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If the Caps ultimately lose this series
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Friday April 13, 2018, 08:38:43 AM Eastern ---
They don't have a "build around" franchise player right now other than an aging Ovechkin. I wouldn't move Kuzy because he's a talented center who puts up points. I wouldn't shuffle off Vrana either just yet. There are some younger pieces here that you keep and then get as many picks as you can looking for the next REAL LEADER this team needs. Ovechkin has never been a great captain IMO.
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OR you trade for, or acquire through UFA, the next REAL LEADER. The problem is, the type of REAL LEADER I think you are talking about isn't going to want to come here if the organization is committed to a full rebuild, because a full rebuild in this day and age means losing on purpose (not throwing games, but making your team deliberately bad enough that you lose well over half your games.) I think the player that would be designated as the REAL LEADER is one who is already here and will set a good example regardless of the team circumstances. Could Oshie be that type of player? Wilson? How top-notch does a player have to be in addition to setting a good example of "playing the right way" in order to qualify as a REAL LEADER?
KitFisto:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Friday April 13, 2018, 11:35:12 AM Eastern ---
OR you trade for, or acquire through UFA, the next REAL LEADER. The problem is, the type of REAL LEADER I think you are talking about isn't going to want to come here if the organization is committed to a full rebuild, because a full rebuild in this day and age means losing on purpose (not throwing games, but making your team deliberately bad enough that you lose well over half your games.) I think the player that would be designated as the REAL LEADER is one who is already here and will set a good example regardless of the team circumstances. Could Oshie be that type of player? Wilson? How top-notch does a player have to be in addition to setting a good example of "playing the right way" in order to qualify as a REAL LEADER?
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I don't mean a real leader has to be a super star. Hunter was a good captain and he wasn't a super star. Wilson? Maybe he can blossom into the role if the current "leadership" goes. I don't see Oshie in the roll personally, but he's probably a decent "A" to the "C".
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Friday April 13, 2018, 11:35:12 AM Eastern ---
OR you trade for, or acquire through UFA, the next REAL LEADER. The problem is, the type of REAL LEADER I think you are talking about isn't going to want to come here if the organization is committed to a full rebuild, because a full rebuild in this day and age means losing on purpose (not throwing games, but making your team deliberately bad enough that you lose well over half your games.) I think the player that would be designated as the REAL LEADER is one who is already here and will set a good example regardless of the team circumstances. Could Oshie be that type of player? Wilson? How top-notch does a player have to be in addition to setting a good example of "playing the right way" in order to qualify as a REAL LEADER?
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We did: Fedorov. The biggest screw up was not keeping him around to teach Ovie to lead, and to continue to kick ass Semins and keep the others in line and training them to follow Ovie.
We tried later with Arnott, Richards, and another "Captain" with Shattenkrap, but none could lead this group.
The overlying issue is that Ted, Dickless, GMBetaMale, and Monumental Entertainment, like and want stars. They want the names, the records, the all-stars, the stats, the records, so those are the players they surround Ovie with.
So until that goes changes, the ice/locker room leadership isnt gonna make much of a difference at this point
Pucktothehead:
If the Caps lose this series then yes, fire the staff and trade anyone over 30. Orpik can be released. Start next season with Kuzy and Willie as the leaders.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: Pucktothehead on Friday April 13, 2018, 03:43:08 PM Eastern ---If the Caps lose this series then yes, fire the staff and trade anyone over 30. Orpik can be released. Start next season with Kuzy and Willie as the leaders.
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I think if Trotz goes, Rierdon will get the call. Supposedly, 3 teams called the Caps about interviewing him for a head coaching job last offseason and the Caps refused to let anyone talk to him (their right because he was under contract, but teams often look the other way if a coach has a chance for a promotion.) That seems to be a pretty clear signal that they wanted to have him available if they decided not to extend/resign Trotz.
As for Orpik, if the Caps truly would jettison Ovie and Backstrom they'd probably have plenty of cap room for the time being to buy out Orpik and manage the couple of million he'd count against the salary cap for the next two years. If they released him, I believe they'd have to pay his full salary next year AND it would all count against the cap. But folks' point is well taken here. If the Caps truly want a reboot they HAVE to move Ovechkin and Backstrom, because if they don't, I'm sure they have given Ovie their word that they will do their best to surround him with a playoff-calibre team every year. That prevents an except-for-Ovie reboot.
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