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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Monday February 22, 2021, 11:37:32 AM Eastern ---Sorry folks. I love Jay Beagle and his effort and so on and his history with the team, but at age 34 he's not worth 3 mil/year TO A VERY CASH STRAPPED TEAM as a 4th line Center just to win some faceoffs. At best he could take maybe 1/3 of the teams total draws and win maybe 58% of those?. That's a TEAM face off percentage improvement of maybe 2-3% best case. I know it's important and a undervalued skill, and we know he's a great guy and a good PK guy and such, but Dowd at $750k is basically the same guy for 1/4 the cost (minus some of the faceoff skill). And Dowd is 4-5 years younger. We have enough 3rd/4th line type PK guys. I am using Dowd as comparison because he is the 4C
SO I looked it up...
Dowd's FO % is right around 52.8% this year
Jay Beagle is a beast in the circle at 57.8%
That's a 5% increase for one player who will take likely less than 1/3 of the teams draws. That's a team's Faceoff % net increase of like 1.7%
That's not worth adding $2.25 million to this team. (Dowd is a flat out bargain at $750k per year)
Now if you want to trade Hags at 2.75 mill and talk VC into keeping $250k of Beags Salary then okay. But then you still have basically two 4C guys. I guess Dowd could play wing or you bring in one of the other guys (waiting in the wings) :snicker: .
But you still have to manage the salary problem.
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Thats why you move/taxi/send down Sheary, Panik, Spooge, Keller, or any of the overpaid Lollipop Guild that play the "3rd" line, & put Beagle there, with McMicheal, Sutter, or Pillion.
A 35 year Beagle and 22 yo kid is better than any of the Lollipop Guid right now
canadiancapman:
--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Monday February 22, 2021, 11:37:32 AM Eastern ---Sorry folks. I love Jay Beagle and his effort and so on and his history with the team, but at age 34 he's not worth 3 mil/year TO A VERY CASH STRAPPED TEAM as a 4th line Center just to win some faceoffs. At best he could take maybe 1/3 of the teams total draws and win maybe 58% of those?. That's a TEAM face off percentage improvement of maybe 2-3% best case. I know it's important and a undervalued skill, and we know he's a great guy and a good PK guy and such, but Dowd at $750k is basically the same guy for 1/4 the cost (minus some of the faceoff skill). And Dowd is 4-5 years younger. We have enough 3rd/4th line type PK guys. I am using Dowd as comparison because he is the 4C
SO I looked it up...
Dowd's FO % is right around 52.8% this year
Jay Beagle is a beast in the circle at 57.8%
That's a 5% increase for one player who will take likely less than 1/3 of the teams draws. That's a team's Faceoff % net increase of like 1.7%
That's not worth adding $2.25 million to this team. (Dowd is a flat out bargain at $750k per year)
Now if you want to trade Hags at 2.75 mill and talk VC into keeping $250k of Beags Salary then okay. But then you still have basically two 4C guys. I guess Dowd could play wing or you bring in one of the other guys (waiting in the wings) :snicker: .
But you still have to manage the salary problem.
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Hence why I said they eat most of his salary. Read first, then respond. Vancouver gets a 4th instead of a 6th for eating his salary. Caps wont need much maneuvering if its at the deadline and he'll need to be quarantined for a bit coming from the north division (canada)
There will be injuries between now and then and into the playoffs.
What's your glorious idea to help with faceoffs beside praying Peca can turn things around for the current centremen?Lol
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: canadiancapman on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 11:21:48 AM Eastern ---Hence why I said they eat most of his salary. Read first, then respond. Vancouver gets a 4th instead of a 6th for eating his salary. Caps wont need much maneuvering if its at the deadline and he'll need to be quarantined for a bit coming from the north division (canada)
There will be injuries between now and then and into the playoffs.
What's your glorious idea to help with faceoffs beside praying Peca can turn things around for the current centremen?Lol
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To be fair. . .(to be faiir, to be faiiiir, to be faiiiiir, to ba faiiiiiiiiiiiiir) . . .heh Letterkenny fucking rules!!!
Might as well have Willie & Oshie take most of the face-offs, they're better at it then Suzy & Keller.
I wish that was in jest but sadly it would work better than what we have now
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 07:28:09 AM Eastern ---Thats why you move/taxi/send down Sheary, Panik, Spooge, Keller, or any of the overpaid Lollipop Guild that play the "3rd" line, & put Beagle there, with McMicheal, Sutter, or Pillion.
A 35 year Beagle and 22 yo kid is better than any of the Lollipop Guid right now
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I don't understand your beef with Eller. He is adequately paid for his value. He is a good 3c and fills that role well, and a very good fit on this team particularly. He has filled in at 2C when needed, and can move up and down the lineup as needed. I am not expecting 20+ goals out of him, but rather ABOUT 15-20g and 20a in a full season...which is pretty much where he is at and has performed over his time in Washington. Also....he picked up his play in the SC playoffs and scored some timely/big goals. Also he plays hard. Not Tom Wilson hard, but he uses his size well and mucks in the corners and does generate some chances. He passes pretty well. If he didn't have two wingers with stone hands he'd probably score a little more, but that's true of anyone.
I know you can't get past the Rat jumping him a few years ago and your general dislike (okay total hatred) for anything Euro, but Eller is an adequate 3C and paid accordingly, and I think a very good fit on this team at this time.
The average scoring for a NHL 3C is 14 goals and 36pts. Eller the last three seasons had 18, 13, 16 goals and 38, 36, 39 pts. And one of those was a short season.
Now that "average" is kind of wonky because 3c (or any 3rd line) has vastly different roles on different teams. Eller's line is MOSTLY a shut down line and NOT a scoring line, so the fact he has slightly better than average scoring (especially considering his line mates)
Not that I am the greatest lover of Eller, but I don't understand the rap he gets on these boards. He has been a good 3c fit for this team.
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: canadiancapman on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 11:21:48 AM Eastern ---Hence why I said they eat most of his salary. Read first, then respond. Vancouver gets a 4th instead of a 6th for eating his salary. Caps wont need much maneuvering if its at the deadline and he'll need to be quarantined for a bit coming from the north division (canada)
There will be injuries between now and then and into the playoffs.
What's your glorious idea to help with faceoffs beside praying Peca can turn things around for the current centremen?Lol
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Dude? Why always the dickhead attitude with you? You can post your ideas or disagree with someone without being a dick. Or can you? :huh:
Are you still mad about the poutine thing? Get over it already.
I did read the post first and then responded. I read that you said Vancouver would eat most of Beags salary....but why would they do that? And my post stated my argument for why Beagle would not be a good trade for this team at this time....TOO MUCH COST FOR TOO LITTLE GAIN. I did this without attacking you. I simply disagreed with you. I loved Beagle when he was here and loved his play and YES, he is great at face offs. But just because your want a guy like him doesn't mean your team can afford him or that he is worth what it will actually cost to get him. And thinking that one old guy coming in is going to solve your faceoff problem is unrealistic. That doesn't fix the other 3 centers faceoff woes. OR do you expect that Beags faceoff skills will cure the others' by osmosis? Your own made up jab about a faceoff coach isn't going to help, bet then you think one faceoff guys solves the woes of the rest of them? Just as you stated in your post, but apparently did not read...
Oh wait, it's let me quote you..."What's your glorious idea to help with faceoffs beside praying Peca Beags can turn things around for the current centremen?Lol"
[/size]I did not say praying or Peca would solve it. Did I? So why suggest that was my idea? And so exactly how does your Beags solution turn things around for the other current centers?
Your "glorious idea" is a part fantasy or wish list. Great...if we are going to fantasize, why not just trade Dowd and a bag of pucks for McDavid? Oh...wait because maybe Edmonton wouldn't go for that. Or we are strictly worried about Faceoffs...why not Cindy Crybaby Crosby? He's pretty good in the dot.
How about we throw in a bucket of poutine (not pissed in) to sweeten the deal. Then maybe they'd go for it? You'd know better than the rest of us, I'm sure. Since you are Canadian, you therefore must know more about hockey and poutine value than the rest of us.
You jumped all over Alta a couple weeks back for suggesting the Caps GM wasn't great. Can you not just disagree and then state why you disagree and skip the hostility. Man, someone must have really peed in your poutine, or maybe it just curdled? Oh wait, it is supposed to be curdled, so.... Oh never mind.
I'm about tired of your pissy puotine ass. If you can comment and share and swap ideas, great. That's why we are here. I/we welcome alternative points of view and ideas and discussion about hockey (and other stuff). But if you want to continue to just be a dickhead then go to the Hens board - you'll fit right in. :uh-huh:
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