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Barry Trotz
« on: Monday June 04, 2018, 09:10:37 AM Eastern »
Obviously it's on the other board, but there was a topic when Trotz was first hired and this (that) board was mostly for it -if not just for a breath of fresh air- but then it definitely got more 50-50 as the seasons/playoffs went on and nothing was changing.


With that said (if anyone remembers I was the one saying he's a good coach as his team terrorized my Blues for several seasons...) Cup or no Cup, what are your thoughts on bringing him back/re-signing him?


As far as I know he is still contract-free and are not negotiating right now (rightfully so)
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #1 on: Monday June 04, 2018, 09:14:17 AM Eastern »
If the Caps pull this off I see him pulling a Madden.  If they flounder, who knows.  I get the feeling he wants to retire though.
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #2 on: Monday June 04, 2018, 09:19:55 AM Eastern »
He finally got this group to not only show up for once, but to over-perform as needed. . . So good thing coaches don’t count against the cap.

But we know the reality is that its ultimately up to Ovie


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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #3 on: Monday June 04, 2018, 11:13:36 AM Eastern »
He finally got this group to not only show up for once, but to over-perform as needed. . . So good thing coaches don’t count against the cap.

But we know the reality is that its ultimately up to Ovie


Its what so many of us have been saying for years.  Playing with balls, team defence, protecting the crease, effort, nastiness, consistent effort.  Did I leave anything out?


And yes, it starts with OV.  If they can keep this up they have a very good chance.
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #4 on: Monday June 04, 2018, 01:20:37 PM Eastern »
If the Caps pull this off I see him pulling a Madden.  If they flounder, who knows.  I get the feeling he wants to retire though.


Go out on a high note... BUT after finally making it to the Finals for the 1st time in your career (whether winning or not) you really think he would retire?


Then, IF he does, who could live up to these expectations?
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #5 on: Monday June 04, 2018, 02:20:40 PM Eastern »
Trotz is too young to retire. I have seen speculation where he may want to take a year off though.
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #6 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 09:40:07 AM Eastern »
The problem is.... If we give Trotz a new contract we will lose Rierden who has been groomed for the job.

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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #7 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 10:02:41 AM Eastern »
The problem is.... If we give Trotz a new contract we will lose Rierden who has been groomed for the job.




And there's the question.


The Caps were completely transparent in their attempts to have it all ways.  Keep Trotz around to coach through his contract, keep Rierden around by refusing to let other teams talk to him about a head coaching position, don't extend Trotz this year to see what happens with the team.  OK, now they won the Cup.  Do you give Trotz an extension now and let go of Rierden, which is the only fair thing to do?  Or do you say "Thanks for the primo job, Barry, but we're going to head into a new future with Rierden."?  And you have to make the decision in the VERY near future, because otherwise, Trotz could sign with someone else at any time.  And if he isn't resigned, the new coach (presumably Rierden) would need time to hire his staff and get them up to speed.


Do you give the reward for winning the Cup and perhaps forego the future leadership you really want to have?  Or do you not?  How would the players think about losing the coach who just led them to the Promised Land?  Talk about a tough administrative decision .....


And I think there is a related wild card in all of this.  Now that the Capitals have won the Cup, how will Ovie and the rest react?  Will they really gear up to try to repeat next year, or will Ovie figure "I got it, my essential work is done."?  I could see the latter happening, AND I could see Ovie retiring from the NHL after his current contract is up.  Why?  Because it ends 3 years from now, which just happens to be the last year before the next Winter Olympics.  I could see Ovie, who was not at all happy about not being able to play in the Olympics this winter, bolting to Russia to give that venue one last shot at age 36.  He certainly knows that, one way or another, that WOULD be his Olympic swan song.

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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #8 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 12:50:11 PM Eastern »
I don't see Ovie not wanting to do this again. He still has to beat Sindy's Cup record. Winning multiple Cups would just add to his accomplishments and if they can keep this team together, why not?  They have the recipe.  I guess it comes down to do they want to work that hard again for it. i would bet that every member on that team would answer that "yes"?  This team is a beast. I was not even sweating the end result like I usually do.  They made the steamroller Vegas look like AHL league boys. Damn it was fun to watch.
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #9 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 12:52:15 PM Eastern »
Trotz is too young to retire. I have seen speculation where he may want to take a year off though.

Taking a year off at this point would be nuts unless the team doesn't intend to try and repeat this year's performance.
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #10 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 02:54:46 PM Eastern »
I have no doubt Trotz will be the Caps coach next season.  BMac said if Trotz wants to be the coach he will be and Trotz stated that he definitely can see coming back next season.  Now it is just a matter of working out the details of the contract but it will get done. 

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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #11 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 03:05:12 PM Eastern »
I gave Trotz a lot of credit for what he did in previous seasons. I cut Trotz some slack early on in this season when we were sucking because I figured injuries/new players would mean the team might take some time to get their act together. However, as the season went on, even when they started pulling it together, I felt like Trotz's time was up and wanted him fired. Never would have thought in a million years that he'd get the guys the Cup.

If we get rid of Trotz, I'd only do so if we can get a top tier proven coach to replace him. Anything less than a Quenneville or a Babcock or a Laviolette type of coach and I wouldn't bother

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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #12 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 03:52:42 PM Eastern »
I gave Trotz a lot of credit for what he did in previous seasons. I cut Trotz some slack early on in this season when we were sucking because I figured injuries/new players would mean the team might take some time to get their act together. However, as the season went on, even when they started pulling it together, I felt like Trotz's time was up and wanted him fired. Never would have thought in a million years that he'd get the guys the Cup.

If we get rid of Trotz, I'd only do so if we can get a top tier proven coach to replace him. Anything less than a Quenneville or a Babcock or a Laviolette type of coach and I wouldn't bother


Eh, I don't know if I want Q here. Looking at the Chicago board, they all wanted Q fired. Apparently a big reason we were able to get Kempny for relatively cheap is that Q refused to play him, so the organization didn't have really much of a clue where his skill level was at. Q has a big hard on for veteran over any young unproven players, and while I think there is a time and place for that, the NHL with where it's at, and our roster with where it's at isn't it. A big reason we won was because we gave minutes to players with chips on their shoulders who had less NHL time or were bumped around, and they showed up big. Obviously we had some rookies and Burt, but even like DSP, Eller, Kempny. These are guys that bounced around, didn't find permanent homes and had something to prove.


I don't want a coach who isn't willing to give a player a chance to show what they got. Barry Trotz should be with this team again unless he retires as far as I'm concerned. I don't know where all the drama around Reirden wanting to be head coach started. Why wouldn't he just stay here, and keep attempting to win Cups now? Granted he did leave Pitt to head here when we signed Nisky/Orpik and got Trotz. But I still think he'd be fine as an associate coach. Nonetheless I want us to keep Trotz if he's still coaching. I felt that way before the Cup win, the Cup win only solidifies it for me. He plays the type of system you need to play in order to win in the playoffs. Simple as that. He's also got a great relationship with our core, has Ovie playing some of the hardest working hockey he's ever played and puts ample focus on youth and the bottom aspects of the line up.


Letting Trotz go if he doesn't retire would be a monumental mistake. Pardon the pun there.

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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #13 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 04:53:32 PM Eastern »
I'm glad I was wrong about what I saw after that Colorado game this year. But, I don't understand why it took Trotz three years to get these guys to believe in each other. I also don't think they win the Cup without some of the fresh minds that had to brought in with expansion and UFAs.


and, I can't stand the narrative that it took OV 10 years to win the Cup. He can't do it all by himself. He needs a team around him to play as a team as well.
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #14 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 05:22:07 PM Eastern »
I have no doubt Trotz will be the Caps coach next season.  BMac said if Trotz wants to be the coach he will be and Trotz stated that he definitely can see coming back next season.  Now it is just a matter of working out the details of the contract but it will get done.


I read this too.  Looks like I was wrong.  Sometimes it happens...  :smirk:
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Re: Barry Trotz
« Reply #15 on: Saturday June 09, 2018, 05:32:32 PM Eastern »
Alta,


Im not sure what else you could have expected? It took 4 yrs for the new GM (technically) and the new coach to get the team they wanted with the right amount of experience for the kids from Hershey etc
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