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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #240 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 09:42:26 PM Eastern »
Bura is still seen as a young guy with a high upside. They are going to give him EVERY chance they can, but I also think if there is limited improvement this year then he may be sent packing at the deadline.  Connelly on the other hand is what he is. There is no big potential break out coming there. I don't have a huge issue if the guy plays on the bottom 6, bit also wouldn't be mad if he wasn't here either. I'd like some more grit in the bottom 6.
   I'm not high on Connolly myself but I think he is a better player than Burakovsky.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #241 on: Monday July 23, 2018, 10:38:33 PM Eastern »

Haven't been paying attention much.. Any word on Orpik's plans?




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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #242 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 07:21:49 AM Eastern »
As far as I know Orpik has not signed with anybody yet.  I think there is a decent chance he will be back with the Caps this season. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #243 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 08:25:56 AM Eastern »
As far as I know Orpik has not signed with anybody yet.  I think there is a decent chance he will be back with the Caps this season.


That would be a good thing, they definitely need his services on the blue line for another year or two and it should be at a much better price this time
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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #244 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 08:44:33 AM Eastern »
Word is Pacioretty is on the trading block...  While I like Burt, he would bring more grit.  Not sure I'd do it but...  I like Pacioretty but not quite ready to give up on Burt yet.


How do you folks on the get rid of Burt wagon feel aboout it.  Pacioretty would cost 1.5 mil more and he's older at 29.
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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #245 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 12:14:15 PM Eastern »
First gut reaction is it sounds like a short term upgrade at a potential long term cost - but only if Burk continues to improve.  Paciorety has 30-39 goals in 4 of the last 5 seasons with 17 last year in an injury shortened season of 64 games.  So, I think he's a more reliable 25+ goals than Burk is. 


If you want to look at Backstrom under contract for two more years and are willing to pay the $1.5 million premium for Max, I think it sounds like a reasonable "win another now" move, or as Oshie likes to say "Back to Back"..

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #246 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 04:06:03 PM Eastern »
Orpik back. 1 year 1 million.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #247 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 04:57:14 PM Eastern »
Orpik back. 1 year 1 million.




Plus a potential $500,000 extra in performance bonuses.  I don't know how that works with respect to the salary cap.


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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #248 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 06:09:34 PM Eastern »
Another brilliant move by BMac in retaining Orpik but at a very reasonable price.  The thing that impresses me the most about Orpik is his mentorship of the young defenseman.  After every practice he stays on the ice working with the young defenseman and is always one of the last players to leave the ice.  After his playing days are over I can definitely see him being an assistant coach.  This season I see him being in the 7th defenseman role depending on how Bowey progresses and also he will be good insurance in case any of our defenseman get injured. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #249 on: Tuesday July 24, 2018, 11:25:47 PM Eastern »
I agree. Bringing back Orpik at such a low cost and short term was a smart move by BMac. As much as Orpik has his issues, he's way more manageable at $1 million per year than at $5+ million. I hated Orpik at $5+ million, and wanted him gone. But now that he's cheap, I can't help but think "why the hell not?" I mean, who else could we get for that price that is a veteran presence? This gives the Caps a cheap 6/7 veteran defenseman who can play if Bowey continues to play like an AHLer, and can also mentor the young guys.

With $6.2 million in cap space, let's bring back Wilson and see what we can get with the remaining cash. I think either a veteran backup goalie (if we aren't ready for Copley to be our backup) or a 12th forward (if we don't think Walker, Boyd, or Dowd have what it takes to be the 12th man). 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #250 on: Wednesday July 25, 2018, 09:35:37 AM Eastern »
Zero - totally agree with your post. I ragged on Orpik two years ago and every time he made a mistake it infuriated me because of his salary.  Last year he actually had a pretty good year and I didn't mind so much. I really like bringing him back as he is one of our only physical players.  You might be right about the coaching angle -maybe that was part of the deal with a promise to ease him into coaching.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #251 on: Wednesday July 25, 2018, 10:41:05 AM Eastern »
It is a good move by our GM, and it seems like some of this was probably talked through with Brooks before he was even traded. It's sort of shrewd I suppose, and still required Colorado to buy him out. But that was basically a no brainer that it would happen.


I think both parties realized that his fit is perfect here, in a bottom six role mentoring youth coming up. Especially since we drafted a bigger player in the draft this year whose style would be similar to Brooks (although better skater). Get those people learning when not to pinch, when to drop the man, penalty killing etc. It's honestly one of the only reasons I'm kind of very fine with Reirden taking over as Head Coach. Yes as a motivator with experience, I think Trotz was very effective. But I also think, Reirden was in control of this teams entire defense. Penalty killing. And Lambert/Forsythe have been tweaking the only genius we ever got out of Adam Oates, which was a restructured power play set up for years.


If the issue of this team was psyche, watching the group collective come together during the last playoff run was the evidence I needed to believe that this team is above needing an extra head coach just to keep their heads in the game. At least more than what is already provided. I also think Reirdens entire familiarity with our defensive core is a big plus. He worked with Niskanen and Orpik on the Penguins for seasons before they came over here, and he got great work out of Kempny and Carlson too. Looking at our improvements and reasons why we won, yes goaltending and bounces and all the usual jazz. But our defense was much improved from even the Dale Hunter days, much less the days of 2009.


Brooks is getting up there in age though, but I just don't see his playstyle being as such that it should have too much of a effect on him. Even still we can sit him some of the regular season anyways to get the young guys seasoning as they still get his wisdom/experience in camp and when he plays. If the idea is to have Brooks play drill sergeant to an increasing group of D who at some point we need to see taking strides, then I'm totally okay with that.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #252 on: Wednesday July 25, 2018, 12:41:47 PM Eastern »
Now my brother DC .... don't forget to take your high-blood pressure medication.  We all know how much you love Orpik.  Just wondering if you can see even a little up-side to this signing.  And yes, I'm sorry to say, I'm laughing just a little bit on the inside b/c our only crease-clearer is back.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #253 on: Wednesday July 25, 2018, 05:31:12 PM Eastern »

Nice to have Orpik back! You can place me firmly in the "I hated on him due to his salary" camp..


As for Burt, I'd move him if the opportunity arose.. He had a good playoffs and is probably at a highpoint for trade/asset bait. I like the kid, but he's just too inconsistent. I don't see him evolving, but I hope Im wrong. (If we keep him)  :wackysmile:

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« Reply #254 on: Wednesday July 25, 2018, 07:23:56 PM Eastern »
Nice to have Orpik back! You can place me firmly in the "I hated on him due to his salary" camp..


As for Burt, I'd move him if the opportunity arose.. He had a good playoffs and is probably at a highpoint for trade/asset bait. I like the kid, but he's just too inconsistent. I don't see him evolving, but I hope Im wrong. (If we keep him)  :wackysmile:
   Agree about Orpik. Like him as a player hated the contract. This contract is a steal.
Dont really agree with Burakovsky having a good playoff. He had a couple decent games.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #255 on: Wednesday July 25, 2018, 10:14:53 PM Eastern »
  Dont really agree with Burakovsky having a good playoff. He had a couple decent games.



Oh, that's right. He was injured a bunch of it.. lol The shiny Cup has warped my mind!  :rofl: I was just remembering the goals vs Tampa.. 

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #256 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 12:26:37 AM Eastern »

Oh, that's right. He was injured a bunch of it.. lol The shiny Cup has warped my mind!  :rofl: I was just remembering the goals vs Tampa..
He makes good moves, sure he scored a few very needed goals, but if you look most he did on his own. He still doesn't blend with other players. Even Vrana uses playmates much better. But I won't surprise if we'll move him, someone we'll crack his code and makes him a great player.

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #257 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 12:27:37 AM Eastern »
   Agree about Orpik. Like him as a player hated the contract. This contract is a steal.
Everyone loves this deal, it is so much win-win!

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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #258 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 12:07:32 PM Eastern »
Now my brother DC .... don't forget to take your high-blood pressure medication.  We all know how much you love Orpik.  Just wondering if you can see even a little up-side to this signing.  And yes, I'm sorry to say, I'm laughing just a little bit on the inside b/c our only crease-clearer is back.
well just goes to show how long that is been since we’ve had a real crease-clearing, physical, hard-working smart Dman that some Caps fan consider Hooks one 🤣


In a cooler of Bud Ligh Lime, a plain Budweiser looks like a good beer.  But on its own . . .far from it.


This signings clear,  first the Avs where willing to do this to get Grubby, and second:  it’s because Reidon.   They’ve had a long history, Hooks is familiar with the system and will aide on the transition.  That’s about it.


We certainly didn’t get a deal on an NHL elite, HOF bound physical defenseman top tier enforcer that some act like we did. 




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Re: Offseason starts
« Reply #259 on: Thursday July 26, 2018, 02:41:59 PM Eastern »
well just goes to show how long that is been since we’ve had a real crease-clearing, physical, hard-working smart Dman that some Caps fan consider Hooks one 🤣


In a cooler of Bud Ligh Lime, a plain Budweiser looks like a good beer.  But on its own . . .far from it.


This signings clear,  first the Avs where willing to do this to get Grubby, and second:  it’s because Reidon.   They’ve had a long history, Hooks is familiar with the system and will aide on the transition.  That’s about it.


We certainly didn’t get a deal on an NHL elite, HOF bound physical defenseman top tier enforcer that some act like we did.
    Is there an Elite Hof bound physical defenseman top tier enforcer in the NHL?
No there isn't so I'm not sure what your point is.