Gruby.
As for who to trade, if either, I guess it all depends on how much faith you have in Samsonov and when you think he'll be NHL ready. If you truly think that there's no difference between Holts and Gruby, then you sign Gruby, presumably for less than whatb you're paying Holtby, and use the extra cash and trade of Holtby to get a real defensman back - [Dear God please don't use that money to sign Carlson].
I don't know why, but for the last couple of months this team does look different playing in front of Grubauer - except for the dumbass clearing attempt from #28 last night where Grubauer had to stop Crosby point blank. Grubauer's saves last night looked like the Holtby we are used to and one I fully expect to see again.
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I think the Caps will try to find away to sign Carlson because of the lack of FA dmen that will be available. But if we could make a trade for a dman that would change things. Someone mentioned earlier about trading for Ristolainen. He would be a nice addition.
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