GDT#27 Capitals @ Golden Knights 10p.m. Tue Dec 4, 2018 NBCSWA, SN, ATTSN-RM

[PUCKNRUSH]

 These last two games, feel eerily similar to The point we were at on that road trip where we were playing either Colorado or Arizona, I can’t quite remember!! ANYWAY,


We then heard about Trotz going off in the locker room and dressing everybody down!  That’s when they had their turn around last year!   Who the hell knows?  I do know this. You CANT decide to turn on the afterburners on a penalty kill, with five minutes left in the game, when you’ve been playing low-energy for the 55 minutes prior to that, and expect to WIN!!


 Hell, Vegas gave us enough chances to beat their asses!
 Just like “death by 1000 cuts”, its “death by 1000 missed opportunities“!


Rush

[PUCKNRUSH]

Have a good evening everyone!


 Well said on your last post, Devise!


Rush

[ArJunaZ]

1st Period
02:30  Knights PP GOAL Reaves, assists Eakin & Lindberg   1-0 VGK
15:33  GOAL 13-Vrana, assist 10-Connolly   1-1 TIE

2nd Period
11:42  GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 10-Connolly & 22-Bowey   2-1 WSH

3rd Period
02:33  Knights GOAL Bellemare, assists McNabb & Schmidt   2-2 TIE
02:49  Knights GOAL Eakin, assists Lindberg & Engelland   3-2 VGK
11:40  GOAL 13-Vrana, assists 92-Kuznetsov & 2-Niskanen   3-3 TIE
18:35  Knights PP GOAL Schmidt, assist Theodore   5-4 VGK
19:53  Knights GOAL Schmidt, unassisted   5-3 VGK

FINAL:    5-3 VGK

[Maacoshark]

I mean, the last goal we gave up that wasn't an ENG was soft on Holts but you can't fault him for that. We should of won that game, we only showed character in bursts as Vegas attempted to play a shut up and hit hockey game. We matched, for stretches, but when we didn't it mattered. And when we needed to make them pay on the PP our boys simply didn't work for it. Playing set up and pass around instead of pushing to the net.


This loss could certainly be a bigger deal than just an L. We'll have to see. Response is needed next game, for sure. Like a hard character game time.

    I'm not entirely sure but that goal may had been deflected by Niskanen whether is was deflected or not Niskanen played that very poorly.

[alta]

These last two games, feel eerily similar to The point we were at on that road trip where we were playing either Colorado or Arizona, I can’t quite remember!! ANYWAY,


We then heard about Trotz going off in the locker room and dressing everybody down!  That’s when they had their turn around last year!   Who the hell knows?  I do know this. You CANT decide to turn on the afterburners on a penalty kill, with five minutes left in the game, when you’ve been playing low-energy for the 55 minutes prior to that, and expect to WIN!!


 Hell, Vegas gave us enough chances to beat their asses!
 Just like “death by 1000 cuts”, its “death by 1000 missed opportunities“!


Rush

It was Colorado, and this isn't that bad, yet

[alta]

I can't wait to see how consistent DoPS is tomorrow

[DC_1908]

I can't wait to see how consistent DoPS is tomorrow

i’ll guarentee you they’ll be consistently subjective and corrupt with no honor or integrity whatsoever as they always are.


Watching the replay, any of our players going after Reeves was laughable, embarrassing,and utterly insulting.


But hey,, if we loose a third player to headshots, Mr Leonsis, Mr Dickless, and Mr BetaMake say that’s just “bad luck”, “other teams are just bully’s”, “the DOPS is cleaning uo the game so buy more tickets”, “giving up 4 goals in a period is just the “New more  Entertaining NHK”. and people will just believe it believe it.

[apace41]

PP just lost the game. They will get momentum and we will lose. I will miss it. Too late.

I hate waking up to find out I was right.   

[apace41]

Fucking DoPS will probably suspend Willy for "backing into Reaves". 

This league is a fucking joke.

[DC_1908]

And here’s the clip that has people laughing at us

[DC_1908]

1st Period
02:30  Knights PP GOAL Reaves, assists Eakin & Lindberg   1-0 VGK
15:33  GOAL 13-Vrana, assist 10-Connolly   1-1 TIE

2nd Period
11:42  GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 10-Connolly & 22-Bowey   2-1 WSH




then:
3rd Period
02:33  Knights GOAL Bellemare, assists McNabb & Schmidt   2-2 TIE
02:49  Knights GOAL Eakin, assists Lindberg & Engelland   3-2 VGK
11:40  GOAL 13-Vrana, assists 92-Kuznetsov & 2-Niskanen   3-3 TIE
18:35  Knights PP GOAL Schmidt, assist Theodore   5-4 VGK
19:53  Knights GOAL Schmidt, unassisted   5-3 VGK

FINAL:    5-3 VGK

[Maacoshark]

Had a feeling something was going to happen. Reeves was targeting Wilson the whole game.

[richkrt99]

I started watching late (about 11) watched the first, fell asleep at intermission.  Woke up it was 3-3.  Fell asleep before the final downfall.  That loss is on Holtby.  HAVE TO have that one with 24 seconds left.  I mean the whole team played poorly and you can't put it all on one guy, but you have to have that one.  No excuse there and I'm sure Holtby feels the same.  Don't get me wrong, Holtby saves our bacon more often than not and we get wins we don't deserve because of him, but that was a gift.  Cost us one point at least.  Not sure we'd have had a good outcome in OT because we really didn't deserve the win, but with 3 on 3 you never know - it's such a crap shoot


Everyone is griping about the PP, and it has been bad last couple, but overall are not our PP stats pretty good?  You can't judge it over a few game stretch (and we do have key guys missing).
Same goeas for two losses in a row.  Two losses after what? Six wins in a row?  I'll take that kind of streak anytime.  You ain't going to win them all.


The loss of Willy is my biggest concern.  He drives this team in more ways than one.


Now I know this is not going to be popular, but I don't think the Reaves hit deserves suspension.  I love Willy, and I don't like Reaves.  The hit was late, definitely late, but Reaves planted his shoulder in Willy's shoulder.  I just watched the replay several times (thanks to.....whoever posted it).  WTF did willy not have his helmet strapped?  Reaves caught him good, but there was no head contact whatsoever. AS IN ALL replays, you watch is in slow mo and it seems really late, but watch it full speed and it's pretty quick from time Willy passes puck until the hit.  If you are advocating suspension for this hit, then under the same parameters you would have wanted Willy suspended for the hit a few games ago.  There is the difference that Reaves WAS trying to hit Willy, but use the same argument we use EVERY TIME Willy gets called.....the players need to protect themselves.  Willy has his head turned facing the opposite direction of his progression.  There are always uncontrollable factors and the game is so fast, you can't suspend someone every time they hit someone.  Put it this way.  Reverse the two players.  Had Willy hit Reaves in this EXACT circumstance - would you be calling for a suspension?  Look at the replay and be honest.  The DOPS is warped and inconsistent, and gets it wrong alot (IMO), but if YOU are the DOPS (and Not the Caps fan that you are) what factor would lead you to the conclusion that this should result in suspension.  Because the player is injured? 


The real problem is Willy's head hit the ice.  Is it Reaves fault Willy's helmet wasn't strapped?  I think if his helmet is on, there is no injury.
I love Willy.  He is one of my very favorite players.  He gets a bad rap most of the time. But if the roles were exactly reversed, I would not want Willy suspended for this hit, despite his "record"

[Mickstix]

  Had Willy hit Reaves in this EXACT circumstance - would you be calling for a suspension? 

Wouldn't be calling for it, but would be like "oh well, that was stupid,  he'll probably sit"  My problem with it is because it's too reckless.. The puck is long gone. He knows the puck is gone, he doesn't hold up at all, just blasts him in the back/shoulder? Funny thing is, Reaves can/will probably beat Wilson in a heads up fight, but he chose some chicken shit tactic. He knew better. Hope he gets suspended. Im obviously a Wilson homer, but I truly believe Wilson does NOT go out of his way to cheap shot anyone. He plays near the edge but I don't recall him just blasting someone with their back to him once the puck was well on it's way in a different direction. If that's a smaller player, they're probably eating applesauce and having someone wipe their butt for them.. Hope he's not out too long. But it'll be a while, imo..


Edit: On another note. One thing I know from experience, revenge is a mother fucker! I'd expect the next time their on the ice together we'll see an immediate, motivated, 25 year old Wilson fight a 32 year old Reaves! Should be his best effort! Can't fucking wait!! 

[waynerivers]

Reaves is a dirtbag and Vegas is easily the dirtiest team in the league.  What last night also showed is that, despite our success last spring, when up against large, heavily checking forwards, our midget sized defense has problems.  Carlson has size but doesn't use it enough.  Kempny is solid.  The rest of them get beaten on the boards and behind the net and get pushed around too much.  They also have a hard time clearing guys out in front. Without Orpik, it's especially noticeable.  What they need to do is probably make a trade at some point and try to pick up a physical d-man.  Maybe package Burakovsky and another player or draft picks.  I can't see them doing again what they did last year with this defense crew.

[DC_1908]

Reaves is a dirtbag and Vegas is easily the dirtiest team in the league.  What last night also showed is that, despite our success last spring, when up against large, heavily checking forwards, our midget sized defense has problems.  Carlson has size but doesn't use it enough.  Kempny is solid.  The rest of them get beaten on the boards and behind the net and get pushed around too much.  They also have a hard time clearing guys out in front. Without Orpik, it's especially noticeable.  What they need to do is probably make a trade at some point and try to pick up a physical d-man.  Maybe package Burakovsky and another player or draft picks.  I can't see them doing again what they did last year with this defense crew.

I wouldn't call Reeves a dirtbag.  He's physically dominant, aggressive, will fight anybody,200ft player,  (iow the way ya should play), and still is putting up more goals then those on our "third scoring line".  The issue is, with Wilson being relied on as a top scorer, we have no one to counter Reeves and his style, yet alone use in the role. 


That being said, I completely agree with you on not only the DCorps,  but the rest of the team sans Willy.  Physicality, intensity, and aggression have been void 99% of the season, and given the injuries and circumstances of Oshie, Kuzy and Wilson injures, to is absolutely clear that is a major issue  and will continue to be exploited by our opponents.

[DC_1908]

I started watching late (about 11) watched the first, fell asleep at intermission.  Woke up it was 3-3.  Fell asleep before the final downfall.  That loss is on Holtby.  HAVE TO have that one with 24 seconds left.  I mean the whole team played poorly and you can't put it all on one guy, but you have to have that one.  No excuse there and I'm sure Holtby feels the same.  Don't get me wrong, Holtby saves our bacon more often than not and we get wins we don't deserve because of him, but that was a gift.  Cost us one point at least.  Not sure we'd have had a good outcome in OT because we really didn't deserve the win, but with 3 on 3 you never know - it's such a crap shoot


Everyone is griping about the PP, and it has been bad last couple, but overall are not our PP stats pretty good?  You can't judge it over a few game stretch (and we do have key guys missing).
Same goeas for two losses in a row.  Two losses after what? Six wins in a row?  I'll take that kind of streak anytime.  You ain't going to win them all.


The loss of Willy is my biggest concern.  He drives this team in more ways than one.


Now I know this is not going to be popular, but I don't think the Reaves hit deserves suspension.  I love Willy, and I don't like Reaves.  The hit was late, definitely late, but Reaves planted his shoulder in Willy's shoulder.  I just watched the replay several times (thanks to.....whoever posted it).  WTF did willy not have his helmet strapped?  Reaves caught him good, but there was no head contact whatsoever. AS IN ALL replays, you watch is in slow mo and it seems really late, but watch it full speed and it's pretty quick from time Willy passes puck until the hit.  If you are advocating suspension for this hit, then under the same parameters you would have wanted Willy suspended for the hit a few games ago.  There is the difference that Reaves WAS trying to hit Willy, but use the same argument we use EVERY TIME Willy gets called.....the players need to protect themselves.  Willy has his head turned facing the opposite direction of his progression.  There are always uncontrollable factors and the game is so fast, you can't suspend someone every time they hit someone.  Put it this way.  Reverse the two players.  Had Willy hit Reaves in this EXACT circumstance - would you be calling for a suspension?  Look at the replay and be honest.  The DOPS is warped and inconsistent, and gets it wrong alot (IMO), but if YOU are the DOPS (and Not the Caps fan that you are) what factor would lead you to the conclusion that this should result in suspension.  Because the player is injured? 


The real problem is Willy's head hit the ice.  Is it Reaves fault Willy's helmet wasn't strapped?  I think if his helmet is on, there is no injury.
I love Willy.  He is one of my very favorite players.  He gets a bad rap most of the time. But if the roles were exactly reversed, I would not want Willy suspended for this hit, despite his "record"

i agree there should be no-suspension, not only do I loathe the concept of suspensions, and the DOPM, but suspendeding him doesn’t help us, it helps the teams VGK is playing against.   Additionally, it will give support to the NHLs bias.


As far as Willy going after him later. . . Reeves will be a tough fight for Willy, then factor in this injury and how dependent we are on him, we simply need a couple top-tier enforcers.

[alta]

I started watching late (about 11) watched the first, fell asleep at intermission.  Woke up it was 3-3.  Fell asleep before the final downfall.  That loss is on Holtby.  HAVE TO have that one with 24 seconds left.  I mean the whole team played poorly and you can't put it all on one guy, but you have to have that one.  No excuse there and I'm sure Holtby feels the same.  Don't get me wrong, Holtby saves our bacon more often than not and we get wins we don't deserve because of him, but that was a gift.  Cost us one point at least.  Not sure we'd have had a good outcome in OT because we really didn't deserve the win, but with 3 on 3 you never know - it's such a crap shoot


Everyone is griping about the PP, and it has been bad last couple, but overall are not our PP stats pretty good?  You can't judge it over a few game stretch (and we do have key guys missing).
Same goeas for two losses in a row.  Two losses after what? Six wins in a row?  I'll take that kind of streak anytime.  You ain't going to win them all.


The loss of Willy is my biggest concern.  He drives this team in more ways than one.


Now I know this is not going to be popular, but I don't think the Reaves hit deserves suspension.  I love Willy, and I don't like Reaves.  The hit was late, definitely late, but Reaves planted his shoulder in Willy's shoulder.  I just watched the replay several times (thanks to.....whoever posted it).  WTF did willy not have his helmet strapped?  Reaves caught him good, but there was no head contact whatsoever. AS IN ALL replays, you watch is in slow mo and it seems really late, but watch it full speed and it's pretty quick from time Willy passes puck until the hit.  If you are advocating suspension for this hit, then under the same parameters you would have wanted Willy suspended for the hit a few games ago.  There is the difference that Reaves WAS trying to hit Willy, but use the same argument we use EVERY TIME Willy gets called.....the players need to protect themselves.  Willy has his head turned facing the opposite direction of his progression.  There are always uncontrollable factors and the game is so fast, you can't suspend someone every time they hit someone.  Put it this way.  Reverse the two players.  Had Willy hit Reaves in this EXACT circumstance - would you be calling for a suspension?  Look at the replay and be honest.  The DOPS is warped and inconsistent, and gets it wrong alot (IMO), but if YOU are the DOPS (and Not the Caps fan that you are) what factor would lead you to the conclusion that this should result in suspension.  Because the player is injured? 


The real problem is Willy's head hit the ice.  Is it Reaves fault Willy's helmet wasn't strapped?  I think if his helmet is on, there is no injury.
I love Willy.  He is one of my very favorite players.  He gets a bad rap most of the time. But if the roles were exactly reversed, I would not want Willy suspended for this hit, despite his "record"

You need to watch the replay again. Willy did have the helmet strapped. That's how hard the hit was. Happens every now and then. I think hockey players intentionally use inferior straps as compared to the nfl, and the strap is never tight, always hangs just under the chin. I see no reason why hockey players won't strap their helmets tight like football does, but that's the way it's been since day one. As if to say alright we'll comply with the helmet rule, at the absolute minimum level

[alta]

Reeves is just like Willy, every fan outside of Vegas hates him but wants that kind of plater on their team. He also doesn't have the league scrutinizing his every play, thus he can play a little harder.

Reeves post game, mildly interesting....

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/12/05/ryan-reaves-on-his-hit-on-tom-wilson-he-was-just-looking-at-his-pass-and-ran-into-a-lion-in-the-jungle/#more-310096


it’s 1:00pm and I can’t find anything about supplemental discipline

[richkrt99]

Mick
Pretty much agree with your whole post
Especially the part about “smaller player”. I pretty much think that has been one of the main factors in Willy’s suspensions. The head contacts were a result of size and body positions of the hit players and not a target of Wiily


Geez I hate posting  from a phone. Eyes are way too old for this horseshit