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2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
alta:
Hopefully OV is happy with $10M, he's about at that point where he makes as much or more from endorsements anyway, plus, if he's been smart, his great grandkids can live very comfortably.
Some of these guys have to know what's coming with the salary cap being frozen
also, if they are going to dump Vrana and Kuzy they gotta keep Backy, if he stays at his current salary, and Oshie. Otherwise I think it's too much turnover at one time. The Caps only have so much talent ready to move up.
richkrt99:
I'm okay/agree with all four things Beaglefan offered. Hate to see these guys go, but
I would HOPE Ovi is reasonable in his contract negotiations. Yes he is a superstar without equal. The best goal scorer in.....who knows...ever maybe. Yes he is the face of the franchise and one of the biggest superstars of the NHL. But....what can you really afford to pay him and he should realize that, and IF he cares about leading and winning with this team and not just the money and the goal record, then he should man up and be reasonable.
The reality of the current market is what it is. I think Beaglefan is right in that only a handful of teams could really afford him.
Looking at 2020 projected cap situation: (based on all roster players at beginning of season)
Detroit has $8.77m cap space
LA Kings has $8.45m
Devils 8.35m
Ottowa has $7.57m
NY Rangers has $3.92m
Everyone else has 3m or less and some teams are way over. Tampa is 17m over. (17.7m on LTIR)
I looked up current cap space and its way deceiving. It shows Chicago with 14m, but they have 20m+ in LTIR players.
Pittsburgh shows 8m currently, but again ...Malkin's LTIR saves 9.5m.
Detroit has 10m in current cap space, but also 10m on LTIR
Looks like the Devils actually have the best CURRENT cap situation with 9.9m space and 0 on LTIR. (and they pay PK Subban 9m a year - ouch)
Kings with 9.7 and about 4.7 on LTIR
Ottawa with 9.1 space, but 13+ on LTIR
It's all speculation at this point and certainly much will change in the offseason, but with the revenue streams and cap situation of the NHL being suspect for years to come....who could really afford to pay an aging superstar bookoo bucks?
All things being considered....$10m a year should be a fair number for Ovie. What team could pay him $50m over the next 5 seasons?
The question is ...how much pride is involved with being top paid guy? Currently Ovi is 15th highest paid in the league at 9.52m. If you jump him to 11 that ties him at #5. 11.7 gets him second place to McDavid's 12.5m
Problem is all those contracts were made in better days. Teams can't afford stupid money as well as they could only 3 years ago.
Ovi is more valuable to the Caps for marketing reasons than he would to some other teams, but Caps are so cap strapped, paying Ovie top NHL pay would handicap the ability to pay enough talent to have a truly competitive team. I hope Ovi sees that (and actually cares)
We shall see.
I am a little surprised the Caps signed Backy for the amount and length of contract they actually did, but 5 years isn't totally horrible.
alta:
Lavi has got to let Seigs and Van Riemsdyk get some ice time. I think Seigs can fill in well enough that the Caps won't miss Carlsons contract.
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: alta on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 12:35:35 PM Eastern ---Lavi has got to let Seigs and Van Riemsdyk get some ice time. I think Seigs can fill in well enough that the Caps won't miss Carlsons contract.
--- End quote ---
I think Seigs should be playing now. Bet he would be if Groot hadn't fell in our lap. Ziggy not playing is hurting his long term development. He could be a future top 4 D guy (or not), but letting him watch isn't helping his or the Caps' future.
I will eat my hat if the Caps trade Carlson. I don't disagree with trading him based on our cap situation, current D structure, etc, but I'll be flat out shocked if that happens. He DOES have the most trade value.
Another option is you trade Shulz AND Orlov (which saves save 10+ million next year), but then you are dependent on 2 guys who did not play at all this year as full time guys (TVR and Ziggy) AND Kempney being viable for top 4 time. And I'm not sure how much you get in return for Shulz. He's been solid enough and no injuries so who knows. And a lot more adjusting going on there.
If Ovie wants a pay raise.... a lot of changes are going to have to happen movement wise.
Beaglefan2:
After this year, if the Caps have Ovi, Backstrom, Carlson and Oshie on the same team, they are not going anywhere. Too much salary on those four guys that are aging and have already won their Cup. I think it is unlikely that the Caps management is aggressive enough to shake up this team and we will have a two to four year period of decline. It happens to all teams eventually, so its our turn. Thankfully, we did win the Cup!
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