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GDT R2G1 Penguins @ Capitals 2018-04-26 7:00pm EST NBCSN, CBC
KitFisto:
--- Quote from: ArJunaZ on Friday April 27, 2018, 11:04:45 AM Eastern ---I agree. I said from the beginning it was unfair. They had twice the pool to choose from than the last expansion draft in 2000 from which the Columbus Blue Jackets and the Minnesota Wild had to draw from. This means they had four times the opportunity of the last expansion teams.
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Exactly, even McPhee couldn't screw it up.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Friday April 27, 2018, 11:06:49 AM Eastern ---
Exactly, even McPhee couldn't screw it up.
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I actuallh think a lot of them would, GMBetaMale for example
This system was designed to make Vegas immediately competitive, but there’s no way in hell the NHL wanted what happened. The NHL loves “stars” and marketing them, which is one reason why teams protected “stars”, while hoping better players, and/or higher value players went unprotected.
It was well within the ability of the other GMs to salary dump, rebuild their team, while leaving high dollar dollar contracts that would create a disfunctional disaster for a team, but they got outmanuvered and played.
waynerivers:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Friday April 27, 2018, 11:06:49 AM Eastern ---
Exactly, even McPhee couldn't screw it up.
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Of course when teams like Washington give away a guy like Schmidt for nothing it makes it easier but it doesn't make it easy. Let's look at some of these "stars" Vegas got for nothing:
William Karlsson 43-35-78 in 82 games - Prior to that 18-32-50 in 183 games (0.27 ppg)
Jonathan Marchessault 23-48-75 in 77 games - Prior to that 38-32-70 in 124 games (0.56 ppg)
David Perron 15-50-66 in 70 games - Prior to that 155-219-374 in 652 games (0.57 ppg)
Reilly Smith 22-38-60 in 67 games- Prior to that 76-111-187 in 365 games (0.51 ppg)
Eric Haula 29-26-55 in 76 games- Prior to that 42-47-89 in 266 games (0.33 ppg)
James Neal 25-19-44 in 71 games- Prior to that 238-451-689 in 632 games (1.09 ppg)
Alex Tuch 15-22-37 in 82 games- Prior to that 0 points in 6 games
Cody Eakin 11-16-27 in 82 games- Prior to that 69-85-154 in 383 games (0.40 ppg)
So, every one of these guys with the exception of Neal and Eakin outperformed their career stats, sometimes by wide margins. Eakin was slightly under and Neal, who was arguably the easiest pick to make among the forwards, grossly underperformed his career stats. Who would predict that?
Looking at the defense, we see:
Colin Miller
Nate Schmidt
Shea Theodore
Deryk Engelland
Brad Hunt
Brayden McNabb
Now, tell me that anyone on the planet outside Vegas saw that as a division winning, cup contending defense. Nobody did. As for Fleury, yes, he had a solid track record and has played very well. So, all in all, Vegas has done a masterful job in seeing something in these guys and molding all the parts together into a top team. Excellent coaching also helps immensely. Any idea that this was easy or just "picking stars" out of a hat, is completely wrong.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: ArJunaZ on Friday April 27, 2018, 11:04:45 AM Eastern ---I agree. I said from the beginning it was unfair. They had twice the pool to choose from than the last expansion draft in 2000 from which the Columbus Blue Jackets and the Minnesota Wild had to draw from. This means they had four times the opportunity of the last expansion teams.
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You guys should look back to the Caps roster when they were an expansion franchise. It wasn't pretty.
KitFisto:
--- Quote from: waynerivers on Friday April 27, 2018, 01:58:12 PM Eastern ---
Of course when teams like Washington give away a guy like Schmidt for nothing it makes it easier but it doesn't make it easy. Let's look at some of these "stars" Vegas got for nothing:
William Karlsson 43-35-78 in 82 games - Prior to that 18-32-50 in 183 games (0.27 ppg)
Jonathan Marchessault 23-48-75 in 77 games - Prior to that 38-32-70 in 124 games (0.56 ppg)
David Perron 15-50-66 in 70 games - Prior to that 155-219-374 in 652 games (0.57 ppg)
Reilly Smith 22-38-60 in 67 games- Prior to that 76-111-187 in 365 games (0.51 ppg)
Eric Haula 29-26-55 in 76 games- Prior to that 42-47-89 in 266 games (0.33 ppg)
James Neal 25-19-44 in 71 games- Prior to that 238-451-689 in 632 games (1.09 ppg)
Alex Tuch 15-22-37 in 82 games- Prior to that 0 points in 6 games
Cody Eakin 11-16-27 in 82 games- Prior to that 69-85-154 in 383 games (0.40 ppg)
So, every one of these guys with the exception of Neal and Eakin outperformed their career stats, sometimes by wide margins. Eakin was slightly under and Neal, who was arguably the easiest pick to make among the forwards, grossly underperformed his career stats. Who would predict that?
Looking at the defense, we see:
Colin Miller
Nate Schmidt
Shea Theodore
Deryk Engelland
Brad Hunt
Brayden McNabb
Now, tell me that anyone on the planet outside Vegas saw that as a division winning, cup contending defense. Nobody did. As for Fleury, yes, he had a solid track record and has played very well. So, all in all, Vegas has done a masterful job in seeing something in these guys and molding all the parts together into a top team. Excellent coaching also helps immensely. Any idea that this was easy or just "picking stars" out of a hat, is completely wrong.
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The flip side of that argument is that some of these players just needed the opportunity to be in a more prominent role to break out or others needed new scenery. No, one thought they'd be THIS good, but the writing was on the wall that they'd certainly be a competitive team unlike any other expansion team ever has been.
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