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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: Mickstix on Wednesday October 03, 2018, 04:13:19 PM Eastern
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Well, I predicted they'd throw the book at him and they did.. 20 fucking games!! :-\
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/10/03/tom-wilson-suspended-games-by-nhl-department-player-safety/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e739cad507fe (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/10/03/tom-wilson-suspended-games-by-nhl-department-player-safety/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e739cad507fe)
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Wow. That is a pretty big pill to swallow. I thought for sure 10 but double that is steep. It's the worst hit he has thrown no doubt but 20 games?
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If you listen to what the player safety department said it's hard to argue. This is his 4th suspension for hits to the head in the past 116 games which is the fastest rate of any player since the player safety department was started. We love him because he's ours but he's putting other players' careers and health at risk for no good reason. He needs to fucking grow up.
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Didn't think about it being a 1/4 of the season, but yea.. What a hit! :wackysmile: Not sure why you'd even do something like that in a preseason game, but it tells me it's something he wont be able to learn how NOT to do.. He'll probably do it again before the season ends and repeat..
Be funny if he ever got voted to the all star team and cleaned somebody out ala Sean Taylor.. :rofl:
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That's bull shit. They threw the book at him based on him being a repeat offender. If the league hadn't been picking on him to begin with he wouldn't be a repeat offender
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20 is a bit steep. I know Willy is a repeat offender, and I can grasp the reasoning put forth by DOPS in the escalation in the number, but I don't agree that the main point of contact was the head and that Willy targeted the head (or that he is solely responsible for the positioning, etc, etc)
I was expecting 10 games, but I am admittedly a homer, so....
I'm sure Cindy is happy. (and that's all that matters)
Fucking 20 games is season altering for the Caps.
I'm curious about what guys like Dale Hunter and Scott Stevens think about the current NHL and its direction. Somebody ask Alan May what he thinks of this.
Don't get me wrong, I mean Willy needs to curb this and the timing was epic stupid, and I'm not advocating head-hunting or deliberately trying to injure someone, but please don't take checking out of the game.
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what
the
fuck!
The Department of Player Marketing needs to get rid of the soy bots that infested it.
Let’s hope he wins in appeals
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From a blues fans' perspective.
This hit -imo- is the epitome of old time hockey which is sadly no longer allowed in this nhl.
My 1st reaction to the hit was "ooooohhhhh" followed by "gotta keep ur head up there oskar".
Then i heard about the meeting with the Dept of Safety and itbwas "a hit to the head" which i cannot for the life of me see that as a hit to the head.
Chris pronger and zdeno chara used to get elbowing penalties all the time, not due to the use of their elbows in their hits, but due to their height over the other players'.
I bring that example up as -again as a blues fan- this was a taller bigger (monster truck) player running into a honda civic that should never have been in the nhl in the 1st place (the blues REALLY tried to make this kid a 2nd liner for some reason)
Its 20 games because he is a repeat offender. Which is a shame. He is bigger and stronger than 90% of the guys in the league yet somehow its his fault they get hurt.
I get it. I do. He should let up, etc. Im not advocating for stretchers in every hit.
But when can we stop the victim blaming and start telling these players to keep their heads up, stay alert, dont turn into the check in the corners as it will be boarsing and much more painful etc.
Sigh. I digress.
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Daaaaaayum. Was thinking 10 games - 20 didn't even hit my radar.
It was a dumb, unnecessary hit in a preseason game........and it was a couple of inches away from being the best open ice hit we've seen in years. Wilson's hits have been borderline aggressive hits. Marchand's elbow to MoJo last year was f'n intentional, by a repeater offender, to the head, and he only got 5 games. If this is the first step in the DOPS cracking down on headshots, cheapshots, etc then so be it - by they sure as hell better throw the book at all the other "repeat offenders" and not just punish Wilson for being Wilson.
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20 is a bit steep. I know Willy is a repeat offender, and I can grasp the reasoning put forth by DOPS in the escalation in the number, but I don't agree that the main point of contact was the head and that Willy targeted the head (or that he is solely responsible for the positioning, etc, etc)
I was expecting 10 games, but I am admittedly a homer, so....
I'm sure Cindy is happy. (and that's all that matters)
Fucking 20 games is season altering for the Caps.
I'm curious about what guys like Dale Hunter and Scott Stevens think about the current NHL and its direction. Somebody ask Alan May what he thinks of this.
Don't get me wrong, I mean Willy needs to curb this and the timing was epic stupid, and I'm not advocating head-hunting or deliberately trying to injure someone, but please don't take checking out of the game.
Well, it is what it is. A few points:
(1) The hit was NOT blind side. He cut toward the middle, and Wilson was coming from basically the direction he was skating toward. Besides that, the video shows the player bracing just before Wilson hits him. He knew Wilson was coming. And Wilson did hit him from the side, not from behind.
(2) As I stated elsewhere, physics says that a lot of the force of the hit had to go to the side of his body, or he wouldn't have spun almost 360 degrees when Wilson hit him. I don't argue that Wilson got his head, but I don't think it was the main point of contact. However, "main" is a judgment call.
(3) I read a comment from another GM saying that Wilson deserved a long suspension. But he also said that if the Caps wanted to trade him there would be 30 GM's on the phone. And that's at $5 million + per year.
(4) This IS season-altering. With the tightness of the Metropolitan Division and the improvements of enough other clubs, it is quite possible that this single action could be the difference between the Caps making and not making the playoffs this season. And for those who would say, "just play through it," the Caps were 10 standings points from being out of the playoffs last season. That isn't a lot of wiggle room.
(5) Perhaps the alteration Wilson needs to make going forward is, instead of hitting players more straight up, he needs to lower his shoulder like a running back trying to finish a run, and hit his opponent in the chest or stomach. Heck, that might be more damaging than how he is now hitting, because his force would be more concentrated rather than "stretched out."
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Both of Willy’s preseason suspensions last year were for hits that happen damn near on a nightly basis, and the only reason he was suspended in the playoffs is partly the history of those two previous and because Shitsburgh jumped up and down and threw themselves on the floor(what a spoiled 5 year old does) about it. The Shitsburgh press were pretty much the only ones that thought Willy should’ve been suspended for an unfortunate hockey hit. Now, as I see it, Willy will be a target in an effort to get him off the ice because everyone knows his next bad hit/suspension will likely be his last. I’m looking forward now to several mediocre years from him just as we got from OV after the league unfairly targeted him.
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(5) Perhaps the alteration Wilson needs to make going forward is, instead of hitting players more straight up, he needs to lower his shoulder like a running back trying to finish a run, and hit his opponent in the chest or stomach. Heck, that might be more damaging than how he is now hitting, because his force would be more concentrated rather than "stretched out."
This IS the adjustment he needs to make. Make SURE the hits are through the "core" of the body. Stay away from the head -- I don't care if he's 6'4" -- he can get low when he hits.
And it will hurt not to have his energy but I don't think it is season altering. It would be if it happened 20 games in but not at the start -- they can adjust to this because teams don't get playing really physically until the standings start to sort out after the midpoint of the season.
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Well, if he doesn't learn this time his contract may go down as one of the worst ever. They'll have guy count in the cap that never plays. Like it or hate it today's NHL won't allow it so he HAS to adjust or may as well retire.
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20 games is excessive for a bad hit on a hockey play. It wasnt like he deliberately barracked someone from behind like Bertuzzi did. Yet the suspension is similar.
I'm pissed about the number if games he got but I'm also pissed at Wilson himself. He knows the league has their eye on him but he does this in a meaningless game. Not sure if you guys realize this but 3 of his 4 suspensions were on plays that happened during the preseason against the Blues.
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Both of Willy’s preseason suspensions last year were for hits that happen damn near on a nightly basis, and the only reason he was suspended in the playoffs is partly the history of those two previous and because Shitsburgh jumped up and down and threw themselves on the floor(what a spoiled 5 year old does) about it. The Shitsburgh press were pretty much the only ones that thought Willy should’ve been suspended for an unfortunate hockey hit. Now, as I see it, Willy will be a target in an effort to get him off the ice because everyone knows his next bad hit/suspension will likely be his last. I’m looking forward now to several mediocre years from him just as we got from OV after the league unfairly targeted him.
YOURE GOD DAMN RIGHT!!!!
How everyone is fuming with anger over this “predatory” supsension is humiliating!
This mean you TED!! Why doesn’t he stop counting his move and sipping soy milk and raise a fuckin assault on the NHL officers? Get on camera speaking out, vote against/for everything those assholes want and STAND UP FOR PLAYERS AND FANS FOR ONCE!!!
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YOURE GOD DAMN RIGHT!!!!
How everyone is fuming with anger over this “predatory” supsension is humiliating!
This mean you TED!! Why doesn’t he stop counting his move and sipping soy milk and raise a fuckin assault on the NHL officers? Get on camera speaking out, vote against/for everything those assholes want and STAND UP FOR PLAYERS AND FANS FOR ONCE!!!
Tariq was on with Chad Dukes a few minutes ago talking about it. Tariq is dumb as a rock. Thankfully Willy does have the opportunity to appeal this. Hopefully he has a spokesman that can articulate how he has been picked on. I don’t see the suspension going away, but it damn well should be reduced by at least half.
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The NHL isn't going back to what it was. Neither is the NFL. The pussification of the country and refusing to allow men to be men has infected sports. The players will have to adjust or they'll simply be kicked out of the league.
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The god damn NHL sucks. I missed the Blues game on Sunday. My stupid DVR recorded the NHL channel because in the guide it claimed it was showing the game, but the game was on another channel [FUCK COMCAST]. I just watched it today. I did not see that as a suspension. Tom was flying towards the play and that idiot Sundqvist cut across the ice right in front of him and did nothing to protect himself. Tom clearly spun in an attempt to NOT hurt him. As I said, the league is using this and Tom Wilson to support their anti-concussion lawsuit and public opinion. Tom Wilson is just a fucking pawn.
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Tariq was on with Chad Dukes a few minutes ago talking about it. Tariq is dumb as a rock. Thankfully Willy does have the opportunity to appeal this. Hopefully he has a spokesman that can articulate how he has been picked on. I don’t see the suspension going away, but it damn well should be reduced by at least half.
I think for his appeal to be successful they will need to gather up evidence of other similar hits and what the punishment was handed out. I also think they should point out that the league is focusing more on the injury sustained than the actual hit.
Ive seen worse hits than this one. Wilson shouldn't be penalized because he transfers more energy in a hit than all the pussys in this league.
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There is no question this was a bad hit by Willy, but 2 things: 1: if you’ve got to slow the film down to frame by frame and use a magnifying glass to find head contact, that’s BS. 2: and more importantly, if the league hadn’t already singled him out for being too physical in a physical game he wouldn’t have a history and be considered habitual. This is no different from when the league picked on OV for being too physical. The only difference, the ONLY difference, is OV is damn lucky he never broke someone’s jaw.
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The god damn NHL sucks. I missed the Blues game on Sunday. My stupid DVR recorded the NHL channel because in the guide it claimed it was showing the game, but the game was on another channel [FUCK COMCAST]. I just watched it today. I did not see that as a suspension. Tom was flying towards the play and that idiot Sundqvist cut across the ice right in front of him and did nothing to protect himself. Tom clearly spun in an attempt to NOT hurt him. As I said, the league is using this and Tom Wilson to support their anti-concussion lawsuit and public opinion. Tom Wilson is just a fucking pawn.
I'm not as bias as you on this. I'm fine with a suspension but 20 games is too much.
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I've watched the hit at least 40 times. It was a very ODD situation. I don't believe that Tom was targeting Sundqvist at all. That kid turned right into Willy's path and Tom obviously tried to minimize the impact IMO. I place much more fault in Sundqvist who seemed to have zero awareness, which as we all know is the number one killer of hockey players.
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The NHL isn't going back to what it was. Neither is the NFL. The pussification of the country and refusing to allow men to be men has infected sports. The players will have to adjust or they'll simply be kicked out of the league.
They will. We just need to be aggressive and quit given em money
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I've watched the hit at least 40 times. It was a very ODD situation. I don't believe that Tom was targeting Sundqvist at all. That kid turned right into Willy's path and Tom obviously tried to minimize the impact IMO. I place much more fault in Sundqvist who seemed to have zero awareness, which as we all know is the number one killer of hockey players.
This case is about as weak as it gets.
It would be plausible that the league is using 20 for PR and media hype because they know it’s weak, and will knock it down on appeal so they can “look charitable”
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and 20 games is a phukin joke, the punishment does not fit the crime. Even if he deserves the habitual tag.
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Does he have an actual chance at getting it reduced on appeal?
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So of the 20 games, I figure Wilson deserves 10 of it for the hit and the stupidity of doing it in the last preseason game.
Caps coaching deserves the other 10 for not telling him to not hit at all on the last game, or just not play him. Why take a chance on suspension or injury? He didn't need the time.
I don't think Wilson gets paid for the 20 games - correct? If so, that one hit, will cost him over a million bucks!!
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This case is about as weak as it gets.
It would be plausible that the league is using 20 for PR and media hype because they know it’s weak, and will knock it down on appeal so they can “look charitable”
I hope you are right. 20 games is a gross injustice IMO. I think the 5 minute major was excusable, but unwarranted. I don't believe any suspension was warranted.
Ask yourself, what could Willy possibly have done differently.
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Does he have an actual chance at getting it reduced on appeal?
yes, a very good chance. There is a direct appeal with Buttman, but if that doesn’t work there is also an arbitration appeal he can use
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The NHL isn't going back to what it was. Neither is the NFL. The pussification of the country and refusing to allow men to be men has infected sports. The players will have to adjust or they'll simply be kicked out of the league.
All the major sports have instituted rules in recent years to take danger out of games. In the NBA, the least violent league probably, there are the deliberate foul rules. In the NHL, it's all the new limits on type of hitting allowed and more restrictive rules on goalie interference. In baseball it's the tighter restrictions on throwing at hitters and the more restrictive rules regarding runner/fielder contact at 2B and home plate. In the NFL it's the more restrictive blocking rules and the rules to protect the QB. I think the players are in favor of it, and I think there is one overriding reason: As sports get more lucrative and player contracts across the board do also, organizations want to protect their investments and players want to protect what is now massive earning potential. It isn't a matter that players are wusses; they want to make sure they can get rich with the smallest possible chance of an injury spoiling the party.
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I've watched the hit at least 40 times. It was a very ODD situation. I don't believe that Tom was targeting Sundqvist at all. That kid turned right into Willy's path and Tom obviously tried to minimize the impact IMO. I place much more fault in Sundqvist who seemed to have zero awareness, which as we all know is the number one killer of hockey players.
I agree with Sundqvist being unaware. I have been arguing with some idiots on the HF boards about it. Those guys are clueless. They all think you should be able to dippsy doodle around with your head down without getting hit. Its hockey not figure skating.
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I hope you are right. 20 games is a gross injustice IMO. I think the 5 minute major was excusable, but unwarranted. I don't believe any suspension was warranted.
Ask yourself, what could Willy possibly have done differently.
The only thing he could have done was lower His body so contact wasnt so high.
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I hope you are right. 20 games is a gross injustice IMO. I think the 5 minute major was excusable, but unwarranted. I don't believe any suspension was warranted.
Ask yourself, what could Willy possibly have done differently.
well, i guess grab his while drinkin some soy milk while saying “Mr Bettman and Uncle Ted says that’s way it is”. . .
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When looking at the angle of the hit, it was very much like the hit that put Savard out of hockey (imho) so I understand the suspension. Though like many, the number of the games is a good deal off what it should be. Ten ... Fifteen at the very most, but not Twenty.
But my question is this; wtf are tall players supposed to do when making contact with smaller guys; double over? I mean, the area of contact will almost end up being high but of no fault what-so-ever to guys like Wilson. Its not like Pronger throwing out a chicken-wing (elbow) and taking someone's head off .... and then putting on a "I don't know what you're talking about" look on his face. From their side they are generally making a clean hit and I don't want to blame a guy either for being small; but isn't that why small guys (during the history of the sport) are generally frowned up?
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When looking at the angle of the hit, it was very much like the hit that put Savard out of hockey (imho) so I understand the suspension. Though like many, the number of the games is a good deal off what it should be. Ten ... Fifteen at the very most, but not Twenty.
But my question is this; wtf are tall players supposed to do when making contact with smaller guys; double over? I mean, the area of contact will almost end up being high but of no fault what-so-ever to guys like Wilson. Its not like Pronger throwing out a chicken-wing (elbow) and taking someone's head off .... and then putting on a "I don't know what you're talking about" look on his face. From their side they are generally making a clean hit and I don't want to blame a guy either for being small; but isn't that why small guys (during the history of the sport) are generally frowned up?
Its not like Wilson towers over everyone. Sundqvust isn't small. He is 6foot3
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If the NHL had any consistency and if Buttman had any balls, they'd be talking to Marchand tomorrow about a couple days off
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Marchand is a real honest to goodness piece of shit, so you can be sure his shit don't stink and he will get by all the flies untouched.
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Its not like Wilson towers over everyone. Sundqvust isn't small. He is 6foot3
True; I should have added to the size of some players the instances of when players reaching for pucks ... looking down at the puck, stuck in their feet ... ect. that puts their heads in risky areas, ripe to get his by a player that's even only standard NHL player.
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This IS the adjustment he needs to make. Make SURE the hits are through the "core" of the body. Stay away from the head -- I don't care if he's 6'4" -- he can get low when he hits.
And it will hurt not to have his energy but I don't think it is season altering. It would be if it happened 20 games in but not at the start -- they can adjust to this because teams don't get playing really physically until the standings start to sort out after the midpoint of the season.
Hey Apace.
I think your post hits the nail on the head! I certainly didn’t like the 20 gamer, but this is obviously a MESSAGE SENDER of a suspension, if there ever was one.
All here know I’m an NHL old schooler. I have wrestled emotionally with the watering down process, over the years, of the rules for player safety, watching helplessly, as the game gets softer and softer.
My point is that I love the old physical hockey, and gripe about the newer NHL.....BUT......in order for me to continue to enjoy the game the way it is now, I’ve gone through the reluctant process of having to ACCEPT, grudgingly, the new way. Why! Because they are enforcing them! I hate it, but there’s just no damn way around it anymore.
THEREFORE, if we old school fans have to accept it, then so does Willie. Because it’s now for him, down to whether he will PLAY or not, and contribute to the team! He must change his manner of approach when he’s going to lay a hit on somebody, PERIOD!
Agree also Apace, that his size is no excuse, at this point. This doesn’t mean it’s a not a FACTOR, it’s just something he has to accommodate for in his physical play! If Wilson is to take one thing out of the suspension, it should be the message that the onus is on him. Especially now!
I too am glad that it was at the beginning of the season and not later in the season. I will also hope that his appeal get some a few less games, if that appeal can come in a timely manner!
I know one thing, his presence was missed tonight in Shittsburg!
Rush
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When looking at the angle of the hit, it was very much like the hit that put Savard out of hockey (imho) so I understand the suspension. Though like many, the number of the games is a good deal off what it should be. Ten ... Fifteen at the very most, but not Twenty.
But my question is this; wtf are tall players supposed to do when making contact with smaller guys; double over? I mean, the area of contact will almost end up being high but of no fault what-so-ever to guys like Wilson. Its not like Pronger throwing out a chicken-wing (elbow) and taking someone's head off .... and then putting on a "I don't know what you're talking about" look on his face. From their side they are generally making a clean hit and I don't want to blame a guy either for being small; but isn't that why small guys (during the history of the sport) are generally frowned up?
Well said dpf, I hold the very same opinion. I don’t like the fact that larger physical guys for the team would have to find a way to “scrunch up“ for lack of better word, if they’re going to lay a hit on the smaller guy! My argument would be it’s not their fault that nature blessed them with a larger size!
The problem, and the suckey part, is that the DOPS I believe, is trying to communicate just that! So now it’s reduced down to guys not playing. And for longer periods of time, which cumulatively have definitive adverse affects on their team, as well as their careers. To me it definitely is not at all fair! Unfortunately I don’t think it’s changing anytime soon.
Good post dpf!
Rush
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All the major sports have instituted rules in recent years to take danger out of games. In the NBA, the least violent league probably, there are the deliberate foul rules. In the NHL, it's all the new limits on type of hitting allowed and more restrictive rules on goalie interference. In baseball it's the tighter restrictions on throwing at hitters and the more restrictive rules regarding runner/fielder contact at 2B and home plate. In the NFL it's the more restrictive blocking rules and the rules to protect the QB. I think the players are in favor of it, and I think there is one overriding reason: As sports get more lucrative and player contracts across the board do also, organizations want to protect their investments and players want to protect what is now massive earning potential. It isn't a matter that players are wusses; they want to make sure they can get rich with the smallest possible chance of an injury spoiling the party.
Hey Black
You quoted Kits post, and I must say I agree with his opinion.
You give a very well, mapped out, reasoning as to how we got to this point, in ALL the major sports. I join you in coming to those conclusions.
It really all hits at much larger philosophical questions about today’s society. An enormous subject, with a million different opinions to say the least.
It was only the last two sentences of your post that I see differently.
“It isn't a matter that players are wusses; they want to make sure they can get rich with the smallest possible chance of an injury spoiling the party.”
[/size]Ok, First let me just say that the font size changing when I copied your post was not intentional. I don’t know why that happened.
[/size]Anyway, let’s first use the NFL as an example. I Believe that we see a lot of players nowadays, who adopt playing in a manner “with the smallest possible chance of injury”, often play with less effort, energy, and attitude, as a “convenient” side affect! I think these two styles, can’t help but go hand-in-hand sometimes.
[/size]Practices are shorter in length of time, fundamentals receive far less emphasis, discipline is weak, full pad, or contact practices are rare. The Vince Lombardi days have been long gone. I agree with you that management is definitely trying to protect their investment by not exposing the player to as much physicality as before.
[/size]I hardly watch the NFL anymore. The true competitive fundamentals are so few and far between now. It just takes a lot of the punch out of the game.
[/size]I will definitely say it’s not all the fault of the players. But since we do have a small number of players that still play with a lot of integrity and respect for the fundamentals, and these guys usually are stand outs in the league, and not commonplace anymore. We still have a comparison then, that could be made. I would say that some of those players,Who may use the “protect the investment” argument to justify missed tackles, not getting back up off the ground as soon as you were able to still help participate in the play. These kind of guys are acting like wusses. It’s my opinion that this occurs with a much higher prevalence in today’s NFL than ever before. And I hate to say it’s not just in the sport of football!
[/size] If you want to good chuckle, hell, just put two NFL team photos side by side and compare them. One from the 70s, and one from 2017. Damn near half those players in the recent photos could also be on the front cover of GQ magazine! LOL
[/size] Respectively submitted,
[/size]Rush
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Yeah, I never said the players are or want to be a pussy. They are being FORCED to be and they have to adjust or suffer major suspensions or fines.
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Yeah, I never said the players are or want to be a pussy. They are being FORCED to be and they have to adjust or suffer major suspensions or fines.
Yeah, I do understand the difference you point out.
Wholeheartedly agree as to the pussification of our country. I would like to be optimistic that it may turn around some day, but I think the genie is already out of the bottle.
Rush
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Yeah, I do understand the difference you point out.
Wholeheartedly agree as to the pussification of our country. I would like to be optimistic that it may turn around some day, but I think the genie is already out of the bottle.
Rush
I like that word pussification. It describes our society perfectly.
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Any word on the appeal? When it'll happen, etc..
Oldie but goodie:
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Any word on the appeal? When it'll happen, etc..
Oldie but goodie:
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I'm sure Bettman will try to drag it out. That way if the suspension is reduced he will have served the majority of the 20 games.
That's what happened with Dennis Wideman. He won his appeal and the 20 game suspension was reduced to 10 but he had already served 19 games.
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Any word on the appeal? When it'll happen, etc..
Oldie but goodie:
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remember the story when Billy Martin got ejected and he put on the Marx glasses and went back in the dugout 🤣🤣🤣
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I personally love Tom Wilson and think the world of him. They only reason I go to OHL (major junior hockey in Ontario) is to see caps prospects. I went to see Willy, bura, Carlson along with eakin when he was out prospect in the memorial cup. That being said, he needs to pick his spots. I love the hit from an old school point of view but he simply can't do that especially in the preseason. A meaningless game and against a player that won't see much ice time unless st.louis has a pile of injuries. Had that been Sidney Crosby (not because I don't like him but they long term effect it could take on someone that we always face) then I'm ok with it. His suspension last year versus the Pens I feel was only implemented because of how much attention it got and his boarder line hit a few games prior. He's one of the only players in the league that can actually play an old school game as well as have the skill to be productive. I'd say the only power forward better than him would be Wayne simmonds and he'll be getting 8m a season salary wise when he becomes a free agent this summer. We need this guy on the ice as he should still be playing on the top line with Kuzy and Ovi. He's improved so much skill wise that he can play top line and be effective. As Kuznetsov gets more and more attention over how good he is, guys will start to take runs at him. Ovie isn't going to fight and we don't want him too but Wilson can be a safe guard for him as he becomes a premiere player in this league while still being a productive on the line. I honestly think Kuznetsov is the best player on our team and top 5 in the league. He should have won the conn smith trophy last year but the league wants to promote its main stars so they gave it to ovie like they did you Crosby when Phil kessel had earned it.
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So has there been any formal word on IF Willy is actually appealing this?
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Yes an appeal has been filed. It first goes to the commissioner and then he can appeal to a neutral arbiter. The problem as previously noted is that it drags on and by the time a neutral arbiter makes a decision he has served most of the suspension. However, if the arbiter does reduce the number of games he will get his salary for those games even though he didn’t play. I think the chance of Bettman reducing the suspension is zero so it really will be up to the arbiter.
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So basically it's about salary and not missing games.. Cause what if the suspension is 5 games and you want to appeal? No way you're getting that reduced if it takes a month to make it's way to an arbiter. You'd think the NHLPA would lobby for a faster process, but again, it's about money so as long as that gets settled I guess they don't really give a shit.. :-\
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I don't think this hit was really all that bad (not 20 games worthy)- the problem is the stupidity of the timing of it and all the Wilson circumstances. I mean it was a meaningless game and it with all his history and the (now four) suspensions in the last 100 games (or whatever) just fuels the argument that Willy wasn't getting it and he NEEDS a message sent. I don't think that is the case, but....
Just sucks for the Caps - I think Willy is a difference maker and this impacts more than just the first line. I think he really had a chance to make a bigger impact (no pun intended) this year.
Hope this gets settled and reduced to 10 games, but I don't see that happening.
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This appeal is about more than money and games missed. Yes if Wilson wins his appeal he may have already served the time but the league would be wrong. The only way I think he wins his appeal is if he has evidence of similar hits that were not punished.
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if something like this lands a player 20 games, hell, you might as well dress one or two 5’5” and shorter players. Every hit on them will be “high/targeting the head” . . . you’ll get a major and get an opponent a lengthy suspension with mimas cost.
I said the same thing anot football, line up run a <5’5” player that can catch an NFL pass in the slot, send him on slant route, it’ll be an automatic 1st +15, ejection and suspension.
Maybe it’s a tad brutal, or even bush league, but if ‘dems the rules’, manipulate em to your advantage
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The problem is the guy Wilson destroyed was 6foot3. He did gave his head down. I have noticed that Wilson does elevate his body during a hit. He has to change that. It is still a suspension worthy hit. Not 20 games worthy.
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So has there been any formal word on IF Willy is actually appealing this?
Suspension appeals in sports are usually automatic through the players union per CBA rules
and I'd bet a large sum of money on Buttman intentionally dragging his feet on this so Willy serves a big part of this even when the appeal is successful
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Last year in preseason Wily got suspended twice, once for 1 preseason game and once for the first 4 games of the season.
the first one for 1 game, forgot it was were he decked Jashin ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mL5e_BEVFT8 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mL5e_BEVFT8)
the second hit for 4 games, which happens about once a week during regular season. I don't seem to recall anyone else getting suspended for it last year.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhP6YbpZ5E&t=17s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhP6YbpZ5E&t=17s)
the Ashton Reese hit, which was beaten to death here a couple months ago. In the league explanation they pretty much said Willy didn't do anything wrong, but still got suspended for hitting to hard, that and shitsburgh cried about it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_AecPdhWD5Y (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_AecPdhWD5Y)
the recient Sunquist hit...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUJ9dtEf1I (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUJ9dtEf1I)
Willy shouldn't have been trying this in preseason but he only plays at one speed. I can't really fault him for that. looking at last seasons hits, and the league clearly picking on him, there is no way he should have the habitual tag, which is what got him 20. Beyond that, the DPoS has been highly inconsistent when handing down suspensions. I'm posting these to refresh memories and to compare with the hits we will see throughout the league this year, we will see who gets suspended for what, but I suspect there won't be any
I don't see this much differently from when the league picked on OV for playing too physically and suspended him twice. Am I wrong?
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The NHLPA did the automatic appeal. As I noted, I'm sure it's part of every sports CBA. And Willy is in Europe playing right now, to keep his legs and to get away from the media
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The NHLPA did the automatic appeal. As I noted, I'm sure it's part of every sports CBA. And Willy is in Europe playing right now, to keep his legs and to get away from the media
I don’t know whether you were speaking in jest when you said Willy was playing in Europe but in fact Wilson is able to and does practice with the team. He does extra work with the players who are going to be scratched.
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I don’t know whether you were speaking in jest when you said Willy was playing in Europe but in fact Wilson is able to and does practice with the team. He does extra work with the players who are going to be scratched.
They said last night during the game Willy is or is going to play in Europe for a few games, I don't DVR the games so I can't go back and look
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I'd be surprised if Willy goes to Europe and plays. Why would Caps allow that? What if he is injured?
I DID hear during the broadcast that Nate Schmidt was playing in Europe during is "substance abuse" suspension.
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They said last night during the game Willy is or is going to play in Europe for a few games, I don't DVR the games so I can't go back and look
He is in the process of appealing his suspension. He can't go to Europe. They said Schmidt was over in Europe practicing with the Vienna Capitals. I never heard them say anything about Wilson going to Europe.
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I'd be surprised if Willy goes to Europe and plays. Why would Caps allow that? What if he is injured?
I DID hear during the broadcast that Nate Schmidt was playing in Europe during is "substance abuse" suspension.
well, I was doing three things at once. Thought it was Willy they were talking about going to Europe.
One of these days I will get a DVR....
ETA... I got a replay of that conversation, they were talking about Willy and Schmidt in the same sentence, during the game I missed the part where they added Schmidt to the conversation
and WTF is the difference between what if Willy gets hurt if he did the same or if Schmidt gets hurt over there
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well, I was doing three things at once. Thought it was Willy they were talking about going to Europe.
One of these days I will get a DVR
and WTF is the difference between what if Willy gets hurt if he did the same or if Schmidt gets hurt over there
Yeah, I kind of figured when I saw your post.
I was also surprised to hear that about Schmitty. I was wondering the same thing - whether it's conditioning or Olympics or whatever...what IF a player gets hurt "playing" for another team.
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Willys appeal is today...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/10/13/tom-wilson-have-appeal-hearing-with-nhl-commissioner-thursday/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ef3eb77d0da7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/10/13/tom-wilson-have-appeal-hearing-with-nhl-commissioner-thursday/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ef3eb77d0da7)
if it doesn’t go well he will have 14 games left
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Am I the only one that see the league dragging its feet on the appeal hearing? The league knows a suspension appeal is automatically filed by the NHLPA per CBA rules, yet it takes 15 days for that to happen.
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Am I the only one that see the league dragging its feet on the appeal hearing? The league knows a suspension appeal is automatically filed by the NHLPA per CBA rules, yet it takes 15 days for that to happen.
Im surprised there isn't a clause or something about letting the player play, if they chose, until appeals are heard? But like I said before, I think it's about money more than anything, so even if he sits all 20 and then gets reduced to 10, he'll get the $ and that's what all the NHLPA cares about..
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Just saw on twitter, the meeting started at 11am.. It was still going on at 3:30pm and it's now 5:30pm, with no news if it's still going on or ended or? :cross:
Are these things usually all day marathons?
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Wilson's hearing lasted 7 hours. I guess Bettman is going to look through everything over the weekend and have an answer midweek. This entire process is a joke. Bettman shouldn't even be involved. Any appeal should go straight to an arbitrator.
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Wilson's hearing lasted 7 hours. I guess Bettman is going to look through everything over the weekend and have an answer midweek.
I saw that too.. Needs to "read the transcripts" over the weekend, then give a rule mid week.. lol Bettman's a fucktard.
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I think they intentional drag it out because they know it will go to arbitrator and take another two weeks after they have already stalled for two weeks and by the time the arbitrator rules on it - its already done.
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This whole thing really pisses me off. Not just the NHL dithering, more so the lack of judgement by Willy.
I can understand the NHL's stance - to a certain degree, but yhey should just make a decision already.
TBH, I'm more upset with Willy.
He knows he's a marked man by the refs. He KNOWS! Ovi is the same. Marked and always watched very carefully. Ovi has had some pretty .... meh.... how to put it: - borderline (?) plays in his career, but he cleaned them up. Holy crap, he gets an outomatic suspension if he tucks his shirt in his corset, even though other players, even in his own team are allowed to do it. Stupid, stupid, stupid, I know. Exactly. But that's the way it is. Ovi has adapted and has become, not just one of the best scorers generationally, but one of the best scorers of all time, in spite of all the NHL's BS.
Willy worries me now. He has such a huge target on him. He has had for a while. He KNOWS this! The O'Hallorans, the O'Rourkes and the like, who do the opposite of giving him the benefit of the doubt and even seem to fabricate misdemeanors, they must be laughing their heads off now. Willy has absolutely NOT deserved everything he's got.
However.
He KNOWS he's a marked man and to do something as reckless as this was just plain stupid. When is he going to bloody well learn?Other teams can just glide by him now, blow him kisses and there's nothing he can do about it.
A few years ago, someone was banned from the NHL. I can't remember who, but it was because of too many suspensions, I believe. A lifetime ban. I'm sure I read that somewhere. ... ?
I think the 20 games is excessive, expecially considering many of his penalties were bogus. Maybe that's what the NHL is trying to determine?
Whilst he's on his holidays, I hope Willy grows another brain cell. (Ō_ƆŎ)
(Preferably somewhere more north of his current hemishpere.).
Just sayin
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My guess is that Bettman will drag this out long enough that Willy sits the full 20 regardless of what happens with the appeal.
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yep, that’s the consensus
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And Buttman won't reduce the suspension. Not surprised.
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/10/25/gary-bettman-upholds-tom-wilsons-20-game-suspension/
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Surprise, surprise.
F'n buttman never had any intent to reduce it. Wonder if winning the cup factored into Buttman's bias?
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Fucking Bettman is a douche bag. I described the incident and saw it exactly the way Tom and his team presented it as seen in the document Bettman released.
Sundqvist is a pansy ass that has no business playing in the NHL. He's been making pathetic snowflake remarks for the past few weeks trying to garner negative sentiment for Wilson. I'd love to smack him in the mouth and force him to dine on HRC's camel toe. (Sorry ladies)
I never have seen Tom Wilson as a dirty player, and I've watched every game he's played in the NHL. The league is using him as their poster boy for virtue signaling and claiming they are doing all they can to battle the risks of head trauma all to fend off future claims against them. Meanwhile it remains perfectly legal and acceptable for players to drop their gloves and send roundhouse punches to each others' noggins until one falls to the ice. Hypocrisy at its finest.
The only head hunters here are in the league's front office and in the zebra suits.
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It's too bad nobody will press Bettman on what should happen when a player comes across the ice with their head down.. Not sure how someone of Wilson's size is supposed to check them w/o making "some" contact with their head.. I guess it's a free pass to not get checked? :poop:
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Fucking Bettman is a douche bag. I described the incident and saw it exactly the way Tom and his team presented it as seen in the document Bettman released.
Sundqvist is a pansy ass that has no business playing in the NHL. He's been making pathetic snowflake remarks for the past few weeks trying to garner negative sentiment for Wilson. I'd love to smack him in the mouth and force him to dine on HRC's camel toe. (Sorry ladies)
I never have seen Tom Wilson as a dirty player, and I've watched every game he's played in the NHL. The league is using him as their poster boy for virtue signaling and claiming they are doing all they can to battle the risks of head trauma all to fend off future claims against them. Meanwhile it remains perfectly legal and acceptable for players to drop their gloves and send roundhouse punches to each others' noggins until one falls to the ice. Hypocrisy at its finest.
The only head hunters here are in the league's front office and in the zebra suits.
This is exactly what I expected from Buttman. He may as well appeal this too. Its almost seems like a waste of time. Even if he wins the appeal he will serve the 20 games.
I think we all agree that Wilson crosses the line with some hits but he is not a dirty player. He is physical, plays fast and plays with an edge but he doesnt intentionally try to injure players.
A couple of days ago Mark Borowiecki got a 1 game suspension for a vicious elbow to the face of Vaakanainen. I dont care if its his first offence or not. The elbow was intentional. I can't figure out how the NHL decides what disciplinary action should be taken for each offense. Wilson get 20 games, the next guy get 1 or Marchand gets only 5 for a vicious elbow that resulted in a concussion and that was his 6th suspension. There is a check to the head in almost every game that is played but 95% of them aren't even reviewed. Probably because the player wasnt injured. The NHL is a fucking joke.
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ain't nothin I can add that hasn't been said, other than I've lost some respect for league management
alright, I've lost a lot of respect, as if it was possible at this point
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This whole thing really pisses me off. Not just the NHL dithering, more so the lack of judgement by Willy.
I can understand the NHL's stance - to a certain degree, but yhey should just make a decision already.
TBH, I'm more upset with Willy.
He knows he's a marked man by the refs. He KNOWS! Ovi is the same. Marked and always watched very carefully. Ovi has had some pretty .... meh.... how to put it: - borderline (?) plays in his career, but he cleaned them up. Holy crap, he gets an outomatic suspension if he tucks his shirt in his corset, even though other players, even in his own team are allowed to do it. Stupid, stupid, stupid, I know. Exactly. But that's the way it is. Ovi has adapted and has become, not just one of the best scorers generationally, but one of the best scorers of all time, in spite of all the NHL's BS.
Willy worries me now. He has such a huge target on him. He has had for a while. He KNOWS this! The O'Hallorans, the O'Rourkes and the like, who do the opposite of giving him the benefit of the doubt and even seem to fabricate misdemeanors, they must be laughing their heads off now. Willy has absolutely NOT deserved everything he's got.
However.
He KNOWS he's a marked man and to do something as reckless as this was just plain stupid. When is he going to bloody well learn?Other teams can just glide by him now, blow him kisses and there's nothing he can do about it.
A few years ago, someone was banned from the NHL. I can't remember who, but it was because of too many suspensions, I believe. A lifetime ban. I'm sure I read that somewhere. ... ?
I think the 20 games is excessive, expecially considering many of his penalties were bogus. Maybe that's what the NHL is trying to determine?
Whilst he's on his holidays, I hope Willy grows another brain cell. (Ō_ƆŎ)
(Preferably somewhere more north of his current hemishpere.).
Just sayin
I'll tell you why I think Wilson did what he did re: Sundqvist. Look at the tape. Sundqvist is coming down the wing and suddenly cuts toward the center of the ice. Meanwhile, Wilson is coasting diagonally from near center ice toward his defensive zone, reading the play. He isn't skating pell-mell toward Sundqvist with the intent of flattening him -- he's coasting. All of a sudden, in the space of a second, Sundqvist is right in his sights. Yes, it is always possible that Wilson could have gone to some lengths to avoid him. But that isn't in his DNA. When an opportunity to get in a perfectly legal hit (and the NHL made it clear that Sundqvist was eligible to be checked on that play) presents itself, a guy like Wilson is going to take it. If Sundqvist had continued down the wing rather than cutting to the center of the ice this check never would have happened.
Now please understand, by saying this I'm not trying to blame Sundqvist in any way. Obviously, he has a right to skate wherever he wants on the ice. What I AM saying is that this was no premeditated kill shot by a predatory Tom Wilson, as his detractors would want to claim. It was a hockey circumstance that came up virtually in an instant, in a way that happens countless times every game, which gave a guy who likes the hitting part of the game an opportunity which he had to decide in a split second whether or not to take. Knowing Tom Wilson, we all KNOW what decision he's going to make, preseason, regular season, postseason -- it doesn't matter. One thing Tom Wilson does -- he plays the game he knows. Wilson hit him in what even the league admits was a legitimate hockey play. It turned out to be a hockey play that went bad, and the League's take on Wilson right now is that he is not allowed to have any hockey plays he makes go bad. He is in one-strike-and-you're-out territory, literally.
If Tom Wilson wants to continue playing a physical game (which I cannot imagine him not wanting to do), then he is going to have to adjust his hitting so that there is no chance he makes anything that could be construed as primary contact with an opponent's head (which I'm not sure was the primary point of the Sundqvist contact based on the physics of what happened afterward, as I discussed elsewhere). One thing he could do is, when he hits someone, to lower his shoulder like an NFL running back "finishing a run." I just don't want to hear the NHL complain if he does that and some opponent is out for the rest of the season with broken ribs.
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I'll tell you why I think Wilson did what he did re: Sundqvist. Look at the tape. Sundqvist is coming down the wing and suddenly cuts toward the center of the ice. Meanwhile, Wilson is coasting diagonally from near center ice toward his defensive zone, reading the play. He isn't skating pell-mell toward Sundqvist with the intent of flattening him -- he's coasting. All of a sudden, in the space of a second, Sundqvist is right in his sights. Yes, it is always possible that Wilson could have gone to some lengths to avoid him. But that isn't in his DNA. When an opportunity to get in a perfectly legal hit (and the NHL made it clear that Sundqvist was eligible to be checked on that play) presents itself, a guy like Wilson is going to take it. If Sundqvist had continued down the wing rather than cutting to the center of the ice this check never would have happened.
Now please understand, by saying this I'm not trying to blame Sundqvist in any way. Obviously, he has a right to skate wherever he wants on the ice. What I AM saying is that this was no premeditated kill shot by a predatory Tom Wilson, as his detractors would want to claim. It was a hockey circumstance that came up virtually in an instant, in a way that happens countless times every game, which gave a guy who likes the hitting part of the game an opportunity which he had to decide in a split second whether or not to take. Knowing Tom Wilson, we all KNOW what decision he's going to make, preseason, regular season, postseason -- it doesn't matter. One thing Tom Wilson does -- he plays the game he knows. Wilson hit him in what even the league admits was a legitimate hockey play. It turned out to be a hockey play that went bad, and the League's take on Wilson right now is that he is not allowed to have any hockey plays he makes go bad. He is in one-strike-and-you're-out territory, literally.
If Tom Wilson wants to continue playing a physical game (which I cannot imagine him not wanting to do), then he is going to have to adjust his hitting so that there is no chance he makes anything that could be construed as primary contact with an opponent's head (which I'm not sure was the primary point of the Sundqvist contact based on the physics of what happened afterward, as I discussed elsewhere). One thing he could do is, when he hits someone, to lower his shoulder like an NFL running back "finishing a run." I just don't want to hear the NHL complain if he does that and some opponent is out for the rest of the season with broken ribs.
Fantastic comment on the overall Wilson picture, Black!
I agree about the way Wilson is wired. Also agree that his intention is NOT to cause injury.
Many of his “suspension” hits have truly been borderline, marked by last second posture changes by the unfortunate opponent on the receiving end, with Willy attempting a legal hit!
It’s right of you to point out his “one strike” situation now, with NHL officials.
He’s a decent and big guy, trying to play within the rules, wired for a tough physical game, but who MUST recognize the predicament he is in!
Unfortunately, It will require a change, by him, in both self awareness, and technique. A tall order, for a guy wired in the way we like to see hockey played!
I hope he “gets it” sooner than later!
Good post, Black!
Rush
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The NHL, and particularly NBC, has had it out for Wilson since year one. Theyve had a narrative about what a “dangerous and dirty” player he is since he was rookie.
The past history is bull shit, the so called hit is bullshit, the injury is bull shit, this about the narrative about Tom Wilson and The NHL wants to market how good(crooked) the is at “punishing bad guys and cleaning(fagging) up the game”
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So, next Wednesday (Oct 31st) is the appeal to a "Neutral Arbitrator" Any idea how long "they" take to rule?? Looks like game 10 is tomorrow, then a 4 day break, then appx. 19 more days until the last 10 games (of the suspension) are played.. Unless they really REALLY want to fuck with him, he should know something long before the 20 game are up? 10 games/time served, see ya in Montreal, sounds good to me! :wackysmile:
https://novacapsfans.com/2018/10/26/tom-wilson-files-an-appeal-to-a-neutral-arbitrator-hearing-to-take-place-on-wednesday/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2018/10/26/tom-wilson-files-an-appeal-to-a-neutral-arbitrator-hearing-to-take-place-on-wednesday/)
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The NHL, and particularly NBC, has had it out for Wilson since year one. Theyve had a narrative about what a “dangerous and dirty” player he is since he was rookie.
The past history is bull shit, the so called hit is bullshit, the injury is bull shit, this about the narrative about Tom Wilson and The NHL wants to market how good(crooked) the is at “punishing bad guys and cleaning(fagging) up the game”
They have it in for Wilson because they dont want physical play in the NHL. The NHL has become nothing but whiny bitches. This generation of players are nothing but pussys. Every year there is less physicality in the league. The league is full of pussys that skate down the middle of the ice with their heads down doing toedrags and spin moves. These players are able to do this because no one will hit them. Tom Wilson is the one disruptive force that is getting in the way of the new Pussy Hockey League. The NHL is becoming hard to watch. That game against Edmonton and the game against Vancouver were fucking boring. Tortarella comments about the new NHL is 100% correct.
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They have it in for Wilson because they dont want physical play in the NHL. The NHL has become nothing but whiny bitches. This generation of players are nothing but pussys. Every year there is less physicality in the league. The league is full of pussys that skate down the middle of the ice with their heads down doing toedrags and spin moves. These players are able to do this because no one will hit them. Tom Wilson is the one disruptive force that is getting in the way of the new Pussy Hockey League. The NHL is becoming hard to watch. That game against Edmonton and the game against Vancouver were fucking boring. Tortarella comments about the new NHL is 100% correct.
Holy crap - could’ve sworn I was reading a post from DC.
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Holy crap - could’ve sworn I was reading a post from DC.
Sorry for the rant. I'm giving the new style of play a fair chance. I'm fine with the speed of the game. I'm fine with puck moving dmen. But the lack of physical play and defensive hockey I'm having a problem with. Wtf is a guy like Djoos even doing in the NHL? He is the softest defenceman in the NHL. Watch the guy in a battle along the boards. He will back away and then try to stick check. Use your fucking body. The whole league is going in this direction.
I really dont like the direction our team is headed with offense only system. Our forwards have been leaving the zone early to try creating more offensive chances but vat the expense of the defense. And we are even putting our offensive minded players on the pk. Well that move isnt really working. Our pk sucks.
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Sorry for the rant. I'm giving the new style of play a fair chance. I'm fine with the speed of the game. I'm fine with puck moving dmen. But the lack of physical play and defensive hockey I'm having a problem with. Wtf is a guy like Djoos even doing in the NHL? He is the softest defenceman in the NHL. Watch the guy in a battle along the boards. He will back away and then try to stick check. Use your fucking body. The whole league is going in this direction.
I really dont like the direction our team is headed with offense only system. Our forwards have been leaving the zone early to try creating more offensive chances but vat the expense of the defense. And we are even putting our offensive minded players on the pk. Well that move isnt really working. Our pk sucks.
Patience, Maaco. October isn't even over yet. We have to see how this shakes out over the longer term. If forwards are leaving the zone earlier, it may be because the new coaching team is instructing them to do it that way. Or maybe they are asking the players to be A BIT more aggressive in leaving the zone and some players are overreacting. The level of chance-taking can be adjusted as the season goes along. As for the offensive-minded players on the PK, (1) Reirden said he wanted to try that; and (2) With Beagle no longer around and Wilson suspended major PK minutes among the forwards have to be covered somehow, and Dowd is no Beagle on the PK. Some of this will straighten out when Wilson returns.
I am looking forward to seeing Bowey on the back line in place of Djoos. Beyond the need to upgrade size-wise, Bowey IS a natural RH, right-side defenseman, so it's good to have a 3rd one in the lineup. And beyond that, it does Bowey no good to be sitting on the sidelines for game after game. He needs to play.
The biggest problem I have with the modern game is that it seems so scattershot at times. There are fewer passes connecting, much of the play is designed around moving the puck to open space and having people chase it, and it seems as though sometimes during the game the puck will be pinballing in the neutral zone for minutes at a time. The game looks and feels much less organized to me.
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Agree that our problems this year are more coaching than personnel.
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So, WHEN does this 3rd party arbitration process actually begin?
I mean I know the NHL wants to drag it out as long as possible, but isn't a neutral third party, supposed to be neutral? And shouldn't the players union be screaming bloody murder about the obvious delay tactics involved?
I'm not expecting it to happen overnight, but honestly, you know it was coming, and once it begins, exactly how long does it take to review? How much time do you think is reasonable to assign an arbitrator and then to have that arbitrator review tape? Even if you review tape for three days and take three days to decide, you should be able to wrap it up in a week. (Well, you SHOULD be able to wrap it up in day or two)
Why does this process take so long other then intentional delay?. And how does that help the image of the NHL? It's supposed to be about player safety, not politics. Delaying and delaying does NOT help player safety, it only drags out the process and makes the NHL look like petty sore whiney bosses who know they are up to somethings. This is bad for all parties involved. Just creates animosity between NHL management and the players and the union and the teams AND THE FANS.
I mean the DPS took what, 3 days to make the initial suspension? By NHL taking three weeks, it just makes the DPS look inadequate. Are you (NHL) saying you believe the DPS is not competent, and not as thorough in their review and assessment? Or are you saying you (NHL) require three times as much time to review the DPS decision because YOU are not competent?
I mean if its twenty games, so be it, but it SHOULD NOT TAKE 20 games to decide it's twenty games. You are making a mockery of the process and thereby invalidating it.
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So, WHEN does this 3rd party arbitration process actually begin?
Wednesday. No clue how long it takes to complete.
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Wednesday. No clue how long it takes to complete.
I figure it will take another week after that. This whole appeal system is a fucking joke. It should go straight to an arbitrator.
I'm pissed about Wilson committing this infraction. What pisses me off even more though is that the league isnt treating all hits the same. There are a lot of illegal hits go the head going unpunished.
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Sorry for the rant. I'm giving the new style of play a fair chance. I'm fine with the speed of the game. I'm fine with puck moving dmen. But the lack of physical play and defensive hockey I'm having a problem with. Wtf is a guy like Djoos even doing in the NHL? He is the softest defenceman in the NHL. Watch the guy in a battle along the boards. He will back away and then try to stick check. Use your fucking body. The whole league is going in this direction.
I really dont like the direction our team is headed with offense only system. Our forwards have been leaving the zone early to try creating more offensive chances but vat the expense of the defense. And we are even putting our offensive minded players on the pk. Well that move isnt really working. Our pk sucks.
Hell, buddy, I feel a lot of us “old schoolers” have already given the new hockey a fair chance!
For those of us longer term hockey fans, who’ve been fortunate enough to witness plenty of old-school hockey, back in the day, it’s been a long suffering, and frustrating ride, watching the slo-mo erosion of both physicality, and fundamentals, from our once beloved NHL hockey games!
For me personally, the dilemma comes from two, main, contradictory thoughts, that often alternate occupancy in my brain, while watching an NHL game these days!
One side has hope for the game, watching with intense scrutiny, looking for little tidbits and proofs of gritty play, teamwork, hustle, and man to man physical competition! It sure soothes the soul!
The other side watches with a feeling of being “duped”, being forced into a choice of either grudgingly accepting what is now offered as the new NHL hockey “product”, OR, giving a fat middle finger to the entire thing, in the same philosophy as not accepting or purchasing an inferior product!
I resent having to accept this softer game, but on balance, it’s still better than no hockey, and lets be honest, Caps winning the Stanley, DOES help the situation, for me!👍
I’ve sadly, over the years, let go of the NBA, and MLB. The NFL is right on the edge of losing me too! Believe me, I’m quite aware of my insignificance, and ability to affect any real change. I’m just an older guy trying to preserve my peace of mind! LOL
FWIW, Maaco
Rush
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If fans really wanted to see naive, no hit, no fight, goalie humiliation 6-5 games, every rec and pond league would be packed, and college hockey would get as much air time as college football. But ya don’t see that happening.
This fag-style game, which is being benefited by the climate of the lunatic left, is a bubble scheme that won’t last. Sure you’ll have the zealots that blindly follow Mr Buttman because he’s the commissioner, and you have your 12yos who are scared of violence and like seeing “video games come to life”, but they cannot and will not support it with you dollars as people get bored with this shit and quit coming, watching, and spending like most of are doing and have.
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If fans really wanted the to naive, no hit, no fight, goalie humiliation 6-5 games, every rec and pond league would be packed, and college hockey would get as much air time as college football. But ya don’t see that happening.
Yep, that's why they selectively choose who they're going to "punish" (ie: Big Bad Evil Mean Tom Wilson) They could end the head hits and concussion threat almost instantly if they wanted to, but they know the ratings and ticket sales would plummet.. (see: NoFunLeague)
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Yep, that's why they selectively choose who they're going to "punish" (ie: Big Bad Evil Mean Tom Wilson) They could end the head hits and concussion threat almost instantly if they wanted to, but they know the ratings and ticket sales would plummet.. (see: NoFunLeague)
The NFL's ticket sales have plummeted because of the spoiled rich athletes protesting during the anthem. Which oddly is yet one more thing the media in this country has perpetuated. Before kaeperdick started taking a knee while wearing his cops are pigs socks, the broadcasts never showed the anthem ceremony except for the super bowl. Only after the stupid protests started did the media start showing it on tv. The players then jumping up and down and throwing themselves on the floor over the leagues meager attempt to institute the same rule the nba has had for 20 years didn't help either. The protests have largely disappeared this year, though not entirely, because tv said they would stop showing it on tv
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That's true! But their ratings and attendance had already started down hill years before that, when they ruled you can no longer: hit the qb, hit a defenseless receiver, make head contact, this is a catch but that's not, the ball broke the plane but you didn't buy a ticket, we're charging you for that extra bad of luggage, etc.. :rofl:
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That's true! But their ratings and attendance had already started down hill years before that, when they ruled you can no longer: hit the qb, hit a defenseless receiver, make head contact, this is a catch but that's not, the ball broke the plane but you didn't buy a ticket, we're charging you for that extra bad of luggage, etc.. :rofl:
As saying goes: Get Woke Go Broke
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four years of high school and two years of college football, I recall being fairly proud of the gouge marks in my helmet. Those came from leading with the head, which even back then we were told not to do, wink wink, because if you keep leading with your head I'm gonna half to keep telling you not too
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That's true! But their ratings and attendance had already started down hill years before that, when they ruled you can no longer: hit the qb, hit a defenseless receiver, make head contact, this is a catch but that's not, the ball broke the plane but you didn't buy a ticket, we're charging you for that extra bad of luggage, etc.. :rofl:
Hilarious Mick! It’s stunning to see how the overall demise is totally interconnected, over time!
So many common threads through all of our major sports!
Media now seems to spend SO much airtime, continually attempting to “re-educate” us, (mostly the older crowd), as to what defines “GOOD PLAY”, or performance! Hell, just pick any of the major sports!
[size=78%] When that fails/failed, they turn to unnecessary drama creation. Hyping up the significance of any game situation, in order to make the ordinary look special! This, in turn, elevates a good play, to the spectacular, and a weekly excellent play, to damn near HISTORIC! It’s as shameful as it is painfully obvious![/size]
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This dynamic in sports media, inherently depends on the younger crowds lack of past sports reference, The koolaid is drank, and the media is all too happy, every season, to mix powder, sugar, and water, in slighter, subtle dilution, year by year by ever-souring year!!
Ok, enough rant again. Gotta get un-frustrated before Montréal this Thursday!
Rush
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Hilarious Mick! It’s stunning to see how the overall demise is totally interconnected, over time!
So many common threads through all of our major sports!
Media now seems to spend SO much airtime, continually attempting to “re-educate” us, (mostly the older crowd), as to what defines “GOOD PLAY”, or performance! Hell, just pick any of the major sports!
[size=78%] When that fails/failed, they turn to unnecessary drama creation. Hyping up the significance of any game situation, in order to make the ordinary look special! This, in turn, elevates a good play, to the spectacular, and a weekly excellent play, to damn near HISTORIC! It’s as shameful as it is painfully obvious![/size]
This dynamic in sports media, inherently depends on the younger crowds lack of past sports reference, The koolaid is drank, and the media is all too happy, every season, to mix powder, sugar, and water, in slighter, subtle dilution, year by year by ever-souring year!!
Ok, enough rant again. Gotta get un-frustrated before Montréal this Thursday!
Rush
at some point, (female) stripper figure skating would be more exciting and get better ratings
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at some point, (female) stripper figure skating would be more exciting and get better ratings
yea, that point was ten years ago :wackysmile:
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at some point, (female) stripper figure skating would be more exciting and get better ratings
LMAO!
But you may be onto something, DC! Hell, let’s go for it!
Ok so a stripper on the ice!.....I say at intermission between 1st/2nd, OR 2nd/3rd! She carries an oversized paddling board, (ya know, used back in the day, in elementary school. The kind with holes drilled in it)!
Ok, then the home team player with the most wimpy type play, for that period, judged by a designated official, has to come out of the locker room, stand in front of the sin bin door, and touch his toes, bending over.
Simultaneously above, the big screen shows the replay of said offense. Stripper girl then skates up, with paddle in hand, and deals out the whacks! The crowd counts them off, 1, 2, 3, (three being the max). Player skates back to locker room: LESSON LEARNED! Oh yeah, has to be done after Mites on Ice. Can’t get rid of that! LOL
Like you famously point out, DC....”MORE FOR YOUR HOCKEY ENTERTAINMENT DOLLAR”!!😆😅
(Ok, I admit, these schedule breaks are tough on the mind)!
Rush
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So, it's day 5 since the "Neutral Arbitrator" heard the case.. When do we expect (ie: guess) they'll get around to making a decision?
A) This week
B) Next
C) Thanksgiving
D) Christmas
E) Trade Deadline
F) Next season
G) Prolly just sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again.. Until he makes another questionable hit.
:wackysmile:
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I heard or read somewhere that a decision is expected to come down this week. I hope so and if the suspension is reduced to 14 or 15 games as some people have speculated he could be playing by the end of the week. That would be super. We can definitely use him.
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As I noted during Saturday's game, they played an interview with Koken during the 2nd intermission on the radio, even Koken thinks the appeal, Buttmans review and now the arbitration is being "slow rolled" on purpose
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At this point, if they announce it this week AND it is 15 games or less, I'll be ecstatic.
Everyone knows they are slow-rolling, it but by now, IF the arbitrator has any stones and IF the arbitrator is acutally neutral, then He/She SHOULD reduce it to 15.
Everyone should be okay with that....
- NHL get's there point across and successfully dragged it out to 75% of their ridiculous suspension
- Arbitrator appears as if they did due diligence and the proper justice was served
- Caps get Wilson back in less than the original suspension
- Wilson gets some of the sentence shaved (and some of his paycheck back)
- Caps fans get to see someone on the ice besides Ovie actually check someone (we hope, anyways)
I think arbitrator HAS TO reduce the original suspension or it will tell EVERYONE the ENTIRE process is a joke.
Of course what I think really doesn't matter, but I sure would like to see my Big Willy playing hard again :P
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At this point, if they announce it this week AND it is 15 games or less, I'll be ecstatic.
Everyone knows they are slow-rolling, it but by now, IF the arbitrator has any stones and IF the arbitrator is acutally neutral, then He/She SHOULD reduce it to 15.
Everyone should be okay with that....
- NHL get's there point across and successfully dragged it out to 75% of their ridiculous suspension
- Arbitrator appears as if they did due diligence and the proper justice was served
- Caps get Wilson back in less than the original suspension
- Wilson gets some of the sentence shaved (and some of his paycheck back)
- Caps fans get to see someone on the ice besides Ovie actually check someone (we hope, anyways)
I think arbitrator HAS TO reduce the original suspension or it will tell EVERYONE the ENTIRE process is a joke.
Of course what I think really doesn't matter, but I sure would like to see my Big Willy playing hard again :P
The big if there is if the arbitrator is truly neutral. If he is it should be reduced to 10 with a strong condemnation of Buttman and the highly biased, unpredictable and disproportionate DoPS
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Day 8.. Not a peep? :poop: :thumbsdown: :clown:
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yea, he must be busy getting ready for the Malkin hearing that's coming
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yea, he must be busy getting ready for the Malkin hearing that's coming
Malkin isn't getting anything.
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You need to get that sarcasm meter looked at Maaco! :wackysmile:
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You need to get that sarcasm meter looked at Maaco! :wackysmile:
Nope I dont.
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lol
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The NHL is getting what they want.
Look at the scores today. 8-5. 6-5. 5-4. 5-3. 4-2. The league wanted to feature speed and elusiveness and hamstring the defense somewhat so that there isn't a situation in a majority of games where a 2-0 lead means the game is over. Everyone here talks about the importance of playing for 60 minutes. Well, that's what an opened-up game does. With the recent low-scoring era, if a team got ahead they would sit on their lead like a hen on an egg. And far from the worry that "if you sit back, that's the way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," most teams COULD hold on to multiple-goal mid-game leads a large majority of the time. Now if you try to sit back in the new opened-up game, you can get steamrolled; and once a goal or two go in and a goaltender loses his sense of invincibility goals can rain down in a hurry.
Welcome to the new NHL. Vintage Tom Wilson NOT welcome.
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lol
exactly
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yea, he must be busy getting ready for the Malkin hearing that's coming
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LMAO Alta!!
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You need to get that sarcasm meter looked at Maaco! :wackysmile:
Dbl LMFAO, Mick!!
Now, THAT is what I call “Tactful”!!
Rush
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Nope I dont.
Hey Maaco!!
FYI, No BS, I met your boy tonite at Caps membership party. (#74).
I mentioned you, to him, quickly, as one of his biggest supporters on our board.
He said to tell you, “Thanks for the love, from far away”! (No joking here)
He was in a group of three, with Connelly and Bowey!
Rush
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The NHL is getting what they want.
Look at the scores today. 8-5. 6-5. 5-4. 5-3. 4-2. The league wanted to feature speed and elusiveness and hamstring the defense somewhat so that there isn't a situation in a majority of games where a 2-0 lead means the game is over. Everyone here talks about the importance of playing for 60 minutes. Well, that's what an opened-up game does. With the recent low-scoring era, if a team got ahead they would sit on their lead like a hen on an egg. And far from the worry that "if you sit back, that's the way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," most teams COULD hold on to multiple-goal mid-game leads a large majority of the time. Now if you try to sit back in the new opened-up game, you can get steamrolled; and once a goal or two go in and a goaltender loses his sense of invincibility goals can rain down in a hurry.
Welcome to the new NHL. Vintage Tom Wilson NOT welcome.
Good observations and reasoning for such, Black, IMHO!
I’m honestly trying to determine your personal pro, or con, take on the subject!
I, for one, strongly dislike much of the new NHL stuff, including the inevitable results that you just mentioned.
Unfortunately, the NHL, has shown, by its ever increasing viewership, year by year, that they were correct in assuming that manipulation of the game rules to create more offense, was what was needed!
Although true, I believe it has scarred the game for most of their original, loyal fan base!
True hockey purists, have real appreciation for, and understand how difficult it is, for a team to
pull off a great “shutdown D”, in order to preserve a win!
Today’s NHL realizes the time investment necessary, to really understand the game of hockey, and that today’s insta-gratification, “average fan”, WONT BOTHER to put in the time!
There was a “proud” differential, amongst hockey fans, from a time gone by, that had a bonding effect, especially at the arena!! This created a stronger loyalty to the sport, amongst many of them, across Canada, and the US! This feeling has been diminishing for quite sometime now!
For me, a high scoring game, many times feels cheap, like street basketball! Admittedly, I do like the flood of action. The hard, gritty, physical, defense oriented game, is almost non existent, and to the “fair weather fan”, is considered boring, and uneventful! Cries mostly heard from the “hockey ignorant”, IMHO!
Would appreciate your expanded view on the matter! Thanks!
Rush
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Dbl LMFAO, Mick!!
Now, THAT is what I call “Tactful”!!
Rush
wow, i still don’t know what Mick meant by that . .
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The NHL is getting what they want.
Look at the scores today. 8-5. 6-5. 5-4. 5-3. 4-2. The league wanted to feature speed and elusiveness and hamstring the defense somewhat so that there isn't a situation in a majority of games where a 2-0 lead means the game is over. Everyone here talks about the importance of playing for 60 minutes. Well, that's what an opened-up game does. With the recent low-scoring era, if a team got ahead they would sit on their lead like a hen on an egg. And far from the worry that "if you sit back, that's the way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," most teams COULD hold on to multiple-goal mid-game leads a large majority of the time. Now if you try to sit back in the new opened-up game, you can get steamrolled; and once a goal or two go in and a goaltender loses his sense of invincibility goals can rain down in a hurry.
Welcome to the new NHL. Vintage Tom Wilson NOT welcome.
Which is like a dive bar going to wine and tapas but serves whisky once a month
Or a drag strip banning anything under 15sec
Or a cigar club banning smoking to sell vapes
There is a phrase going around saying “Get Woke Go Broke”, this is an idiotic cash grab scheme that will (continue to) drive the NHL into the ground and comedy
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Hey Maaco!!
FYI, No BS, I met your boy tonite at Caps membership party. (#74).
I mentioned you, to him, quickly, as one of his biggest supporters on our board.
He said to tell you, “Thanks for the love, from far away”! (No joking here)
He was in a group of three, with Connelly and Bowey!
Rush
Yeah OK Rush lol
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Yeah OK Rush lol
Buddy, no joke!!
I met Carly and told him I’ve got a friend on a hockey forum, who lives in Regina! I told him you were one of his biggest supporters on our forum! He simply said to tell you thanks for the love from so far away.
The Caps has the season ticket holder party last nite. There were autograph/meeting stations, in groups of three players each, and that’s when it happened!
Rush
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Rush, you should’ve asked Carlson what his injury is
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wow, i still don’t know what Mick meant by that . .
Alta made a humorous, sarcastic comment, referring to Malkin not getting a suspension from an incident the other nite, from the NHL. Maaco took Alta’s post at face value, not noticing the intended tongue-in-cheek tone.
Mick had a little fun with it, recommending a checkup on his “sarcasm meter”!
I’m having a “re-do” on a chuckle, just writing this response! LOL
Rush
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Rush, you should’ve asked Carlson what his injury is
Yeah, I could’ve, but I wasn’t aware he was hurt. They were all sitting down. Carly was wearing a ski cap. Connelly and Bowey were at the table with him.
I did get to meet Kuzy, Kempny, Jaskin, Eller and Dowd, as well.
First time I’ve ever met any current Caps players. It was cool!
Rush
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Alta made a humorous, sarcastic comment, referring to Malkin not getting a suspension from an incident the other nite, from the NHL. Maaco took Alta’s post at face value, not noticing the intended tongue-in-cheek tone.
Mick had a little fun with it, recommending a checkup on his “sarcasm meter”!
I’m having a “re-do” on a chuckle, just writing this response! LOL
Rush
I didnt take Alta's comment at face value. That's all I am going to say about it
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Rush, you should’ve asked Carlson what his injury is
Does it matter to you?
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I didnt take Alta's comment at face value. That's all I am going to say about it
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??...Ok, fair enough.
Rush
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Nope I dont.
I didnt take Alta's comment at face value. That's all I am going to say about it
[/size]Does it matter to you?[/size]?[/b]
[/size]Quick, somone get Maaco a snickers bar!! :raspberry:
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Rush, in answer to your queries on my earlier post ....
I am one of those probably rare people who is neutral about the way the game has changed in recent years. I can accept what the game is now, just as I can accept what the game was in previous "eras." It is what it is. As far as personal preference regarding the way the game is evolving now, I have one positive and one negative to say about it. The positive for me is that I don't see as much of the "team sitting on a lead" syndrome as I used to; the current style seems to keep teams playing actively aggressive for a larger proportion of the game than they used to. The negative for me is that the current hectic pace feels less organized. There are a lot more pucks being thrown to no one or nowhere in particular, and there seem to be periods in the game when for minutes at a time the puck seems to be pin balling around randomly with no one ever really gaining control of it. I think some teams even have an underlying strategy of trying to force chaos. Rather than trying to create offense through structured teamwork, the plan seems to be to deliberately create random bounces that hopefully will go their way and lead to a breakaway or something. Hockey has always seemed to me to be a fairly random sport, where breaks, bad bounces and such can in many cases determine the outcome. The current style seems to inject even more randomness into the proceedings.
It is clear to me that a huge underlying reason for channeling the sport in the direction it is going is MONEY. For whatever reasons, the sport in the past largely had a "hard-core purist" following that simply wasn't enough to create the revenue stream for today's multimillion dollar player wishes and multi-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollar ownership wishes. To satisfy that greed, the sport had to change to bring in the mass market: The less sophisticated fan, who wants speed and action and reasons to cheer. But less sophisticated fans don't get thrilled and go crazy over the subtle aspects of the game. Their reason to cheer is the obvious -- scores. So that is what the game is being tweaked to provide. Meanwhile, to draw a contrast, soccer, the "beautiful game," continues to trudge on in relative obscurity in this country at least. Games based on subtlety and low scores aren't going to draw the crowds here. They just aren't.
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Rush, in answer to your queries on my earlier post ....
I am one of those probably rare people who is neutral about the way the game has changed in recent years. I can accept what the game is now, just as I can accept what the game was in previous "eras." It is what it is. As far as personal preference regarding the way the game is evolving now, I have one positive and one negative to say about it. The positive for me is that I don't see as much of the "team sitting on a lead" syndrome as I used to; the current style seems to keep teams playing actively aggressive for a larger proportion of the game than they used to. The negative for me is that the current hectic pace feels less organized. There are a lot more pucks being thrown to no one or nowhere in particular, and there seem to be periods in the game when for minutes at a time the puck seems to be pin balling around randomly with no one ever really gaining control of it. I think some teams even have an underlying strategy of trying to force chaos. Rather than trying to create offense through structured teamwork, the plan seems to be to deliberately create random bounces that hopefully will go their way and lead to a breakaway or something. Hockey has always seemed to me to be a fairly random sport, where breaks, bad bounces and such can in many cases determine the outcome. The current style seems to inject even more randomness into the proceedings.
It is clear to me that a huge underlying reason for channeling the sport in the direction it is going is MONEY. For whatever reasons, the sport in the past largely had a "hard-core purist" following that simply wasn't enough to create the revenue stream for today's multimillion dollar player wishes and multi-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollar ownership wishes. To satisfy that greed, the sport had to change to bring in the mass market: The less sophisticated fan, who wants speed and action and reasons to cheer. But less sophisticated fans don't get thrilled and go crazy over the subtle aspects of the game. Their reason to cheer is the obvious -- scores. So that is what the game is being tweaked to provide. Meanwhile, to draw a contrast, soccer, the "beautiful game," continues to trudge on in relative obscurity in this country at least. Games based on subtlety and low scores aren't going to draw the crowds here. They just aren't.
Hey Black!
I very much appreciate the time you took in producing your response! It’s both refreshing, and rare, to
read the qualities of good, poignant, detail, combined with effective word efficiency! Props to ya!
I now understand your more neutral position on the matter.
Truth be told, at my age, adopting a more objective view on things, from time to time, would serve me better, in my eternal quest for “peace of mind”, LOL!
Getting a new knowledge nugget, now and then, is something I cherish, especially nowadays! I couldn’t quite put a finger on describing WHAT it was that “looked different”, in the general playing style of today’s new game. Your descriptive comparison as “pin balling”, in its randomness, is spot on!
Putting a backdrop that NHL hockey has always had a certain random factor to it, sharpens the focus, as to its increase NOW! It had not occurred to me that teams, sitting on a lead, may actually use this chaos as a tactic.
No argument from me that Money is the chief rationale, driving the game structure today, luring the multitudes, (ok, I’ll keep it nice, here), of fans needing instant-grat! 😁
Thanks for the enlightening post!
There must be some kind of warm light, still flickering down in the ventricles of my old school, hockey purist heart, as Ted still gets damn near 9000 reasons from me, every year, that says I still like his product!😁👍
Rush
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So, reading the twitter today I see where it took 15 days from the neutral arbitrator appeal, to get a ruling on Austin Watson.. 15 fucking days?? lol They really should tell the NHL and this Shyam Das (neutral arbitrator) character to fuck off!! >:( So Wilson may get 1 game reduced, if that.. :clown:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/11/capitals-mailbag-when-will-tom-wilsons-suspension-appeal-be-resolved/?utm_term=.303f3e49229a (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/11/capitals-mailbag-when-will-tom-wilsons-suspension-appeal-be-resolved/?utm_term=.303f3e49229a)
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Clearly the process is a joke. As I said before, let the player play through the appeal like they do in MLB and I garuntee you this process happens in a reasonable time frame
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Yep.. I mean, I guess no one ever asks "What the fuck could possibly take 15 goddamn days??" Is the dude on the cusp of curing cancer or something and can't be bothered to make a ruling? Just stupid.. As I said before, it's the $ everyone (involved) worries about.. It's only the fans that sweat the actual "games" missed..
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Rush, in answer to your queries on my earlier post ....
I am one of those probably rare people who is neutral about the way the game has changed in recent years. I can accept what the game is now, just as I can accept what the game was in previous "eras." It is what it is. As far as personal preference regarding the way the game is evolving now, I have one positive and one negative to say about it. The positive for me is that I don't see as much of the "team sitting on a lead" syndrome as I used to; the current style seems to keep teams playing actively aggressive for a larger proportion of the game than they used to. The negative for me is that the current hectic pace feels less organized. There are a lot more pucks being thrown to no one or nowhere in particular, and there seem to be periods in the game when for minutes at a time the puck seems to be pin balling around randomly with no one ever really gaining control of it. I think some teams even have an underlying strategy of trying to force chaos. Rather than trying to create offense through structured teamwork, the plan seems to be to deliberately create random bounces that hopefully will go their way and lead to a breakaway or something. Hockey has always seemed to me to be a fairly random sport, where breaks, bad bounces and such can in many cases determine the outcome. The current style seems to inject even more randomness into the proceedings.
It is clear to me that a huge underlying reason for channeling the sport in the direction it is going is MONEY. For whatever reasons, the sport in the past largely had a "hard-core purist" following that simply wasn't enough to create the revenue stream for today's multimillion dollar player wishes and multi-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollar ownership wishes. To satisfy that greed, the sport had to change to bring in the mass market: The less sophisticated fan, who wants speed and action and reasons to cheer. But less sophisticated fans don't get thrilled and go crazy over the subtle aspects of the game. Their reason to cheer is the obvious -- scores. So that is what the game is being tweaked to provide. Meanwhile, to draw a contrast, soccer, the "beautiful game," continues to trudge on in relative obscurity in this country at least. Games based on subtlety and low scores aren't going to draw the crowds here. They just aren't.
While what you say is correct, there is another level.
I’ve never seen any objective data to support that fringe fans only want scoring, and won’t appreciate, or prefer the sophistication, physicality, or the “old school game”, over the “new NHL”.
Bettman has wanted to turn the NHL into the NBA since he was hired, Which is still what he wants to do, ironic how the NBA has been on the downside since the “Jordan Rules” isn’t it?
After thus infomercial Commissioner has had an unheard of four strikes , he his going after bubble-scheme after bubble scheme to keep the owners in the black.
What they haven’t accepted is that goals cost salary, the more goals the bigger the contract, so why follow some ideology that will cost more than it makes?
Fans may like goals, but they like winning more. No one needs a focus group of 12yos to tell them that.
You are correct though, it is about money. Which begins with the NHL loosing a season due to Bettman pushing more goals under a salary cap. . . how did they not see this coming? Or, if it was a break the NHLPA, all they gained was a season or revenue.
This cost them the ESPN contract, and then looking (remember OLN?). I’m comes NBC, and Bettman can sell his pussy ideology to someone else. This consists of “family friendly” entertainment, while pushing “Rivalry Wednesday”, to sell traditional hockey anc give morons figure skating basketball game
Like almost all of Bettmans and The NHLs bubble-scenes (Love Guru, NHL Guardians), the novelty will wear off, and keep wearing off until NBC doesn’t renew and there’s no OLN to take them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvzrOQW4AIOH4j?format=jpg&name=large)
the only season with a gain was a lockout year. This is really working isn’t it?
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Free at last! Reduced to 14 games.. (Just to spite muthafuckas who posted elsewhere when we already had a 7 page thread on the subject!!) :rofl:
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/11/13/independent-arbitrator-reduces-tom-wilsons-suspension-to-14-games/ (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/11/13/independent-arbitrator-reduces-tom-wilsons-suspension-to-14-games/)
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from the above linked article....
"ettman upheld the 20-game suspension doled out by the Department of Player Safety (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/10/25/gary-bettman-upholds-tom-wilsons-20-game-suspension/), hoping the ban would be a “wake-up call” for the Capitals forward (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/10/25/gary-bettman-hopes-20-game-suspension-is-wake-up-call-for-tom-wilson/) who has been suspended four times over the last two seasons."
Ummm, this is/was his fourth suspension, no? RMNB is trying to make it sound worse than it is
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Yep.. I mean, I guess no one ever asks "What the fuck could possibly take 15 goddamn days??" Is the dude on the cusp of curing cancer or something and can't be bothered to make a ruling? Just stupid.. As I said before, it's the $ everyone (involved) worries about.. It's only the fans that sweat the actual "games" missed..
“On the cusp of curing cancer”!! LMFAO😂😂🤣🤣
There are many who are in love with their own self-imposed, self-importance!!
I like what the late, great, George Carlin had to say to these morons!
“Here’s some chips, have some dip! Now, go fuck yourself”!
I really miss that guy!
Rush