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Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« on: Tuesday March 05, 2024, 06:28:39 PM Eastern »
1 gone! Hope we got something good for him!


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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday March 05, 2024, 06:58:48 PM Eastern »
Fart noise. (and we retain half his salary)


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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday March 05, 2024, 07:33:55 PM Eastern »
For a 2nd in ‘24 and 4th round pick in ‘26, plus %50 salary retention. Did the golden knights at least use some lube on Caps management.

 >:( :wtf:


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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday March 05, 2024, 08:27:17 PM Eastern »
For a 2nd in ‘24 and 4th round pick in ‘26, plus %50 salary retention. Did the golden knights at least use some lube on Caps management.

 >:( :wtf:




Because of the LTIR exemptions, the Caps don't have any issues with salary.  But Vegas probably does, which is why the Caps have to retain salary.


I think people have unrealistic expectations of what you can get for a rental.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 07:18:53 AM Eastern »
Looks to me like Vegas got the better of this deal.  We will see what the market turns out to be for rentals, but we got a 2nd that will probably be in the last 4 picks of the second round, and then a 4th that has a very low chance of producing anything. I was hoping for more, especially in a scenario where we retained a significant amount of salary.


Mantha was a dog for us, for most of his contract, but he is actually playing great right now and could make a big impact in the playoffs. I am pretty disappointed in this deal.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 09:01:54 AM Eastern »
The more I think about it, the more it ticks me off. BMac basically owes his job to McPhee and already paid him back by giving him Chandler Stephenson - now he gives him Mantha for a less than great return - and he did it early in the trade week.  We will see how this looks after other trades are done.  If anything, he should have had the 2nd round pick be in 2025 or 2026.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 09:03:39 AM Eastern »
Yea I saw on thread from NHL on the trade. Consensus is we got hosed. But we rarely get the better end of anything. I think the Oshie trade was about the only thing that panned out and we still fucked it up in the end. lol

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 09:21:32 AM Eastern »
I looked back to the trade for Mantha with Detroit. We gave up Vrana (who turned out to be a bust for Detroit), Richard Panik and a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder.  The first round pick ended up with St. Louis who has been a stud.  Mantha of course was one of the most frustrating guys to watch play - a ton of talent with no desire or effort - then he gets in a contract year and suddenly plays well.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 01:56:18 PM Eastern »
Meh - not the best trade but we'd have given him away this summer for a bag of pucks if someone would've taken him.  Plus, Ottawa just traded Tarasenko to Florida for a 3rd and 4th and retained 1/2 the salary, like the Caps did with AM.  Maybe "the market" isn't as great as we expect, at least not this early in the trade season.  Maybe the returns will bet better as the trade deadline gets closer. 

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 02:09:39 PM Eastern »
Meh - not the best trade but we'd have given him away this summer for a bag of pucks if someone would've taken him.  Plus, Ottawa just traded Tarasenko to Florida for a 3rd and 4th and retained 1/2 the salary, like the Caps did with AM.  Maybe "the market" isn't as great as we expect, at least not this early in the trade season.  Maybe the returns will bet better as the trade deadline gets closer.

this ^  I think it is a good deal for us now 23 picks in the next 3 drafts to play with.   Now, work out a Hanfin deal!!
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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday March 06, 2024, 03:53:35 PM Eastern »
Very surprised by the poor return on the Tarasenko trade, so maybe the Mantha deal wasn't too bad.  I bet Jensen is next, now that they resigned Sandin - or Edmundson who I think is certain to get traded.  I was hoping for a second round pick for him, but now maybe we are lucky to get a third.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #11 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 08:50:21 AM Eastern »
There are two parts to the trade deadline movements:  what the sellers get from the buyers; and, what happens to the sellers in the standings after they make whatever moves they are going to make.


Right now the Caps are in a tight group of 9 teams that look to be just below playoff level, unless somebody in this group gets extremely hot extremely soon.  They are all between 63 and 68 standings points, and are all closer to each other than they are to the playoff teams above them, or the 7 worst teams below them.  As part of this cluster, the Caps could finish anywhere between 8th from the bottom and 16th from the bottom - i.e., the "best" non-playoff team.  So it seems that unless the lottery gods shine on them, they will be picking no higher, and probably lower, in the upcoming draft than they did last year. 


This really feels as if the Caps are getting stuck in the beginnings of a cycle of mediocrity.  They have already left the Ovechkin era, in that Ovie is just another player at this point so he doesn't define the team's fortunes as he did previously.  So even into a transition era, the Caps aren't bad enough to really be in the running for the next wave of very best players who will help to define the upcoming hockey generation.  They'll be stuck with a bunch of "guys."

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #12 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 12:05:57 PM Eastern »
I dont think the Mantha trade was awful.  Anything we got for him was a bonus....he was gone for nothing end of season.  Retaining 50% of his salary for 1/4 of the year is peanuts.
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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #13 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 12:27:10 PM Eastern »
Welp....Edmunson is gone....to Toronto for a 3rd round and a 5th round.  Thats not much.
Retaining half his salary is again....peanuts.  1/2 of about 25% of the year of 1.5



https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-2024-third-round-pick-and-2025-fifth-round-pick-from-toronto-for-joel-edmundson
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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #14 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 12:43:54 PM Eastern »
3rd and 5th for Edmondson aint bad. Lots of picks we're acquiring, but none where we need them (top 10). Guess we just need to pray we hit on a diamond in the rough nobody saw coming. Very very hard to do, but I guess anything is possible. Cause like Ice said, we're in an endless loop of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #15 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 01:10:04 PM Eastern »
Caps have two UFAs left, Pacs and Aubé-Kubel. Hopefully a few guys from Hershey are ready to step up because these low round picks are near useless.
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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #16 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 02:10:18 PM Eastern »
Hey - a year ago they traded a 3rd and a 7th for Edmundson and this year they got back a third and a 5th - so they came out ahead! Wahoo, if we keep moving up from 7th round picks to 5th round picks, we will be back in the Finals in no time!


The big question is who is next - Dowd?  They have held him out of games and he has probably been healthy.  He could actually bring us a decent return.  Maybe a goalie?  Lindgren would bring a decent return as well and since the have a couple young goalies ready to come up, that might make sense.  It would be great to trade Keumper and keep Charlie, but nobody is taking the Keumper contract.



Watch and see what the Pens do.  They will get a crazy haul for Guentzel - a 1st, a 2nd and a player, and then they will resign him in the summer.

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #17 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 03:37:58 PM Eastern »
Hmmmm - Darcy is "sick" and not skating today.....

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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #18 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 04:04:26 PM Eastern »
Hmmmm - Darcy is "sick" and not skating today.....

This is a real sickness I think..
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Re: Trade deadline 2024: March 8
« Reply #19 on: Thursday March 07, 2024, 04:08:52 PM Eastern »
3rd and 5th for Edmondson aint bad. Lots of picks we're acquiring, but none where we need them (top 10). Guess we just need to pray we hit on a diamond in the rough nobody saw coming. Very very hard to do, but I guess anything is possible. Cause like Ice said, we're in an endless loop of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

It looks like we will use all those pics on trades in the offseason maybe.  GMBM makes very 'safe' moves.  He does what he says and is predictable.  Will that get a young team over the top?
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