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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #40 on: Sunday May 27, 2018, 04:48:25 PM Eastern »

I admit I do not know hockey as well as some people on the board.  However, the best aggressive fore-checking game I saw in my life came from Pittsburg last year and the year before. Do you think Vegas is better at this than Pittsburg?


I wouldn't necessarily say better but they have been more consistently successful with it than any of the other teams this season.  It's the game Gallant likes to play and we have to neutralize it.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #41 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 08:51:57 AM Eastern »

It's really pretty simple.. Holtby needs to stand on his head and the team needs to play responsible defense while scoring some goals.   :wackysmile:
Not sure what their PP looks like, but staying out the box would be nice too..  :raspberry:

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #42 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 09:08:57 AM Eastern »
Our PP converts 1 out of 4, approximately; theirs, 1 out of 6.


That's a significant advantage, if trends hold true -- DEPENDING on how the series is refereed.  I would hope that we will play a heavy game to try to slow them down and wear them down.  That carries penalty risks.


What I don't understand is why a lot of people are saying that the Caps should be/are favored to win this series.  Vegas had a hot start to their inaugural season, and never looked back.  They never lost more than 3 games in a row the entire regular season, and they blew through the Western Conference with a 12 - 3 record in the playoffs so far.  They have the single most dominant player to this point in the playoffs in Fleury.  The only way it seems the Caps could be favored in this series is to assume that Vegas somehow regresses over the next two weeks.  There's no logical reason to think that the Caps will handle what Vegas has been to this point any more than anyone else has.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #43 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 09:13:28 AM Eastern »
LoL. That's kinda what I was thinking, Caps need to score more than they allow, seems easy enough
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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #44 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 10:35:38 AM Eastern »
Our PP converts 1 out of 4, approximately; theirs, 1 out of 6.


That's a significant advantage, if trends hold true -- DEPENDING on how the series is refereed.  I would hope that we will play a heavy game to try to slow them down and wear them down.  That carries penalty risks.


What I don't understand is why a lot of people are saying that the Caps should be/are favored to win this series.  Vegas had a hot start to their inaugural season, and never looked back.  They never lost more than 3 games in a row the entire regular season, and they blew through the Western Conference with a 12 - 3 record in the playoffs so far.  They have the single most dominant player to this point in the playoffs in Fleury.  The only way it seems the Caps could be favored in this series is to assume that Vegas somehow regresses over the next two weeks.  There's no logical reason to think that the Caps will handle what Vegas has been to this point any more than anyone else has.
Agreed.


There can be no reliance on luck our the opponent beating themselves at all.  They are smart and play a tight defensive system that has shut down every one in the playoffs, and this is in front of a goalie that is having a near historic playoff run.


Momentum, swagger, mojo, entitlement, and cockiness need to be checked at the door by players and fans a like.  This a hungrier team on a mission that has steam rolled their way through a tougher Confrence. 


Not saying it’s impossible, but it will take 4 games playing better than we’ve played so far.


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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #45 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 01:27:02 PM Eastern »
Our PP converts 1 out of 4, approximately; theirs, 1 out of 6.
What I don't understand is why a lot of people are saying that the Caps should be/are favored to win this series.


Couldn't agree more.  The pundits seem to make their predictions based on regular season anyway.  Vegas had more points than Caps in the regular season, they beat Caps both times during the regular season, their main goalie beat Caps more than once in play-offs.
End of story.  We are the underdog and the whole world outside of Nevada should root for us.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #46 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 01:28:51 PM Eastern »
Outside of Nevada and Western PA.  If folks in Pittsburg start supporting us for the duration of this series... well... that will make me feel creepy.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #47 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 01:35:01 PM Eastern »
  It's the game Gallant likes to play and we have to neutralize it.


Since I am effectively anti-KitFisto I will chime in like this... Beating Pittsburg and their extraordinary for-check made us immune to whatever any team in this league can throw at us from their for-checking department.
12 out of 14 NHL analysts predicted Tampa's victory and the only reason the series went to game 7 is because of their excellent power play.  We know how to counter aggressive for-checking and generate odd man rushes.
There, I said it.  If we lose to Vegas I jinxed it.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #48 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 03:33:05 PM Eastern »
this is the Vegas Strong program that was on after game 7 a few days ago. Like I said, it would have me cheering for them to win if not for the Caps...


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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #49 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 04:42:19 PM Eastern »
this is the Vegas Strong program that was on after game 7 a few days ago. Like I said, it would have me cheering for them to win if not for the Caps...



Ya man, this is movie/storybook shit.


Shooting, first pro team, an insane fan base, record setting, march through the playoffs . . .  This is damn near a Hollywood script.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #50 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 05:02:07 PM Eastern »
this is the Vegas Strong program that was on after game 7 a few days ago. Like I said, it would have me cheering for them to win if not for the Caps...





Thanks for posting that.  Brought a tear to my eye.
Whoever wins it will piss the NHL off, methinks.  :P
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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #51 on: Monday May 28, 2018, 11:10:58 PM Eastern »
Only need to worry about the first 4 games. We are getting swept.

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday May 29, 2018, 07:50:04 PM Eastern »
Beyond my earlier commentary about having personal investment in other sports activities involving me and family more than the Caps, I am starting to get really PO'd about something.  It's the ever-increasing whining of other teams about Tom Wilson.


Wilson has a talent that is pretty rare.  He is very efficient at leveraging his body mass when hitting someone.  That's why he tends to hit people harder than almost all other NHL players hit people.  And that is why, in conjunction with his projectable hockey skills, that he was drafted #16, significantly higher than he would have gone otherwise, by that GM who didn't know an effective hockey player if he saw one, George McPhee (If you listen to lots of cranky fans.)


The NHL front office has been continually reining in the latitude with which Tom Wilson operates.  And as far as engagement of an opponent's head, I'm fine with that.  But it is getting ridiculous, and this latest whining about his hit on Marchasseault last evening is especially nonsensical.  There was NOTHING technically wrong with the mechanics of that hit.  It might have been a little late, and worthy of an interference penalty, but that is what penalties are for, NOT suspensions.  Vegas needs to shut up and play, facing the fact that Wilson is a pretty unique Capitals asset whose capabilities Vegas is going to have to overcome if they want to win the Cup.  They CAN do it; I've said over and over that my view is they are the favorites in this series.  This constant whining to try to further and further restrict what Tom Wilson is allowed to do, or more of interest, to try to get him suspended and take away the Capitals' asset, is getting very, very old.  "Boo hoo, Tommy hit me too hard."


Wilson's primary problem, I think, is that in his first few years he was primarily a 4th liner, so he was most often engaging with other limited-minutes, limited-skills players.  Now as his hockey skills are developing and he has been moved to the first line, his attentions are much more often targeted toward the glamour players on opposing teams, and they don't like having their time and space taken away in the manner Wilson employs.  Wilson HAS refined his techniques as the NHL has clamped down on predatory hitting, but this constant whining about hits that are clean mechanically is nothing but self-serving and begging to negate an advantage that an opponent is too cowardly to face up to.


Whatever happens with regard to disciplinary behavior, no one can take away Tom Wilson's unique capability to leverage his body mass.  Tom, keep playing the way you are.  If the NHL is going to cave to opponents' woe-is-me attitude toward you and try to make you obsolete, that is their problem, not yours.   

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Re: Round 4 Schedule (that's not a typo)
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday May 29, 2018, 08:16:35 PM Eastern »
Beyond my earlier commentary about having personal investment in other sports activities involving me and family more than the Caps, I am starting to get really PO'd about something.  It's the ever-increasing whining of other teams about Tom Wilson.


Wilson has a talent that is pretty rare.  He is very efficient at leveraging his body mass when hitting someone.  That's why he tends to hit people harder than almost all other NHL players hit people.  And that is why, in conjunction with his projectable hockey skills, that he was drafted #16, significantly higher than he would have gone otherwise, by that GM who didn't know an effective hockey player if he saw one, George McPhee (If you listen to lots of cranky fans.)


The NHL front office has been continually reining in the latitude with which Tom Wilson operates.  And as far as engagement of an opponent's head, I'm fine with that.  But it is getting ridiculous, and this latest whining about his hit on Marchasseault last evening is especially nonsensical.  There was NOTHING technically wrong with the mechanics of that hit.  It might have been a little late, and worthy of an interference penalty, but that is what penalties are for, NOT suspensions.  Vegas needs to shut up and play, facing the fact that Wilson is a pretty unique Capitals asset whose capabilities Vegas is going to have to overcome if they want to win the Cup.  They CAN do it; I've said over and over that my view is they are the favorites in this series.  This constant whining to try to further and further restrict what Tom Wilson is allowed to do, or more of interest, to try to get him suspended and take away the Capitals' asset, is getting very, very old.  "Boo hoo, Tommy hit me too hard."


Wilson's primary problem, I think, is that in his first few years he was primarily a 4th liner, so he was most often engaging with other limited-minutes, limited-skills players.  Now as his hockey skills are developing and he has been moved to the first line, his attentions are much more often targeted toward the glamour players on opposing teams, and they don't like having their time and space taken away in the manner Wilson employs.  Wilson HAS refined his techniques as the NHL has clamped down on predatory hitting, but this constant whining about hits that are clean mechanically is nothing but self-serving and begging to negate an advantage that an opponent is too cowardly to face up to.


Whatever happens with regard to disciplinary behavior, no one can take away Tom Wilson's unique capability to leverage his body mass.  Tom, keep playing the way you are.  If the NHL is going to cave to opponents' woe-is-me attitude toward you and try to make you obsolete, that is their problem, not yours.
At the heart of the issue is the NHL itsel, particularly the intentional subjective nature of the language, enforcement, and penalties/discipline.

This creates a method that is not unlike lobbying on Capitol Hill, where  owners, GMs, players, and worse of all media , complain to get calls, and/or suspensions in their favor.

It is pretty clear that “by the book”, “legal”, etc doesn’t really exist when complaints, mandate, and hype will determine the outcome regardless.