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Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 10:16:44 AM Eastern ---Fair enough but you may be in the minority on that one. . .
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You know Schmidt is one of those soft, puck moving defenseman that you usually don't like. I'm surprised you give him so much praise.
I think Schmidt is good but I just don't see him as a shutdown dman. Vegas relies on a team defensive system. You know that as well as anyone.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 04:53:45 PM Eastern ---
Actually, the Caps offense relies as much on Ovie drawing attention as Ovie getting points, but that's neither here nor there.
Because of the salary cap, MOST teams rely heavily on their stars while getting smaller contributions from the balance of their roster. The team with the last two Stanley Cups is certainly exhibit A of that approach.
The point is, our roster is playing well now. That's all there is to it, really. Either that, or ALL the other teams in the playoffs are/were playing worse than we are, which is a disguised way of characterizing our current situation as the best of a bad lot. I don't think the NHL would like that, and I certainly don't agree with it.
The question is, are you going to continue to, at least relatively speaking, badmouth some of the major contributors to this roster, including management, unless/until we actually win the Cup, and maybe even beyond?? To tell the truth, I was hoping that winning the Cup, if it happens, would get you to relent on thinking that large parts of this organization either don't know what they are doing or are too blasé or individually focused to care. It appears that such may not be the case.
There IS one thing I agree with you on - this series is NOT over. The team needs to continue the grind and crank out one more victory, and it won't be easy. Frankly, what might make it easiest is if Vegas comes out all crazed and trying to overcome with sheer speed. They really need to take a step back and look at how they can intelligently counter the brick wall the Caps are throwing at them for the most part. Because they are a first year team and have been built to play one way, maybe it's too late for them to be able to try to do that now.
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Yes to clarify, getting points includes drawing attention and/or decoying.
But on the other hand, to take at face value, that each is player is definitely this good, that GMBetaMale had a masterfully intricate plan on who to get to do specific roles and not just the most popular player and/or the best that we can afford, and that Trotz had the blue prints for his old Nashville system all along (like I said we needed against The Hens all along) and was just waiting for the time to roll it out. Both of which equate one of the all greatest teams in history, is just fantastical drama for entertainment purposes only.
Yes, I think that we caught the three conference teams off-guard and over confident. Which given the history and performance of this team over the past 10 years and this season, for them to be terrified of this tbem, or show then any more than the minimal considerations is unprobable.
But what I did say (not in specific words), is for this group to win the Cup, Holtby would need to be a god, Ovie would need to be at his best, and the would to play a real system, and smarter than they ever have, and an extreme amount of “luck”.[size=78%]All of this seemed highly unlikely, particularly when luck/fortune/help whatever has always been against us[/size]
While this can apply to most teams, the.Caps needed unheard of levels of play from two elite players and unheard of levels of “luck” . . Both of which we got.
Now don’t get me wrong, this is great and all, but it comes down to a team that needed unheard of luck, help, and multiple players performing multiple times over what they have ever done, Lightning in a bottle. and they caught it.
So on the 10th year of a 3yr plan after not getting past the second round. It took lightning in a bottle in a perfect storm after hopes and prayers. . , while teams like the Hawks, Kings, Hens who all had a similar time plan 10yrs ago and now have multiplte Cups as they did it right, but, we didn’t and needed lighting in a bottle during a perfect storm.
So I’m enjoying the Final, but I have nothin to repent for. Fortune, amd luck can work great when “anything can happen”, but it can’t be counted on.
We do agree on Vegas though, but I gotta finish dinner so I’ll save that for another post
newtoCapsparty:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 10:29:24 AM Eastern ---I fear confidence can easily turn into over-cofidence and could become our undoing.
SCF history or not, The Caps still have blown 3-1 series leads before. We have also seen this same team play sloppier and dumber than 12yo-coed rec-league teams this season (and before), so going back to that is possible even if unlikely.
Play safe, play smart, and nothing show off and/or stupid. It really could take just one failed toe drag, missed assignment, bad pass, etc. to loose all the momentum/mojo we have going, and give it off to a pissed off team.
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Good to remember all of your points. I've been trying to temper happiness all day and am covering my ears when hearing about victory parades. The thought occurred to me that Vegas may rally if they even sniff overconfidence among Caps and may gain an edge if they commit to winning on their home ice (i.e., if they have the mindset that losing in DC is one thing, but losing the final game in front of their supportive fans is another). I hope Caps will be ready to shut down the kind of go-all-out play that may come from that kind of thinking. :smirk:
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 07:29:19 PM Eastern ---Yes to clarify, getting points includes drawing attention and/or decoying.
But on the other hand, to take at face value, that each is player is definitely this good, that GMBetaMale had a masterfully intricate plan on who to get to do specific roles and not just the most popular player and/or the best that we can afford, and that Trotz had the blue prints for his old Nashville system all along (like I said we needed against The Hens all along) and was just waiting for the time to roll it out. Both of which equate one of the all greatest teams in history, is just fantastical drama for entertainment purposes only.
Yes, I think that we caught the three conference teams off-guard and over confident. Which given the history and performance of this team over the past 10 years and this season, for them to be terrified of this tbem, or show then any more than the minimal considerations is unprobable.
But what I did say (not in specific words), is for this group to win the Cup, Holtby would need to be a god, Ovie would need to be at his best, and the would to play a real system, and smarter than they ever have, and an extreme amount of “luck”.[size=78%]All of this seemed highly unlikely, particularly when luck/fortune/help whatever has always been against us[/size]
While this can apply to most teams, the.Caps needed unheard of levels of play from two elite players and unheard of levels of “luck” . . Both of which we got.
Now don’t get me wrong, this is great and all, but it comes down to a team that needed unheard of luck, help, and multiple players performing multiple times over what they have ever done, Lightning in a bottle. and they caught it.
So on the 10th year of a 3yr plan after not getting past the second round. It took lightning in a bottle in a perfect storm after hopes and prayers. . , while teams like the Hawks, Kings, Hens who all had a similar time plan 10yrs ago and now have multiplte Cups as they did it right, but, we didn’t and needed lighting in a bottle during a perfect storm.
So I’m enjoying the Final, but I have nothin to repent for.
We do agree on Vegas though, but I gotta finish dinner so I’ll save that for another post
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I agree for sure about the Holtby comment. When Holtby went in his slump and Grubauer got on a bit of a hot streak against some mediocre competition. The regular season wasnt even over and most here wanted us to ride Grubauer through the playoffs. I said at that time that our only chance of going anywhere in the playoffs was to ride Holtby and that has turned out to be true. He has been very steady for the most part and at times has been spectacular. He likely won't win the con Smythe but he is as deserving as anyone.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 12:06:41 PM Eastern ---Well last night Lady and I looked this up:
But, yes we are out working them and out hitting them, I have said this best hockey they've ever played . . . However, I doubt that would last if the proverbial and literal gloves came off. They simply have better fighters the are more violent than we do.
For the other point, yes, Vegas was pentaly selling, and it sucks. But I don't believe they are The Hens that will even dive in an exhibition game, but see they are down and trying to get the game stoped, get an extra time out, and go on the powerplay for an opportunity to get back in the game. While a desperate and sad bitch tactic, I haven't seen them do this any significant extent, (every team unfortunately does it)prior to this series and given the fact The Caps are not the 70s Flyers or are they know for their vicious hitting or causing injuries, its pretty safe to say its a desperate tactic as opposed the natural effeminate spinelessness of The Hens.
As I said last night, that game and this series is an example of one team playing their worst ever, and one team playing their best ever, which we've been on the end opposite end far to much.
I am just not convinced that this permanent, "the real Caps", the first year of a dynasty, best team ever etc.. There is just to many examples and instances of this team going from excellent to terrible far to easily. Which is why I am highly cautious and conservative of the rising emotional high that is coming from this playoff.
The fans and the organization as a whole can not get to high on being on the brink of a Cup, particularly with this teams and fanbases history of doing so and the upsets that follow.
This is probably my "coachs son" and former athlete side, but its not the time to party, engrave the Cup and plan a parade yet. Its a time to be cold, calculating, minimal if not utterly emotionless, and objective about achieving victory the potential weakness that may be exploited by either team.
Then we have a month or so to get drunk before going back to work for rookie camp :devil:
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I watched that fight on YouTube a few days ago. There is no doubt that Reaves is a tough guy but he isn't much of a hockey player. Wilson is pretty tough himself and is 10 times the player Reaves will ever be.
I don't hate Reaves but I lost a lot of respect for him when he was battling with Orpik behind our net and he got hit with his own stick and was whining for a penalty. Come on Reaves, you are supposed to be a tough physical player. Not a diving and whining diva.
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