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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 11:49:37 AM Eastern ---
I don't understand your beef with Eller. He is adequately paid for his value. He is a good 3c and fills that role well, and a very good fit on this team particularly. He has filled in at 2C when needed, and can move up and down the lineup as needed. I am not expecting 20+ goals out of him, but rather ABOUT 15-20g and 20a in a full season...which is pretty much where he is at and has performed over his time in Washington. Also....he picked up his play in the SC playoffs and scored some timely/big goals. Also he plays hard. Not Tom Wilson hard, but he uses his size well and mucks in the corners and does generate some chances. He passes pretty well. If he didn't have two wingers with stone hands he'd probably score a little more, but that's true of anyone.
I know you can't get past the Rat jumping him a few years ago and your general dislike (okay total hatred) for anything Euro, but Eller is an adequate 3C and paid accordingly, and I think a very good fit on this team at this time.
The average scoring for a NHL 3C is 14 goals and 36pts. Eller the last three seasons had 18, 13, 16 goals and 38, 36, 39 pts. And one of those was a short season.
Now that "average" is kind of wonky because 3c (or any 3rd line) has vastly different roles on different teams. Eller's line is MOSTLY a shut down line and NOT a scoring line, so the fact he has slightly better than average scoring (especially considering his line mates)
Not that I am the greatest lover of Eller, but I don't understand the rap he gets on these boards. He has been a good 3c fit for this team.
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If you are only talking about points and posts per million cap hit, you are completely correct.
My main issues is for his role, ice-time, & salary, his face-offs, defense, versatility, turnovers, physicality & intensity have at best been average and that on occasion, and his offensive production has been inconsistent & not enough to compensate.
While age is his advantage, he's nowhere near the complete player that Beagle or Fehr are, particularly at comparative ages, if not now.
But, until GMBetaMale mans up, or Lavi screams more, the "3rd" line will consistent of one-way players not good enough to play over 12 min per game that "enter the zone with speed" only to be crushed 90% of the time.
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 12:59:03 PM Eastern ---If you are only talking about points and posts per million cap hit, you are completely correct.
My main issues is for his role, ice-time, & salary, his face-offs, defense, versatility, turnovers, physicality & intensity have at best been average and that on occasion, and his offensive production has been inconsistent & not enough to compensate.
While age is his advantage, he's nowhere near the complete player that Beagle or Fehr are, particularly at comparative ages, if not now.
But, until GMBetaMale mans up, or Lavi screams more, the "3rd" line will consistent of one-way players not good enough to play over 12 min per game that "enter the zone with speed" only to be crushed 90% of the time.
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Although as much as I like Eller for our current 3C...
I do NOT see him as a 1C with Ovie and Willy (like tonight's lines)
canadiancapman:
--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 23, 2021, 12:42:11 PM Eastern --- :clap:
Dude? Why always the dickhead attitude with you? You can post your ideas or disagree with someone without being a dick. Or can you? :huh:
Are you still mad about the poutine thing? Get over it already.
I did read the post first and then responded. I read that you said Vancouver would eat most of Beags salary....but why would they do that? And my post stated my argument for why Beagle would not be a good trade for this team at this time....TOO MUCH COST FOR TOO LITTLE GAIN. I did this without attacking you. I simply disagreed with you. I loved Beagle when he was here and loved his play and YES, he is great at face offs. But just because your want a guy like him doesn't mean your team can afford him or that he is worth what it will actually cost to get him. And thinking that one old guy coming in is going to solve your faceoff problem is unrealistic. That doesn't fix the other 3 centers faceoff woes. OR do you expect that Beags faceoff skills will cure the others' by osmosis? Your own made up jab about a faceoff coach isn't going to help, bet then you think one faceoff guys solves the woes of the rest of them? Just as you stated in your post, but apparently did not read...
Oh wait, it's let me quote you..."What's your glorious idea to help with faceoffs beside praying Peca Beags can turn things around for the current centremen?Lol"
I did not say praying or Peca would solve it. Did I? So why suggest that was my idea? And so exactly how does your Beags solution turn things around for the other current centers?
Your "glorious idea" is a part fantasy or wish list. Great...if we are going to fantasize, why not just trade Dowd and a bag of pucks for McDavid? Oh...wait because maybe Edmonton wouldn't go for that. Or we are strictly worried about Faceoffs...why not Cindy Crybaby Crosby? He's pretty good in the dot.
How about we throw in a bucket of poutine (not pissed in) to sweeten the deal. Then maybe they'd go for it? You'd know better than the rest of us, I'm sure. Since you are Canadian, you therefore must know more about hockey and poutine value than the rest of us.
You jumped all over Alta a couple weeks back for suggesting the Caps GM wasn't great. Can you not just disagree and then state why you disagree and skip the hostility. Man, someone must have really peed in your poutine, or maybe it just curdled? Oh wait, it is supposed to be curdled, so.... Oh never mind.
I'm about tired of your pissy puotine ass. If you can comment and share and swap ideas, great. That's why we are here. I/we welcome alternative points of view and ideas and discussion about hockey (and other stuff). But if you want to continue to just be a dickhead then go to the Hens board - you'll fit right in. :uh-huh:
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How is getting beagle a fantasy?
You simply prove over and over that your hockey knowledge is slim to none but you do know lots about poutine so there's a start.
Why wouldn't a team that's not going to make the playoffs refuse to trade a guy that is older and on an expiring contract?
What would you say the cost would be? I figure a 4th rd pick would be enough for them to eat his salary. He's a 4th liner on an expiring contract. Usually they go for 6-7th pick at the deadline. Caps wont be able to do much more without sending contracts out. It's an add without subtracting.
Its ok for you to chirp me but I can't chirp you? Typical toddler attitude and I continue to expect nothing less from you.
And yes, thanks for admitting that I know more about hockey and poutine than you. You're making progress. :uh-huh:
alta:
There is a big difference between chirping and throwing insults as you have done.
Bringing Beags back has been talked about since the day he left. There were opportunities to do so prior to now. It didn't happen then for the same reason it won't happen now, and it has nothing to do with the salary cap.
Hopefully you know more about poutine
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: canadiancapman on Wednesday February 24, 2021, 11:27:08 AM Eastern ---
How is getting beagle a fantasy?
You simply prove over and over that your hockey knowledge is slim to none but you do know lots about poutine so there's a start.
Why wouldn't a team that's not going to make the playoffs refuse to trade a guy that is older and on an expiring contract?
What would you say the cost would be? I figure a 4th rd pick would be enough for them to eat his salary. He's a 4th liner on an expiring contract. Usually they go for 6-7th pick at the deadline. Caps wont be able to do much more without sending contracts out. It's an add without subtracting.
Its ok for you to chirp me but I can't chirp you? Typical toddler attitude and I continue to expect nothing less from you.
And yes, thanks for admitting that I know more about hockey and poutine than you. You're making progress. :uh-huh:
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I agree 100%
But . . .
GMBetaMale & Monumental Entertainment simply does not value a skill set like Beagles enough, if at all.
What you and I are suggesting would absolutely give this team more wins than the losses one-way soft midgets, (height or weight room, or attitude), that GMBetaMale likes & Monumental wants to "sell", have costs and will continue to.
For evidence, without Wilson, Nick, & Ovie together, Dowds group has hands done been our BEST group this year, with the "2nd" & "3rd" not coming close despite generally getting more time this year.
But, Kuzy, Varana, Eller, Sheary, & Panik (certainly) sell more jerseys than Hathaway, Haglin, & Dowd do, and probably more than Beagle would.
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