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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #80 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 11:11:08 AM Eastern »
I'm going back to what I said months ago.  Alan May would be a great pick.  He's always quickly diagnosing the team's problems, he's very familiar with the organization, he's a bit of an old school guy and, as a former player, will command respect and he'll come much more cheaply than Gallant or any of the retreads.  I'm not sure why picking guys who have never really succeeded (outside of Babcock) is a good idea.  Remember, every one of these veteran coaches started out with no HC experience at one point.  Give May a shot.  At least interview him.

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #81 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 12:53:15 PM Eastern »
I'm going back to what I said months ago.  Alan May would be a great pick.  He's always quickly diagnosing the team's problems, he's very familiar with the organization, he's a bit of an old school guy and, as a former player, will command respect and he'll come much more cheaply than Gallant or any of the retreads.  I'm not sure why picking guys who have never really succeeded (outside of Babcock) is a good idea.  Remember, every one of these veteran coaches started out with no HC experience at one point.  Give May a shot.  At least interview him.


I love Alan May and think he might very well make a good coach.  He knows the game and has an edge to him (that they let show on occasion).  He certainly does know this team and organization well so that is a plus.  He appears to be a smart enough guy, but he has virtually zero coaching experience.  That would be a bit of a risk and goes against what GMBM said in the presser...."We want a guy with HC experience" so I don't see that as realistic at THIS point.


That and who knows if he would be interested in dealing with all the BS.  Maybe he likes his part time armchair analysis work life.


Maybe you bring Hooks (Brooks Orpik) into the fold as an assistant?  (If you are going the Alan May local yocal route.)  But then you have two guys with no coaching experience so not sure that works well.
 
I would imagine our current assistant coaches will be toast if they bring in a big name HC....allowing him to pull in guys he wants.
Hey, nobody's brought up Adam Oates...what's he doing these days  :lol: :raised-eyebrow: :raspberry:

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #82 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 01:41:45 PM Eastern »
While Alan May could potentially be a good coach, I don't think now is the time to experiment. The championship window of the Ovechkin era will close in a few years and I'm not sure it's a good idea to give May a chance to see if he could potentially be a good coach. I think it's time to bring in someone who is proven. If it doesn't work out then oh well, at least we can't say it was a silly experiment.


I would not be opposed to May being coach in the future, but not now.

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #83 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 03:31:02 PM Eastern »

I love Alan May and think he might very well make a good coach.  He knows the game and has an edge to him (that they let show on occasion).  He certainly does know this team and organization well so that is a plus.  He appears to be a smart enough guy, but he has virtually zero coaching experience.  That would be a bit of a risk and goes against what GMBM said in the presser...."We want a guy with HC experience" so I don't see that as realistic at THIS point.


That and who knows if he would be interested in dealing with all the BS.  Maybe he likes his part time armchair analysis work life.


Maybe you bring Hooks (Brooks Orpik) into the fold as an assistant?  (If you are going the Alan May local yocal route.)  But then you have two guys with no coaching experience so not sure that works well.
 
I would imagine our current assistant coaches will be toast if they bring in a big name HC....allowing him to pull in guys he wants.
Hey, nobody's brought up Adam Oates...what's he doing these days  :lol: :raised-eyebrow: :raspberry:


May very well may not be interested but you don't know unless you ask him.  As for not having HC experience, all of the other guys being mentioned didn't have it at one point, either.  We also need to ask why all of the guys being mentioned are unemployed and what they've really won so far.  Good coaches can't be made, IMO.  Guys either have it or they don't but we'll never know about May unless he gets a chance.  What we do know is that nobody is chomping at the bit for the guys currently available.


As for the Cup window, I'd say it's very tiny at this point without both a good HC and some more upgrades both on defense and up front.  The team looked slow and old against the Isles and had virtually no sense of urgency.  They have to trim some dead wood to have any hope no matter who is coach.

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #84 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 04:32:52 PM Eastern »
May has coached in the minors, depends what he's being paid now and if he's happy with it, and if he wants his blood pressure to go up or not






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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #85 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 05:30:31 PM Eastern »

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #86 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 06:15:37 PM Eastern »
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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #87 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 08:31:02 PM Eastern »





I very much doubt that Adam Oates is a Quaker, but that's just me.


The championship window of the "Ovechkin era" is over.  At this point, Alex Ovechkin is a player who seemingly still has a skill that is of particular usefulness in hockey success - putting the puck in the net.  But he no longer is a player that can drive playoff success in a comprehensive way, and maybe he never was.  At this point age is starting to catch up with him, and other than his uncanny ability to score (which wasn't really on display in the Islander series), he is really just another player out there on the ice now.  If the Caps tree to win another championship in the "Ovechkin era," it will have to be with others doing the heavy lifting in all other aspects of the game besides scoring, and probably having to take an ever-increasing part of the scoring burden as well.  It may still be the "Ovechkin era" in that he is still on the team, but it will not be the "Ovechkin era" in terms of his capability to drive outcomes.




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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #88 on: Thursday August 27, 2020, 08:35:54 PM Eastern »

I agree. I'm not sure who needs a coach right now and who might need one after the playoffs, but right now there's two front runners in Gallant and Lavi. We should move quick to make sure they aren't snatched up by another team. Not often you have coaches like that looking for jobs.




And even Gallant has some nagging questions about his ability (or inability?) to adjust during playoff series, which is something that critics of past Caps coaches have harped on ad nauseam in previous years.  It wouldn't be at all surprising, if the Caps hired Gallant, that in a couple of years we would hear the same complaints about him that we heard about Boudreau.

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #89 on: Friday August 28, 2020, 08:52:45 AM Eastern »
My pick would be Babcock then Lavi, then Gallant


Although this is based on very little real knowledge of any of them.
Babcock just seems a bit more no nonsense hard nosed or fiery than the others which I think is needed for this squad.  Need some culture breakdown and rebuild with a guy who demands enough respect that EVERYONE buys in.


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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #90 on: Friday August 28, 2020, 09:06:32 AM Eastern »



I very much doubt that Adam Oates is a Quaker, but that's just me.


The championship window of the "Ovechkin era" is over.  At this point, Alex Ovechkin is a player who seemingly still has a skill that is of particular usefulness in hockey success - putting the puck in the net.  But he no longer is a player that can drive playoff success in a comprehensive way, and maybe he never was.  At this point age is starting to catch up with him, and other than his uncanny ability to score (which wasn't really on display in the Islander series), he is really just another player out there on the ice now.  If the Caps tree to win another championship in the "Ovechkin era," it will have to be with others doing the heavy lifting in all other aspects of the game besides scoring, and probably having to take an ever-increasing part of the scoring burden as well.  It may still be the "Ovechkin era" in that he is still on the team, but it will not be the "Ovechkin era" in terms of his capability to drive outcomes.


Pretty much agree on Ovi except I do think he can/does still drive some success in that when he is on and running full steam...OTHERS follow.  His ability to do this is decreasing, but he is still a presence on the ice.


However, For THIS team to succeed, we need more from Kuzy and Willy and Vranna.  Kuzy needs to be the super Kuzy we see flashes of.  Vranna needs to score.  Willy needs....hell I don't know.  Needs to do what he does, but need to get a little more scoring out of his efforts.  Ovi can still score goals, but like you said, someone else (Willy and Kuzy) need to do the heavy lifting.


Problem is, even is Kuzy is what he could be, and Wilson dominates every aspect, and Ovi...scores goals, you still have only one incredible line (if all three guys are fully functioning at the same time), so you need some other threats down the lines.
Vranna could pick it up, but Backy is a question mark, and Oshie...despite his never ending effort is also aging and both these guys could be one concussion away from retiring.
I like Eller for what he is, but that's a reasonably skilled 3c, and I don't expect that to change much (at least not in an upward direction). 


For this team to have any real success, some of the yet unproven youngins are going to have to blossom...and do so quickly.


And then we still have holes on D


And the goal tending is a question mark.  If we are talking future success....then Sammy is gonna have to mature very quickly...like THIS year and that only happens if Holtby is gone.


Not all that pretty a picture I think.  Curios to see who we land for a HC.




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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #91 on: Friday August 28, 2020, 11:36:41 PM Eastern »
My pick would be Babcock then Lavi, then Gallant


Although this is based on very little real knowledge of any of them.
Babcock just seems a bit more no nonsense hard nosed or fiery than the others which I think is needed for this squad.  Need some culture breakdown and rebuild with a guy who demands enough respect that EVERYONE buys in.


Go Caps


Agree. People stop talking nonsense about Alan May, he is just a hockey critic.

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #92 on: Saturday August 29, 2020, 08:40:26 PM Eastern »

Agree. People stop talking nonsense about Alan May, he is just a hockey critic.


You can't talk knowledgeably about the game without knowing the game.  May knows the game and the organization.  God knows he'd have been a better pick than Reirden. I'd rather give May a shot than some guy who's already proven he can't go the distance.

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #93 on: Sunday August 30, 2020, 09:47:43 AM Eastern »
My pick would be Babcock then Lavi, then Gallant


Although this is based on very little real knowledge of any of them.
Babcock just seems a bit more no nonsense hard nosed or fiery than the others which I think is needed for this squad.  Need some culture breakdown and rebuild with a guy who demands enough respect that EVERYONE buys in.


Go Caps
Bein as I’m from Detroit & all, Babcock is the last one I’d take for this roster.  Besides, given his insane instance on his “Eurotrash Passive Possesion” system, Ovie would be lucky to get 30 goals, Wilson would be a healthy scratch, and Kuzys & Carlsons worst days under Reidon would be their best.


Gallant could make Wilson far and away the most dominant player in the league, but would doubtfully gel with the rest of the roster for an extended period, to put it lightly.


But the bigger question is, what experienced Coach would want this job?  Ted, Dickless, & GMBetaMale have provided unrealistic demands to win while babysittin & cajoling large percentages of the salary cap & marketing department, and if you manage to do the impossible, you don’t get extended.


The only real choice is find another that will get Ovie 50 and into round two within two years, rinse/repeat, til Ovie gets the record and/or hangs em up in the new arena

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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #94 on: Monday October 05, 2020, 01:53:44 PM Eastern »
did anyone else notice where Rierdon is now an assistant coach  :wtf:
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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #95 on: Monday October 05, 2020, 05:49:45 PM Eastern »
did anyone else notice where Rierdon is now an assistant coach  :wtf:


No, but I had to look it up.  Shittsburgh?  Really?  WTF would they want him?  I mean he coached there before and they actually released him, so why would they want him back
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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #96 on: Monday October 05, 2020, 08:21:22 PM Eastern »
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Re: Fire Reirden
« Reply #97 on: Monday October 05, 2020, 10:28:42 PM Eastern »

No, but I had to look it up.  Shittsburgh?  Really?  WTF would they want him?  I mean he coached there before and they actually released him, so why would they want him back

Because Rierden led a Stanley Cup champion wannabe Stanley Cup repeatin' Caps during the COVID Cup and LOST in the first round.

Makes about as much sense as dropping bombs on a city to gain it's votes.  Did I say bombs?  I meant ANTIFA.
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