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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2020, 10:12:57 PM »
2015 was the last time the Caps lost by 5 at home, it was the game where Trotz benched OV for oversleeping, they lost 5-0
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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2020, 10:13:31 PM »
Reirdon said the TEAM ORGANIZATION deserved that score


Had to fix that one..  :snicker:  Ok, catch ya'll Monday.

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2020, 10:17:11 PM »

Were 2, 6, and 7 the 2 one-timers (one cross crease and the other from behind the net) and the breakaway? Because if so I agree. There were a couple of deflection goals and a couple of wrist shot goals where I felt like a GOOD goalie could get some of them.


Again, LOSS isn't on Holts, but a good goalie doesn't give up a touchdown. A good goalie keeps the game within reach in case we want to mount a heroic comeback.

2 was the cross crease pass
6 was the net front deflection
7 was the cross crease pass from nearly behind the goal line on the 5 on 3.

I though Holts played the breakaway like crap and sat too far back in the net.  He wasn't his aggressive self.  he should have come out and challenged on that one IMO.
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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2020, 10:19:14 PM »
2015 was the last time the Caps lost by 5 at home, it was the game where Trotz benched OV for oversleeping, they lost 5-0

Cool to know.  This was a hard game to swallow.  Looked like complete garbage.
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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2020, 10:31:17 PM »
2 was the cross crease pass
6 was the net front deflection
7 was the cross crease pass from nearly behind the goal line on the 5 on 3.

I though Holts played the breakaway like crap and sat too far back in the net.  He wasn't his aggressive self.  he should have come out and challenged on that one IMO.



Looked at replays, I think 4, 5, 6 he should have gotten.

4 - The floater from the blue line that was deflected in. Holts was just leaky there.

5 - Turnover that led to a wrist shot from the Ovi spot. A good glove hand should have had that.

6 - The reason why I thought 6 he had a chance on was because the guy who tipped it WASN'T the guy on the far side of the net, he was the guy on the short side, and that tip was saveable with good positioning IMO.


The breakaway (#3), yeah I can see what you're saying about Holts being too passive there. That said, I generally don't expect goalies to save clean breakaways like that all the time so that's one I can see how he could have had that but also could give him a pass on. The three one timers I think were just too high danger to stop.

4 5 6 he should have had, and if he could have stopped 1 from the other 4 goals, I'd consider that a good effort on Holtby's part (we'd still lose though).

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #105 on: February 08, 2020, 10:32:29 PM »
Cool to know.  This was a hard game to swallow.  Looked like complete garbage.


it was complete garbage, the defense has to give the goalie some support, and tonight was one Carlson’s worst games, along with the rest of the team. I’ve seen just about every great goalie get pasted like that when they get absolutely zero support from the rest of the team. And I think tonight was the first time I’ve seen Reirdon actually yell at the team, it was during that time out early in the 2nd.
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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #106 on: February 09, 2020, 09:42:58 AM »

it was complete garbage, the defense has to give the goalie some support, and tonight was one Carlson’s worst games, along with the rest of the team. I’ve seen just about every great goalie get pasted like that when they get absolutely zero support from the rest of the team. And I think tonight was the first time I’ve seen Reirdon actually yell at the team, it was during that time out early in the 2nd.
     I thought this was Carlsons worst game of the season.  He and Kempny were bad.

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #107 on: February 09, 2020, 09:52:41 AM »


Looked at replays, I think 4, 5, 6 he should have gotten.

4 - The floater from the blue line that was deflected in. Holts was just leaky there.

5 - Turnover that led to a wrist shot from the Ovi spot. A good glove hand should have had that.

6 - The reason why I thought 6 he had a chance on was because the guy who tipped it WASN'T the guy on the far side of the net, he was the guy on the short side, and that tip was saveable with good positioning IMO.


The breakaway (#3), yeah I can see what you're saying about Holts being too passive there. That said, I generally don't expect goalies to save clean breakaways like that all the time so that's one I can see how he could have had that but also could give him a pass on. The three one timers I think were just too high danger to stop.

4 5 6 he should have had, and if he could have stopped 1 from the other 4 goals, I'd consider that a good effort on Holtby's part (we'd still lose though).
      I feel you guys are being too hard on Holtby. Obviously not his best game but none of the 7 goals were soft. I think it's time to stop throwing Holtby under the bus. Let's face the facts. This team is very weak defensively and we might be the worst team at managing the puck. I have never seen a team turn the puck over so often.
      Not all of the problem is on the defense. Our forwards cheat by leaving the zone early not giving our defencemen anyone to pass to. Teams are picking off the stretch pass at a high rate because they know it is coming.
      This team is not as good as our record indicates.

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #108 on: February 09, 2020, 10:00:55 AM »

Were 2, 6, and 7 the 2 one-timers (one cross crease and the other from behind the net) and the breakaway? Because if so I agree. There were a couple of deflection goals and a couple of wrist shot goals where I felt like a GOOD goalie could get some of them.


Again, LOSS isn't on Holts, but a good goalie doesn't give up a touchdown. A good goalie keeps the game within reach in case we want to mount a heroic comeback.


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Looked at replays, I think 4, 5, 6 he should have gotten.


4 - The floater from the blue line that was deflected in. Holts was just leaky there.


5 - Turnover that led to a wrist shot from the Ovi spot. A good glove hand should have had that.


6 - The reason why I thought 6 he had a chance on was because the guy who tipped it WASN'T the guy on the far side of the net, he was the guy on the short side, and that tip was saveable with good positioning IMO.




The remaining four "tougher" goals were the 3 one-timers from close up and the breakaway goal. I still think a goalie who is zoned in could get at least one of those, but those are some goals that admittedly I wouldn't have expected Holts to get. The other three though? Could have had them. Could have been a 4-2 or 3-2 game.
This reminded me of the game The Wings put 7 on Patrick Roy, in his infamous “last game in Montreal”.  All 19 players for Montreal flat out quit, including Roy.


His whole career he’s bailed out this shitty, pussy, lazy, move the puck to the other team, DCorps, particularly the biggest joke of a Norris candidate ever, making the saves you mentioned and keeping  the all to frequent efforts to 3-2 games or even wins to get Presidents trophies.


But, there’s reality no need to worry for now.  Ovie will crack 700 this year and may even hit 60 for the season, and “we’ll have a chance in the playoffs” and then Holtby won’t be a Cap anymore. But when he goes to a team we play against in the playoffs, that doesn’t have players watch breakaways from 2feet away and clears a net, our chances of winning that series will go to about zero.  Then we can blame Sammy for losing a game 3-0

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #109 on: February 09, 2020, 10:07:30 AM »
      I feel you guys are being too hard on Holtby. Obviously not his best game but none of the 7 goals were soft. I think it's time to stop throwing Holtby under the bus. Let's face the facts. This team is very weak defensively and we might be the worst team at managing the puck. I have never seen a team turn the puck over so often.
      Not all of the problem is on the defense. Our forwards cheat by leaving the zone early not giving our defencemen anyone to pass to. Teams are picking off the stretch pass at a high rate because they know it is coming.
      This team is not as good as our record indicates.
Agree 100%.   I wish Holts would of ripped Reirdon a new one and hope he went off, particularly on our faux-Norris candidate, in the locker room.


It’s all but certain he won’t be back next year, but for his sake, he needs to go full Patrick Roy by blowing up and refusing to play until traded.  This would give this organization a long overdue wake up call

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #110 on: February 09, 2020, 10:15:21 AM »
      Let's face the facts. This team is very weak defensively and we might be the worst team at managing the puck. I have never seen a team turn the puck over so often.
      Not all of the problem is on the defense. Our forwards cheat by leaving the zone early not giving our defencemen anyone to pass to. Teams are picking off the stretch pass at a high rate because they know it is coming.
      This team is not as good as our record indicates.


I agree with everything above.




      I feel you guys are being too hard on Holtby. Obviously not his best game but none of the 7 goals were soft. I think it's time to stop throwing Holtby under the bus.


This is what I don't agree with. And this isn't specific to this game. Let's for one moment forget about this game and who is to blame. This season overall, I feel like Holts has shit the bed on numerous occasions. There are some games where our play in front of him is shit, and there are some games where Holts isn't doing his job as an NHL goalie to keep us in the game. He has been BAD this season, and we can't just give him a free pass because of the Cup and Vezina and pretend he's not at fault whatsoever. In fact, he's been in decline for the past few seasons. Yes even the year we won the Cup, he was generally sub-par for most of that year. And yet, despite what is clearly a decline from his peak, we still treat him like the incumbent starter based on name and resume alone. That's part of what I have an issue with. He's been the worse performing goalie for us this season, why continue to force him to play over and over again? And if you want to argue that Sammy only has good stats because we play better in front of Sammy, then why the hell not play Sammy every game and send the message to the team that they have to play better every game?   


I am NOT saying Sammy is the 2nd coming of Jesus and will be our elite starter forever. I am saying Holtby has been playing like dog shit this year, and kinda has been for the past few years, and Sammy is performing better overall and we should be playing the hot hand for now. When Sammy starts to suck, give Holts a try again. If they both suck, maybe we need to re-evaluate our goaltending situation. But as of right now, we should think of Holts as a backup and not the starter or 1A.

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #111 on: February 09, 2020, 10:30:50 AM »
This is how Holts should start playing and thinking
(sadly this video quality sucks, but it’s the only one I could find)



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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #112 on: February 09, 2020, 11:26:11 AM »
I hope you're wrong about the uniforms, because we have more games coming up where we'll wear them, including:
  • February 10 vs. New York Islanders
  • February 23 vs. Pittsburgh Penguins
  • March 4 vs. Philadelphia Flyers
  • March 26 vs. New York Rangers
I actually like the old uniform.  It's my favorite.


I hear ya but I just watched too many games where we lost in excruciating fashion wearing those things including choking away 3-1 playoff leads and losing 4 OT games at 2:30 in the morning.  I just think we need something new.  Here's one idea I saw that doesn't look too bad, IMO.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/5JEhNHL3Ontt-47h0K7XFw4ZlbqvvoioAhoEZeahKcMkjBN-nwtgPT0LT-8eW6VMqXwk7TT-K-a98rt-PawGu4RlFdKH9wO7qTH-6shJcxlqBCOJjQ-9zYegIram

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #113 on: February 09, 2020, 11:40:58 AM »
This reminded me of the game The Wings put 7 on Patrick Roy, in his infamous “last game in Montreal”.  All 19 players for Montreal flat out quit, including Roy.


His whole career he’s bailed out this shitty, pussy, lazy, move the puck to the other team, DCorps, particularly the biggest joke of a Norris candidate ever, making the saves you mentioned and keeping  the all to frequent efforts to 3-2 games or even wins to get Presidents trophies.


But, there’s reality no need to worry for now.  Ovie will crack 700 this year and may even hit 60 for the season, and “we’ll have a chance in the playoffs” and then Holtby won’t be a Cap anymore. But when he goes to a team we play against in the playoffs, that doesn’t have players watch breakaways from 2feet away and clears a net, our chances of winning that series will go to about zero.  Then we can blame Sammy for losing a game 3-0
    This game also reminded me of that game which is why I made the comment that Holtby should ask for a trade after the game. It looks like the team has quit on Holtby and Holtby gas quit on the team. Might be time to move him.

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Re: G55 Flyers @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Feb 8, 2020 NBCSWA, NBCSP
« Reply #114 on: February 09, 2020, 10:08:32 PM »
This is how Holts should start playing and thinking
(sadly this video quality sucks, but it’s the only one I could find)



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LMAO
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