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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: ArJunaZ on Wednesday November 14, 2018, 03:53:34 PM Eastern
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Game 18: 19-8-6-3 (PTS-W-L-OT)
Wednesday November 14, 2018 Washington Capitals @ Winnipeg Jets
Place: Bell MTS Place
Time: 8:00 p.m. ET
TV: NBCSWA+, SN, TVAS
Radio: 106.7 The Fan, Capitals Radio 24/7
NHL.COM (https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/2018020274) for Live Box Score
Last Game: Tue November 13 Capitals Won 5-2 against Wild
Next Game: Fri November 16, 9:00pm ET Capitals @ Avalanche
8-Ovechkin 92-Kuznetsov 43-Wilson
13-Vrana 19-Bäckström 77-Oshie
65-Burakovsky 20-Eller 10-Connolly
18-Stephenson 72-Boyd 25-Smith-Pelly
9-Orlov 74-Carlson
22-Bowey 2-Niskanen
34-Siegenthaler 29-Djoos
1-Copley (starter)
41-Gavin McHale (6'7" Emergency Backup)
-- SCRATCH --
23-Jaskin
26-Dowd
6-Kempny (illness)
70-Holtby (upper body injury)
-- INJURED RESERVE --
44-Orpik [lower-body injury]
-- SUSPENDED --
-- 1st Powerplay Unit --
77-Oshie 19-Bäckström 92-Kuznetsov
8-Ovechkin 74-Carlson
-- 2nd Powerplay Unit --
13-Vrana 10-Connolly 20-Eller
2-Niskanen 9-Orlov
Referees: Francis Charron (#6), Kyle Rehman (#10)
Linesmen: Bevan Mills (#53), Kiel Murchison (#79)
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1st Period
13:00 GOAL 13-Vrana, assists 22-Bowey & 9-Orlov 1-0 WSH
2nd Period
05:05 Jets PP GOAL Scheifele, assists Connor & Wheeler 1-1 TIE
3rd Period
12:51 Jets GOAL Chiarot, assist Tanev 2-1 WPG
19:00 Jets EN GOAL Connor, unassisted 3-1 WPG
FINAL: 3-1 WPG
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By Isabelle Khurshudyan November 14 at 10:43 AM
Tom Wilson returned and the Capitals played a complete game. This may be no coincidence.
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Wilson scored a goal in his first game back after his suspension was reduced. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Washington Capitals forward Tom Wilson felt “gassed” by the time the day was over. While he was hopeful his appeal would get him in the lineup sooner, he’d been expecting to make his season debut on Nov. 21, the first game after his original suspension of 20 games for an illegal check to the head. But then he got a text at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday that his sentence had been reduced to 14 games, making him eligible to play immediately. Despite his six weeks away from game action, the Capitals didn’t plan to ease him in; they instead tossed him right back onto the top line where he was always meant to play this season.
Coach Todd Reirden tried to temper expectations before the game against the Minnesota Wild, cautioning that Wilson might not be as sharp as some of his teammates who had already played 16 games. “We have to have realistic expectations that he’s going to have a little bit of a learning curve here in terms of getting back up to speed and getting comfortable with the pace of play, which is something that is at an all-time high this year,” Reirden said. Still, he expected Wilson’s return to at least inject an “energy boost” into a lineup that has often looked flat to start the season. Washington was on a two-game losing streak entering its game against Minnesota. After defensive issues had hurt the team in the first month of the season, it was an inability to score at even strength that had been more concerning of late.
Perhaps it’s not a coincidence that the Capitals had one of their most complete efforts of the season in Wilson’s first game back from his suspension. Along with scoring a goal in the 5-2 win over the Wild on Tuesday night, Wilson’s return to the top line allowed Reirden to slot forwards back in their rightful place, organizing his lines to be almost identical to what the Capitals deployed during the Stanley Cup finals five months ago. Wilson also flashed some of the scoring touch that was at its peak in the postseason, when he scored five goals with 10 assists in 21 playoff games as the team won its first Stanley Cup. As Wilson might have to pull back some of his physicality after a fourth suspension, Washington is hopeful his offensive ability continues to come around.
[Tom Wilson sparks Capitals against Wild in his early return from suspension]
“He’s unfortunately going to have to change his game a little bit because of his size and strength and speed,” forward T.J. Oshie said on Tuesday morning. “It’s probably going to be a little uncomfortable. If someone came up to me and told me I have to change the way I play, now you’re thinking about that instead of thinking about whatever plays you have to make. He’s a mature kid, he’s a smart kid, and I think he’ll find other ways to be successful."
Wilson’s next test is maintaining the energy he showed Tuesday night in a second game in as many nights — the Capitals play in Winnipeg on Wednesday night — as he tries to recover a season that’s been derailed from the start.
“The first period was a bit of a struggle,” Wilson admitted after the game. “I’m probably going to worry about getting my legs back. As a pro, that’s your job. You’ve got to get ready for the next game.”
Wilson’s absence has been most noticeable on the Capitals' penalty kill, which entered Tuesday’s game as one of the worst units in the league, and on the top line, which had been unimpressive at even strength. Washington rewarded him with a six-year, $31 million deal before the season because of how well his physical play complements Alex Ovechkin and center Evgeny Kuznetsov, but the contract also factored in what the Capitals expect out of Wilson for years to come. He’s coming off a career year with 14 goals and 21 assists, and just as the team believed there was more offensive upside when it drafted him six years ago, it still does now.
In the first period, he drove the net, catching a pass from Dmitry Orlov there and placing it past goaltender Devan Dubnyk as he and Wild defenseman Ryan Suter collided with Dubnyk. It was that sort of net-front traffic the Capitals had been missing as they’d managed just two five-on-five goals in the three games prior. The Capitals had five Tuesday night, including Orlov’s first two goals of the season. The small silver lining of Wilson’s suspension was the time he spent working with skills coach Dwayne Blais, so that when he did get back in the lineup, perhaps it would be his production making headlines as opposed to his big hits.
[Playing with Alex Ovechkin and Evgeny Kuznetsov should be easy, right? It’s not. Here’s why.]
“We have to have him in our lineup, and we can’t go through times where we have him in the stands,” Reirden said. “I think there are maybe some hits that he can avoid. . . . He plays the game at such a high speed and he’s such a big [guy] that he sometimes puts himself at risk for that. Some of those decisions are going to be a bit different now. But I still expect him to be intense and getting in on the forecheck and adding that puck-protection element that he has and going to the net front, especially with the players he’s playing with in Ovechkin and Kuznetsov.
"The offensive area of the game that he showed us in the playoffs, that’s something we really worked on by having our skills coach in and spending extra time with him to be able to add those dynamics as well. We forget about those. Unfortunately now, there’s a lot of attention on the physical play, but he adds a lot of different things to our team. Maybe if he’s not quite as physical in times of risk, I don’t think it’s going to hurt his overall product and definitely not hurt our overall team because he can do a number of things to help our club.”
Read more on the Capitals:
As Capitals search for consistency, latest experiment is shuffling defensive pairings (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/12/capitals-search-consistency-latest-experiment-is-shuffling-defensive-pairings/?utm_term=.bde7710e59ca)
As the NHL gets younger, vets note Fortnite, other video games encroaching on team bonding (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/12/nhl-gets-younger-vets-note-fortnite-other-video-games-encroaching-team-bonding/?utm_term=.af0dce6e6fc2)
Playing with Alex Ovechkin and Evgeny Kuznetsov should be easy, right? It’s not. Here’s why. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/08/playing-with-alex-ovechkin-evgeny-kuznetsov-should-be-easy-right-its-not-heres-why/?utm_term=.f2d0f33b32b2)
‘No room for hate’: Caps’ raffle winner donates $19,000 jackpot to Pittsburgh Jewish community (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/09/no-room-hate-caps-raffle-winner-donates-jackpot-pittsburgh-jewish-community/?utm_term=.41fb6d963f04)
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pretty good showing from the Caps last night. I hope they can repeat that performance
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So why is Jaskin getting scratched - even before Willy came back? I thought he was playing well. I do like Dowd and Boyd, but I thought Jaskin outplayed them.
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So why is Jaskin getting scratched - even before Willy came back? I thought he was playing well. I do like Dowd and Boyd, but I thought Jaskin outplayed them.
Because Bura, Connolly, Eller wnd Varana babe new contracts and fall into “keep the band together” marketing campaign.
Doesn’t matter how well anyone else does, those guys have their positions etched in stone by Monumental
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Holtby isn’t dressed, apparently injured. Copley is starting
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Holtby isn’t dressed, apparently injured. Copley is starting
An upper body injury. I wonder if he got hurt in warmups. Very strange, whatever happened must have just happened to have to use an emergency backup goalie.
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An upper body injury. I wonder if he got hurt in warmups. Very strange, whatever happened must have just happened to have to use an emergency backup goalie.
They are saying the emergency backup goalie is assigned to Winnipeg. I wasn’t aware the teams share him, if needed
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Gavin McHale is the emergency backup, all 6’7” of him
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Ugh.. Can't be having Holts injured! Too much time being missed by starters this year. :-(
Oh goodie, another 8pm start! >:( Hopefully it'll still be a hockey game in the 3rd and I'll catch up with ya'll.. :cross:
* Also, Dowd in for Boyd, as per AlanMay on twitter..
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Hello boys and girls!! Let's Go Caps!!!
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Morning all. ;D
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Morning all. ;D
Morning 'Lil.
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Nice shot! 8)
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was that Kuzy going to the locker room??
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FFS, it's all too easy to turn into an opponent and trip yourself on their legs. I don't see how that was Burka's fault.
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Bura did not do it intentionally, another BS call.
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was that Kuzy going to the locker room??
I've been trying to find you an answer, but no luck yet.
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Just before the Ovi and Willy sandwich, Kuzy got hit in the head. He played one more shift and then went off.
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was that Kuzy going to the locker room??
On the DVR I watched Kuzy up until Vrana's goal and he looked fine. He ended his shift just prior to Vrana's goal and as Vrana was celebrating I saw one of the Cap's staff giving him some attention, but it appeared to be equipment related. He did not return to the ice after that. I never saw him go to the locker room though.
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Pretty good period by the Caps.
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Still no Kuzy on the bench, not good
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I just watched Kuzy play 3-4 shifts before Vrana's goal and I never really saw him get hit. Odd. Has anyone mentioned it on TV?
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that's nice
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Weak ass calls by the refs again.
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I just watched Kuzy play 3-4 shifts before Vrana's goal and I never really saw him get hit. Odd. Has anyone mentioned it on TV?
I caught a bit of it on the radio, not the injury, just that he left and has not been back
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fukin zebras
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Holy crap. That was called on the wrong guy!
:nrs:
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Such bullshit from the refs.
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Copley is awesome!
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Our boys need to pull their collective finger out. >:(
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Copley is awesome!
Holy shit Copley. He sure has played well. He has good size and is athletic.
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It's been a good battle. Caps doing well all things considered.
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Holy shit Copley. He sure has played well. He has good size and is athletic.
"But his positioning is shit"......... :P
Glad that period is over.
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"But his positioning is shit"......... :P
Glad that period is over.
He has made big improvements since his first couple if games. Maybe it was nerves. Even his rebound control has been pretty good. I hope he keeps it up.
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So what's the deal with Kuz? Just heard Alan May say he was out.. Get Wilson back, lose 3 other players.. Seems about right in the WDC luck department. :clown:
Just heard, hit in the head, done for the night. Probably done for a while if he's concussed.. :-\
Kuz head shot:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1062890199473143809 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1062890199473143809)
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So what's the deal with Kuz? Just heard Alan May say he was out.. Get Wilson back, lose 3 other players.. Seems about right in the WDC luck department. :clown:
Just heard, hit in the head, done for the night. Probably done for a while if he's concussed.. :-\
Kuz head shot:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1062890199473143809 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1062890199473143809)
Ya not good. It didnt seem like a very hard hit.
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Holy shit Copley. He sure has played well. He has good size and is athletic.
Incredibly well, especially since he’s started both games, back to back! Doesn’t look tired at all! 1st P, almost all Caps. 2nd P, we saw significant energy drop by caps, with Copley keeping it even!
Caps are going to have to dig deep in the stamina department, for this 3rd P coming up, if they want two points!
Rush
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Is anyone else impressed with Bowey the past few games? Seigenthaler looks pretty good too.
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Nicky overpassing.
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3 more passes would of done it! :wackysmile:
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How is it offside when you just took the puck from your opponent in their zone?
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NHL refs are the CNN of professional sports officiating!
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How is it offside when you just took the puck from your opponent in their zone?
Yup. And another bad call.
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Another incorrect offside call.
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we need a whistle and a review
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I thought that was a goal
ETA
Lucky bounces for the Jets! Damn!
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Snakebit.
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unfukinbelievable
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Damn I thought Backstrom scored. Nice stretch pass from Bowey.
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quality replay that was
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hmm.. One of those nights I see..
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Connolly has missed a lot of good chances this year.
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74 looks lost
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double shifting OV isn't doing anything
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double shifting OV isn't doing anything
No choice. Kuzy out and somebody has to play 2x. I think he’s skated well and backchecked. Remember we played last night and the Jets have been off since Sunday.
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All those great saves and that went in?
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Gonna be tough now. Our guys are dead tired. Dumbass league scheduling.
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that was some impressive D work right there. :poop: :clown:
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Damn! :(
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Vrana has to learn when to be fancy and when to play tough hockey. He dances too much.
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All those great saves and that went in?
Ya it was like a knuckle ball. One he probably should have stopped.
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I hope that hit Carlson's stick.. :-X
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I gotta say, I've been hearing an awful lot of van halen ever since I posted that video a couple games ago
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Their goalie has been a little good and a little lucky.
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Figured that'd be 2 for 77.. :wackysmile:
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Here’s the chance.
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oh boy, it's big pp time
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If this doesn't work, we're sunk.
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Time to show em' what's what!! Let's see what we got..
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cheesus man, the passing sucks
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I hope that hit Carlson's stick.. :-X
It didnt look like it but it may have. Need another look.
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Well, that sucked.
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I can't believe the refs didn't call that TACKLE for a penalty.
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Bah humbug!
Night night all.
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Good night Lil!
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WTF.. Oshie hurt now? Talk about a shitty night..
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I can't believe the refs didn't call that TACKLE for a penalty.
He got dropped on his head. Similar to the play Peterson got injured on. Can't remember who it was but he got a suspension.
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Tough enough to play these two teams but to play them Back-to-back when the second team has 3 full days’ rest is just the league giving us the middle finger as usual.
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not good,
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1st Period
13:00 GOAL 13-Vrana, assists 22-Bowey & 9-Orlov 1-0 WSH
2nd Period
05:05 Jets PP GOAL Scheifele, assists Connor & Wheeler 1-1 TIE
3rd Period
12:51 Jets GOAL Chiarot, assist Tanev 2-1 WPG
19:00 Jets EN GOAL Connor, unassisted 3-1 WPG
FINAL: 3-1 WPG
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For a team we rarely play I dislike Winnipeg a lot.
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Caps actually played well. Won the first when they were fresh, fairly even in second and smoked in the 3rd when they were exhausted.
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Oh well, hope for the best. Oshie didn't look TOO bad skating off. Hope they recover quickly..
Night night. (Ō_ƆŎ)
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I thought there should have been a penalty on the body slam on Oshie.
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I thought there should have been a penalty on the body slam on Oshie.
Absolutely! I don't understand why they didn't talk about that. First he grabs Oshie by the shoulder and turns him - which is always called as holding. Then, just in case the ref missed that, he throws him to the ice!!!! How in the world was that not a penalty?
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I thought there should have been a penalty on the body slam on Oshie.
That should have been a penalty, in fact I wonder if DOPS will look at that. In the post game show Carlin said that Matheson from Florida was suspended for a similar play where he threw a player to the ice.
As for Kuzy injury, the hit didn’t look that hard but it was right on the chin.
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a bright spot from last nights game...
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/11/15/josh-morrissey-will-have-a-hearing-with-nhl-player-safety-over-his-throw-down-of-tj-oshie/ (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/11/15/josh-morrissey-will-have-a-hearing-with-nhl-player-safety-over-his-throw-down-of-tj-oshie/)
for reference, the two game Matheson hit/takedown....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xFIAov-9RUU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xFIAov-9RUU)
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That's cool.. Anyone know if they skated today and if so, who was/wasn't on the ice? That hit reminds me of the hit Backstrom took from Bourque. Not the dirty part but the part where it didn't look like much, but turned into a bunch of missed games.
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Caps are in Denver tomorrow night, I would think they are already there with the day off because of the travel
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Morrisey gets an $8500 fine, no suspension. The take down of Oshie was far worse than what Matheson did, IMO. This league is a fukin joke...
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/)
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Morrisey gets an $8500 fine, no suspension. The take down of Oshie was far worse than what Matheson did, IMO. This league is a fukin joke...
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/)
Well then, why doesn't everyone who thinks the league is such a joke take off and never return? I mean, why invest time in something that is so obviously rigged?
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Well then, why doesn't everyone who thinks the league is such a joke take off and never return? I mean, why invest time in something that is so obviously rigged?
People are already doing that
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wow, it went from highly inconsistent to actually rigged. ::)
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wow, it went from highly inconsistent to actually rigged. ::)
It sure looks that way.
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And did I read right that Morrissey has "history"? Not sure why pro sports (most all of them) have such a problem with consistency? Should of been 4-6 games if they're going from the same play book they used to sentence Wilson. >:(
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Original contact no problem. I agree with most here, it was the SLAM that was suspect.
I assumed they checked to see if Oshie suffered an injury, as DOPS states that is always a factor in the decision.
I would like to have seen 1-3 games handed out. Worse though, is the damn low-ball fine!! $8500!!!
Hell, NHL, save your money? It costs more, just to process the story for the media! JEEZ!
Rush
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wow, it went from highly inconsistent to actually rigged. ::)
Let me speak as a statistician for a moment .....
If the situation with discipline were "inconsistent" in some random fashion, that would correspond to variance in the random variable of the amount of consequence relative to a particular class of hockey infractions. However, if the amount of consequence for a particular class of infractions is consistently different for some players than for others, that corresponds to the statistical concept of bias. Bias is a much more insidious and provocative cause of error in statistics, because it is much more difficult to measure and compromises the integrity of statistics no matter how much one observes the phenomenon under consideration (whereas one can reduce variance by observing more cases). Bias is also dangerous to the integrity, not just of statistics, but of the science of statistics itself, because people get the sense that "statistics are worthless." Also, bias can creep into statistics not just because of natural phenomena that interfere in some consistent way with the measurement of a variable, but because someone is manipulating the data for his/her own purposes.
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And did I read right that Morrissey has "history"? Not sure why pro sports (most all of them) have such a problem with consistency? Should of been 4-6 games if they're going from the same play book they used to sentence Wilson. >:(
Morrissey was suspended for cross checking vedic Staal in the face last playoffs. Bad thing about that he didnt even get a penalty on the play and later that game he assisted on the gwg.
People here probably remember the Niskanen crosscheck on Crosby which got him 5 min, a game misconduct and a suspension. I thought the Morrissey crosscheck on Staal was a lot worse. The refs let it go. The league gave him one game.
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Let me speak in Chinese for a moment .....
If the situation with discipline were "inconsistent" in some random fashion, that would correspond to variance in the random variable of the amount of consequence relative to a particular class of hockey infractions. However, if the amount of consequence for a particular class of infractions is consistently different for some players than for others, that corresponds to the statistical concept of bias. Bias is a much more insidious and provocative cause of error in statistics, because it is much more difficult to measure and compromises the integrity of statistics no matter how much one observes the phenomenon under consideration (whereas one can reduce variance by observing more cases). Bias is also dangerous to the integrity, not just of statistics, but of the science of statistics itself, because people get the sense that "statistics are worthless." Also, bias can creep into statistics not just because of natural phenomena that interfere in some consistent way with the measurement of a variable, but because someone is manipulating the data for his/her own purposes.
Bro, slow down.. You smokin too much, too early!!! :rofl:
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Let me speak as a statistician for a moment .....
If the situation with discipline were "inconsistent" in some random fashion, that would correspond to variance in the random variable of the amount of consequence relative to a particular class of hockey infractions. However, if the amount of consequence for a particular class of infractions is consistently different for some players than for others, that corresponds to the statistical concept of bias. Bias is a much more insidious and provocative cause of error in statistics, because it is much more difficult to measure and compromises the integrity of statistics no matter how much one observes the phenomenon under consideration (whereas one can reduce variance by observing more cases). Bias is also dangerous to the integrity, not just of statistics, but of the science of statistics itself, because people get the sense that "statistics are worthless." Also, bias can creep into statistics not just because of natural phenomena that interfere in some consistent way with the measurement of a variable, but because someone is manipulating the data for his/her own purposes.
Which is what we are saying, rather it’s the DOPS is consistent, or certain players/teams are treated differently. is based on the audience, and result
But you did bring up a key phrase: integrity of the statistics. As you know, when subjectivity, or “discression”, is a key, primary, or deciding factor, then the data becomes not about what, but about who.
As long as the NHL DOPS, officiating, etc. rely on discretion and interpretation, bias will be present and challenged. Which works very well for them, as it gives them free reign and “claim” integrity at the same time
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Well, Oshie got injured on the play. He and Kuzy are “day to day”, will not play tonight. The Caps have been fairly lucky the past several years injury wise, it’s now catching up to them