Talk about Capitals hockey & more! > Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion
If the Caps ultimately lose this series
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Friday April 13, 2018, 04:47:45 PM Eastern ---
I think if Trotz goes, Rierdon will get the call. Supposedly, 3 teams called the Caps about interviewing him for a head coaching job last offseason and the Caps refused to let anyone talk to him (their right because he was under contract, but teams often look the other way if a coach has a chance for a promotion.) That seems to be a pretty clear signal that they wanted to have him available if they decided not to extend/resign Trotz.
As for Orpik, if the Caps truly would jettison Ovie and Backstrom they'd probably have plenty of cap room for the time being to buy out Orpik and manage the couple of million he'd count against the salary cap for the next two years. If they released him, I believe they'd have to pay his full salary next year AND it would all count against the cap. But folks' point is well taken here. If the Caps truly want a reboot they HAVE to move Ovechkin and Backstrom, because if they don't, I'm sure they have given Ovie their word that they will do their best to surround him with a playoff-calibre team every year. That prevents an except-for-Ovie reboot.
--- End quote ---
Actually, dumping Kuzy. Bura, Oshie, Carlson and Orlov along with Connolly, Eller, Vrana, and almost anyone else not named Wilson and Beagle.
The screwed up thing is Ovie and Nick NEED to stay, even if it’s for names or being decoys. . . Let those two do their thing, and restock everyone else not named, or that doesn’t play like, Beagle and Wilson and give them flights to non playoff teams or the KHL.
We need masculine muscle, work ethic and aggression, not the figure skating/video game crap Monumental Entertainment uses as the cyanide in The Rock The Red Kool Aide
Maacoshark:
I still don't agree with you on Beagle. I love his work ethic but he hasn't had a very good season. If he wasnt a dominant faceoff man he might not even be in the NHL. Its hard to even say he is a 200 foot player because spends almost all of his time in the defensive zone.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Friday April 13, 2018, 07:35:07 PM Eastern --- I still don't agree with you on Beagle. I love his work ethic but he hasn't had a very good season. If he wasnt a dominant faceoff man he might not even be in the NHL. Its hard to even say he is a 200 foot player because spends almost all of his time in the defensive zone.
--- End quote ---
I doubt many players in NHL can shoulder the sheer neglect of defense from 2 or 3 other centers and 6-7 D like Beagle does,
He is from the mold of Kris Draper and John Madden, a real man,. . . but neither of them had to deal with worthless trash centers that Beagle does. . . so he would be even better if he wasn't held back by Dickless and BetaMale
But on the Caps. Eurotrash like Suzy and Helen Keller are preferred, so he's expected to clean up for that garbage and then saying "he doesn't score 100 points so he's a worthless ECHL wanna be" bullshit . . . sorry if the garbage "in front of him" werent in the KHL were they belong, we'd of assuredly had cups by now,
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Friday April 13, 2018, 07:01:01 PM Eastern ---Actually, dumping Kuzy. Bura, Oshie, Carlson and Orlov along with Connolly, Eller, Vrana, and almost anyone else not named Wilson and Beagle.
The screwed up thing is Ovie and Nick NEED to stay, even if it’s for names or being decoys. . . Let those two do their thing, and restock everyone else not named, or that doesn’t play like, Beagle and Wilson and give them flights to non playoff teams or the KHL.
We need masculine muscle, work ethic and aggression, not the figure skating/video game crap Monumental Entertainment uses as the cyanide in The Rock The Red Kool Aide
--- End quote ---
DC, the organization can't and won't do that. Leonsis promised Ovie he would build a team around him to go after a Stanley Cup. Now I'm not sure exactly what you think about that, but it would seem to have to be one of two things with regard to management.
(1) [size=78%]You may think that they have not made a good-faith effort to do that, instead purposefully going for glitz that they know draws fans and can get some regular-season success, but doesn't pay off in the end. But what you think doesn't matter. In the end, what matters is what Alex Ovechkin thinks. If Ovie thought that his own management was sabotaging his career that way, don't you think he would have forced management to move him by now? [/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]OR [/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%](2) You may think that management HAS made a good-faith effort to do that, but is too stupid to see what you obviously know, being all-wise, is the ONLY way to build a team to win the Stanley Cup. But then the same question arises as is the case for option 1: If Ovie thought this organization was too clueless to build a worthy team around him, wouldn't he have wanted out by now?[/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]There is only one other alternative that I can see to the logic of what I have stated thus far. And that is that Alex Ovechkin is too apathetic about success (option 1) or too ignorant himself of what makes a championship hockey team (option 2), that he has faithfully bound himself to this organization despite its obvious (to you at least) failings. Either way, Ovechkin would seem to be a big part of the problem rather than a big part of the solution. And so the entire Ovechkin era has not only been a failure, but it has been a failure that never had a realistic chance to succeed, even given the obvious talents that Ovechkin has brought to the table. In that case the organization hasn't wasted the Ovechkin career. The organization AND Alex Ovechkin has basically been a pointless exercise over the past 13 years.[/size]
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Friday April 13, 2018, 09:25:55 PM Eastern ---I doubt many players in NHL can shoulder the sheer neglect of defense from 2 or 3 other centers and 6-7 D like Beagle does,
He is from the mold of Kris Draper and John Madden, a real man,. . . but neither of them had to deal with worthless trash centers that Beagle does. . . so he would be even better if he wasn't held back by Dickless and BetaMale
I'm not saying I don't like that style of player because I do like those kind of players. I like Beagle too. I just wish he had a bit more upside in the offensive zone. I'm a firm believer in players playing both ways which is why I am hard on one dimensional players like Burakovsky and Vrana. Beagle is kind of one dimensional himself in a different way. But I definitely prefer him over a lot of other guys. I'm not a fan of Burakovsky, Vrana or Eller. Not really a fan of Connolly either. I do like Kuzy even though he has plenty of faults. I will give him a pass because his skills are unreplacable. Someone has to generate offense. I also have no problem with Carlson or Orlov but we could sure use a couple shutdown dmen in our core.
--- End quote ---
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version