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zerofox:
I think we'll need to part with Holtby sometime in the not too distant future. Guy is a UFA and if Bob's huge contract is any indicator, Holts will be massively overpaid. Ever since Mitch Korn left, Holtby has done nothing to make me feel like he's a consistent elite goalie. I mean think about it, Holts played amazingly during Trotz's first 3 years as coach (and Korn's first 3 "full time" years). During the 2017-2018 season, Korn scaled back his role, and Holts was absolutely abysmal. Korn gets a little more involved towards the end of the season, and Holts wins a Cup. Holts is once again shit when Trotz and Korn leave the Caps. I see a pattern here.
Holtby is a good goalie but Korn is the only thing capable of making him an elite goalie. Without Korn, Holts is NOT worth more than $7 million, but he's going to get way north of that. And he's probably going to get term too, which again, he's not worth a long term contract.
We already have some overpaid players, such as:
Kuzy - He's paid too much for his "no effort regular season" mentality and retarded plays on ice. He's gotta play harder for $7.8 million a year.
Carlson - He's paid too much for his general stupidity and PP fuck ups (whether it's a botched slingshot or a bad pass to Ovi). $8 million a year is high as fuck for him, and he'll be 36 by the end.
Oshie - I love Oshie and think $5.7 million a year is fair, but his injuries are a concern and the term. Holy fuck the TERM. Guy will be 38 by the end of his contract.
You could argue that some other contracts are overpays as well, but in those cases the overpayment is pretty small (because the contracts are generally small). Djoos is overpaid, but who gives a shit about a couple hundred grand? It's the contracts above that are hurting / will hurt the most.
But to add Holtby to that, I feel like he would get $8-10 million a year (probably closer to the higher end of that range) and at LEAST 6 years. He's not worth that much. No way in hell. To add a contract like that to our existing iffy contracts would be death. But he's going to get paid for the Vezina and Cup, which are well behind him. We would be better off getting a solid goalie in the $4-5 million range and using the extra money to bolster other areas of the team.
Holts is going to be a UFA after next season. It would be terrible to lose him for nothing. It also probably wouldn't make sense to switch goalies mid-season if we're trying to make a push. So if not now then nothing would happen until next offseason, where we'll lose him for nothing. I almost feel like we should part ways with Holts now, get some return for him...
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: zerofox on Saturday July 27, 2019, 02:33:06 PM Eastern ---I think we'll need to part with Holtby sometime in the not too distant future. Guy is a UFA and if Bob's huge contract is any indicator, Holts will be massively overpaid. Ever since Mitch Korn left, Holtby has done nothing to make me feel like he's a consistent elite goalie. I mean think about it, Holts played amazingly during Trotz's first 3 years as coach (and Korn's first 3 "full time" years). During the 2017-2018 season, Korn scaled back his role, and Holts was absolutely abysmal. Korn gets a little more involved towards the end of the season, and Holts wins a Cup. Holts is once again shit when Trotz and Korn leave the Caps. I see a pattern here.
Holtby is a good goalie but Korn is the only thing capable of making him an elite goalie. Without Korn, Holts is NOT worth more than $7 million, but he's going to get way north of that. And he's probably going to get term too, which again, he's not worth a long term contract.
We already have some overpaid players, such as:
Kuzy - He's paid too much for his "no effort regular season" mentality and retarded plays on ice. He's gotta play harder for $7.8 million a year.
Carlson - He's paid too much for his general stupidity and PP fuck ups (whether it's a botched slingshot or a bad pass to Ovi). $8 million a year is high as fuck for him, and he'll be 36 by the end.
Oshie - I love Oshie and think $5.7 million a year is fair, but his injuries are a concern and the term. Holy fuck the TERM. Guy will be 38 by the end of his contract.
You could argue that some other contracts are overpays as well, but in those cases the overpayment is pretty small (because the contracts are generally small). Djoos is overpaid, but who gives a shit about a couple hundred grand? It's the contracts above that are hurting / will hurt the most.
But to add Holtby to that, I feel like he would get $8-10 million a year (probably closer to the higher end of that range) and at LEAST 6 years. He's not worth that much. No way in hell. To add a contract like that to our existing iffy contracts would be death. But he's going to get paid for the Vezina and Cup, which are well behind him. We would be better off getting a solid goalie in the $4-5 million range and using the extra money to bolster other areas of the team.
Holts is going to be a UFA after next season. It would be terrible to lose him for nothing. It also probably wouldn't make sense to switch goalies mid-season if we're trying to make a push. So if not now then nothing would happen until next offseason, where we'll lose him for nothing. I almost feel like we should part ways with Holts now, get some return for him...
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Without Holtby we’d of been lucky to make the playoffs last year.
Under Reidon, his EA Sports System, and the roster full of offensive only players, Holtbu had to do more than any goalie in the league last year. It’s as simple as a team last in faceoffs and PK shouldn’t even make the playoffs.
If . . . if. . .,he wants to stay, the Caps need to do everything to keep him for another couple years,
Mickstix:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Sunday July 28, 2019, 10:07:32 AM Eastern ---If . . . if. . .,he wants to stay...
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Shit, what other white collar/liberal dominated town is he gonna play for? Seattle? Send him on.. :yawn:
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Monday July 29, 2019, 09:36:26 AM Eastern ---Shit, what other white collar/liberal dominated town is he gonna play for? Seattle? Send him on.. :yawn:
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NYI
DC_1908:
Interesting piece on Chandler Stephenson
Though I’m not a J.J. Regan fan in the least. He writes like his playing video games and writing for others also playing video games
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