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Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Friday June 15, 2018, 07:46:06 PM Eastern ---Let me rephrase “End Of The Road”, to “back to buisness as usuall”
The roster was not built to run the system they won the playoffs with. The fact they accepted and executed an opposite style. is a bit of an anomaly. I am concerned that the front office will keep doing what they have been doing, only instead of banking on a chance, thinking they will just do the same 180 each playoff.
So, if they are committed to this style and culture, there are subtle tweaks that can and should be made be made. IE, an Offensive Dman/4th Forward isn’t going to get the totals he would in an offense first skill-system, so 7+ doesn’t make a lot sense. Particularly when that can be split between two players that will subtract from the stats but otherwise excel in this style.
This offseason will require the same 180 of the front office as the players did. I’m not sure they will or can
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I disagree that the Caps roster isn't built for that system. I skill team can play a solid team defensive system. We proved that in the playoffs. I really like the system we used in the playoffs. And I loved the physical play.
We do have a handful of players that aren't ideal for the system. Kuzy is one of them but you can't replace that kind if skill. I think he has the best vision in the NHL. Vrana is another but he is still developing. Burakovsky is a guy that just doesnt seem to fit in.
Our dcore is pretty solid. Yes they have some brainfarts. Niskanen and especially Orlov had some trouble in the defensive zone in the playoffs.
And Carlson is way better defensively than any of you give him credit for. Really who is better on this team in the defensive zone? Niskanen maybe. Orpik when he is killing penalties. No one else.
Kempny was a pleasant surprise. Struggled at first but played well in the playoffs. I'm an Orlov fan. He is a good skater and skilled player. He also plays with a bit of can edge but he still has a lot of brainfarts. Potential is there.
I don't mind Orpiks game. Love the physical play. Only problems with him is the age and salary.
I'm not a big fan of Djoos at all. Sure he is decent moving the puck but he has no strength at all. I know there are other dmen that don't play a physical game but Djoos gets knocked off the puck anytime there is any contact. He is the weakest dman strengthwise I have ever seen.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Saturday June 16, 2018, 11:10:53 AM Eastern --- I disagree that the Caps roster isn't built for that system. I skill team can play a solid team defensive system. We proved that in the playoffs. I really like the system we used in the playoffs. And I loved the physical play.
We do have a handful of players that aren't ideal for the system. Kuzy is one of them but you can't replace that kind if skill. I think he has the best vision in the NHL. Vrana is another but he is still developing. Burakovsky is a guy that just doesnt seem to fit in.
Our dcore is pretty solid. Yes they have some brainfarts. Niskanen and especially Orlov had some trouble in the defensive zone in the playoffs.
And Carlson is way better defensively than any of you give him credit for. Really who is better on this team in the defensive zone? Niskanen maybe. Orpik when he is killing penalties. No one else.
Kempny was a pleasant surprise. Struggled at first but played well in the playoffs. I'm an Orlov fan. He is a good skater and skilled player. He also plays with a bit of can edge but he still has a lot of brainfarts. Potential is there.
I don't mind Orpiks game. Love the physical play. Only problems with him is the age and salary.
I'm not a big fan of Djoos at all. Sure he is decent moving the puck but he has no strength at all. I know there are other dmen that don't play a physical game but Djoos gets knocked off the puck anytime there is any contact. He is the weakest dman strengthwise I have ever seen.
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Iiiiii don’t know about that bro. The Caps have been build with and for offenevse and skill almost exclusively with defense and defensive players relegated to second-class, if not flat out trash
I highly doubt GMBetaMale looked over this roster in Training Canp saying “I’ve built a team that will win a Cup running a trap/d first system
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Saturday June 16, 2018, 02:10:47 PM Eastern ---Iiiiii don’t know about that bro. The Caps have been build with and for offenevse and skill almost exclusively with defense and defensive players relegated to second-class, if not flat
I highly doubt GMBetaMale looked over this roster in Training Canp saying “I’ve built a team that will win. Cup running a trap/d first system
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We have quite few forwards that are pretty decent defensively. Some are even defensive specialists. Here is a list of forwards that are pretty defensively responsible. Backstrom, Oshie, Wilson, Stephenson, DSP, Beagle, Chaisson and Eller. Those guys are all defence first players. That's a pretty high percentage.
And what is wrong with a skill team running a trap. You can still generate offence from the trap. Everyone remembers the Devils trap saying it was boring defensive hockey. I bet no one remembers that the Devils lead the league in scoring one of those seasons.
I still disagree with your assessment of the team. Having a high skill team doesnt mean they can't play well defensively. If the players can buy into the system. If you had your way we would have 4 lines of Beagle clones. We would have alot of heart but would average less than a goal per game.
They win the cup and you are still unsatisfied. In the end the only thing that matters is the Stanley Cup.
Beaglefan2:
Please, please, please let Carlson go and wish him well. Somebody is going to way overpay for him and we can use that money elsewhere. We won the Cup, but that doesn't mean we have to re-sign a long-standing player. We have a lot of money tied up in 5 or 6 players and adding one more will just create long term problems.
I am afraid we will be saying goodbye to Beagle. He has been a relative bargain for years and I think the rest of the league now values him at a higher level than we will go. Well, if so..... he leaves with a Cup!!
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: Beaglefan2 on Saturday June 16, 2018, 05:51:50 PM Eastern ---Please, please, please let Carlson go and wish him well. Somebody is going to way overpay for him and we can use that money elsewhere. We won the Cup, but that doesn't mean we have to re-sign a long-standing player. We have a lot of money tied up in 5 or 6 players and adding one more will just create long term problems.
I am afraid we will be saying goodbye to Beagle. He has been a relative bargain for years and I think the rest of the league now values him at a higher level than we will go. Well, if so..... he leaves with a Cup!!
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It will probably be us that overpays for him. He was a steal on his current contract.
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