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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Sunday June 24, 2018, 05:55:55 PM Eastern --- You are contradicting yourself. We won the cup with the system and Carlson was a huge part of it. Our system wasnt only a trap system. It involved dmen joining the rush. Also a big part of our success in the playoffs was due to our potent pp. Carlson was very important in that pp. We dont have anyone close to Carlson to play his spot on the pp. I know a lot of guys here aren't fans of Carlson but without him we dont win the cup. Not sure why some guys can't admit that.
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I wouldn’t go that far. Yoiu have a point about his spot on the PP but Carslon isn’t Nick Lidstrom, Bobby Orr, Scott Stevens. Chris Chelios, Shea Weber, Bryan Sutter, or Drew Dougherty.
Carlson’s meal ticket is his offense, which is what he’s known for. While I you are correct that not many Dman would be as effective in going from a trap to join on the rush, if he were to stay back and nog pinch/join in the offense is still he worth 7+m as Dman that will go up against the other teams top scorers every shift?
4 Caps:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Sunday June 24, 2018, 09:06:41 PM Eastern ---I wouldn’t go that far. Yoiu have a point about his spot on the PP but Carslon isn’t Nick Lidstrom, Bobby Orr, Scott Stevens. Chris Chelios, Shea Weber, Bryan Sutter, or Drew Dougherty.
Carlson’s meal ticket is his offense, which is what he’s known for. While I you are correct that not many Dman would be as effective in going from a trap to join on the rush, if he were to stay back and nog pinch/join in the offense is still he worth 7+m as Dman that will go up against the other teams top scorers every shift?
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You are correct that Carlson’s strength is his offense, however, he is not one dimensional. He plays in all situations, in addition to playing on the PP he also kills penalties and plays against the opposition’s top forwards. He leads the team in TOI. No one is saying that he is another Bobby Orr or Nick Lidstrom or Scott Stevens. However, he is one of the best RHD playing the game today and that is why he got the salary he did.
Devise:
--- Quote from: 4 Caps on Sunday June 24, 2018, 09:26:10 PM Eastern ---
You are correct that Carlson’s strength is his offense, however, he is not one dimensional. He plays in all situations, in addition to playing on the PP he also kills penalties and plays against the opposition’s top forwards. He leads the team in TOI. No one is saying that he is another Bobby Orr or Nick Lidstrom or Scott Stevens. However, he is one of the best RHD playing the game today and that is why he got the salary he did.
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That all is fair and good but the counter argument is still, is it too much for us to give up? Was now the time to pass on Carlson? With Carlson, we are going to be reliant on even more kids from the farm in the D squad. If we don't pick up any other help and presuming we sign Kempny, it's Carlson/Kepmny and Orlov/Nisky. That top four D is very solid. But after that? Djoos needs a babysitter, and most of our D corps have yet to really show they could play in the 6th spot. Much less the 7th. And things start to look ugly if one of our top four get injured, because based on what we saw last season our D corps in the farm is far worse than our forward depth.
Players like Gersich and Walker stepped up in the playoffs on forward. Djoos and Jerabek were the only two that saw any time on the bottom pairing, and even then while Djoos finally settled a lot of that had to do with the resurgence of steady play from Brooks Orpik. Whom we are now missing yet.
It's a tough situation to be in. I think at the end of the day some of us can still argue that Carlson is a good player, but one given our team situation that we could of tried to pass on. I mean at what point are we thinking rebuild or retool anyways? Do we ride Ovie out? Kuzy is young as is a few of our other guys, but the moment one of our big name contracts starts underperforming we are in trouble because we have no means to stop gap for any help.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Sunday June 24, 2018, 09:06:41 PM Eastern ---I wouldn’t go that far. Yoiu have a point about his spot on the PP but Carslon isn’t Nick Lidstrom, Bobby Orr, Scott Stevens. Chris Chelios, Shea Weber, Bryan Sutter, or Drew Dougherty.
Carlson’s meal ticket is his offense, which is what he’s known for. While I you are correct that not many Dman would be as effective in going from a trap to join on the rush, if he were to stay back and nog pinch/join in the offense is still he worth 7+m as Dman that will go up against the other teams top scorers every shift?
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I dont compare him to any of those dmen those guys are all top shutdown guys. You make it sound like Carlson is an offense only player. That just isnt the case. He isn't bad defensively. And he us a decent penalty killer. Just because you don't care vfor his game doesnt change that.
Oh you mentioned Bobby Orr with all those shutdown dmen. Not sure if you watched Orr play or not. He was good defensively but he wasnt a shutdown guy. You could have included Larry Robinson and Denis Potvin in that list.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: 4 Caps on Sunday June 24, 2018, 09:26:10 PM Eastern ---
You are correct that Carlson’s strength is his offense, however, he is not one dimensional. He plays in all situations, in addition to playing on the PP he also kills penalties and plays against the opposition’s top forwards. He leads the team in TOI. No one is saying that he is another Bobby Orr or Nick Lidstrom or Scott Stevens. However, he is one of the best RHD playing the game today and that is why he got the salary he did.
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Exactly
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