2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves

[canadiancapman]

Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.

[alta]

so Vrana was moping because he wanted more ice time, but he didn't really earn it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/capitals-gm-brian-maclellan-on-trading-jakub-vrana-we-had-a-frustrated-player-so-we-tried-to-move-on-from-that/

[DC_1908]

So....


Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so.   


Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border? 


((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)

Toledos actually pretty cool, (definitely try Tony Pacos if you can), but the real thing you wanna avoid is the PA Turnpike!   Thats  the worst god damn excuse for a road on the planet, & they charge to drive on those potholes & collapsing tunnels 🤣🤣🤣

[DC_1908]

The problem with Mantha is that his big problem with Detroit seems to be -- inconsistency and a lack of competitiveness at times.  [size=78%]So have we traded Ferrari Vrana for 18-wheeler Vrana?  [/size]

[size=78%]Maybe the Caps suspect that Mantha was getting frustrated by Detroit's lack of recent success, and they figure he will be reinvigorated by the change of scenery.  It isn't that Mantha is a big hitter or fighter or anything.  I think the price was awfully high, but the prevailing attitude was that the Caps were willing to do whatever it takes to make a splash in the playoffs this year.  I'd be happier with the trade if Glendening were coming back in addition to Mantha, but I guess what is, is.[/size]


I keep hearing about the Caps being all in for the Cup again this year, but I don't think that they can be considered anything more than a wildcard in the Stanley Cup playoffs as long as they have zero playoff experience in goal.  We really have no clue what we are going to get in net when the regular season ends.


So Mantha is seen as a top 6 scoring winger.  If he and Wilson are the top 6 right wings, that would seem to move Oshie down to the 3rd line.  Maybe not a bad idea in a way, since Oshie is considered a good defensive player, but the problem is that his offensive output figures to drop off playing with Eller, who has never been a great playmaker.  It isn't clear to me that the Caps are upgrading themselves scoring-wise at all.


Maybe they want to try and win the cup by scaring everyone to death with bulk.

You clearly havent seen Mantha play. Hes easily one of top 6 complete forwards, regardless of what the top of the screen says when the game starts.


Yeah he had somw constancy issues with The Wings during the rebuild, but that standard in Detroit for that FAR higher their than it is here. In fact, Im more worried about Vrana slowing The Wings rebuild down with his pussy ass, lazy Eurotrash play.  Dont be surprised if he doesnt make it Motown.

[DC_1908]

so Vrana was moping because he wanted more ice time, but he didn't really earn it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/capitals-gm-brian-maclellan-on-trading-jakub-vrana-we-had-a-frustrated-player-so-we-tried-to-move-on-from-that/

Hes gonna have a tough time in Detroit if he doesn't man up.


But, Mike Green became twice the D-man after he went to Hockeytown, so there is a chance Vrana can too.  But they dont put up with that shit like we do/did here.

[DC_1908]

Another thing about Mantha, shot speed is up there with Ovie & Charas.


Check out the first goal on thus, then realize hell be with Ovie 😈

[BlackIce]

But see, a game like is shown in the video you posted doesn't answer questions about intensity and consistency, it raises them.  It shows one 4-goal game, isolated, by a guy who in his best years has been a 20+ goal scorer.  That ONE game shows massive talent.  Why doesn't total performance add up to more than what his stats say he is?

[BlackIce]

Raffl is solid and sound defensively. Will probably be used on the pk. A good pick up for the bottom 6 role.

The justification for Raffl is more than that.  Look at the LW depth on the Caps' chart.  THERE ISN'T ANY.  They had to get Raffl to even fill out the roster on the LW.


The LW on the team are now Ovie/Sheary/Hagelin/Raffl, and that is it.  No one from Hershey jumps out as a candidate to move up to fill a starting role on LW.  Given Vrana's move for a RW, the Caps had to make some sort of acquisition on the left side.

[capsfanpdx]

Another thing about Mantha, shot speed is up there with Ovie & Charas.


Check out the first goal on thus, then realize hell be with Ovie 😈

My hope is he will be way better keeping the play alive on and off the boards.  Vrana was a lot of one and done in the zone.

[richkrt99]

Yes I think Mantha certainly has the ability to have more impact on this team.  Vranna is super speedy and super skilled, but he didn't drive play or even maintain it very well.  Like he was waiting for something most of the time.  Let's hope Mantha fits in well and works hard for us.  His size will certainly have an impact.  Mantha and Oshie on the same line will be a tough line to play against.  No idea what type of forechecker Mantha is, but I'd hope with his size he can grind in the corners.


I'm curious what Mantha thinks about the move to Washington.  I mean it's a competitive playoff team at least but it aint no real hockey town.  He's definitely going to have an opportunity here, but still wonder what the culture shock factor will be for him.

[richkrt99]

20 minute Mantha highlight reel....

[Beaglefan2]

Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline?  If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha.  Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid.  I actually liked Panik.  He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.


So who sits if Raffl is starting?  Sprong?  If so, I hate to see that.

[richkrt99]

Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline?  If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha.  Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid.  I actually liked Panik.  He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.


So who sits if Raffl is starting?  Sprong?  If so, I hate to see that.

I think most teams "buying"  will generally overpay a bit.  And I don't think you can break it down to simple a + B + c = D exactly.  It took a combination of things, and NO WAY would Detroit trade Mantha straight up for Vranna.  I do think we overpaid a bit, but I think Mantha will be a much better fit for this squad.  Yes we got bigger (and slower) as someone else posted, but a speedy Vrana didn't add up to much other than some highlight break away moments.  Pretty and exciting  - very much so when it happened, but other than that not a big enough plus for this team.  I think Mantha is a good fit for what the Caps wanted so he was "worth" more to the Caps than maybe some other teams.
Also, I don't think Panik was bad, he did hustle and hit, but they needed to move salary so....that's what happens


And I don't think it was a bad unbalanced trade.


We shall see how Mantha works out.  If he turns out to be a lazy bum, then it will look bad later, but who knows.


And Raffl is on IR for now so we don't have to worry about how to make room for him at the moment.


I miss Siegs already  .  Them moving Siegs tells me they think by the time we would have needed him...Kempny will be back or Fever or Alexeyev will be ready.
I think Ziggy was one the Caps most responsible D last year. 


 

[DC_1908]

But see, a game like is shown in the video you posted doesn't answer questions about intensity and consistency, it raises them.  It shows one 4-goal game, isolated, by a guy who in his best years has been a 20+ goal scorer.  That ONE game shows massive talent.  Why doesn't total performance add up to more than what his stats say he is?

. What I do see is you trying to twist the context of footage showing he has one of the harder shots in league to support the bullshit you heard about "consistency".  "But see", not once did I mention that there.

We get it, you already hate Mantha because you think it will make you look smart 

Besides, Mantha in low game, still plays harder than most of The Caps over the years, namely Kuzy & Carlson

[BlackIce]

I don't hate Mantha.  You really like to put words in people's mouths that they don't say.


I just mentioned that word from Detroit and the league is that he has been inconsistent and his effort level has been reported as lower than expected at times.  I'm sure the Caps made this trade figuring to get a player who is much more motivated now that he is playing important games.  Otherwise, they way, way overpaid.
Now if Glendening had been included in the trade, it would have been much more even, though the team really wouldn't have room for both him and Dowd.  If I'm going to judge whether word I hear from professionals around the league, including from the team that he has played for, will carry more or less weight than the opinions you express, you can probably guess which way I'm going.


I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net.  There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line:  His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million.  That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is.  The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap.  It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work.  Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.

[capsfanpdx]

Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.

I like Kempny but his injury doesn't bode well for a great return.  It is just tough.

Injury Progress

[richkrt99]

I keeping reading posts (elsewhere) about Mantha being lazy and inconsistent, and didn't score enough in Detroit, and Caps were idiots for letting a talent like Vrana go. 


But...Manth was on a trash team, so his stats are not going to be like he's playing with Tampa or Colorado or the Caps who score a lot of goals.  Or like on a team with multiple good scoring lines.  Detroit has 99 goals this year (ouch).  Mantha has 11g and 10A for 21 points making him the best and most balanced scorer on the team.
Nobody on that team has more than 11 goals or 22 points TOTAL.  Larkin has 8G, 14A.  Hronek has 2G, 20A, Fabbri 10G 8A, Erne 11G 6A, etc.
It's easier to match up against teams like Detroit with only a few good scoring players, so it's easier to focus on them and shut them down.


I'm not saying Mantha would be a 30g guy somewhere else, but he was the best scorer on the team so that's got to come from somewhere.  He scored 95G, 194 pts in 302 NHL games.  That's  .314 GPG and per game and .642 pts per game, all on a bottom feeder team.  Vrana has 76G 81A in 284 games giving him .267 GPG and  .552 pts per game and that's with Washington.
I would expect Mantha would score more with Washington than he did with Detroit based on the level of talent and scoring on both squads.


Vrana by comparison has 76G and 157pts in 284 games with the Caps (on a loaded team) and 11g, 14A this year on one of the best teams in hockey.  I'm not knocking Vrana, but he and Mantha scored almost exactly the same number of goals/points, and Vrana is a very good team and is defensive liability almost anywhere on the ice.


Plus with his size Mantha brings more to the table.  Forecheck, mucking, big shot, etc.   Basically a true power forward (and a BIG one) which are very hard to come by these days.


Time will tell, but I'm hoping Mantha can make a really big impact here - especially when it comes to playoff style hockey.  Detroit last made the playoffs in 2016 which is about when Mantha started (he played 60 games that year)


AND....If Vrana were living up to his great potential everyone keeps touting....He would have 25goals this season and he would still be here.


Geez....defending the guy already and he has yet to play a minute with Washington.












 

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I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net.  There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line:  His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million.  That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is.  The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap.  It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work.  Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.

If it were me, I'd get rid of Carlsons contract. He doesn't bring anything that can't easily be replaced defensively, and we've had guys fill in at PP1 QB that did just as well there to. Keeping Seigs would've been that answer, at least for a year or two until a couple guys in Hershey are ready.

[DC_1908]

I don't hate Mantha.  You really like to put words in people's mouths that they don't say.


I just mentioned that word from Detroit and the league is that he has been inconsistent and his effort level has been reported as lower than expected at times.  I'm sure the Caps made this trade figuring to get a player who is much more motivated now that he is playing important games.  Otherwise, they way, way overpaid.
Now if Glendening had been included in the trade, it would have been much more even, though the team really wouldn't have room for both him and Dowd.  If I'm going to judge whether word I hear from professionals around the league, including from the team that he has played for, will carry more or less weight than the opinions you express, you can probably guess which way I'm going.


I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net.  There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line:  His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million.  That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is.  The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap.  It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work.  Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.

No, i just call you out on your phony arrogance, & watch you immediately play a victim in an attempt to distract from being called out. The exact pattern is guaranteed.


By the way, I said what your saying 2-3 yrs ago.  What this does is give us a better player for two years without having an RFA in Varna, its NOT a rental to go all in this year.

[Chaos43]

Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.

    For what possible reason? I think he is done here.