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alta:
Like I said, I use 4198 in a couple ARs without issue, it's not apples to apples with you because it's in 6.8spc, but it's damn close. It starting to sound like its a powder issue.
I don't think you will find an answer on a regular reloading forum. Most of those guys are old school and have limited experience, if any, with an AR. Some of them even despise it. I've got stories. Have you signed up at M4 carbine dot net? Those guys know their shit. Ask about in the reloading section. You need to be very specific, this is no different than getting a doctors diagnoses over the phone. AR15 dot com isn't the same place it was 10 years ago IMHO.
richkrt99:
On a more "fun" note....
My response to Sleepy Joe and his illegal ban on Russian imported ammo...
"F" him. Building me an "AR-47" just because.
I assembled the upper Saturday. First time actually mounting a gas block and barrel. Not too bad. Had a hard time getting the barrel nut (Aero adapter for the hand guard) mounted because I don't have a proper vice block. Had to get the nut to about 60lbs torque to rotate it to perfect alignment. I probably could have removed and installed one of the supplied shims and got it rotated at 30-40 lbs but I'm stubborn and only needed another couple degrees to get it right so I kept at it.
Now I'm on a budget and get parts cheap when available; ALL were sale items:
AR Stoner 7.62x39 heavy contour barrel, mid length gas
AR Stoner Bolt Carrier Group
MBS Carbine length tube, low profile gas block
AERO M4E1 Upper
AERO Atlas R-One mlok rail (I splurged on this and like it ALOT)
AERO blemished lower (yet to arrive - actually probably at my FFL, but I have not checked)
Hogue overmold carbine stock & Buffer
Hiperfire EDT trigger (supposed to have heavy hammer strike for that pesky steel cased ammo)
What I am still missing:
Enhanced firing pin for harder strikes (I've heard this is a must for AR build in 7.62x39)
Grip (I have several laying around)
muzzle break/flash hider
I threw the assembled upper onto one of my ready AR lowers and off we go...
Only 7.62x39 ammo I have is Wolf steel case. As rumored.....light hammer strikes on 4 of the 20 rounds I fired. (Guess I really DO need that enhanced firing pin.) It is my understanding the enhancement is the shoulder on the firing pin is a bit further down, so you get effectively a longer pin so the tip strikes the primer harder
Other than that everything seems to work. Good cycle, no jams (other than the light strikes)
The PSA lower I used has a standard FCG in it so hoping when I get the lower assembled with the heavier trigger it will get better and the enhanced pin will solve the light hammer strikes altogether (if I ever find one - everywhere I have looked is always out of stock)
richkrt99:
And the Wylde one....
18" stainless Wylde barrel
PSA nickel Boron BCG
Hogue overmold stock, grip
Hiperfire EDT SS trigger
Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 x 24 scope
This is going to be my target gun...eventually
alta:
Before I built my first one, I researched building these things for a good six months. Complete upper and lower assembly is incredibly easy, if you know who to use a wrench without constantly stripping treads. The bigger issue with the flood of vendors in the last 15-20 years is knowing which ones offer quality parts. Some of the stuff you will find is for the air soft market and will not hold up in a real gun. If the rifle is really going to get shot a lot, more than a couple thousand rounds a year, you want top shelf parts. Most people won't put a couple hundred rounds through one a year. Pre covid I was closer to the couple thousand rounds a year.
When a top shelf factory rifle is recommended for high use, it's usually close to a $2000 rifle. I never could understand that price point, until I built a couple the way I wanted with top shelf parts. It's not hard to go over that mark before buying optics.
I had considered building one in 7.62x39 so that got researched as well. I ended up not doing it as I've already got other options. Appearently, the trick to get a reliable 7.62x39 AR is all in the magazine. I saved that info somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
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it appears Duramag and C-Products are the preferred mags for 7.62x39 in an AR. I use C-Products for the 6.8. No complaints.
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: alta on Tuesday September 07, 2021, 05:38:48 PM Eastern ---Before I built my first one, I researched building these things for a good six months. Complete upper and lower assembly is incredibly easy, if you know who to use a wrench without constantly stripping treads. The bigger issue with the flood of vendors in the last 15-20 years is knowing which ones offer quality parts. Some of the stuff you will find is for the air soft market and will not hold up in a real gun. If the rifle is really going to get shot a lot, more than a couple thousand rounds a year, you want top shelf parts. Most people won't put a couple hundred rounds through one a year. Pre covid I was closer to the couple thousand rounds a year.
When a top shelf factory rifle is recommended for high use, it's usually close to a $2000 rifle. I never could understand that price point, until I built a couple the way I wanted with top shelf parts. It's not hard to go over that mark before buying optics.
I had considered building one in 7.62x39 so that got researched as well. I ended up not doing it as I've already got other options. Appearently, the trick to get a reliable 7.62x39 AR is all in the magazine. I saved that info somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
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it appears Duramag and C-Products are the preferred mags for 7.62x39 in an AR. I use C-Products for the 6.8. No complaints.
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That's funny. I heard the same thing. I actually watched a video from Mr GunsNGear recently (although I don't know when the video was actually from) where he reviewed some mags for the AR build of 7.62x39 and mentioned those two specifically. Also saw a video of his where he tried to destroy PSA's AK mag (actually for an AK) and it held up better than expected.
I actually was GOING TO GO the Grendel route, but I'm really not long range shooting precision shooting and I have a decent AR-10/.308 that will reach farther than I am capable of shooting....so
I thought I'd try the "AR-47" version for up close contact with a bit more thump. That and I wanted something with fairly available and cheap ammo if it ever comes to that.
I looked at an actual AK, but in my price point, could not swallow that pill.....and honestly I know they are ultra reliable time tested, but the stamped steel just looks cheap to me. Couldn't get past it. And I already have so much AR stuff....
Anyway, we shall see.
I think the one mag have have for it currently is a AR Stoner mag cause that's what Midway had and I got the barrel and BCG there on sale. It did function for my very short test.
I believe I ordered one C products mags and one other from Brownells, but Brownells has gotten to be very pricey compared to others lately. Don't have those in hand yet
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