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2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Mickstix:
I think he's just in the dog house at the moment. If he comes back and coach doesn't see what he needs, I suppose they could try and trade or leave him open for the expansion. I don't think benching a player does much for their trade value though. If they really were considering it, they'd just keep playing him and try and make a move as soon as possible, imo.
Sheary brings much of the same "stuff" Vrana does. And as a UFA they could probably sign him for half what they're paying Vrana. But if they want Sheary back, somebody (possibly Vrana) gotta go! Same with Ovie.. Apparently he aint gonna settle for the same thing he's making now. Somebody (else) gotta go..
Caps are in that salary cap pickle jar and aint getting out anytime soon.
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Monday April 05, 2021, 04:53:13 PM Eastern ---I think he's just in the dog house at the moment. If he comes back and coach doesn't see what he needs, I suppose they could try and trade or leave him open for the expansion. I don't think benching a player does much for their trade value though. If they really were considering it, they'd just keep playing him and try and make a move as soon as possible, imo.
Sheary brings much of the same "stuff" Vrana does. And as a UFA they could probably sign him for half what they're paying Vrana. But if they want Sheary back, somebody (possibly Vrana) gotta go! Same with Ovie.. Apparently he aint gonna settle for the same thing he's making now. Somebody (else) gotta go..
Caps are in that salary cap pickle jar and aint getting out anytime soon.
--- End quote ---
I thought the same about leaving him available, but IF he is not under contract, then I doubt he would be selected (or even can he be?) I don't know if he counts as unprotected if he is an RFA not under contract?
And you are right about the pickle, but we've been in this jar for years and next year it only get's worse.
Ovie could really F it up if he isn't somewhat team friendly in negotiations. I'm sure both he and ownership want him to return, but at what cost? I'm sure they will pay it for all the wrong and some of the right reasons, but if Ovi decides to force the issue he could handicap any chance of real success moving forward. The team is already in decline, and we have some young talent and currently a glut of D, but let's face it, the stars of this team are all in declining years...including Carlson. Willy is about the only one still in his prime or improving. I guess you could say Kuzy is still in his prime, but he is so.....Kuzy. They need to have room to acquire some talent elsewhere. It's bad now, but it's going to get worse next year and worse yet with Ovi's new deal. And what the hell they going to do when they actually have to pay a goalie a real contract salary? Vitek and Sammy combined make only $1.54m and Sammy's contract is up this year and he is an RFA.
If they sign Ovie to a bigger $$ then they will HAVE to offload someone with SERIOUS $$$ salary. THat's either Kuzy or Carlson or Oshie or Orlov. (No way am I even putting Tom in that list)
But guess what....every name I mentioned has a no trade clause of some kind, so that does not make it impossible, but at least more difficult.
Orlov's is the easiest with a 5 team NO TRADE list
Oshie's has 10 team NO TRADE list
Kuzy and Carlson have 15 team NO TRADE list.
Honestly I think Orlov or Carlson would be the easiest to move as teams always need D. I doubt very much the Caps would consider moving Carlson though. Oshie is a great competitor, but he's old...so not sure how much you'd get in return (unless you are purely just dumping salary) Kuzy would probably be relatively easy to move depending on how he plays out the year (and what he does in the off season) but Caps are already short on C already so....
And IF they move Orlov....that's not enough to get them out of trouble. Ovie's new deal will more than fill up for what Orlov (and his replacement) save.
We are heavy on D this year, but Groot is gone after the season (unless he will play for peanuts again) and we don't have a lot of D in Hershey with any experience. Kempney will be back, but in what condition? And what will Jenson be like without big Z? Ziggy is about our only young D talent with any real experience. I'd be fine with moving Orlov and letting Ziggy and Fever both play full time. (or give Alexeyev, or Geisser a real shot)
Or dump Kuzy and bring up McMichael to be 2C.
Side note: Caps still show Liam O'brien as "in the system" on the website but he signed a AHL deal with Colorado this summer and actually is now on the NHL club. WTF caps....dude hasn't been on your team this year and you still show him as one of your prospects?
richkrt99:
Oh and Shulz is $4m cap hit this year but a $5m cap hit next year.
Move Orlov and Shultz and save $10m. I'm okay with losing either or both for $5m a pop. Then Let Ziggy play. Kempney will be back and if he's a wash play Fever.
Mickstix:
Yea, when the time comes, I hope they move D to free up the $.. But if they move a forward, I hope it's Kuzy other then Oshie.. Oshie still has a couple good years in him! Injury is really my only concern about Oshie.
Beaglefan2:
The Oshie and Backstrom contracts will start to really hurt next year. I think what we may not appreciate much is how hard it is going to be to move players with bigger contracts. The revenue loss of the pandemic will make it much harder to make trades and Caps management has never traded "their guys" - the core of the team.
In order to not get stuck in a five year decline and rebuild, here are four aggressive moves:
1) Play hardball with Ovi. How many teams are going to be able to pay Ovi $10 million plus on a multi-year deal? The teams that could afford him won't be contenders and is Ovi really going to leave for a couple million more to go to Buffalo, Detroit,...? I'm not saying to low-ball him, but if he wants a three year deal or more, we aren't in a position to write a blank check if we want be a playoff team, much less contend for the Cup.
2) Trade Carlson. I actually think we have some good depth with Ziggy and Fever. Some team might be stupid enough to give us a couple of high draft picks. Remember, he is a Norris candidate!
3) Leave Oshie and Backstrom exposed in the expansion draft. I love them both, but their contracts hurt and one or both will be in significant decline over the next several years. Plus it helps us retain other younger/cheaper guys.
4) Trade Kuzy - I think there are plenty of teams that think Kuzy could be a superstar and we could get back a great return. I used to think Kuzy was a never-trade guy, but he just keeps cruising through game after game and I suspect the other players in the lockerroom are tired of his act.
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