2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves

[richkrt99]

Wow?  Really?


Basically everything JUSTWIN said...


I am still surprised.


But one thing....Now that he is on the Caps, will he be allowed to hit people without suffering a suspension? 

[richkrt99]

That makes Mantha the 6th highest paid Cap at $5.7m


Caps are about $279k over the cap limit....although I am sure there is some allowed overage


and




Who the hell is Michael Raffl?  Picked him up from Philthy.


https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2021/04/12/capitals-acquire-michael-raffl-from-flyers-in-last-minute-trade-deadline-deal/

[zerofox]

The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.

The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.

But the more I think about it, the more I love it.

Mantha is a big rig who can score.

Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.

Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.

Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.


Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.

[zerofox]

The more I think about this, the more I actually like it.  My first thought was that the price was too high.  But then I started thinking:
1) Vrana is persona non grata with Lavy.
2) Panik is already on the taxi squad and we dumped his contract. 
3) Apparently the 2021 draft class is weaker than we’ve recently had so losing that 1st may hurt less.
4) since Mantha is signed for 3 more years, this isn’t a rental.

So, it’s one guy Lavy isn’t playing plus one guy on the taxi squad plus a weaker than normal first plus the 2022 2nd for another Tom Wilson signed for the balance of our Cup window with Ovy/Backy.

In that light, I’m liking this trade more and more.

Agree 100%

[zerofox]

Didn't see that coming.. I'll miss Jake The Snake, but he never really turned into what everyone was hoping. Sounds like Mantha is a big boy who can play! Guess we'll see.. Raffl doesn't sound bad either!

Jake can thank Sheary for taking his spot! If he had Sheary's tenacity on the puck this wouldn't of happened.

We may have lost Jake's potential but we also lost his attitude and on/off laziness, which is a net positive for us. Can't afford to have a mopey player bringing down the locker room.


Jake probably had a different idea of what a "non compete clause" really means.

[alta]

This says they announced this just after 3:00, I think their clocks are a tad off. This trade looks good.

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/report-capitals-acquire-anthony-mantha-from-red-wings-for-jakub-vrana-richard-panik/


not sure about this one


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/report-capitals-acquire-left-winger-michael-raffl-from-flyers/

[richkrt99]

The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.

The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.

But the more I think about it, the more I love it.

Mantha is a big rig who can score.

Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.

Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.

Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.


Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.

I didn't know anything about either player but looking ant Mantha - the Caps just got bigger and a whole hell of a lot tougher to play against.  I liked Jake, but he was not progressing and he hurt the team most of the time he was on the ice, not to mention if there were off ice whiney issues. (who really knows)
Raffl looks to be a bottom six guy who can kill some penalties and be defensively responsible.  Basically a replacement for Panik at about 1/3 of the price.


Other than the draft pics, I really like this move.  Bigger, Tougher, AND under contract for 3 years....we were Losing Vrana end of the year anyway- No way we were going to pay him 4+mill to keep him.


How much does it suck for Jake to go from a contender to a bottom feeder team (Sorry DC).  Maybe the move will be good for Jake and he finds his game in Detroit.


Now if only I could actually watch the games....

[BlackIce]

The problem with Mantha is that his big problem with Detroit seems to be -- inconsistency and a lack of competitiveness at times.  [size=78%]So have we traded Ferrari Vrana for 18-wheeler Vrana?  [/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]Maybe the Caps suspect that Mantha was getting frustrated by Detroit's lack of recent success, and they figure he will be reinvigorated by the change of scenery.  It isn't that Mantha is a big hitter or fighter or anything.  I think the price was awfully high, but the prevailing attitude was that the Caps were willing to do whatever it takes to make a splash in the playoffs this year.  I'd be happier with the trade if Glendening were coming back in addition to Mantha, but I guess what is, is.[/size]


I keep hearing about the Caps being all in for the Cup again this year, but I don't think that they can be considered anything more than a wildcard in the Stanley Cup playoffs as long as they have zero playoff experience in goal.  We really have no clue what we are going to get in net when the regular season ends.


So Mantha is seen as a top 6 scoring winger.  If he and Wilson are the top 6 right wings, that would seem to move Oshie down to the 3rd line.  Maybe not a bad idea in a way, since Oshie is considered a good defensive player, but the problem is that his offensive output figures to drop off playing with Eller, who has never been a great playmaker.  It isn't clear to me that the Caps are upgrading themselves scoring-wise at all.


Maybe they want to try and win the cup by scaring everyone to death with bulk.

[BlackIce]

I have no idea how the font got screwed up in my previous post.

[richkrt99]

Mantha is a RW but shoots left   (so was Panik I guess)


Wonder where they put him.  I would assume top 6 but that means 2/3 of Sheary, Sprong & Oshie will be 3rd line.  Oshie makes it work anywhere.


I dig it.  I like big manly men type players.  This could be really good for playoff hockey.


Now if we could just decide on a netminder....and not allow 3 or more goals a game...

[richkrt99]

I have no idea how the font got screwed up in my previous post.

backspace key does it to me every time.


And I agree with you on the Caps ALL IN this year idea....is not realistic.  I mean they essentially have to be with the age of the core group, and this trade was definitely a move hopefully to improve but....I'm not feeling a serious SC run.


Please prove me wrong.  Go Caps

[Beaglefan2]

I like the guy they got but I think they overpaid substantially. If they hadn't scratched Vrana and put Panik on waivers, they would have had more trade value.  I just hate giving up a first and a second. We spend draft picks like we have a lot of them.  Based on the comments on NHL radio, Mantha is good but hasn't ever lived up to expectations and we way overpaid.

[zerofox]

backspace key does it to me every time.


And I agree with you on the Caps ALL IN this year idea....is not realistic.  I mean they essentially have to be with the age of the core group, and this trade was definitely a move hopefully to improve but....I'm not feeling a serious SC run.


Please prove me wrong.  Go Caps

I think overall age across the roster and inexperience in net will be big issues for us. Our positives are size and defensive depth, but I have a feeling that the negatives may outweigh the positives. I am on team Lavi though, I think he's a solid coach and I do hope he can take us to a Cup win, just not thinking it will be this year.

[richkrt99]

So....


Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so.   


Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border? 


((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)

[alta]

So....


Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so.   


Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border? 


((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)

 

[Chaos43]

the Caps really need to dump Carlson’s contract

     Why would you dump Carlson? He is too valuable offensively and on the PP.  We have no one close to him offensively.

[Chaos43]

The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.

The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.

But the more I think about it, the more I love it.

Mantha is a big rig who can score.

Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.

Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.

Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.


Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.

     I don't think Panik is a terrible player but he is pretty average at everything.
He is more of a role player. We just didn't have a role for him.

[Chaos43]

I like the guy they got but I think they overpaid substantially. If they hadn't scratched Vrana and put Panik on waivers, they would have had more trade value.  I just hate giving up a first and a second. We spend draft picks like we have a lot of them.  Based on the comments on NHL radio, Mantha is good but hasn't ever lived up to expectations and we way overpaid.

     I pretty much agree. I like Manta and I have no problem seeing Panik and Vrana gone. The 2 drafts picks thrown in is quite bit.
     Vrana did this to himself.  Most here have commented about his lack of effort over the past few years.

[BlackIce]

How the hell did they find the cap space?  Whatever.. Fuck em'!! 

Vrana's cap hit was 3+ million and Panik 2 1/4 million, or something like that.  Throw in the jettisoning of Siegenthaler and I think the room is there.  Maybe there with Vrana and Panik combined, which is how they afforded to add Raffl, or whatever his name is.

[canadiancapman]

Raffl is solid and sound defensively. Will probably be used on the pk. A good pick up for the bottom 6 role.