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Trotz resigned
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: 4 Caps on Tuesday June 19, 2018, 09:50:06 AM Eastern ---
If he signed a 5 year contract and the Caps fired him at some point he would still get paid for the remainder of the contract unless he accepted another job that paid him as much or more than his Caps contract.
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I believe that is only if the contract is guaranteed. I have not heard of a manidate that dictates NHL coaches contracts to be guaranteed as there is no union or bargaining agreement.
ArJunaZ:
--- Quote from: blee088 on Monday June 18, 2018, 06:51:45 PM Eastern ---there may be a ton of reasons for this. maybe a purely family one like they hate living in D.C. or something. Or maybe he just wants to relax and coach without high expectations and go to NYI. Or maybe it really was just a money issue. I have a feeling though that he just wants to live a more stress-free life
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I highly doubt that Trotz wants to leave DC. I remember an interview where he very adamantly said that he wanted to stay in Washington area because his family really loved it and found a home here and it was a very good place to be because of his son's situation. He's getting old. I would not be surprised if he simply retired. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would want either for himself or for his family to live in one of the top NHL market cities in the USA, many of which are shit holes IMO. This resignation really caught me off guard. I can understand the teams perspective. Trotz wanted a 5 year contract with big bucks. I could see them going big for a couple years and see if he can repeat. I like Barry a lot and I wish he would take a shorter deal and give it another go. Washington also helped HIM become a Stanley Cup winning coach. It's not all Barry. Surprised they could not find a middle ground, which makes me think he's maybe satiated and ready to slow it down.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 19, 2018, 08:48:37 AM Eastern ---that was humiliating. . . .
The combination of arrogance faux-conifidance under the guise of "professionalism" ijusr indication that he was bullied, out-maneuvered, and out played in the negations, again. Particularly when there is little to no regulations,(compared to a players), on the contract.
I hope those VIP seat holders, and the rest of the STH won't mind their prices going through the roof while knowing the team won't man up and keep one of the winningest coaches of all time.
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I don't understand your comment about being outmaneuvered in negotiations. If he would have signed a huge contract deal that the organization really didn't want to do, THEN I'd say he was outmaneuvered. But the organization, from what we can tell, heard what Trotz wanted and simply said no.
Now if you thought that Trotz should have been extended at a much higher salary before this year, then you might have a case, but it was clear that the organization wanted the option of moving on, and was willing to take the risk that it might backfire on them. Why?? Maybe because "backfiring on them" by definition would have meant the team had Stanley Cup success, so at least they would have that in the bank. Let's face it, if the Caps had fallen short again this year, you would be griping and demanding that the organization clean house, and you wouldn't have minded at all if Trotz had not been renewed, because "he's never won anything anyway." All of a sudden, with the Cup in hand, Trotz becomes all that.
chas:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday June 19, 2018, 10:22:12 AM Eastern ---Let's face it, if the Caps had fallen short again this year, you would be griping and demanding that the organization clean house, and you wouldn't have minded at all if Trotz had not been renewed, because "he's never won anything anyway." All of a sudden, with the Cup in hand, Trotz becomes all that.
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That's the mystique associated with winning the Stanley Cup. We kept hearing you can't win a cup unless you have a coach that has won a Cup (ignoring the whole contradiction). This is great for Trotz. Other teams are going to open the checkbook. Trotz is a proven regular season winner. He might argue that his post season performance has always been any number of factors. But he built a Stanley Cup team in five years. Apparently, the organization doesn't think he was that pivotal in the Cup win.
What about the Capitals now? It's not clear what changed in the post season. Did Trotz figure he was already checked out anyway and just give the reins to Reirden and it took a few games to get things worked out?
I guess we will find out in a few months who was responsible.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday June 19, 2018, 10:22:12 AM Eastern ---
I don't understand your comment about being outmaneuvered in negotiations. If he would have signed a huge contract deal that the organization really didn't want to do, THEN I'd say he was outmaneuvered. But the organization, from what we can tell, heard what Trotz wanted and simply said no.
Now if you thought that Trotz should have been extended at a much higher salary before this year, then you might have a case, but it was clear that the organization wanted the option of moving on, and was willing to take the risk that it might backfire on them. Why?? Maybe because "backfiring on them" by definition would have meant the team had Stanley Cup success, so at least they would have that in the bank. Let's face it, if the Caps had fallen short again this year, you would be griping and demanding that the organization clean house, and you wouldn't have minded at all if Trotz had not been renewed, because "he's never won anything anyway." All of a sudden, with the Cup in hand, Trotz becomes all that.
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First off, any coach can and should be able to be fired at anytime for any reason. But they didnt fire Trotz, they let him quit.
Now for sake of argument, lets just say that the Caps made counter offers etc. . . how does an NHL GM not outmaneuver the agents of a coach? Even if they had all the firepower? Business deals are not merely give and take, but misdirection, illusions, disguised 'poison-pills' and the likes to gain current and future advantage. If the result is a head coach leaving a team and area he loves after winning his first Cups for he and his agents to get paydays. . .is about all the proof you need to see that GMBetaMale was deystroyed and not able to crack Trotrz or his agents.
If that was the case, and his agents were being that unworkable, why "let" Trotz resign/ They do need to accept his resignation before ehe can resign? Why not delay that as long as possible to both find his replacement and keep him from getting another job at the same time, or at least threaten that in negotiations.
However, two weeks after winning a Cup by primarily coaching and the captain, and two weeks before Free Agency where several key players need resigned, . . . Monumental and BetaMale let themselves get railroaded and bullied into letting the coach walk. Looks like the Same Ol Caps where someone has to fuck something up and something has to go wrong .
Now Im not that attached to people or names, but were talking about a team that has had 5 coaches in 13 years that got out of the second once, a team that needed a philosophical and mental 180 to get past the second round, and team mixed with Hall of Famers and rookies just getting out off wining a Cup and partying all summer after their first (collective) Cup, . . .
this does not seem like a great time to change coaches for this group does it?
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