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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #260 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 02:50:09 PM Eastern »

We certainly didn’t get a deal on an NHL elite, HOF bound physical defenseman top tier enforcer that some act like we did.


I don't think a single person is acting like did.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #261 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 05:01:50 PM Eastern »

Probably not a surprise, but Korn heads to the Islanders with the rest of em'...  :-\


Korn joins Trotz and Lambert in NY. (Named director of goaltending.)

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #262 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 05:10:29 PM Eastern »
Probably not a surprise, but Korn heads to the Islanders with the rest of em'...  :-\


Korn joins Trotz and Lambert in NY. (Named director of goaltending.)




No, not a surprise.  But once again, the organization suffers no real loss of continuity because Korn promoted Scott Murray to goaltender coach last year and worked in more of an advisory capacity.  Not to say he won't be missed, but this HAS to be about an extreme an example that I've ever seen of an organizational makeover that isn't really a makeover at all.  It's really all about continuation and giving the same band another chance to play the same tune.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #263 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 06:37:02 PM Eastern »




No, not a surprise.  But once again, the organization suffers no real loss of continuity because Korn promoted Scott Murray to goaltender coach last year and worked in more of an advisory capacity. 




"Korn became the Capitals' director of goaltending ahead of the 2017-18 season. The move was made so that he could scale back his schedule, and spend more time at home. He returned to limited day-to-day operations when goaltender Braden Holtby went through a difficult stretch during February and March."

Hopefully winning the Cup will allow Holtby to not rely so much on Korn.. But I read in the comments below that article, someone quoted the WP, his Sports Psych guy, saying that had to talk him off the ledge.. Something about the goal posts and puck don't know who the "director of goaltending" is.. lol

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #264 on: Friday July 27, 2018, 09:19:55 PM Eastern »
Caps sign Wilson, six years 31 million.  That is about what people were speculating the contract would be between 4.5 and 5.5 million per year.  I think it is a good deal for both sides, Wilson gets long term security and Caps get a reasonabl cap hit although some people may think it is a little high. 
That pretty much takes care of business that needed to be done in the off season.  Can’t wait for start of training camp. 
Reading more, the contract is for 31.02 million with an average of 5.17 per year. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #265 on: Friday July 27, 2018, 09:25:52 PM Eastern »
This is easily my favorite GMBetaMale signing yet, 


Willies camp must of made him tap out as it took this long to get a no-brainer, great contract signed.  But none the less we will at least have one blue collar, alpha, throwback, old school real hockey player on this team for a while!


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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #266 on: Friday July 27, 2018, 09:31:34 PM Eastern »
This is easily my favorite GMBetaMale signing yet, 


Willies camp must of made him tap out as it took this long to get a no-brainer, great contract signed.  But none the less we will at least have one blue collar, alpha, throwback, old school real hockey player on this team for a while!

I predict that Wilson will be the next captain for the Capitals when Ovie retires. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #267 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 09:06:40 AM Eastern »
I predict that Wilson will be the next captain for the Capitals when Ovie retires.

I guess Orpik gets his "A" back? I was thinking Willy deserved that, immediately.. Anyway, love the signing!! I like it when players earn a good salary NOT just based on stats.. He does stuff you can't put on paper! People (well, some anyway) over on HF freaking out cause he got a dollar over 5 mil. lol 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #268 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 09:26:19 AM Eastern »
I expected Wilson to be 4.5 at most. Bit of an overpayment IMO, but glad it's 6 years.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #269 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 03:42:49 PM Eastern »
I expected Wilson to be 4.5 at most. Bit of an overpayment IMO, but glad it's 6 years.


For 6 years you have to overpay a little. We have done this with a few quality players now, upping the salary a bit to make sure we get the term we want on some of these guys. I'm overall happy with the contract, although I do think Wilson has to (and likely will) show some improvements on the stat sheet this upcoming season and beyond.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #270 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 04:46:33 PM Eastern »
That's a good contract for Willy, on par with Oshies.








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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #271 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 10:38:10 PM Eastern »
That's a good contract for Willy, on par with Oshies.








I still think they overpaid for Dylan. And should've let him walk if he didn't sign at 6.5-7
    And replace him with what? They didnt really over pay for Carlson. That's were the market is today. If we paid him what the Kings gave Doughty then yeah we overpaid him.


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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #272 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 10:41:09 PM Eastern »

For 6 years you have to overpay a little. We have done this with a few quality players now, upping the salary a bit to make sure we get the term we want on some of these guys. I'm overall happy with the contract, although I do think Wilson has to (and likely will) show some improvements on the stat sheet this upcoming season and beyond.
    For all we know last season might be a career year for Wilson. I sure hope not. Definitely more than I thought he would get.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #273 on: Saturday July 28, 2018, 10:47:00 PM Eastern »
It is a bit of an overpay but not the worst thing in the world. Hopefully Wilson will live up to that contract. He's definitely shown he can add value to the top line and PK, and not just be a 4th line goon. Hopefully now that he's getting the big bucks he'll be more careful with his fighting/hitting. Can't afford a top line guy to spend too much time in the box or suspended.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #274 on: Sunday July 29, 2018, 12:55:56 PM Eastern »

For 6 years you have to overpay a little. We have done this with a few quality players now, upping the salary a bit to make sure we get the term we want on some of these guys. I'm overall happy with the contract, although I do think Wilson has to (and likely will) show some improvements on the stat sheet this upcoming season and beyond.
while a strong if not unbeatable case for Wilsons contract in dollar value and years for overall player, leadership, example, exceeds the other resigning contracts GMBetaMale has made, a better GM, namely Holland, GMGM, The Captain, Lamerellio, Hextall, or Nill, would have near certainty got a better deal for The Caps.


This is one of the reason I call him GMBetaMale.  Each of his resiging deals, and somd trades, have had strong cases for overpaying for to many years, and too many resources.  “The Market”, “To Days Game”, has minimal effects on great GMs, and isn’t a significant excuse for overpaying in any business.


Clearly, he is being pushed around  by Monumental, and the agents.


As this shows the precedent for future signings has been set for his competition.  We should expect no great, if not reasonable,  contracts for any “name” players while he’s here. . . and a certain “Salaru Cap Hell” on the horizon.




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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #275 on: Sunday July 29, 2018, 05:18:57 PM Eastern »
While I think we were at least a million high on Wilson's contract, I'm glad he's back.  Now in saying that, I believe we've now overpaid Wilson and Orlov but slightly underpaid Kuzie.  Next year we'll have to deal with Vrana and Bura.  The problem is, only Kuzie has lived up to his potential.  Yes, Wilson is getting better and better, but how much of that is because he's playing alongside Kuzie and Ovie??  Is he really Clark Mk. II or is he really a potential 20-30 goal scorer on his own right?  Now another big question is Orlov going to continue to grow ... in the right direction?  While he had a better year last season, he still showed some flashes of inconsistent play.  For $5 million a year, we can't have that.  And sadly, if he starts to backslide, we better pull the trigger on him fast b/c his no-move clause comes into play during the 19/20 season.  And finally, Vrana and Bura.  Both of them supposedly have talent to burn and both have shown glimpses of it.  But for the past 2 seasons we have also had to sit them b/c they can't play at a consistent, PROFESSIONAL (ie. NHL) level.  So there you go; 4 out of 5 of the heart of the next generation of Capital stars (if you leave out Bowey b/c he was supposed to be part of this group) are question-marks but we still pay them to the tune of only leaving the team with one million to spare under the cap.  If you're optimistic then that's nothing to worry about and everything will turn out fine, but if you're a realist .........

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #276 on: Sunday July 29, 2018, 05:23:01 PM Eastern »
GMGM is a better GM?? LOL!!!! I'm sorry DC, but you jumped the shark with that one. McPhee hasn't won squat and BM had to take some of GM's pieces and FINALLY get them over the top with right augmentations. GM is NOT a better general manager.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #277 on: Sunday July 29, 2018, 05:38:27 PM Eastern »
GMGM is a better GM?? LOL!!!! I'm sorry DC, but you jumped the shark with that one. McPhee hasn't won squat and BM had to take some of GM's pieces and FINALLY get them over the top with right augmentations. GM is NOT a better general manager.
In 4 years BMac has established himself as one of the best GMs in the league.  I wouldn’t trade him for any of the GMs listed by DC.  In his 4 years the Caps have the most regulation wins and one Stanley Cup ans would have had two if Holtby had played in 2017 like he did this year. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #278 on: Sunday July 29, 2018, 06:54:33 PM Eastern »
In 4 years BMac has established himself as one of the best GMs in the league.  I wouldn’t trade him for any of the GMs listed by DC.  In his 4 years the Caps have the most regulation wins and one Stanley Cup ans would have had two if Holtby had played in 2017 like he did this year.
    I dont always agree with decisions by our GMs past and present but we did win a cup with GMBM. I have no problem with any of the players he has signed. I have some issues with the amount and length of some contracts. As far as trades go I think the only made one bad trade, that being the deal for Shattenkirk. On the fence with the MoJo trade. No problems trading him but I thought we could have gotten more.
   The best moves I think GMBM made was the ones he didnt make. Letting guys like Shattenkirk, Alzner, Winnick and Williams go via free agency were all good decisions. Still dont know about letting Beagle go. To be honest, take away faceoff % and Beagle actually had a terrible year. We will miss his work ethic though.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #279 on: Monday July 30, 2018, 12:19:07 AM Eastern »
In 4 years BMac has established himself as one of the best GMs in the league.  I wouldn’t trade him for any of the GMs listed by DC.  In his 4 years the Caps have the most regulation wins and one Stanley Cup ans would have had two if Holtby had played in 2017 like he did this year.
Sure, he’s entertaining.   Agents love him for their new yachts and the little work they have to do get a player signed by the Caps.  But GMs aren’t charities for agents or entertainers, they’re businessman who are at war with agents and the salary cap among other things.


But the bottom line his, GMGMs players won a Cup in a season that was deamed a throw-awayvyear because cap and rooster mess GMBetaMale got us in.  A mess that’s gonna get worse year after year due to the entertaining and poor-negotiating skills of GMBetaMale and Monumental.


And we may have had two Cupd if GMBetaMale & Patrick didn’t get hoodwinked into trading Shattenkra while a pond-league team hoping the goalie bails them out.  Besides most fans will always blame the goalie first