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DC_1908:
--- Quote from: alta on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 02:05:48 PM Eastern ---
hey, it's after 5:00 somewhere :wackysmile:
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AM or PM?
. . . lets be honest, AM or PM doesn't matter. . . .gettin drunk before the sun comes up in morning rules!
Devise:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 02:22:15 PM Eastern ---AM or PM?
. . . lets be honest, AM or PM doesn't matter. . . .drunk in morning rules!
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Yeah sometimes it's fun if the UFC has fights on in another country early in the morning to get up at 8 am and crack a cold beer instead of a coffee and just dig into a long drunken day off haha. I imagine if the Caps win I'll have a few, but who am I kidding with the run they've had I'll probably be drinking regardless after the investment from all this.
But I hear you regarding us playing to the best and them playing to the worst. Obviously on that scale, we don't want to overlook our boys or presume dynasty. I was more meaning that a lot of the "heart" and "club kettler" terms are pretty much erased for some of our core. And I think it's a been a big off-season for some of BMGM's key acquisitions. We all agree Shattenkirk didn't pan out, and I was worried like you that following that blunder he'd be too worried about making a big splash to make up for that.
However if you look at some of our grittiest players and key playoff performers, a high majority of them are not gambles but instead sound underrated signings/heart and soul pieces made to bolster our roster intentionally for these playoffs. BMGM at least acknowledged we had mental pysche problems and the players he brought in are players that have helped change that narrative. Specifically looking at his two big FA signings, Nisky/Orpik both had more history of winning than our club and have been clutch in this deep run. Oshie was a gamer and he got him signed long term and he's absolutely a factor for us in these playoffs. Eller same thing, another underrated signing that is a playoff type player that we knew we needed more of. Kempny was a slick acquisition that is probably doing better than even he thought, but again he was focused more on the mentality and toughness of these players than just how good they were. That is what he was trying to acquire, and in hindsight some of that has paid off and I think BMGM and scouts should get credit for looking for players who could actually help us get through some of our problems.
That was the thing, we didn't need players to "carry" the Caps in the playoffs, we needed players who could help show and mature our core into melding as a team in the post-season. Beating Pitt finally removed the anvil mentally on the core players we hadn't that didn't believe or maybe weren't as keen to pull on that team rope as before because they had assumed that they needed more pieces etc. It just seems to me now that our "playoff gamers" have the impact and freedom to assert their will every game, while our non assumed gamers and core no longer need to be carried. They have find roles and ways to help whether it be scoring etc.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Devise on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 02:34:55 PM Eastern ---
Yeah sometimes it's fun if the UFC has fights on in another country early in the morning to get up at 8 am and crack a cold beer instead of a coffee and just dig into a long drunken day off haha. I imagine if the Caps win I'll have a few, but who am I kidding with the run they've had I'll probably be drinking regardless after the investment from all this.
But I hear you regarding us playing to the best and them playing to the worst. Obviously on that scale, we don't want to overlook our boys or presume dynasty. I was more meaning that a lot of the "heart" and "club kettler" terms are pretty much erased for some of our core. And I think it's a been a big off-season for some of BMGM's key acquisitions. We all agree Shattenkirk didn't pan out, and I was worried like you that following that blunder he'd be too worried about making a big splash to make up for that.
However if you look at some of our grittiest players and key playoff performers, a high majority of them are not gambles but instead sound underrated signings/heart and soul pieces made to bolster our roster intentionally for these playoffs. BMGM at least acknowledged we had mental pysche problems and the players he brought in are players that have helped change that narrative. Specifically looking at his two big FA signings, Nisky/Orpik both had more history of winning than our club and have been clutch in this deep run. Oshie was a gamer and he got him signed long term and he's absolutely a factor for us in these playoffs. Eller same thing, another underrated signing that is a playoff type player that we knew we needed more of. Kempny was a slick acquisition that is probably doing better than even he thought, but again he was focused more on the mentality and toughness of these players than just how good they were. That is what he was trying to acquire, and in hindsight some of that has paid off and I think BMGM and scouts should get credit for looking for players who could actually help us get through some of our problems.
That was the thing, we didn't need players to "carry" the Caps in the playoffs, we needed players who could help show and mature our core into melding as a team in the post-season. Beating Pitt finally removed the anvil mentally on the core players we hadn't that didn't believe or maybe weren't as keen to pull on that team rope as before because they had assumed that they needed more pieces etc. It just seems to me now that our "playoff gamers" have the impact and freedom to assert their will every game, while our non assumed gamers and core no longer need to be carried. They have find roles and ways to help whether it be scoring etc.
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Oh I agree, and DSP, Kempy and the others have been great. . . But its not the first time we've brought in or signed players of that type and who that have had major impacts, or have massive playoff resumes in. . who performed, but the others didnt. . . Williams is about the ultimate playoff performer, Hendricks played his ass off as much as anyone, Winnick was solid, Arrnott had the resume . So the new acquisitions are panning out in the last six games and for 9 or so before then.
Its the same formula the Caps have always used. But the formula the Caps use relies heavily on the "stars" while delegating other players to smaller "roles" with icetime and situations distributed accordingly.
So while what youre saying is correct, this structure simply relies heavily on Ovie getting points, Nick doing everything, and Holtby filling up highlight reels with saves . . .like they are doing now.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 03:06:58 PM Eastern ---Oh I agree, and DSP, Kempy and the others have been great. . . But its not the first time we've brought in or signed players of that type and who that have had major impacts, or have massive playoff resumes in. . who performed, but the others didnt. . . Williams is about the ultimate playoff performer, Hendricks played his ass off as much as anyone, Winnick was solid, Arrnott had the resume . So the new acquisitions are panning out in the last six games and for 9 or so before then.
Its the same formula the Caps have always used. But the formula the Caps use relies heavily on the "stars" while delegating other players to smaller "roles" with icetime and situations distributed accordingly.
So while what youre saying is correct, this structure simply relies heavily on Ovie getting points, Nick doing everything, and Holtby filling up highlight reels with saves . . .like they are doing now.
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Actually, the Caps offense relies as much on Ovie drawing attention as Ovie getting points, but that's neither here nor there.
Because of the salary cap, MOST teams rely heavily on their stars while getting smaller contributions from the balance of their roster. The team with the last two Stanley Cups is certainly exhibit A of that approach.
The point is, our roster is playing well now. That's all there is to it, really. Either that, or ALL the other teams in the playoffs are/were playing worse than we are, which is a disguised way of characterizing our current situation as the best of a bad lot. I don't think the NHL would like that, and I certainly don't agree with it.
The question is, are you going to continue to, at least relatively speaking, badmouth some of the major contributors to this roster, including management, unless/until we actually win the Cup, and maybe even beyond?? To tell the truth, I was hoping that winning the Cup, if it happens, would get you to relent on thinking that large parts of this organization either don't know what they are doing or are too blasé or individually focused to care. It appears that such may not be the case.
There IS one thing I agree with you on - this series is NOT over. The team needs to continue the grind and crank out one more victory, and it won't be easy. Frankly, what might make it easiest is if Vegas comes out all crazed and trying to overcome with sheer speed. They really need to take a step back and look at how they can intelligently counter the brick wall the Caps are throwing at them for the most part. Because they are a first year team and have been built to play one way, maybe it's too late for them to be able to try to do that now.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: blee088 on Tuesday June 05, 2018, 09:48:45 AM Eastern ---i kept thinking about how backstrom is invisible and it kind of makes me sad. he used to be the guy. I'm not sure what he does
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Backstrom has 22 points in 19 games and he is usually responsible for shutting down the other teams top line. Nothing wrong with Backstroms game.
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