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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #140 on: Tuesday February 19, 2019, 07:13:07 PM Eastern »
So I did a little research on the internet...where EVERYTHING is true and nothing is made up (and the Earth is apparently flat) and....


Apparently, Brits have been known to put champagne or sparkling water in their bidet and it causes your


Venus to sparkle and Uranus to twitch.   :uh-huh:




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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #141 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 08:58:36 AM Eastern »
They need consistency. End of story. That's what's desperately lacking.


They are consistently inconsistent.  Does that count?  :huh:


How about if they consistently underachieve?


Consistently mediocre?


Consistently disappointing?


No, not that one either?


Careful what you wish for, but yes, I agree. Probably why it's so frustrating to be a Caps fan.  I mean if they were just plain horrible, you would expect them to be bad, but they have potential so it makes it that much harder when they suck ass - because you know they are capable of better and you wonder if it's just lack of effort, heart, drive, coaching, etc, etc, etc.


Not that I would rather have a team that is just plain horrible.





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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #142 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 09:25:45 AM Eastern »
They lost their coach, they lost their best faceoff man, they lost their best penalty killer.. Triple whammy is adding up. Outside the loose defense they've played, if they weren't the worst the in the league at taking penalties, killing penalties and taking faceoffs they'd probably be a dozen points to the good.. Just something to ponder..

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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #143 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 09:51:07 AM Eastern »
They lost their coach, they lost their best faceoff man, they lost their best penalty killer.. Triple whammy is adding up. Outside the loose defense they've played, if they weren't the worst the in the league at taking penalties, killing penalties and taking faceoffs they'd probably be a dozen points to the good.. Just something to ponder..


Maybe Vancouver will trade us straight up Burka for Beagle.  8)


Price tag is currently the same, and who would you rather have?  Although $3 mil is pretty steep for 33-35 year old Beagle.


There should realistically be no comparing a 24 year old Burka with a 32 year old Beagle, but which player would better benefit this Caps team right now?  Which guy would you rather have IF the Caps make the playoffs this year?



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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #144 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 11:21:16 AM Eastern »

Maybe Vancouver will trade us straight up Burka for Beagle.  8)


Price tag is currently the same, and who would you rather have?  Although $3 mil is pretty steep for 33-35 year old Beagle.


There should realistically be no comparing a 24 year old Burka with a 32 year old Beagle, but which player would better benefit this Caps team right now?  Which guy would you rather have IF the Caps make the playoffs this year?
There isn’t.  A 55yo Beagle is better than 24 Bura. 


Beagle is simply a superior player in every facet of the game, except marketing to soccer moms who think European names are sexy and cool.


Bura is a one-way player that offers absolutely nothing other than offense.  Even then, he got beat out by Varna and has only scraped
 together 17 lousy points in 54 games. . .


For a player that’s been and given every opportunity he has only cane up with 17 points.


He’s a bust, that was not only NOT traded three years when we could of got something for him, he was signed for $3mil. .  Well be lucky to get a 4th rounder for hin

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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #145 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 11:38:10 AM Eastern »
Beags has got 2 goals and 6 assists in 36 games this year.  I know he's not a real goal scorer, but what's with the 36 games?  Has he been injured this year or just a scratch for 24 games?







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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #146 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 01:02:29 PM Eastern »
He fractured his arm blocking a shot missing about 6 weeks,
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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #147 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 02:32:09 PM Eastern »
He fractured his arm blocking a shot missing about 6 weeks,


10-4.  I recall that now
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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #148 on: Wednesday February 20, 2019, 09:40:14 PM Eastern »
IMO Vrana makes Burakovsky redundant. We already have a young up-and-coming offensive threat, who plays with more energy and speed and skill than Bura. And this is only his 2nd "full" season (first season he played like 20 games). Sorry Bura, but you had your chance and you haven't earned your keep.

This is Bura's 5th season, and Vrana has already pretty much matched Bura's career high in points and surpassed his high for goals with 20 games to go. You might argue that Bura hasn't spent as much time as Vrana in the top 6, but honestly you earn those spots, and Bura clearly hasn't while Vrana has. Bura is just a $3 million black hole for this team. His play is soft and uninspired. Can't battle, just loses the puck all the time, and isn't providing the type of punch you'd want from a 1st round draft pick. Bura's first two seasons were more promising, since he was that young guy with potential and put together some decent production in those seasons, with the expectation that he'd only improve. Since then we've seen no growth, and in fact mostly just a decline in play. Why he hasn't been shipped off earlier is beyond me.

With regards to Beagle, I agree he's the better fit for this team. His work ethic, faceoffs, PK, overall defensive acumen, etc are much more beneficial to our team than Bura's charmin soft ineffective play. That said, don't think I'd straight up trade Bura for Beagle (Bura has "change of scenery upside" and is younger, and I think another team would pay extra for that over a 33 year old that's pretty much reached his ceiling). Beagle + some other pieces for Bura? Yeah maybe, but I'd still be wary of taking on a $3 million a year cap hit through Beagle's age-37 season. Again, not saying I wouldn't prefer Beagle over Bura, just want to be conscious of salary/contract and trade return.

 

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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #149 on: Thursday February 21, 2019, 09:07:52 AM Eastern »
IMO Vrana makes Burakovsky redundant. We already have a young up-and-coming offensive threat, who plays with more energy and speed and skill than Bura. And this is only his 2nd "full" season (first season he played like 20 games). Sorry Bura, but you had your chance and you haven't earned your keep.

This is Bura's 5th season, and Vrana has already pretty much matched Bura's career high in points and surpassed his high for goals with 20 games to go. You might argue that Bura hasn't spent as much time as Vrana in the top 6, but honestly you earn those spots, and Bura clearly hasn't while Vrana has. Bura is just a $3 million black hole for this team. His play is soft and uninspired. Can't battle, just loses the puck all the time, and isn't providing the type of punch you'd want from a 1st round draft pick. Bura's first two seasons were more promising, since he was that young guy with potential and put together some decent production in those seasons, with the expectation that he'd only improve. Since then we've seen no growth, and in fact mostly just a decline in play. Why he hasn't been shipped off earlier is beyond me.

With regards to Beagle, I agree he's the better fit for this team. His work ethic, faceoffs, PK, overall defensive acumen, etc are much more beneficial to our team than Bura's charmin soft ineffective play. That said, don't think I'd straight up trade Bura for Beagle (Bura has "change of scenery upside" and is younger, and I think another team would pay extra for that over a 33 year old that's pretty much reached his ceiling). Beagle + some other pieces for Bura? Yeah maybe, but I'd still be wary of taking on a $3 million a year cap hit through Beagle's age-37 season. Again, not saying I wouldn't prefer Beagle over Bura, just want to be conscious of salary/contract and trade return.


Zero,


I was suggesting only in Jest at first that we trade Burka straight up for Beags.  IMO your are 100% correct that Beags has reached his ceiling and I fully expect decline in his play.  What is frighteningly sad is that I WOULD take Beags over Burka on THIS team right now for this season at even money.  I don't think Beags is worth 3 mil at this point in his career, and I wouldn't want to be stuck with his salary the next two seasons.  You are spot on that Burka is a black hole of $3 mil.  It was almost a joke suggesting the even swap because Beags was an undrafted 4th liner who is 32 years old, yet he would do more for this team than Burka; a 24 year old 1st round pick.


Burka has had way too many chances to prove himself and Vranna's improvement has indeed made Burka even more of a waste of time.  Caps waited too long to just dump Burka, so now we will get virtually nothing for him.


At this point I don't know what to do with him.  Will ANYONE trade for him?  I mean, if you were interested, why not just wait till next year and pick him up for free?  Caps won't be able to resign him due to cap space.  I guess some team who WILL be making the playoffs and have the cash and some minor worthless trade bait could go out on a limb and pick him up for cheap and then not resign him if he (continues) to flop.



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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #150 on: Thursday February 21, 2019, 08:56:12 PM Eastern »

Zero,


I was suggesting only in Jest at first that we trade Burka straight up for Beags.  IMO your are 100% correct that Beags has reached his ceiling and I fully expect decline in his play.  What is frighteningly sad is that I WOULD take Beags over Burka on THIS team right now for this season at even money.  I don't think Beags is worth 3 mil at this point in his career, and I wouldn't want to be stuck with his salary the next two seasons.  You are spot on that Burka is a black hole of $3 mil.  It was almost a joke suggesting the even swap because Beags was an undrafted 4th liner who is 32 years old, yet he would do more for this team than Burka; a 24 year old 1st round pick.


Burka has had way too many chances to prove himself and Vranna's improvement has indeed made Burka even more of a waste of time.  Caps waited too long to just dump Burka, so now we will get virtually nothing for him.


At this point I don't know what to do with him.  Will ANYONE trade for him?  I mean, if you were interested, why not just wait till next year and pick him up for free?  Caps won't be able to resign him due to cap space.  I guess some team who WILL be making the playoffs and have the cash and some minor worthless trade bait could go out on a limb and pick him up for cheap and then not resign him if he (continues) to flop.


Ah gotcha, and I agree and appreciate the input. That's what I like about these boards (aside from having a place to vent about how shitty the Caps are lol) - great back and forth with other fans. I'd really love us to get rid of Bura but yeah who knows who would have interest and what they'd be willing to give up.

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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #152 on: Friday February 22, 2019, 05:59:36 AM Eastern »

Zero,


I was suggesting only in Jest at first that we trade Burka straight up for Beags.  IMO your are 100% correct that Beags has reached his ceiling and I fully expect decline in his play.  What is frighteningly sad is that I WOULD take Beags over Burka on THIS team right now for this season at even money.  I don't think Beags is worth 3 mil at this point in his career, and I wouldn't want to be stuck with his salary the next two seasons.  You are spot on that Burka is a black hole of $3 mil.  It was almost a joke suggesting the even swap because Beags was an undrafted 4th liner who is 32 years old, yet he would do more for this team than Burka; a 24 year old 1st round pick.


Burka has had way too many chances to prove himself and Vranna's improvement has indeed made Burka even more of a waste of time.  Caps waited too long to just dump Burka, so now we will get virtually nothing for him.


At this point I don't know what to do with him.  Will ANYONE trade for him?  I mean, if you were interested, why not just wait till next year and pick him up for free?  Caps won't be able to resign him due to cap space.  I guess some team who WILL be making the playoffs and have the cash and some minor worthless trade bait could go out on a limb and pick him up for cheap and then not resign him if he (continues) to flop.
The only takers I can see would be a rebuilding team with plenty of cap space, and even that will be tricky.


The time for using Bura as an asset has long passed.  Chances are there will be no more deals, and GMBetaMale will try to get one of the picks he traded for Haglin back by trading Bura to anyone

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Re: GDT#60 Capitals @ Kings 10:30pm Mon Feb 18, 2019 NBCSWA, FS-W
« Reply #153 on: Friday February 22, 2019, 07:45:35 PM Eastern »
The only takers I can see would be a rebuilding team with plenty of cap space, and even that will be tricky.


The time for using Bura as an asset has long passed.  Chances are there will be no more deals, and GMBetaMale will try to get one of the picks he traded for Haglin back by trading Bura to anyone


I'd take a 4th round pick in the Bantem league for Burka  :snicker:
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