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Backy taking leave of absence
« on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 11:16:26 AM Eastern »
Sad day for Caps fans, but happy he is prioritizing his long term health.


https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2023/11/01/nicklas-backstrom-to-take-leave-of-absence-due-to-injury/

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 11:25:15 AM Eastern »
My first guess is the hip didn’t heal as he expected.
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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 12:34:02 PM Eastern »
 :'( 


Keep him on LTIR until the playoffs, if we make the playoffs. If he's feeling it, he can join them! We get to spend the 9.2m and he can rest until his contract expires!

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 01:16:26 PM Eastern »
Holy cow.  Didn't see that coming.  Sucks for Backy, but sadly I think it is time.
So....what does that mean for salary cap....does he get moved to LTIR/IR for cap purposes?
Very little info out there.  I think this team could surely use $9m

Really sucks though.  Rather see Backy go out with another Cup and retire legit.  He's one of the good guys I think

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 01:59:06 PM Eastern »
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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 02:12:16 PM Eastern »
I think this signifies the beginning of the end of an era.


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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 02:22:45 PM Eastern »

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 03:00:29 PM Eastern »
My first guess is the hip didn’t heal as he expected.




"as he hoped" would probably be a  more accurate description.  The track record for the type of deterioration he had and the type of fix he attempted is very bad.  He was/is not remotely the same player upon his return, and I'm almost positive that we have seen him play his last  game in the NHL.  A  shame, but the end comes for every player, and circumstances beyond their control dictate the end for so many. 


Tonight's forward lineup features 5 guys who were in the minors last season.  At least McMichael perhaps gets an extended shot at C, which IS his natural position. 

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 03:36:02 PM Eastern »
Backy got his Cup and I'll never forget when he and Ovi hugged in celebration on the ice. 


The question now is will Caps management and ownership eat the $9 million this year AND next year.  Nicky won't be walking away from it and ownership has not been overly aggressive in the past when it comes to buying guys out.  I bet they just slide with minor leaguers and then Patch comes in.

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 03:48:57 PM Eastern »
Backy got his Cup and I'll never forget when he and Ovi hugged in celebration on the ice. 


The question now is will Caps management and ownership eat the $9 million this year AND next year.  Nicky won't be walking away from it and ownership has not been overly aggressive in the past when it comes to buying guys out.  I bet they just slide with minor leaguers and then Patch comes in.

I don't know how LTIR works - but don't they get some cap relief [aka Tampa with Kuch a couple of years ago] if he goes on LTIR?

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 06:50:33 PM Eastern »
I think the question is, does Leonsis let them spend the money. No way the team would be forced to lose the player -and- not have the cap space come available. Well, it's the NHL so who knows, but at least that's how I think it works.

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 10:18:06 PM Eastern »
I think the question is, does Leonsis let them spend the money. No way the team would be forced to lose the player -and- not have the cap space come available. Well, it's the NHL so who knows, but at least that's how I think it works.




Here are the salary cap implications of Backstrom's situation as I understand them.


Once Backstrom goes on LTIR, as I assume he  will soon, his $9.2 million cap hit becomes an exemption amount that the Caps can spend over the salary cap, with Backstrom's $9.2 million counted toward total salary obligations.


I think that people here are right.  Backstrom isn't going to retire because of all that money, and the Caps' organizational statement  that they support Backstrom in  this soul-searching departure means that they are fully supportive of paying him, probably thinking of it as a thank-you payment for honorable service.


Backstrom signed his current contract at age 33; i.e.,  before age 35.  That means that IF he were  to retire now, his contract AAV would be  wiped off the books for salary cap purposes.   The rule is that if a player signs a contract  at age 35+ and then retires, that AAV counts towards the team's salary cap for the duration of the period covered by the contract.


So whether Backstrom retires or he doesn't, the Caps  get  $9.2 million of cap relief from his absence unless  he were to return to the active roster.  IF that were to happen at some point, then the Caps would have to return to compliance with the salary cap with Backstrom's cap hit included.


As a tiny answer to Mick's question, IF there is even a shred of a chance that Backstrom returns to duty, the Caps COULDN'T spend his salary cap exemption money willy-nilly right now, because players they would acquire using the exemption would have to be jettisoned, or something else  major would  have to  happen, in order  to get back down to the salary cap upon Backstrom's return.  However, let's say that the Caps don't spend very much of Backstrom's exemption now or for the next few months.  All they do is juggling with relatively inexpensive Hershey callus that can be sent down.  Now let's say the trading deadline approaches, Backstrom is still out and is nowhere  near returning, which means he wouldn't return until the playoffs --  if ever. The Caps could then load up on players at the deadline if they were in the playoff hunt or something, with salaries up to the $9.2 million exemption amount. 


I suspect the real outcome of this situation is that Backstrom will never return and the Caps have that $9.2 million to play with for the next two seasons.  It will be like the Tampa Bay situation, and there is nothing to fault  the Caps for ethically, because Backstrom made a good-faith effort  to return to play, and actually did play some games and a few  this  year, until he just couldn't deal with his condition any more. This isn't like where Tampa held Kucherov out until the playoffs to circumvent the cap and then voila,  he returned good as new, when  there was a lot of suspicion that  he physically could  have  returned earlier, but Tampa loaded up with replacement players that would have had  them in salary cap hell had Kucherov returned during the regular season.

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday November 01, 2023, 11:24:04 PM Eastern »
Yea, after this announcement, I just don't get any vibe at all that he plans to play NHL hockey again. He's 35 with hip issues. He gets surgery, rehabs, plays, rehabs again all offseason, plays 8 games and says he's stepping away.. He'd of just kept quiet and went on IR/LTIR with a lower body if he thought he was coming back, imo.


I'd spend Ted's money like I had $9.2m burning a hole in my pocket!  :snicker:

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #13 on: Thursday November 02, 2023, 07:04:54 AM Eastern »
Yea, after this announcement, I just don't get any vibe at all that he plans to play NHL hockey again. He's 35 with hip issues. He gets surgery, rehabs, plays, rehabs again all offseason, plays 8 games and says he's stepping away.. He'd of just kept quiet and went on IR/LTIR with a lower body if he thought he was coming back, imo.


I'd spend Ted's money like I had $9.2m burning a hole in my pocket!  :snicker:
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Haha.  Yes, YOU'D spend the $9.2 million Mick, but your question is a good one - will Leonsis spend the $9.2 million?


Let's look at the options:


(1) spend lots of money now. Say the Caps try to make a trade for a  good established forward and/or defenseman with a high AAV contract, presumably using young players and/or draft picks (which I'm not in favor of, but we're speculating here).  Is such a trade even out there at this point?  And if there is, bringing on lots of contract  value FOR A PLAYER OR PLAYERS THEY ARE COMMITTED TO LONGER TERM means the Caps are committing to a certain near/mid-term future right now under the duress of Backstrom's presumed departure, and they are admitting  that he is  not  coming back either this regular season, or ever.  Now, the Caps  could trade for high-priced help  that are  impending free agents and can be jettisoned.


But why do that now?  The players that would be available now are likely to be scarce,  because teams are still shaking out  their rosters and determining how good, or not  good, they are, so they know what to do at the deadline. Which leads us to


(2) play the kids for now, evaluate them, then at the deadline, IF they are somehow in the playoff hunt (which I don't think they will be, but if they are) THEN load up.  Pick players with expiring contracts for a this-year shot at  making noise, AND the actual money outlay is only about 1/4 of the AAV you bring in because only 1/4 of the season remains.  Pick up $9 million of expiring contracts, but only spend $2.25 million.  I bet Leonsis would like that!!

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #14 on: Thursday November 02, 2023, 09:03:02 AM Eastern »
I agree, we can't do much until the deadline nears. Bummer we don't have any top 6 prospects (centers) to play. Maybe/hopefully youth and speed will suffice. Or McMike turns into a stud center? (Now that's wishful thinking!) lol




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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #15 on: Thursday November 02, 2023, 09:41:06 AM Eastern »
I agree, we can't do much until the deadline nears. Bummer we don't have any top 6 prospects (centers) to play. Maybe/hopefully youth and speed will suffice. Or McMike turns into a stud center? (Now that's wishful thinking!) lol


What we need is for either McMichael or LaPierre to turn into a serviceable #3 center.  Kuznetsov and Strome are the top two centers, rightfully so.  They may have warts, but they are what we have right now and will remain that way for the foreseeable future.  Dowd will be back to fill the #4C role, and even if he's lost a step and isn't serviceable any more, players of his calibre are much more  fungible.  To me the bigger question is whether we can find more than minimal scoring out of the midline wings - Milano/Mantha/Oshie/Phillips.  Protas seems like more of a 4th line guy to me, and I really wonder if he isn't the ultimate answer at 4C, if he can't really score. 


Then there's always the question of whether Ovie has lost something and/or won't mesh with either Kuzy or Strome.  But that's a  separate issue altogether and it  will be what it  will be. Ovie isn't going anywhere.

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #16 on: Thursday November 02, 2023, 05:42:13 PM Eastern »
Yep to me...Backy is never coming back but not ready to say he's hanging them up and walk away from enough cash to pick up a Learjet 75
I agree with Black....wait and see if we are even a contender and pick up some talent near the deadline (when it WILL be available)
Our problem (well one of them) is we don't really have a 3C.  Dowd and Protus are both 4c kind of guys.
A reliable 3C is hard to come by, which is why we held onto Eller for so long - he was a reliable serviceable 3c who could fill lots of holes.
McMike might swing it eventually and I bet will get the chance, but he might be overwhelmed at C right now.  He still needs some seasoning but I certainly don't see him as a shutdown kind of guy, and that falls on the C more than the wings (and often/usually the 3c)
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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #17 on: Friday November 03, 2023, 03:44:37 PM Eastern »
I liked McMike at center - thought he skated really well and was all over the ice. I have to say, I was thinking he was a washout, but I was wrong.


With the Backy money situatiion, I still doubt that ownership lets them go and spend another $9 million.  It might put us in a better spot on Mantha though where they might not be so anxious to dump him and give away draft picks for somebody to take him. The last rumor I saw was that they are going to give away their next second round pick to trade him - hopefully that doesn't happen.

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #18 on: Friday November 03, 2023, 04:23:09 PM Eastern »
I hope they don't trade away picks to dump Mantha at this point.  He's a UFA after this year, just ride it out and let him go or trade for a bag of pucks and retain 1/2 his salary (or in Caps fashion; re-sign him to a new 8 year deal)
You are right though about Nicky's situation providing some relief there.  I dont think Ted would by shy about spending more money if good talent was available and we were ACTUALLY a realistic threat to contend in the playoffs.  I just don't see it with this squad this year.  We need about 10 guys to play better to make us a contender, including some unexpected miracle spark from some of the youngins.
Oshies contract runs thru the end of next year...OOF.


I keep forgetting McMike is only 22 - seems like he's been around for years.  DId he not play college hockey?  I see he played for London Knights.

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Re: Backy taking leave of absence
« Reply #19 on: Friday November 03, 2023, 04:25:00 PM Eastern »
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