GDT#45 Capitals @ Hurricanes 2018-01-12 7:30pm EST NBCSPW

[Maacoshark]

So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate

  That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.

I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing

   I know Carlson has made some mistakes that have lead to goals. All of our defensemen have. He has also done a lot if good things for our team but you refuse to acknowledge that. Funny you rip him for being a minus 3 which I believe is now a minus 2 and if you take the empty net goals away he is a plus 4. You also have to remember he plays a lot of minutes against the top players. You say he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game. You think Letang over Carlson? Letang has been a pylon all year.

I haven't watched enough of Letang to say, but I've seem enough of the Metro play to say Carlson wasn't dissed. 


Have even wondered why your opinion of Carlson is in an extreme minority?? It obviously hasn't occurred to you but you are capable of being wrong.

  You dont even really know my official opinion of Carlson. And my opinion isn't a minority anywhere but here and I dont get it. Who do you think deserves to be can all-star over Carlson in the metro? Seth Jones? Ya I can live with that. Letang? He has been brutal. Leddy? Probably worse than Letang. Shattenkirk? Lmao . Carlson has outplayed them all both sides of the ice and your opinion doesn't change that. Is he the best dman in the league? Hell no but he us by far our best dman.
   Since we are talking about opinions here is my official opinion of Carlson. I think he is a decent 2 way dman. Plays pp and kills penalties. Has a good shot. Pretty good at joining the rush. His defense can be suspect at times. He is decent at one on one coverage. He does have a good stick defensively. His biggest faults are turnovers on lazy passes and lack of physical play. You guys think I am a Carlson lover when the truth us he isn't even one of my 5 favorites players on this team. I have defended him because I dont like how he gets blamed for everything but get very little credit for the good things he does. His name gets thrown out there with more negativity than anyone else on this team.
     At first I thought the Caps wouldn't keep him after this season but with all the losses on defense I feel that has changed. The Caps have already had talks with Carlson. Sorry guys but I'm pretty sure Carlson isn't going anywhere.

[Maacoshark]

  Carolina just handed this game away. The missed high stick call in Kuzy may have helped too. Officiating has been a bug issue this season. It seems every game there is a controversy call or non call. Glad it went our way tonight.

[ArJunaZ]

[ArJunaZ]

1st Period
03:20  Canes PP GOAL Staal   1-0 CAR
07:25  PP GOAL 20-Eller, assists 13-Vrana & 8-Ovechkin   1-1 TIE

2nd Period
0:28  GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 74-Carlson & 92-Kuznetsov   2-1 WSH
08:50  Canes PP GOAL AHO   2-2 TIE

3rd Period
01:49  Canes GOAL Skinner   3-2 CAR
16:52  GOAL 10-Connolly, unassisted   3-3 TIE
19:58  GOAL 83-Beagle, assists 19-Bäckström & 8-Ovechkin   4-3 WSH

FINAL:    4-3 WSH

[Rush]

what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate

  It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.

Weak call?  A blatant hold is what I saw, and Carlson did not even argue.  We see it differently at times.  The Norris candidate chop was kind of funny. I'd roll with it.   :D    We're all here to have fun and be friends.  Taking a gentle poke is sometimes a part of that. 

  I still think we should call a spade a spade. Dont rip one guy for taking a penalty but let Connolly, Orlov and Kuzy off the hook for the penalties they took.
    Geez I can't believe I keep defending Carlson. I never thought too much about him until I met you guys. You guys are so hard on him here that I took him under my wing to protect him. I'll drop the gloves if I have to.

Hey Maaco! Try to hear me out on this one.
I can’t believe you keep defending the guy either! I can certainly respect your opinion, no problem, I just don’t understand WHY you have it!!
I’m not attempting to be sarcastic or passive/aggressive with you, here, but I truly can’t get my head around how to square up your obvious, in depth hockey knowledge and analysis, with your support of such obvious and blatant playing mistakes of John Carlson.
I certainly don’t think you are using his POINTS or TOI totals, as support for your positions on #74!  That is an obvious incomplete picture that you would be smarter than, to paint!! That’s ALL he’s got!


The part-time, lower hockey IQ fans, are the ones who buy into THOSE stat numbers, as gospel,like lemmings running off a cliff!
I say to you as a DIRECT COMPLEMENT to YOUR  hockey IQ, that you are miles above the average hockey fans knowledge, IMHO! (Sincere props, buddy)!  But IRONY of IRONIES, think about your last sentence in your post about being willing to take the gloves off to defend JOHN CARLSON!!  Even if you weren’t being LITERAL, it’s still paradoxical logic on your point!
Why would you drop gloves for a guy, who is the epitome of SOFT!!  Almost NEVER, if ever, has he dropped gloves for ANY FUCKING BODY!!!! I don’t know you that well, but you CERTAINLY don’t strike me as a man who would have someone’s back, who was too much of a wimp to have YOURS!!!
You’ve played and learned hockey, as you’ve mentioned, quite a bit in your life, so it would seem that you would have better insight on my point here, which is, to say, go ahead and defend his sorry ass, but if you were on the ice with him, you have to ask yourself, WOULD HE DROP GLOVES FOR YOU!!
Respectfully, I’ll say, YOU already KNOW that answer!
Just trying to give you something else to consider!
It’s all good!


Rush

[Rush]

I gotta say, some of the better "gentalmens clubs" I've been to are in Raleigh.

👍👍🤣😂🤣


Rush

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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate

  That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.

I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing

   I know Carlson has made some mistakes that have lead to goals. All of our defensemen have. He has also done a lot if good things for our team but you refuse to acknowledge that. Funny you rip him for being a minus 3 which I believe is now a minus 2 and if you take the empty net goals away he is a plus 4. You also have to remember he plays a lot of minutes against the top players. You say he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game. You think Letang over Carlson? Letang has been a pylon all year.

I haven't watched enough of Letang to say, but I've seem enough of the Metro play to say Carlson wasn't dissed. 


Have even wondered why your opinion of Carlson is in an extreme minority?? It obviously hasn't occurred to you but you are capable of being wrong.

  You dont even really know my official opinion of Carlson. And my opinion isn't a minority anywhere but here and I dont get it. Who do you think deserves to be can all-star over Carlson in the metro? Seth Jones? Ya I can live with that. Letang? He has been brutal. Leddy? Probably worse than Letang. Shattenkirk? Lmao . Carlson has outplayed them all both sides of the ice and your opinion doesn't change that. Is he the best dman in the league? Hell no but he us by far our best dman.
   Since we are talking about opinions here is my official opinion of Carlson. I think he is a decent 2 way dman. Plays pp and kills penalties. Has a good shot. Pretty good at joining the rush. His defense can be suspect at times. He is decent at one on one coverage. He does have a good stick defensively. His biggest faults are turnovers on lazy passes and lack of physical play. You guys think I am a Carlson lover when the truth us he isn't even one of my 5 favorites players on this team. I have defended him because I dont like how he gets blamed for everything but get very little credit for the good things he does. His name gets thrown out there with more negativity than anyone else on this team.
     At first I thought the Caps wouldn't keep him after this season but with all the losses on defense I feel that has changed. The Caps have already had talks with Carlson. Sorry guys but I'm pretty sure Carlson isn't going anywhere.

ArJ is intelligent enough to see that some of us continuing to point out Carlsons flaws is because some of us refuse to agree to disagree. I wonder where I've heard that before

[Beaglefan2]

Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.


I think it is time to wish him well and move on.

[Rush]

Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.


I think it is time to wish him well and move on.

Sometimes it takes someone to be the calm eye of the hurricane! Thanks Beags, you made a lot of sense there, my friend!
I’ll try harder to apply the “wish him well and move on” comments as well!


Rush

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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.


I think it is time to wish him well and move on.

^^^^^this


last nights stats have been tallied. Carlson has improved to a -2 on the season, and Nisky, whom someone here has pounded into the sand this year, is a +18.


I've never looked at a players CORSI numbers, I read what it is, is supposed to tell us, and how it's flawed, so I don't use CORSI, and haven't been disappointed either. There aren't really any stats that I do put weight in, except for goalies. Pretty much, my sole form of player evaluation is just watching them play, their on ice awareness, how much energy they appear to expend, how physical they are for their size. Plus/minus a little, but as we saw with 55 having a +50 season half of that is chance, then the Caps trade him to Shitsburg and he gets a ring for doing frikin nothing.

[DC_1908]

Maaco has never said how great Carlson is a hitting, shot blocking, crease clearing, physical play, shot blocking, positioning, man on man coverage, breaking up odd man rushes, picking off passes because he knew where it was going, you know things a Dman should do.


But Maaco is typically right on what he praises Carlson for.


The thing we are missing is perspective.  Carlson is an excellent near elite offensive defenseman/4th forward (a role that has become but a high risk circus novelty act after Paul Coffey all but invented it). 


Personally, my anger at Carslon has dropped off once I stopped excepting him being anything more than a fourth forward,  Including the things I mentioned above as they assuredly won’t happen.


So if the Norris is now given to the best “fourth forward”, sure give it Carlson.  Then he can except it in a clown suit, because defense is not high on his preference, skill sets, assignments, and  certainly not his achievements.

[DC_1908]

90 -3.      To their credit, it’s a 67% increase from yesterday

[Maacoshark]

    I honestly dont care for the new breed of dmen. Teams want at least 4 men involved in every rush. I like the dmen getting involved in the offensive zone making plays to keep the puck in as long as a forward is there to cover. Now you see dmen leaving the dzone early and leading the rush. Orlov does it all the time. Some of the old school type dmen are struggling with the way the game has changed. Guys like Weber, Seabrook, Orpik or even Alzner. Seabrook was a healthy scratch in one game last week.
     I'm having a tough time making the adjustment too. The league is going to puck moving dmen that can skate. You are seeing smaller and less physical dmen now. In the past you would never see a player like Djoos.
     As for Carlson being a Norris candidate. I think he should get some votes but I still think atleast a handful of dmen are having better seasons. And before we get too hard on Carlson defensive play I will say that he is better defensively than the majority of offensive defencemen around the league. Try watching guys like that Gostisbehere, Letang, Leddy, Krug, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Sergachev, Green, Karlsson, Reilly, Klingberg, Subban, Barrie, Burns. All offensive dmen that are prone to mistakes in the defensive zone. Yet somehow the majority of these guys are considered elite and Carlson is  better or as good as a 2 way  dman than any of them. You guys cry about Carlson but trust me we dont have it that bad.

[DC_1908]

    I honestly dont care for the new breed of dmen. Teams want at least 4 men involved in every rush. I like the dmen getting involved in the offensive zone making plays to keep the puck in as long as a forward is there to cover. Now you see dmen leaving the dzone early and leading the rush. Orlov does it all the time. Some of the old school type dmen are struggling with the way the game has changed. Guys like Weber, Seabrook, Orpik or even Alzner. Seabrook was a healthy scratch in one game last week.
     I'm having a tough time making the adjustment too. The league is going to puck moving dmen that can skate. You are seeing smaller and less physical dmen now. In the past you would never see a player like Djoos.
     As for Carlson being a Norris candidate. I think he should get some votes but I still think atleast a handful of dmen are having better seasons. And before we get too hard on Carlson defensive play I will say that he is better defensively than the majority of offensive defencemen around the league. Try watching guys like that Gostisbehere, Letang, Leddy, Krug, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Sergachev, Green, Karlsson, Reilly, Klingberg, Subban, Barrie, Burns. All offensive dmen that are prone to mistakes in the defensive zone. Yet somehow the majority of these guys are considered elite and Carlson is  better or as good as a 2 way  dman than any of them. You guys cry about Carlson but trust me we dont have it that bad.

Exactly. I , and I may speak for a few others, don’t think we have it that good either. 


You are correct, that by nature the 4th forwards will be prone to mistakes, high risk, expliotable, and defensive liabilities, and when they have 4-5 young or expired other Dman, and are getting over 20 min a game. . . it’s way magnified and leads to way to many points for the other team.


We have at least two HOF forwards two young forwards making megabucks for thier “potential” alone, Mr Shopt-out, and a “talented” rooke. . . let them do our damn offense, because they sure as shit are gettin enough of the Cap without dipping into the DCorps for help.


So yes, Carlson is an elite 4th forward, and maybe an above average defensive Dman.   But, that is simply not gonna keep enough points off the board to get us out of the second round.


The ire towards Carlson is not just in him.  It’s toward the “entertainment first” philosophy that this team is built on.

[Maacoshark]

  I call those type of players hybrid dmen. Same Idea. Bobby Orr was the first to play that style but he really excelled at it. Teams didnt know how to defend it. The 80s had a handful of guys that played like that. Coffey, Leetch, Housley.
   Not many true dmen left. I miss guys like Scott Stevens and Mark Tinordi.

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there are an awful lot of people in this town that would never use Green and elite in the same sentance


when does the current CBA expire? we gotta wait until then to get this bye week horse crap reviewed and hopefully eliminated

[Surreylily]

Am I the only one who feels guilty about being handed this game?
Kuzy absolutely should have got a 2 + 2 for that high stick towards the end.
Bad reffing is bad reffing.


On a plus note, I had the Cane's feed, so got the face to face time with Big Willy in the first intermission! 

[Surreylily]

Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.


I think it is time to wish him well and move on.

I am not in the camp that wants to get rid of Dylan right now.  I don't think, as a team, we can afford to.
I believe it was me that coined the term "lacksadaisical"  regarding him and that is my biggest issue with him.  He has cost us at least one goal from his nonchalantly gliding back to the bench after his shift.  Maybe two, but it was so obvious!  It was embarrassing, pointless and just plain LAZY!  He seems to have a slower mental capacity for the game than many.  Everybody makes mistakes, yes, but he has so many brain farts!   He's an easy target, for sure, but it's like he holds up the targets for us to aim at.


@ Maaco.  You should have been here for the "Throw Mojo into the volcano" years!   

[Maacoshark]

there are an awful lot of people in this town that would never use Green and elite in the same sentance
    Lol hey used Green and elite in the same sentence I wasn't insinuated Green was elite. I've never said that about Green. I just said  a lot of the guys I mentioned were considered elite. I never said I considered them elite.

[Maacoshark]

Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.


I think it is time to wish him well and move on.

I am not in the camp that wants to get rid of Dylan right now.  I don't think, as a team, we can afford to.
I believe it was me that coined the term "lacksadaisical"  regarding him and that is my biggest issue with him.  He has cost us at least one goal from his nonchalantly gliding back to the bench after his shift.  Maybe two, but it was so obvious!  It was embarrassing, pointless and just plain LAZY!  He seems to have a slower mental capacity for the game than many.  Everybody makes mistakes, yes, but he has so many brain farts!   He's an easy target, for sure, but it's like he holds up the targets for us to aim at.


@ Maaco.  You should have been here for the "Throw Mojo into the volcano" years!   

   I probably would have joined in on the Throw Mojo into the volcano. He was one if those guys that rubbed me the wrong. I thought we should have shipped him out a couple years earlier. I felt he was underachieving. I'm second guessing that a but now because we are seeing Burakovsky fail miserably. Maybe Mojo wasn't that bad. I have seen enough if Burakovsky. I wouldn't have a problem if he was a healthy scratch the rest of the year. I really hope we can trade this guy. Sorry if my opinions on him offend anyone but he just isn't doing for me.