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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2020, 12:42:08 PM »
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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2020, 12:48:41 PM »
Oh and we also gained a littke enforcement., “As the video clearly shows”, he’s an upper tier middleweight like Hathaway:



This was a a HELLACIOUS old-school, real man scrap!!


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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2020, 03:27:39 PM »

No way they trade Orlov.  Management is committed to him.  I also don't see them benching Ziggy.  He has been our best all around defenseman and they have to see that.  I also think they are committed to Kempney because he made them look smart for getting him and helping get the Cup.  That leaves Jenson who I think will be the odd man out.


I actually hope they give Fehrvy more time down the stretch.  I would start him over Kempney right now, but that's not the Caps style.


Rush - good analysis on Carlson-Kempney!

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2020, 03:55:22 PM »
No way they trade Orlov.  Management is committed to him.  I also don't see them benching Ziggy.  He has been our best all around defenseman and they have to see that.  I also think they are committed to Kempney because he made them look smart for getting him and helping get the Cup.  That leaves Jenson who I think will be the odd man out.


I actually hope they give Fehrvy more time down the stretch.  I would start him over Kempney right now, but that's not the Caps style.


Rush - good analysis on Carlson-Kempney!
The issue is Jensen is a RHD. And none of the other LHDs can/will play the right side.

The best case would be move for cap space, get the picks back, and resign Dillon.  That is if we could get for Orlov.


Knowing the Caps, IF someone is moved it will be SiggyChrist, then they wont/can’t resign Dillon and Fehry will take over the 3rd LHD and we’ll be worse off next year

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2020, 05:21:57 PM »
Best I can tell, Dillen is a stay at home, tougher, DEFENSIVE defenseman.
He’s actually pretty BIG, at least relative to our D men.
Depending on where you get your stats, He is between 6’ 3”, 215 OR 6’ 4”, 225!
 He would then be our biggest D man overall.


GMBM has been routinely looking for these stay at home D guys, ever since the Shattenkirk trade BUST!!


An article in the Caps app suggests that Kempny may be moved down to 2nd pairing, giving Dillen a serious look, paired with Carlson.
This looks to me like management prioritizing the defensive demise, especially as it pertains to the Carlson/Kempny #1 pairing!


Let’s remember that when Kempny first arrived, the big news was how he ELEVATED the defensive play  on the Carlson, #1 D line, retrieving, and handling, at least 75-80% of pucks entering our zone, to be collected, and sent back up the other way!
This was by design, from management, which took away much of the potential for a Carlson “mistake”, improving our ability to bring the puck up from our zone, AND allowing Carlson to become more involved with improving his offensive skills, which was also SANCTIONED, by management!


The Carlson/Kempny experiment, proved to be a GREAT decision, by GMBM, and he received huge accolades for making the trade, for a number of good reasons, to include winning the CUP!!


THEN....Kempny suffered a MAJOR, debilitating injury!
All the while, Carlson had been receiving “specialized”, offensive training, all through the 2018-2019 season, and we started to see Carlson’s training start to pay off, and even get better, during the 1st half of this 2019-2020 season!
Hell... Carlson led the entire league in points, for defenseman, until getting passed sometime in January 2020!


One problem though....Upon Kempnys return this season, we are seeing that he is not the same Mikal Kempny, that we had seen PRIOR to his injury!


He is noticeably slower, and different! He is surely, a worse player, than he was, and in most all the phases of his game!  I can only guess, as I have no proof in reading anything recently, about his physical condition, but it is the most logical of reasons, to assume that it is injury related.


Why the emphasis about Kempnys issues? Well, IMO, it directly relates to John Carlson’s performance on BOTH sides of the ice!


Bare with me here, in that if Kempny is LESS effective, NOW, in his defensive responsibilities, and was shouldering quite a bit more of the defensive load, then, logically, Carlson is exposed to NOW, having to shoulder MORE of the D load, which, by nature, allows Carly LESS time to affect his offensive play!


We have certainly seen Carly’s production numbers tank since early January! Additionally we see Carlson’s poor defensive skills, being highly EXPOSED again, relative to Kempnys shortcomings, and they are many from Kempny, also!!  ( just talking about our #1 D pairing, specifically.  I’m fully aware our entire D has bad issues right now,  so there’s plenty of blame to go around)!!


 THIS, I believe, may be what GMBM had in mind with obtaining Brenden Dillen!  AND why we just might see how our new recruit fits with Mr. John Carlson!


I sure hope the new guy has some speed.  He’s going to need it back there with Johnny Norris as his sidekick!😁


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I considered this when I made my Nostradamus prediction, but I figured Kempny was still a more reliable D-man than our current bottom four.  If Dillon is good enough to be on the top line then your reasoning makes a lot of sense. Maybe giving Kempny some rest and using him sparingly would help him get back to where he was or at least closer to that point.
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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2020, 05:48:05 PM »
The issue is Jensen is a RHD. And none of the other LHDs can/will play the right side.

The best case would be move for cap space, get the picks back, and resign Dillon.  That is if we could get for Orlov.


Knowing the Caps, IF someone is moved it will be SiggyChrist, then they wont/can’t resign Dillon and Fehry will take over the 3rd LHD and we’ll be worse off next year



Yes, you are probably right, although I think they might find a way to sit Jenson.  I would love it if they could extend Dillon as I hate the rental game and giving up valuable draft picks for nothing in the long run.


I would hate it if you were right on Ziggy.  He is young, cheap and really developing nicely.  I guess Bowey was the same way, but I don't think he was this good.


I don't see any way they trade Orlov.  He is one of their guys and the Caps just don't make big moves like that.

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2020, 07:27:50 PM »
Burt was "one of their guys".. He was just the odd man out, playing like crap and they couldn't afford him..  Orlov fits that same bill, imo.. He's WAY overpaid and if they "could" move him, I think they would. He offers jack shit really. He's below avg in the offensive zone and he's not a shut down D.. And he makes like 6.5 million a year. That some expensive hip checks, twice a month..  :clown: :poop:

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2020, 02:39:05 AM »
In addition, GM is ready to upgrade forward line

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2020, 05:52:57 AM »
Burt was "one of their guys".. He was just the odd man out, playing like crap and they couldn't afford him..  Orlov fits that same bill, imo.. He's WAY overpaid and if they "could" move him, I think they would. He offers jack shit really. He's below avg in the offensive zone and he's not a shut down D.. And he makes like 6.5 million a year. That some expensive hip checks, twice a month..  :clown: :poop:
Exactly.  He’s closing on 30 and hasn’t developed to a top level D he was signed as, (which is another issue all together)

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2020, 03:03:20 PM »
Dillon is a great pick up. That's who I wanted GMBM to get and glad he did. We had the toughest team in the league before this and now we've added more grit. We'll be a tough team to play in the playoffs as much as you haters don't want to admit it. Try watching other teams. Everyone has weaknesses. For all you Kuznetsov haters out there give your head a shake. We've struggled mightily without him and much as you don't want to admit it. The guy should have won the Conn Smyth when we won the cup. They gave it to Ovie because the league wants their superstars to get the recognition.  Same reason Crosby won when Kessel should have.

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2020, 03:53:13 PM »
Dillon is a great pick up. That's who I wanted GMBM to get and glad he did. We had the toughest team in the league before this and now we've added more grit. We'll be a tough team to play in the playoffs as much as you haters don't want to admit it. Try watching other teams. Everyone has weaknesses. For all you Kuznetsov haters out there give your head a shake. We've struggled mightily without him and much as you don't want to admit it. The guy should have won the Conn Smyth when we won the cup. They gave it to Ovie because the league wants their superstars to get the recognition.  Same reason Crosby won when Kessel should have.
For his cap hit, we could have 2, maybe 3 centers to result in just as many points, and way less mistakes, turnovers, face off losses, as we got for the EA level contract we gave Suzy.

Sure Suzy will help Ovie get 900 more than Bergeroin, Larkin, Kopitar, or Toews might.  But on no fuckin  planet that has anything more than a 12yo CoEd rec league is Suzy any where near the level of any of them

Suzy is here for Ovies record, not for Cups.   If the Caps only wanted Cups, they’d of spent the cap space better

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2020, 05:49:07 PM »
The rest of steps primarily involve changing the pond hockey system. . . But I doubt that’s gonna happen.


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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2020, 05:53:46 PM »
I read on RMNB that the Caps may be interested in bringing Green back. :huh:   I'm hoping this is just BS being floated by somebody with no knowledge.  Green is EXACTLY the type of guy we do NOT need.  He doesn't even have any offensive skills left to speak of.  (10 points, -30 +/-)  I'd much rather have Jensen and that's saying something.  I also don't think Siegenthaler should be scratched for Dillon.  I'd sit Jensen, Orlov or Kempny ahead of him.

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2020, 06:26:17 PM »
For his cap hit, we could have 2, maybe 3 centers to result in just as many points, and way less mistakes, turnovers, face off losses, as we got for the EA level contract we gave Suzy.

Sure Suzy will help Ovie get 900 more than Bergeroin, Larkin, Kopitar, or Toews might.  But on no fuckin  planet that has anything more than a 12yo CoEd rec league is Suzy any where near the level of any of them

Suzy is here for Ovies record, not for Cups.   If the Caps only wanted Cups, they’d of spent the cap space better


When he brings his "A" game he's a top 20 player in the league. Are you going to deny he didn't deserved the Conn Smyth when we won? Larkin? Are you kidding me right now? To put him in the same category as the other 3 you mentioned is a joke and shows your bias to Detroit. The only good thing about Detroit right now is their new rink. Also look at kopitar and toews contracts, their contracts are the reason both LA and Chicago are in the bottom half of the league.


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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2020, 07:00:25 PM »
I read on RMNB that the Caps may be interested in bringing Green back. :huh:   I'm hoping this is just BS being floated by somebody with no knowledge.  Green is EXACTLY the type of guy we do NOT need.  He doesn't even have any offensive skills left to speak of.  (10 points, -30 +/-)  I'd much rather have Jensen and that's saying something.  I also don't think Siegenthaler should be scratched for Dillon.  I'd sit Jensen, Orlov or Kempny ahead of him.


Amen Brother (on Green)
Amen Brother (on Ziggs).  Although....I think the Caps have no intention of letting Ziggy go, because he has showed so much promise and he is hugely cap friendly right now.  He is the very best bargain D the Caps have right now and has played as well as any of the D this year.  I think they sit him due to his age and IF they are contemplating trading Jensen/Kempny/Orlov, sitting them would look bad or devalue them (if that's possible)


I think they will hold onto Kempny.  Time will tell if he can recover to what we hope was true form (and not a career year last year).
I had high hopes for Orlov (over the last 4 years), but he just isn't progressing or performing anywhere near his contract/cap hit.  Trading Orlov...or more accurately unloading his contract would have the biggest impact and give the most flexibility to the Caps moving forward.  I'd be okay with unloading him and giving Ziggy a spot and giving Fevergetter a shot at real playing time.


Dillon will be a welcome addition to some much needed D skills, but he's just a rental (unless we unload Orlov).  Fucking Orlov makes roughly the same as Willy.....with about 1/10 the impact or potential.  You could go out and buy a real D with Orlov money.


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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2020, 11:09:10 PM »
Dillon is a great pick up. That's who I wanted GMBM to get and glad he did. We had the toughest team in the league before this and now we've added more grit. We'll be a tough team to play in the playoffs as much as you haters don't want to admit it. Try watching other teams. Everyone has weaknesses. For all you Kuznetsov haters out there give your head a shake. We've struggled mightily without him and much as you don't want to admit it. The guy should have won the Conn Smyth when we won the cup. They gave it to Ovie because the league wants their superstars to get the recognition.  Same reason Crosby won when Kessel should have.


Hey Capman!


“We’ll be a tough team to play in the playoffs as much as YOU HATERS don’t want to admit it.”


So, your view is that the group of Caps fans, here, who DONT feel, at this point, that we will be a “TOUGH” team to play in the playoffs, just can’t bring ourselves to admit it, AND, are HATERS??


Secondly....”For all you Kuznetsov haters out there, give your head a shake. We’ve STRUGGLED MIGHTILY without him and as much as you don’t want to admit it.”


Well, the Caps have “struggled mightily”, generally speaking, since mid-December! (yes, Kuzy was also on the ice)!
Additionally, one of the few positives lately WAS Oshie, on a tear, with his best goal scoring hot streak of the season!!
BTW, Oshies goals, Lo and Behold, occurred right, smack-dab, in the middle of Kuzys ABSENCE, on the 2nd line, with Eller assuming Kuzys duties!


Not your best and brightest post, Capman!


Not so much the substance, but more, the condescending delivery of it.


Constructing the statement of your opinion, into a framework, where just “A”, or “B”, are the only, limited, choices, that YOU state, is ridiculous.
Where “A” =  Is your opinion
And “B” = Assumes those who disagree, with your opinion, are HATERS, AND (that we may not even realize we agree with you, BUT, just can’t bring ourselves to admit it)! HOLY MOLY, MAN!


Come on, guy!  I’ll admit I don’t even know you, I may have posted with you once or twice, I’m not sure. But the little I’ve seen of your prior posts have been fairly informative! So what gives??


Anyway, for the record, I HAVE spoken negatively of Kuzy, for reasons I feel, that I can justify.  I’m also not a Kuzy hater, as a result.


 Also, when I think of the ENTIRE capitals defensive game since mid December,  The two words that DEFINITELY DO NOT come to mind, are “Tough” and “Grit”!  Again, for reasons I feel I can justify!


 And yes, I do NOT believe, as a result, that they WILL, necessarily, be a “tough team to play in the playoffs”, either!  And, I’m also not a CAPS hater, because of it.


Folks can have differing opinions, and NOT be haters, for their disagreement!


Hell....We can even AGREE to DISAGREE, continue to respect one another, and it’s still ALL GOOD!👍
(Damn, I’m gettin’ kinda soft in my 60’s)😁


Be cool, and God Bless,


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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2020, 12:53:26 PM »

When he brings his "A" game he's a top 20 player in the league. Are you going to deny he didn't deserved the Conn Smyth when we won? Larkin? Are you kidding me right now? To put him in the same category as the other 3 you mentioned is a joke and shows your bias to Detroit. The only good thing about Detroit right now is their new rink. Also look at kopitar and toews contracts, their contracts are the reason both LA and Chicago are in the bottom half of the league.
in the KHL or a coed Rec league maybe. But not in a league that requires strength, brains and intensity. The result being a complete two way player.  Kopitar and Toews have multiple Cups and Finals appearances, and are regular Selke nominees and/or winners.  Larkin doesn’t play with on a team that has Ovie and “Johnny Norris” to pad his stats, he has willing taken on being a REAL plAyer by exceeding in all aspects and situations.


Conn Smythe?  Maybe after Ovi (of course), Holts, Nick, Wilson, or Oshie.  All of which did more to win the Cup, despite the “stat sheet”


At 27, he’s a center with a 7.5 mil cap hit that still can’t break 50% faceoffs, can’t shut down top centers, routinely commits multiple turnovers and mistakes, and can’t play the PK.  That’s not good enough

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Re: Trade Deadline- rumors
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2020, 03:50:07 PM »
I read on RMNB that the Caps may be interested in bringing Green back. :huh:   I'm hoping this is just BS being floated by somebody with no knowledge.  Green is EXACTLY the type of guy we do NOT need.  He doesn't even have any offensive skills left to speak of.  (10 points, -30 +/-)  I'd much rather have Jensen and that's saying something.  I also don't think Siegenthaler should be scratched for Dillon.  I'd sit Jensen, Orlov or Kempny ahead of him.
It’s believable and possible.  The Captain may very well take Jensen and his contract back to help rebuild there D, and it would be a favorable fit for the duration of his contract.


If we had Green back, we’d have the ingredients for Power Play evil.  Hes also improved his D about tenfold since he left the Caps.


The key would be resigning Green, as if we moved him for Jensen, we’d only have two RHDs signed . 


Also, this wouldn’t be a move for the playoffs, it’s be a move for Ovies push for the record. Brining Green back would sure help that, though would assuredly NOT help us in the playoffs