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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #220 on: Thursday July 12, 2018, 01:57:57 PM Eastern »
Patrick Roy was a head coach in Colorado a couple of seasons, won the jack Adams. Martin brodure is currently an assistant gm with the st.louis blues
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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #221 on: Thursday July 12, 2018, 09:33:26 PM Eastern »
Touche. . . I forgot about Marty!
    Garth Snow was a GM until recently. Not  a very good GM I might  add.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #222 on: Friday July 13, 2018, 09:50:28 AM Eastern »
    Garth Snow was a GM until recently. Not  a very good GM I might  add.
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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #223 on: Sunday July 15, 2018, 01:16:22 PM Eastern »
Only because he was slamming the owner's daughter so does that really count? Lol

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #224 on: Monday July 16, 2018, 10:39:23 AM Eastern »
Look at Capfriendly  [https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/capitals], it's looks like Wilson and Bowey are the two outstanding issues.

Does anyone know of any timeline the Caps need to meet to get these two signed?  Since neither has a contract for next year, do they just need to be signed before training camp?  I've read somewhere that the Caps were looking to go longer term with Wilson,  which I like. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #225 on: Monday July 16, 2018, 11:39:36 AM Eastern »
Look at Capfriendly  [https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/capitals], it's looks like Wilson and Bowey are the two outstanding issues.

Does anyone know of any timeline the Caps need to meet to get these two signed?  Since neither has a contract for next year, do they just need to be signed before training camp?  I've read somewhere that the Caps were looking to go longer term with Wilson,  which I like.


It's depends how the CBA is written, but I'm guessing the player has to have a contract by the time the season starts.


I'd love to see Willy signed long term too. But what's long term? If I were the GM, regardless of the cap hit, I wouldn't go longer than 6 years. Thats the longest I'd go for these days for anyone. IMHO, the Oshie contract is too long, thankfully it's not a major cap hit like Carlsons is. Carlsons contract is gonna hurt this team in the next couple years. After getting burned by Jäger, I was amazed Ted signed OVs extension, 13 years was too long, and I think he got a little contract lazy the past few years.
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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #226 on: Monday July 16, 2018, 03:20:14 PM Eastern »

It's depends how the CBA is written, but I'm guessing the player has to have a contract by the time the season starts.


I'd love to see Willy signed long term too. But what's long term? If I were the GM, regardless of the cap hit, I wouldn't go longer than 6 years. Thats the longest I'd go for these days for anyone. IMHO, the Oshie contract is too long, thankfully it's not a major cap hit like Carlsons is. Carlsons contract is gonna hurt this team in the next couple years. After getting burned by Jäger, I was amazed Ted signed OVs extension, 13 years was too long, and I think he got a little contract lazy the past few years.


There is no timeline but obviously they can’t play untill they sign a contract but I don’t see either player holding out. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #227 on: Friday July 20, 2018, 07:12:19 AM Eastern »
And now Bowey is signed -- 2 years at an AAV of $1 million.  I'm surprised -- I thought he'd get a bit more than that; I was guessing $1.3 million AAV.


So now the only moves left to make are Wilson and whatever veteran 7th defenseman they bring in.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #228 on: Saturday July 21, 2018, 04:41:30 PM Eastern »
My wish list:

Wilson
Bottom pairing veteran D so Bowey is on the outside looking in as the 7th man
Experienced 4th line forward or backup goalie in case current options don't pan out




As it stands (I'm assuming Wilson gets signed), the Caps have a very potent top 9 forwards and top 4 defense


Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Wilson (If Wilson can continue to prove that Top Line Tom is viable and Ovi/Kuzy continue being themselves, this will be a stellar line)
Vrana-Backstrom-Oshie (If Vrana is given more chances to shine under Reirden and steps up, and Backy/Oshie continue being themselves, this will also be a great 2nd line)
Burakovsky-Eller-Connolly (Probably a little more risk with this line. They're all talented players but could easily go cold. Eller and Connolly I'm less concerned about, but Burakovsky is too on/off at times)


Niskanen, Carlson, Orlov, and Kempny are a top 4 that I fully trust. Djoos is a solid bottom pairing guy IMO. I just don't want Bowey to be the 6th guy and force us to play two rookies at all times.


With $7 million in cap space, we should easily be able to sign Wilson and get at least one of the other pieces I'd like to see

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #229 on: Saturday July 21, 2018, 05:53:51 PM Eastern »
My wish list:

Wilson
Bottom pairing veteran D so Bowey is on the outside looking in as the 7th man
Experienced 4th line forward or backup goalie in case current options don't pan out




As it stands (I'm assuming Wilson gets signed), the Caps have a very potent top 9 forwards and top 4 defense


Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Wilson (If Wilson can continue to prove that Top Line Tom is viable and Ovi/Kuzy continue being themselves, this will be a stellar line)
Vrana-Backstrom-Oshie (If Vrana is given more chances to shine under Reirden and steps up, and Backy/Oshie continue being themselves, this will also be a great 2nd line)
Burakovsky-Eller-Connolly (Probably a little more risk with this line. They're all talented players but could easily go cold. Eller and Connolly I'm less concerned about, but Burakovsky is too on/off at times)


Niskanen, Carlson, Orlov, and Kempny are a top 4 that I fully trust. Djoos is a solid bottom pairing guy IMO. I just don't want Bowey to be the 6th guy and force us to play two rookies at all times.


With $7 million in cap space, we should easily be able to sign Wilson and get at least one of the other pieces I'd like to see
    I partially agree. I'm still not sold on Vrana or Burakovsky. I think Vrana can still prove himself but I'd like to see Burakovsky gone. I'd also like to see Stephenson in more than just a checking role. He is very good defensively but he has some skill and is a great skater.
    On defense our top 3 is solid. Still not sure about Kempny. He played well in the playoffs, but was it him or the system. He didnt look good when he first got here. We need to see more of him to gauge him better.
   I disagree with your assessment on the 3rd pairing. Bowey did struggle last season. He is a rookie so it was expected. Djoos had his struggles too yet you seem to be giving him a free pass. Djoos is better moving the puck but that's about it. He isn't good defensively and he might be physically the weakest player in the NHL. Bowey has enough size and strength to be a solid NHL dman. He also has a decent shot. He just needs to make quicker decisions. I think Bowey passes Djoos on the depth chart before long. Some of our other prospects may pass him too.
   To be honest if we add a veteran to play on the 3rd pairing I'd rather see Bowey than Djoos.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #230 on: Saturday July 21, 2018, 10:38:48 PM Eastern »
Kempny looked poor when he first got here, but settled in and was fine the rest of the regular season and playoffs. He's not a concern at this point.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #231 on: Sunday July 22, 2018, 03:20:59 AM Eastern »
My wish list:

Wilson
Bottom pairing veteran D so Bowey is on the outside looking in as the 7th man
Experienced 4th line forward or backup goalie in case current options don't pan out




As it stands (I'm assuming Wilson gets signed), the Caps have a very potent top 9 forwards and top 4 defense


Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Wilson (If Wilson can continue to prove that Top Line Tom is viable and Ovi/Kuzy continue being themselves, this will be a stellar line)
Vrana-Backstrom-Oshie (If Vrana is given more chances to shine under Reirden and steps up, and Backy/Oshie continue being themselves, this will also be a great 2nd line)
Burakovsky-Eller-Connolly (Probably a little more risk with this line. They're all talented players but could easily go cold. Eller and Connolly I'm less concerned about, but Burakovsky is too on/off at times)


Niskanen, Carlson, Orlov, and Kempny are a top 4 that I fully trust. Djoos is a solid bottom pairing guy IMO. I just don't want Bowey to be the 6th guy and force us to play two rookies at all times.


With $7 million in cap space, we should easily be able to sign Wilson and get at least one of the other pieces I'd like to see


Mostly agree with you entirely here. I'm not sold on Bowey, he needs more time in the AHL. I know some people think he could be something, but I just don't think he has the decision making. Everything I saw of him showed overwhelmed, and not like some of our other rookies. Yes they were making mistakes but it felt like they were making mistakes as they were seasoning into the role, a bad timed pinch here, a mistimed or misplayed break there. Bowey felt like he was overwhelmed by every forecheck, every outlet pass. It just felt like the pace of the game was too much for him.


Now maybe that is just first season jitters or what have you. But until I see otherwise I'm far more excited about Alexeyev, who I think is going to impress people at camp and maybe even sniff a roster spot if not this season next. He's big at 6'4 and the scouts don't dub him your typical soft European players. Just look at some draft profile thoughts here.


https://thehockeywriters.com/alexander-alexeyev-2018-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/


They note his size (he has grown to 6'4, remember as a kid he coudl get bigger), how unlike typical players from Europe he doesn't focus on finesse but instead focuses on a no nonsense mistake free game. Uses his size, is willing to be physical when needs to, has adapted well to the smaller rinks. Not an offensive stud, but he can skate and pass well for a guy his size. All of this to me sounds like the ideal 6th defender we need. We have well more than enough offensive minded defenders, and if we can get a blue liner who can skate and play good defense?


Again, I think people are sleeping on this kid. By next season, he's a head of the depth chart for both Djoos and Bowey for me. If not this season. The only argument I've seen is he may do good with another year of seasoning with the Rebels (my hometown btw Red Deer) in the WHL, which he would be eligible for as he doesn't turn 19 until November.




Moving on from the prospect chart side of things, right now other than a gritty checker on the fourth line to compliment DSP/Stephenson, my biggest concern is also the third line. The only player I'm sure about on that line is Eller. He gives his all every night, crashes the net, forechecks, makes good cycles/passes. The problem is pairing him with shooters and skaters like Connolly and Burt hasn't always proved fruitful. One, tough, gritty like minded player with Eller was great for us. Stephenson sometimes bounced with him, as did DSP and it always worked. I really do feel like our team is structured as such that we only need one of Connolly or Burt, and given trade value and play style I think I'd much rather get rid of Burt and see if we can find a third liner to fit with the structure of that line a lot more.



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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #232 on: Sunday July 22, 2018, 09:57:32 AM Eastern »

Moving on from the prospect chart side of things, right now other than a gritty checker on the fourth line to compliment DSP/Stephenson, my biggest concern is also the third line. The only player I'm sure about on that line is Eller. He gives his all every night, crashes the net, forechecks, makes good cycles/passes. The problem is pairing him with shooters and skaters like Connolly and Burt hasn't always proved fruitful. One, tough, gritty like minded player with Eller was great for us. Stephenson sometimes bounced with him, as did DSP and it always worked. I really do feel like our team is structured as such that we only need one of Connolly or Burt, and given trade value and play style I think I'd much rather get rid of Burt and see if we can find a third liner to fit with the structure of that line a lot more.


My concern about trading Burakovsky is we somehow have a repeat of the Forsberg fiasco where Burakovsky magically turns into a stud within another team. I know I know, different players and different circumstances, but a small part of me wants to continue to develop Burky. On the other hand though, he is way too shaky and way too much of an enigma at times. Some days he's off, and then occasionally he'll have a killer game. I want a consistent player who comes to work every day. I think given Burky's age and potential ceiling, right now his trade value is higher than his actual value to our team. I just don't know if I'd want us to part with him yet.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #233 on: Sunday July 22, 2018, 08:04:18 PM Eastern »
I think there is an outside chance that both DSP and Stephenson get 3rd line minutes - particularly if Burky or Conno go cold.  Again, good problems to have - i.e., talents like DSP and Stephenson as 4th liners (although replacing Beags is a big ask of Chandler; I'm hopeful he can get it done!).

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #234 on: Sunday July 22, 2018, 08:14:36 PM Eastern »
I think there is an outside chance that both DSP and Stephenson get 3rd line minutes - particularly if Burky or Conno go cold.  Again, good problems to have - i.e., talents like DSP and Stephenson as 4th liners (although replacing Beags is a big ask of Chandler; I'm hopeful he can get it done!).
nice thought, but particularly when everyone is healthy, no way in hell this organization plays better players over Bura & Connolly

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« Reply #235 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 08:01:06 AM Eastern »
I think there is an outside chance that both DSP and Stephenson get 3rd line minutes - particularly if Burky or Conno go cold.  Again, good problems to have - i.e., talents like DSP and Stephenson as 4th liners (although replacing Beags is a big ask of Chandler; I'm hopeful he can get it done!).
     Stephenson is already a better all round player than Beagle. The only thing Beagle is better at is faceoffs.

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« Reply #236 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 08:04:09 AM Eastern »
nice thought, but particularly when everyone is healthy, no way in hell this organization plays better players over Bura & Connolly
    You are probably right. I'd like to see Stephenson further up in the lineup. He played on all 4 lines last season and didnt look out if place. DSP is better suited as a 4th line player. He played on other lines but played better on the 4th line.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #237 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 08:08:56 AM Eastern »
I think if Burky can stay healthy he is going to have a big year.  His biggest problem the last two years has been getting injured.  I am looking for he and Vrana to have big years this season.  If they don’t I think it could be a long season.  Oshie also needs to have a better season than last year, needs to score at least 25 goals.  However, I am very optimistic for the upcoming season, I am not saying they are going to repeat but they will be in contention.  BMac has done a great job of acquiring players to fill  needs that arise during the season and hopefully that will continue.  I can’t wait for the season to get started.  Just a couple more months.  I do think Toronto will be the team to beat though.  With Tavares and Matthews they are going to be tough to beat. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #238 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 11:22:17 AM Eastern »
Bura is still seen as a young guy with a high upside. They are going to give him EVERY chance they can, but I also think if there is limited improvement this year then he may be sent packing at the deadline.  Connelly on the other hand is what he is. There is no big potential break out coming there. I don't have a huge issue if the guy plays on the bottom 6, bit also wouldn't be mad if he wasn't here either. I'd like some more grit in the bottom 6.

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« Reply #239 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 09:41:03 PM Eastern »
I think if Burky can stay healthy he is going to have a big year.  His biggest problem the last two years has been getting injured.  I am looking for he and Vrana to have big years this season.  If they don’t I think it could be a long season.  Oshie also needs to have a better season than last year, needs to score at least 25 goals.  However, I am very optimistic for the upcoming season, I am not saying they are going to repeat but they will be in contention.  BMac has done a great job of acquiring players to fill  needs that arise during the season and hopefully that will continue.  I can’t wait for the season to get started.  Just a couple more months.  I do think Toronto will be the team to beat though.  With Tavares and Matthews they are going to be tough to beat.
   Burakovsky has more problems than getting injured. He is lacking in hockey IQ.