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PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Friday July 26, 2019, 09:51:05 AM Eastern ---Good post Rush. I'd grudgingly agree with your assessment on Juice. He has learned to be effective at parts of the game he can survive in. He is effective at "his" game. He positioning is good. I am sure that's why mgmt/coaching likes him. He just isn't the D-man on my wish list.
I will agree ALOT of the Caps D problem is clearing the zone - its not the initial rush, its the inability to move the puck up and out that seems to plaque us. They get hemmed in and then do something stupid with the puck. That's not all on the D guys either. However, having a smaller sized D is only going exacerbate the problem of retrieving a lost puck. Djoos simply can't take it back - he positions himself well to defend it, but simply cannot just go take it away. Not sure why our coaching staff has not developed some schemes to help clear the puck better (with whatever talent pool they have available). I realize we have to work with what we have.
I'm just a little surprised at the $1.25m. I mean I guess Arbitration shoots for middle ground, but Juice's corner asking for $1.9m is a joke, all things considered. A fairly unproven, seriously injured 24 year old 160 lb D guy, who did struggle last season....seems like a stretch. I would have been okay with an even $1m for him at this point in his "career"
I looked up a few stats on him - He is an overall +24 in plus/minus in 108 NHL games. His corsi numbers are pretty even (neither good or bad). He is upside down on giveaways vs take aways with 23 take aways and 55 give away.
Now, I am not a real stat guy and don't even know if that TK vs GV stat is average or below average for a NHL d man, but I would think that's not great....especially for a guy on a good team.
He does have 100+ games of NHL experience, so there's something. His playoff stats are much worse, but also not as large of a sample pool, but 22/25 of his playoff games were during the Stanley Cup year, so his playoff numbers should be better.
I looked up Orlov's numbers for comparison...and Orlov's stats are better....especially if you add in Hits and blocked shots. I realize not the same type of player, but Orly was the first one I think of when it comes to stupid turnovers in our own end.
Anyway, not really knocking Juice, but think $1.25 is about 20% too much for him, all things considered. But then, WTF do I know.
For what its worth, I went back and looked up team corsi for the Caps last year and it was 49.0, so Juice at 48.8 that year means he is about at the team average.
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Back at ya Rich! Very fair and good post. as well!
You used a good variety of stats, to shed more light on Djoos.
This may sound odd, coming from me, but if I were an NHL head coach, with even just a slightly above average, overall team defense, I would most likely NOT want to take a gamble with Djoos.
One of the takeaways I want to imply from my previous post, is NOT so much that Djoos carries the pedigree of a “written-in-stone”, hands down, sure fire, starter, on any NHL team, as a defenseman.
He doesn’t, at all, really!
Maybe he’d be welcome on 40-50%, of the NHL franchises. Just guessing?
But he certainly would not fit in well with teams that predominantly rely more on physical, gritty, defensive efforts, for their overall success. He would be an ineffective team contributor, in this scenario!
He does happen to gel better in the Caps defensive scheme, partly because our general defense problems, are glaringly obvious, and we have a few more prominent named guys on our defensive crew, whose mistakes are easily observed, and have been repeatedly addressed, over several seasons, and they seem to never get corrected.
As fans, we see these defense challenges as ever reoccurring, perpetual issues. We know the major guilty parties, sadly through repetition, and we voice our complaints often, here on the board! LOL
It’s certainly plausible that part of the reason they choose to put Djoos on the ice, isn’t so much about his great contributions to the team, but perhaps because his specific shortcomings on D, aren’t as heavy of a liability to our overall team defense, as the more major shortcomings of some of our other guys!
Let me add that our Stanley Cup win came about for several unique reasons! One of them being our whole team, defensive effort, and hustle, which if we are honest, looked nothing like our standard defensive postures during the regular season. It’s still a mystery to me how it came about, although a very HAPPY mystery, nonetheless!!!👍
Also didn’t know that Djoos’s camp was asking damn near 2 mil!!
Thanks Rich!
Rush
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Friday July 26, 2019, 11:32:09 PM Eastern ---Ok, I got ya.. Just saw the post about moving Oshie, Eller, or Copley.. I mean Djoos is ok, but I wouldn't be trading off anyone of those 3 to keep
his tiny ass.. :raspberry: :rofl:
As for Kempny.. Im not so sure he's gonna be on any IR list. Saw a video of the dude running up/down stadium stairs the other day..
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Hey Mick!
Hope your summer is goin well!
I was just curious about the Kempny video. I assume you mean he looked ok? Could you tell if he was still in good physical conditioning, as well? He was on crutches for quite a while.
Rush
BlackIce:
OK, so the Caps just resigned Stephenson for $1.05M, so now we know the full extent of the salary cap situation.
As the roster is now constructed, with "all 23 spots filled," the Caps are $1.365 million over the salary cap. But in reality, the situation is a little worse than that, because the team will need at least a little bit of cap space to bring up players when roster guys are hurt, but not seriously enough to go on LTIR. You can hang with no replacement for one player for a few games if you have to, but if multiple players are banged up, call-ups are needed. And any time a goalie is out for a few games, a backup absolutely HAS to be brought in. I'd think that the Caps would like at least a quarter million dollars in place for such contingencies, so the amount of reduction that I'd think GMBM would need to get would be, at minimum, between $1.6 and $1.7 million. Also, it should be noted that, as far as I know, both Djoos and Stephenson must go through waivers to get sent down.
So simply sending Djoos or Stephenson down, even if the Caps were willing to lose them for nothing, won't solve their problem. They could lose Djoos (or trade him for a prospect, say), bring up a Hershey guy, and save $300K to $600K that way. Then if they also moved Stephenson off the roster one way or another, and DIDN'T replace him, going with 13 forwards, that COULD about do it if the Djoos replacement was really cheap.
Alternatively, someone else would need to go. If it were a defenseman, he would HAVE to be replaced, because 7 defensemen at a minimum are needed on the roster. If it were a forward, he wouldn't HAVE to be. Though if it was a more core player that were moved you'd think the Caps would try to bring in someone cheaper but still a viable NHL player, since their forward prospect pool is so bare right now.
Then there is the goalie situation.
Mickstix:
--- Quote from: PUCKNRUSH on Friday July 26, 2019, 11:57:42 PM Eastern ---
Hey Mick!
Hope your summer is goin well!
I was just curious about the Kempny video. I assume you mean he looked ok? Could you tell if he was still in good physical conditioning, as well? He was on crutches for quite a while.
Rush
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Summer's going good Puck! Hope your's is as well!! Not sure how many or how long he did them, but from the short twitter video, he looked fine to me.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/video-michal-kempny-doing-bleacher-runs-reminds-us-there-no-offseason-capitals
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Saturday July 27, 2019, 07:34:55 AM Eastern ---OK, so the Caps just resigned Stephenson for $1.05M, so now we know the full extent of the salary cap situation.
As the roster is now constructed, with "all 23 spots filled," the Caps are $1.365 million over the salary cap. But in reality, the situation is a little worse than that, because the team will need at least a little bit of cap space to bring up players when roster guys are hurt, but not seriously enough to go on LTIR. You can hang with no replacement for one player for a few games if you have to, but if multiple players are banged up, call-ups are needed. And any time a goalie is out for a few games, a backup absolutely HAS to be brought in. I'd think that the Caps would like at least a quarter million dollars in place for such contingencies, so the amount of reduction that I'd think GMBM would need to get would be, at minimum, between $1.6 and $1.7 million. Also, it should be noted that, as far as I know, both Djoos and Stephenson must go through waivers to get sent down.
So simply sending Djoos or Stephenson down, even if the Caps were willing to lose them for nothing, won't solve their problem. They could lose Djoos (or trade him for a prospect, say), bring up a Hershey guy, and save $300K to $600K that way. Then if they also moved Stephenson off the roster one way or another, and DIDN'T replace him, going with 13 forwards, that COULD about do it if the Djoos replacement was really cheap.
Alternatively, someone else would need to go. If it were a defenseman, he would HAVE to be replaced, because 7 defensemen at a minimum are needed on the roster. If it were a forward, he wouldn't HAVE to be. Though if it was a more core player that were moved you'd think the Caps would try to bring in someone cheaper but still a viable NHL player, since their forward prospect pool is so bare right now.
Then there is the goalie situation.
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If they know Kempy and/or Oshie will, (at minimum) start the season on LTIR. That should, theoretically, give enough cap relief to fit Djoos and Stephenson under the cap for a while.
If they plan to trade anyone of them for a low pick or give one away via waivers, there’s little to know organizational depth to replace them with.
Bottom line is the salary cap situation has been Full Retard since GMBetaMale and Monumental started this circus act. The continued practice of over-valuing players and signing them to untradable contracts, including splashy tradeline and UFA signings are only just starting to show the negative effects.
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