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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: alta on Friday August 24, 2018, 01:15:53 AM Eastern
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they open at home this year against the B's on Wednesday Oct 3 followed by a game in shitsburgh on the 4th, game 3 is almost a full week later on the 10th vs Vegas. The rest of the schedule looks like shat, i.e. there are multiple 3-4 day breaks. The bye week :O= is the last week of January
and the regular season ends at home on Saturday April 6 vs the Isles. Then the repeat begins
:lol: :rofl:
:cross:
https://www.nhl.com/capitals/schedule/2018-10-01/ET (https://www.nhl.com/capitals/schedule/2018-10-01/ET)
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And that opener is a nice price gouge too... Thanks Ted.
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Sweet, we get to rub Boston's nose in it!! Oh, wait.. :wackysmile: I mean they couldn't figure out how to let us play Pitt, NYI or Vegas at home 1st? Even the Flyers or NYR would be better then Boston.. Hell, Tampa.. Whatever..
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they open at home this year against the B's on Wednesday Oct 3 followed by a game in shitsburgh on the 4th, game 3 is almost a full week later on the 10th vs Vegas. The rest of the schedule looks like shat, i.e. there are multiple 3-4 day breaks. The bye week :O= is the last week of January and the regular season ends at home on Saturday April 6 vs the Isles. Then the repeat begins
:lol: :rofl:
:cross:
https://www.nhl.com/capitals/schedule/2018-10-01/ET (https://www.nhl.com/capitals/schedule/2018-10-01/ET)
No actually this is great, you have that last week to come to Cleveland with us to a beer fest! :)
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And that opener is a nice price gouge too... Thanks Ted.
nice hat
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nice hat
Thanks, mate.
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Thanks, mate.
damn bro, you sure look down different without the beard. .
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:rofl:
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Capitals sign Sergei Shumakov out of the KHL to a one-year, TWO-WAY deal at an annual value of $925,000 for any time he spends in the NHL.
Sounds like they're taking a flyer on a guy who's 25, and showed pretty well in the KHL last season. I expect they'll start him in Hershey, see what he's got, and maybe call him up at some point (though as, say, an injury replacement, his not-minimal salary may work against his being called up.)
On the surface, this looks like a shot-in-the-dark signing. But I wonder if this might not be a veiled shot across the bow to Burakovsky. If Shumakov shows something and Bura spends another year doodling around and not reaching what most people seem to agree is top-6 offensive potential, since his salary is already based at $3 million AAV now, maybe if the Caps can unload him for some sort of asset they would, thinking that they can replace mediocre performance with a guy like Shumakov for a lot less money.
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Capitals sign Sergei Shumakov out of the KHL to a one-year, TWO-WAY deal at an annual value of $925,000 for any time he spends in the NHL.
Sounds like they're taking a flyer on a guy who's 25, and showed pretty well in the KHL last season. I expect they'll start him in Hershey, see what he's got, and maybe call him up at some point (though as, say, an injury replacement, his not-minimal salary may work against his being called up.)
On the surface, this looks like a shot-in-the-dark signing. But I wonder if this might not be a veiled shot across the bow to Burakovsky. If Shumakov shows something and Bura spends another year doodling around and not reaching what most people seem to agree is top-6 offensive potential, since his salary is already based at $3 million AAV now, maybe if the Caps can unload him for some sort of asset they would, thinking that they can replace mediocre performance with a guy like Shumakov for a lot less money.
Hey Ice!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe we were just starting to share a few posts, right before I took a little break from the board earlier this year. If so, then I’m lookin forward to it again!
Anyway, interesting observation on the Bura thing. Hadn’t thought about that angle. This year will have a few more variables to toss in the mix of all things Burakovsky, IMHO! Your Shumakov point may very well be another one.
I’ve made no secret, here, of my distasteful general opinion of Bura. My patience level with him “finally turning it around”, has dropped proportionally, with each of Trotz’s “resets”, over the last few seasons!
I believe he is one, of a multitude of many younger NHLers, who have had mental maturity issues, dealing with over imposed, self-pressure, when they start underperforming. NHL coaches comment all the time about these youngsters, who start in the league, with an over confident, inflated opinion of their own talents, thusly, experiencing the MOTHER of all reality checks, i.e., the overwhelming speed and physicality of an NHL game! Coaches from around the league have commented on this isssue as one of the “make or break” points in an NHL rookies career. Some overcome quickly, moving on to an NHL career of some length. Others must endure a few resets, and some AHL/NHL bouncing around, on their way to potential NHL status, and of course, the majority don’t make it.
For Bura, frankly, this process has gone on way too long! Trotz and the Caps have afforded him EVERY opportunity, and then some, to show, that he can have CONSISTENT performance, and he has NOT! Injuries, resets, or otherwise, as excuses. Short Flashes YES. A few of them, actually, But at some point, you simply have to produce!
I also think he has always struggled with the fluid chemistry of teamwork and TEAM play, on any line he plays on.
Maybe, just maybe, we got a possible short glimpse of him beginning to squash the Individual emphasis, in the last few playoff rounds! But he does not merit hope, in my book, with his history. But of course as a caps fan, and with his obviously natural skillset, I’d like nothing better than to see him have a career year this year.......Ain’t holding my breath, though, Ice! LOL
Rush
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Rush - I somehow have stayed on the Bura bandwagon. His talent intrigues me and he has had stretches where he just looks fantastic. I'm not sure if Trotz babied him and didn't push him hard enough or if his occasional sit-downs, hurt Bura's confidence (which is ridiculous). I am hoping with the new head coach that Bura will really step it up this year.
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Rush - I somehow have stayed on the Bura bandwagon. His talent intrigues me and he has had stretches where he just looks fantastic. I'm not sure if Trotz babied him and didn't push him hard enough or if his occasional sit-downs, hurt Bura's confidence (which is ridiculous). I am hoping with the new head coach that Bura will really step it up this year.
Hey Beags!
I do agree that Bura is blessed with, and has demonstrated, NATURAL, high level NHL talent. We’ve witnessed even Kuzy-like flashes from the guy! His unique physical skill set is beyond question, IMHO.
Bura’s issues are squarely between the ears! 95-100% mental issues!
Trotz over the past few seasons, has talked in an unusually frank, and more detailed manor, with the media, when discussing actions taken with Bura. I’ll paraphrase a bit, here, but Trotz mentioned things like saying that mentally, Andre is his own worst enemy. Also mentioning after one of the resets that young players come into the league, full of confidence, and sometimes this leads to them trying to do it all themselves. We just want to remind Andre to take some pressure off himself. Trotz then explained
that the NHL has a way of convincing up and coming, young players, that they NEED THEIR BUDDIES on the ice, if they want to become great players!! (not exact quotes, but you get the drift).
My point Beags, is that I’m still watching and waiting for Bura to turn that mental corner. He attracted more of my focus last year, as a result. I did mention in my prior post that maybe we caught a glimpse of him starting to turn the corner, in the playoffs. This would obviously be great if it continues! Unfortunately, Bura has “circled the block”, several times over, with his own claims of turning the corner, nearly each time after resets or injury recovery. Bura’s situation is similar to that of the highly functional drug addict, that has told his family countless times that he will quit! IS IT THIS TIME??
At my age, I admit, My beginning view, on any pro sports player, will start with a negative vibe, if they appear to need too much babysitting. Maybe Riordan will help. We see all the time, players changing with a change of coach! I guarantee Bura will be watched very closely. If he can handle that pressure from within, we will all be happier Caps fans this year!
Rush
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Somehow Bura cannot blend with team play, yes he does very skillful plays, but he needs to learn how to use team mates.
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Somehow Bura cannot blend with team play, yes he does very skillful plays, but he needs to learn how to use team mates.
Agree completely, he did show flashes and played solid in the SCF, that isn’t enough to say that is the new Bura, not being a long shot.
There’s not much to go on with Reidion, but I greatly hope that Buras spot in the line up isn’t engraved as it used to be(if Reidon has that choice). With combinations of Stevenson, Greish, Boyd, Dowd, and Varana available, Bura can easily turn into more of a liabily than his point totals are worth.
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i'm a bit intrigued with Shumakov. Let's say, he had a conflict with CSKA coach, but I'm sure Caps did good scouting on him, and Fedorov is GM of CSKA. He should be still approachable but Caps, and Ovie is not unknown to Fedorov. I hope Caps know what they are doing. May be he is top 6 talent, but due different style for winger it might be take couple of years to become truly NHL player. I think he'll be defense liability sometime. But I also think he'll be in check by Ovie. Salary cap impact is small and he should be very motivated as he decided to become NHL player.
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Agree completely, he did show flashes and played solid in the SCF, that isn’t enough to say that is the new Bura, not being a long shot.
There’s not much to go on with Reidion, but I greatly hope that Buras spot in the line up isn’t engraved as it used to be(if Reidon has that choice). With combinations of Stevenson, Greish, Boyd, Dowd, and Varana available, Bura can easily turn into more of a liabily than his point totals are worth.
I like how Varana is molding into a great player, Caps should lock him. Bura probably will become a bargaining chip. I don't see an easy way for him, but he can become a great player somewhere else. Well, he still has a chance with Caps, but time is running out.
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I think Bura has worked his way into a tough spot in this organization.
Going into the upcoming season, with Wilson having had a productive playoff and looking good on the first line, 5 of the top 6 forwards are set: Ovie, Kuzy, Wilson, Oshie, and Backstrom. One would think the remaining top 6 forward spot is Vrana's to lose at this point. During the playoffs especially, he seemed to separate himself from Bura by his work without the puck, which led to a lot of his scoring opportunities.
That leaves Bura to start the season on the 3rd line, with Eller/Stephenson/Connolly/Smith-Pelly, or however they arrange the lower 6. Now Bura is much more a 3rd line player than a bottom-line player, but the problem is, Eller is not that much of a distributing center so Bura's chances to be productive may be somewhat limited. That in turn wouldn't allow him to make a compelling case for promotion into the top 6, nor is it going to make him look good stats-wise if the Caps were to try to move him, especially with that $3 million cap hit. Also of note is that the Caps have NO high end potential among their few forward prospects, which would make the Caps want to give him every chance to succeed here. As I say, Bura looks to be in a tough spot -- the organization probably wants to keep him and see if he can reach his potential, but his playing niche right now is working against his reaching that potential.
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I think Bura has worked his way into a tough spot in this organization.
Going into the upcoming season, with Wilson having had a productive playoff and looking good on the first line, 5 of the top 6 forwards are set: Ovie, Kuzy, Wilson, Oshie, and Backstrom. One would think the remaining top 6 forward spot is Vrana's to lose at this point. During the playoffs especially, he seemed to separate himself from Bura by his work without the puck, which led to a lot of his scoring opportunities.
That leaves Bura to start the season on the 3rd line, with Eller/Stephenson/Connolly/Smith-Pelly, or however they arrange the lower 6. Now Bura is much more a 3rd line player than a bottom-line player, but the problem is, Eller is not that much of a distributing center so Bura's chances to be productive may be somewhat limited. That in turn wouldn't allow him to make a compelling case for promotion into the top 6, nor is it going to make him look good stats-wise if the Caps were to try to move him, especially with that $3 million cap hit. Also of note is that the Caps have NO high end potential among their few forward prospects, which would make the Caps want to give him every chance to succeed here. As I say, Bura looks to be in a tough spot -- the organization probably wants to keep him and see if he can reach his potential, but his playing niche right now is working against his reaching that potential.
Depends on what you mean by “potential”. At least Stevenson, Greisch, Boyd, and maybe Walker are already, or on track to be better 200ft versatile players,with less mistakes and less salary.
Bura averaged about .5 points per game in the regular season, and despite a solid playoff, his errors and deficiencies out way .5 ppg and his $3.5? cap hit.
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When I say high end potential, I mean top 6. The only player of the ones you named who could have that is Gersich, and I say that only because he is still pretty young and lightning could strike. But really, all of these guys are bottom 6.
Burakovsky was never drafted to be a bottom 6 player. He was drafted to try to hit a home run. I wouldn't say his selection was a swing and a miss, but it really hasn't been more than a loud foul thus far.
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When I say high end potential, I mean top 6. The only player of the ones you named who could have that is Gersich, and I say that only because he is still pretty young and lightning could strike. But really, all of these guys are bottom 6.
Burakovsky was never drafted to be a bottom 6 player. He was drafted to try to hit a home run. I wouldn't say his selection was a swing and a miss, but it really hasn't been more than a loud foul thus far.
If the Shumakov signing works out that could spell the end of Burakovsky. You talk about top 6 players as if skill is all that matters. You still need to be a 200 foot player. Burakovsky is not a 200 foot player.
You dont give some of these other guys enough credit. I think Stephenson can be a top 6 player in the NHL.
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When I say high end potential, I mean top 6. The only player of the ones you named who could have that is Gersich, and I say that only because he is still pretty young and lightning could strike. But really, all of these guys are bottom 6.
Burakovsky was never drafted to be a bottom 6 player. He was drafted to try to hit a home run. I wouldn't say his selection was a swing and a miss, but it really hasn't been more than a loud foul thus far.
Oh yeah, the Caps brand “Top 6” or “Bottom 6”with a hot iron on their forehead the day they show up don’t they?
And what makes a Top 6? Popularity? Salary? a few points? situations? minutes? using a toe pick? jersey sales? 12 year old fans, or just “indentifying” or being identified as a “Topv6” player? Because there a lot of “Bottom 6” players that are superior athletes with higher IQs than lazy one way players that are “indentied” as “Top 6”
Funny cause the best game of the year by a “second line left wing”, was by what you would refer to as a trash bottom 6 player Chandler Stevenson.
You can dress 18 players, 12 forwards. . . clinging to the mentality of first best group of three scorers to forth best group of three scorers in their “identified” postitions is just simplistic, and short sighted
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Oh yeah, the Caps brand “Top 6” or “Bottom 6”with a hot iron on their forehead the day they show up don’t they?
And what makes a Top 6? Popularity? Salary? a few points? situations? minutes? using a toe pick? jersey sales? 12 year old fans, or just “indentifying” or being identified as a “Topv6” player? Because there a lot of “Bottom 6” players that are superior athletes with higher IQs than lazy one way players that are “indentied” as “Top 6”
Funny cause the best game of the year by a “second line left wing”, was by what you would refer to as a trash bottom 6 player Chandler Stevenson.
You can dress 18 players, 12 forwards. . . clinging to the mentality of first best group of three scorers to forth best group of three scorers in their “identified” postitions is just simplistic, and short sighted
I agree with your assessment. For some reason people think top 6 players need to be flashy skilled players. I also agree that Stephenson was very good on that 2nd line. It was very noticeable in the first round of the playoffs when Stephenson was moved to that line in the 3rd game and they were matched up against the Panarin line which dominated in the first 2 games. That strategy worked and Stephenson did not hurt the team offensively. Infact I feel he was a lot better in a top 6 role than Burakovsky ever was. Most of Burakovskys success was on individual plays. He needs to utilize his teammates better and he needs to learn to play a 200 foot game.
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I like how Varana is molding into a great player, Caps should lock him. Bura probably will become a bargaining chip. I don't see an easy way for him, but he can become a great player somewhere else. Well, he still has a chance with Caps, but time is running out.
Hey Raven. Good point throwing Vrana into the discussion ring with Bura.
Although it’s still too early to be definitive, (Vrana’s relatively smaller sample size), but by contrast to Bura’s, Vrana has already begun to show a more conspicuous positive response, after receiving his dose of “humble pie” disciplinary actions, last season! He had a Trotz reset, or two, a few scratches, and a good ol’ scoring slump, to boot!!
I recall reading somewhere, early on, last season, that he, like Bura, may have suffered from thinking a bit too highly of himself and his abilities, as well!
Vrana, then, IMO, is the far easier choice between the two, to be viewed with more optimism! And rightly so!
Ice makes a good case too, that Vrana’s play has put distance between him and Bura, and that it really IS Vrana’s job to lose! Conversely, Bura would have to really light it up, CONSISTENTLY, in order to level that field, again, IMHO.
I, for one, will be VERY curious as to how our new head coach will handle Bura! One thing I think, that can surely be said, is that Bura, practically MUST, step it up a notch, both early on, and in an obvious manner, as the very pressure that seems to get to him, will be heavier than ever!
Rush
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Hey Raven. Good point throwing Vrana into the discussion ring with Bura.
Although it’s still too early to be definitive, (Vrana’s relatively smaller sample size), but by contrast to Bura’s, Vrana has already begun to show a more conspicuous positive response, after receiving his dose of “humble pie” disciplinary actions, last season! He had a Trotz reset, or two, a few scratches, and a good ol’ scoring slump, to boot!!
I recall reading somewhere, early on, last season, that he, like Bura, may have suffered from thinking a bit too highly of himself and his abilities, as well!
Vrana, then, IMO, is the far easier choice between the two, to be viewed with more optimism! And rightly so!
Ice makes a good case too, that Vrana’s play has put distance between him and Bura, and that it really IS Vrana’s job to lose! Conversely, Bura would have to really light it up, CONSISTENTLY, in order to level that field, again, IMHO.
I, for one, will be VERY curious as to how our new head coach will handle Bura! One thing I think, that can surely be said, is that Bura, practically MUST, step it up a notch, both early on, and in an obvious manner, as the very pressure that seems to get to him, will be heavier than ever!
Rush
I wouldnt say Vrana is turning into a great player yet. He is showing signs of being a good player much like Burakovsky has. Just because a player is flashy and makes the IDD highlight reel play doesnt make them a good player. Vrana wasnt even the best rookiue forward the Caps had last season. Stephenson is head and shoulders above Vrana right now.
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I wouldnt say Vrana is turning into a great player yet. He is showing signs of being a good player much like Burakovsky has. Just because a player is flashy and makes the IDD highlight reel play doesnt make them a good player. Vrana wasnt even the best rookiue forward the Caps had last season. Stephenson is head and shoulders above Vrana right now.
I think I mostly agree with you, Maaco??? (as far as Vrana not being a great player, yet)!
But since you chose to quote my post for your response, I’m trying to figure what your point is, to me??
No where in my post do I claim Vrana to be a “great player”. Nor did I comment on him being “flashy” or making the “IDD highlight reel”! I also wouldn’t form opinions using such superficial evidence, either!
What my post WAS, was my opinion, using a singular, comparison/contrast, between Vrana and Bura, as to how they have responded AFTER being disciplined!...That’s it!...Stephenson was also never mentioned!
Funny thing is, FWIW, I hold a very high opinion on Stephenson, myself, JUST LIKE YOU!👍👍
Just wasn’t part of my post, you quoted!
Feel free to add a little clarity, if I’ve misunderstood your response.
Thanks
Rush
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I think I mostly agree with you, Maaco??? (as far as Vrana not being a great player, yet)!
But since you chose to quote my post for your response, I’m trying to figure what your point is, to me??
No where in my post do I claim Vrana to be a “great player”. Nor did I comment on him being “flashy” or making the “IDD highlight reel”! I also wouldn’t form opinions using such superficial evidence, either!
What my post WAS, was my opinion, using a singular, comparison/contrast, between Vrana and Bura, as to how they have responded AFTER being disciplined!...That’s it!...Stephenson was also never mentioned!
Funny thing is, FWIW, I hold a very high opinion on Stephenson, myself, JUST LIKE YOU!👍👍
Just wasn’t part of my post, you quoted!
Feel free to add a little clarity, if I’ve misunderstood your response.
Thanks
Rush
Relax Rush. I quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote the post that you quoted. I think it was a post by Raven
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Relax Rush. I quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote the post that you quoted. I think it was a post by Raven
That’s cool, Maaco.👍 All good.
Admittedly, I was scratching my head when I read your post. I actually went back through my post, to try to help me understand yours a little better, and something didn’t quite square.
Certainly not unreasonable, in this case, for me to ask you for some clarity. You provided it, and I thank you, sir! The older I get, the more I like when things make sense!LOL
BTW. On a different note, I’ve been meaning to ask you, if you given any more serious thought to flying out here for a caps game? I know you’ve touched on it a little bit with DC.
Ru
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Chippiness already - the Board is in mid-season form and we haven't played our first scrum yet!!
Share everyone's hesitation about Bura's development. As someone posted rightly, his "great" plays have been more individual than team driven.
Optimistic about the development of both Stephenson and Vrana and think either, or even both, can be solid 2nd/3rd players who contribute offensively but also play responsible defense.
Can not wait for the season defending the Cup to begin.
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Chippiness already - the Board is in mid-season form and we haven't played our first scrum yet!!
Share everyone's hesitation about Bura's development. As someone posted rightly, his "great" plays have been more individual than team driven.
Optimistic about the development of both Stephenson and Vrana and think either, or even both, can be solid 2nd/3rd players who contribute offensively but also play responsible defense.
Can not wait for the season defending the Cup to begin.
Hey Justwin. Been awhile. Good to see ya!
LMAO on the chippy stuff!
Yeah, I figured all the sports have their pre season warmup games, so a little fun practice with “chippy warmup” would help.! LOL
Anywho, I’m still on my Stanley high this summer! It’s a permanent thing for me. Like a long novel that you’ve read. Nothing can undo having already read it. This book is now closed and done!! 🎉🎊🎉
We’re in the last week of waiting, thank God, for Sept 16th, and a new season!! A new chapter for the Caps. I’m not afraid to be damn optimistic this year, either! Just gotta watch the expectations a little bit....On second thought, screw that about expectations!! WE WON THE CUP!!! GO CAPS!
TTYL
Rush
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Bura has had far too much time to "mature" as a player. If he doesn't show improvement where needed, in his consistency, without regressing the rest of his game it's time to trade his ass. I'd give him to thanksgiving to show said improvement else I'd trade his ass for a hotel room.
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Bura has had far too much time to "mature" as a player. If he doesn't show improvement where needed, in his consistency, without regressing the rest of his game it's time to trade his ass. I'd give him to thanksgiving to show said improvement else I'd trade his ass for a hotel room.
Trade early instead of late. . .
Despite his playoff performance, it’d be hard to believe Buras trade/market value is not still declining, and quickly.
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Trade early instead of late. . .
Despite his playoff performance, it’d be hard to believe Buras trade/market value is not still declining, and quickly.
I agree about trading Burakovsky. Trade him asap. If Shumakov pans out that could happen. I'd like us to trade him before the season starts so we can free up some capspace. I'd like to see us sign a veteran goaltender to back up Holtby. I'm hoping we sign Lehtonen.
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I'm a keeper on Bura. Just don't think we would get enough for him and could regret it. But I understand the other views.
I no absolutely nothing about Shumakov, but the fact they signed him to a one year deal at low dollars tells me he will be fighting for a bottom six roster spot - not a top six.
Finally, the thing I really like about Vrana is the desire he shows when he gets the angle and drives to the net. He doesn't hold back and just goes for it at a high and dangerous speed. We just don't see enough of that in hockey anymore. Love it!
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I'm a keeper on Bura. Just don't think we would get enough for him and could regret it. But I understand the other views.
I no absolutely nothing about Shumakov, but the fact they signed him to a one year deal at low dollars tells me he will be fighting for a bottom six roster spot - not a top six.
Finally, the thing I really like about Vrana is the desire he shows when he gets the angle and drives to the net. He doesn't hold back and just goes for it at a high and dangerous speed. We just don't see enough of that in hockey anymore. Love it!
There’s not much we could regret. Even if he went on to put up FFF numbers, he won’t do that here. Not only does he have “count down to 700” to complete with, there’s still other players of his type within the system to compete with for him to get enough chances to get those numbers.
With the development and emergence of Stephenson, Boyd, Griesh, Varna and even Walker, the loss of Beagle, and the still depleted DCorps, minor leagues, and cap space . . . Bura is now an expendable asset that can be used to address these issues, regardles of what he maybe/someday will become
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I'm a keeper on Bura. Just don't think we would get enough for him and could regret it. But I understand the other views.
I no absolutely nothing about Shumakov, but the fact they signed him to a one year deal at low dollars tells me he will be fighting for a bottom six roster spot - not a top six.
Finally, the thing I really like about Vrana is the desire he shows when he gets the angle and drives to the net. He doesn't hold back and just goes for it at a high and dangerous speed. We just don't see enough of that in hockey anymore. Love it!
I dont think Shumakov is suited to play on the 4th line. If he makes the team I would guess 2nd or 3rd line left winger. That could bump Vrana or Burakovsky. Not sure he will make the team but if he does I'd guess he would be on the 3rd line. He might not be ready for the NHL.
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That’s cool, Maaco.👍 All good.
Sorry guys!:) You are the best!
Vlad
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I dont think Shumakov is suited to play on the 4th line. If he makes the team I would guess 2nd or 3rd line left winger. That could bump Vrana or Burakovsky. Not sure he will make the team but if he does I'd guess he would be on the 3rd line. He might not be ready for the NHL.
Given the Caps history, he’ll be a regular by December if not earlier regardless if he’s ready or how much he screws up. A couple points will be all they need to market their “KHL Find”.
I don’t much about the kid, other than several teams passed on him
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Sorry guys!:) You are the best!
Vlad
Hey Raven.
Thanks, and no worries, my good man!
I’m sure Maaco would say the same!
Even going back to the old board, Maaco and I have forged a pretty straightforward posting style with each other. We have actually spoken personally, quite a few times as well, though have never met.
At our individual hockey cores, we are quite similar, I believe, placing high value on a lot of the old school characteristics of physicality, grittiness, hustle, respect for 200 foot players, etc.
IMO, he has a very good hockey IQ, and really good on Caps/NHL history and older players, as well.
Admittedly, he probably is better than me at accepting/tolerating a lot of the newer shit in today’s NHL. Said another way, I haven’t EVOLVED with the newer league changes, quite as kindly!! LOL
When we disagree, it usually comes from differing assessments/opinions, on how some Caps players perform. Much of it is eye-test stuff, but we just see it differently! We will even throw a few analytics at each other sometimes, trying to support our points!! Usually, (because we’re both over 50, LOL, and have watched a lot of hockey in our time), neither of us changes our minds, BUT, one good thing comes from it!.....We know a good deal about each other’s hockey views, and even a little about each others lives, in general......One of the things THIS BOARD is all about, IMHO!!👍👍
And don’t you worry Raven, LOL. Whether Maaco agrees or disagrees with my words in this post, one things for sure. HE WILL LET ME KNOW😁😁!! (much respect Maaco, and a little fun)!!
Rush
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I dont really disagree with this post. But part of the fun here is disagreeing with you guys and rubbing it in when you can say I told you so. It sucks when it blows up in your face.
I got lucky on a couple predictions last season. I was pretty pissed when Walker made the team over Stephenson at the beginning if last season. And when he did get called up I predicted he would stay with the club. I also predicted he would end up being a regular penalty killer. I remember how good he was killing penalties in junior.
I also was pissed when Holtby got benched for Grubauer. And when Grubauer good the start I predicted he would fail and Holtby would have to come in and bail us out.
I was wrong on a couple of guys. I wasnt impressed with Vrana but his game improved immensely as the season went on. I hope he can do what Burakovsky couldn't do and take it to the next level. And I was hard on Kempny when he first got here. He was brutal his first few games but seemed to settle in.
And for the record I wasnt wrong about Carlson. He had an excellent season and not just offensively. I know he isnt a shutdown dman but he was solid. He is better defensively than most offensive dmen.
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For the board:
Here is, I feel, some fairly balanced commentary on the Bura issue. It is part of a Q and A article, where local fans submit questions to J. J. Regan, with NBC Washington Sports, Capitals Talk. Just out today.
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[/size]Steve Farmer writes: Why is Andre Burakovsky still here? Why hasn't the team traded him yet? He's inconsistent and always injured.[/color]First off, for a team that tried to keep its roster together for another run at the Cup, trading away the guy that scored two goals in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Final would be a pretty big departure from that strategy. Second, you would think that his Game 7 performance and his four points in five games in the Stanley Cup Final would buy him a little more leeway from the fan base, but I guess not.[/color]Burakovsky is a top-six talent who has dealt with inconsistencies and injuries through his career which is something the general managers of the other 30 NHL teams will be well aware of. When you make a trade, you need to make sure you are at least getting equal value in return. For everyone out there who wants to trade Burakovsky, think of all the reasons why you do. Everything you just thought of, every general manager will be aware of if the Caps try to trade him.[/color]If the Caps can't get equal value for Burakovsky in a trade, it's a nonstarter. Even if they could, his ceiling is high enough that I believe it would be wise to give him another season to see if he can finally have that breakout year we've all been waiting for.[size=78%]
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I dont really disagree with this post. But part of the fun here is disagreeing with you guys and rubbing it in when you can say I told you so. It sucks when it blows up in your face.
I got lucky on a couple predictions last season. I was pretty pissed when Walker made the team over Stephenson at the beginning if last season. And when he did get called up I predicted he would stay with the club. I also predicted he would end up being a regular penalty killer. I remember how good he was killing penalties in junior.
I also was pissed when Holtby got benched for Grubauer. And when Grubauer good the start I predicted he would fail and Holtby would have to come in and bail us out.
I was wrong on a couple of guys. I wasnt impressed with Vrana but his game improved immensely as the season went on. I hope he can do what Burakovsky couldn't do and take it to the next level. And I was hard on Kempny when he first got here. He was brutal his first few games but seemed to settle in.
And for the record I wasnt wrong about Carlson. He had an excellent season and not just offensively. I know he isnt a shutdown dman but he was solid. He is better defensively than most offensive dmen.
To your credit Carlson did perform well in the playoffs, but as saying goes: you can put on tons of make up on her, dye her hair, tighten her corset via F150, dress her in $2000+ sluty outfits with $2000+ worth of jewelry, but if she’s fat,ugly and poor, yeah she’ll look great compared to what she nornally does, but still not as hot as the hot ones, and she’ll go back to being fat, ugly and poor the next day. . .
(. . . see, i’m beginning to understand feminisim)
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For the board:
Here is, I feel, some fairly balanced commentary on the Bura issue. It is part of a Q and A article, where local fans submit questions to J. J. Regan, with NBC Washington Sports, Capitals Talk. Just out today.
Rush
Steve Farmer writes: Why is Andre Burakovsky still here? Why hasn't the team traded him yet? He's inconsistent and always injured.First off, for a team that tried to keep its roster together for another run at the Cup, trading away the guy that scored two goals in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Final would be a pretty big departure from that strategy. Second, you would think that his Game 7 performance and his four points in five games in the Stanley Cup Final would buy him a little more leeway from the fan base, but I guess not. Burakovsky is a top-six talent who has dealt with inconsistencies and injuries through his career which is something the general managers of the other 30 NHL teams will be well aware of. When you make a trade, you need to make sure you are at least getting equal value in return. For everyone out there who wants to trade Burakovsky, think of all the reasons why you do. Everything you just thought of, every general manager will be aware of if the Caps try to trade him If the Caps can't get equal value for Burakovsky in a trade, it's a nonstarter. Even if they could, his ceiling is high enough that I believe it would be wise to give him another season to see if he can finally have that breakout year we've all been waiting for.
Yeah, about what Id expect from NBC/Caps, but to be fair, the question had an implication of a trade being punitive.
What neither addresses is the question of moving Bura to improve organizational depth, or assuming we are good enough and he is to valuable to be traded
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Burro = Semin. With slightly less talent.
End of.
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Burro = Semin. With slightly less talent.
End of.
Quite a bit less talent. Semin may have been the most talented player in the league. Too bad he was a flake.
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Yeah, about what Id expect from NBC/Caps, but to be fair, the question had an implication of a trade being punitive.
What neither addresses is the question of moving Bura to improve organizational depth, or assuming we are good enough and he is to valuable to be traded
Excellent meat and potatoes point, DC!
It’s no mystery that I can be counted among those that consider almost ANY moving out of Bura, as an immediate DEPTH improvement! Kinda done with the guy. Also noting, nothing exceptional on his part, in either of his preseason performances!! Nuff said, for me!
I mean, if he proves me wrong, great!! We get more production!! (Not happenin’)!!
Rush
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So far I am disappointed that Lewington has been entirely unimpressive. Still young though.
Bright spot - LOB. This guy needs to play on the 4th line. LOB/Stephenson - C/LW , DSP RW :thumbsup: Now that's a nice line if I do so say...
As far as Burt goes - I like em alright but I would sure be open to a trade - we have a lot of depth in players like him. To move him for some more toughness/meanness would be nice.
I would have moved him in a deal for Pacioretty.
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So far I am disappointed that Lewington has been entirely unimpressive. Still young though.
Bright spot - LOB. This guy needs to play on the 4th line. LOB/Stephenson - C/LW , DSP RW :thumbsup: Now that's a nice line if I do so say...
As far as Burt goes - I like em alright but I would sure be open to a trade - we have a lot of depth in players like him. To move him for some more toughness/meanness would be nice.
I would have moved him in a deal for Pacioretty.
I doubt Lewington ever plays in the NHL unless our dcore has a few guys injured. He is physical enough but that about it. It seems he drops further down the depth chart each year.
I dont think LOB is really ban NHL calibre player either. He is tough, physical and puts in the effort. But he doesnt excellent at either end of the ice. He has an outside chance to be a 4 the liner with us only because we have no great forward prospects. This is the weakest I've seen our system in awhile.
As for trading Burakovsky. Might be a good idea if we can get a decent draft pick.
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I doubt Lewington ever plays in the NHL unless our dcore has a few guys injured. He is physical enough but that about it. It seems he drops further down the depth chart each year.
I dont think LOB is really ban NHL calibre player either. He is tough, physical and puts in the effort. But he doesnt excellent at either end of the ice. He has an outside chance to be a 4 the liner with us only because we have no great forward prospects. This is the weakest I've seen our system in awhile.
As for trading Burakovsky. Might be a good idea if we can get a decent draft pick.
Yes, that's what I was saying about Lewington. I was hoping he'd progress but the game looked too big for him.
I disagree about LOB. He excels exactly where this team needs it. I think the kid is a gamer. I'd move Stephenson to C and slot him at at LW in a heartbeat.
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So far I am disappointed that Lewington has been entirely unimpressive. Still young though.
Bright spot - LOB. This guy needs to play on the 4th line. LOB/Stephenson - C/LW , DSP RW :thumbsup: Now that's a nice line if I do so say...
As far as Burt goes - I like em alright but I would sure be open to a trade - we have a lot of depth in players like him. To move him for some more toughness/meanness would be nice.
I would have moved him in a deal for Pacioretty.
Hey OldHat!
Just getting back in the swing of things, here.
Totally agree on Lewington. You don’t hear his name at all, hardly. Almost forgot we had him, with all else going on in preseason.
I hope LOB will find a spot. If not regular, then at least brought in more often, when we need the grit, (the case could be made for ALWAYS)!
He’s got a lot competition at 4th C. Dowd, Boyd, and a camp surprise Megna.
It’s hard to read right now, IMO. Rierden has praised both LOB and Megna, by name. LOB being the most recent mention, about his added physicality. Megna, was mentioned, after Boston, because of hustle and PK ability, which Rierden has emphasized, for all, as a weighty factor for team consideration!
Then we’ve got Dowd, who was 4th C at practice today, where Rierden started all the top starters from the playoffs, Dowd was flanked by DSP and Stephenson. Rierden was quick to add, however, that the 4th line C position is still wide open. He just wanted to see what our top guys looked like today.
I like that at least it’s still competitive and open. Also like that Stephenson can pick up at 4C, if needed, although there doesn’t seem to be much buzz about it.[size=78%] WE SHALL SEE![/size]
Rush
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Yes, that's what I was saying about Lewington. I was hoping he'd progress but the game looked too big for him.
I disagree about LOB. He excels exactly where this team needs it. I think the kid is a gamer. I'd move Stephenson to C and slot him at at LW in a heartbeat.
Love the effort and heart and the physical presence of LOB but that doesnt always cut it. He bring zero offensive my which I can live with if he brings it elsewhere. He really doesnt though. He is nothing special defensively and lacks speed. I've also seen him go for hits and take himself out if the play. I dont think he has the skill or hockey IQ to be a regular NHL player. I think he has a chance to play a bit on the 4th line but I would count on him being a regular.
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Hey OldHat!
Just getting back in the swing of things, here.
Totally agree on Lewington. You don’t hear his name at all, hardly. Almost forgot we had him, with all else going on in preseason.
I hope LOB will find a spot. If not regular, then at least brought in more often, when we need the grit, (the case could be made for ALWAYS)!
He’s got a lot competition at 4th C. Dowd, Boyd, and a camp surprise Megna.
It’s hard to read right now, IMO. Rierden has praised both LOB and Megna, by name. LOB being the most recent mention, about his added physicality. Megna, was mentioned, after Boston, because of hustle and PK ability, which Rierden has emphasized, for all, as a weighty factor for team consideration!
Then we’ve got Dowd, who was 4th C at practice today, where Rierden started all the top starters from the playoffs, Dowd was flanked by DSP and Stephenson. Rierden was quick to add, however, that the 4th line C position is still wide open. He just wanted to see what our top guys looked like today.
I like that at least it’s still competitive and open. Also like that Stephenson can pick up at 4C, if needed, although there doesn’t seem to be much buzz about it.[size=78%] WE SHALL SEE![/size]
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That 4c spot is about the only spot up for grabs. I was hoping Stephenson would be the 4c. Then they would gave a few more options at the 4 LW position. You could try Shumakov, Gersisch, LOB, AJF, Walker or you could try one if the centers in that spot.
If they pencil in Stephenson at 4LW then we are pretty much limited to Dowd and Boyd for that final spot.
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That 4c spot is about the only spot up for grabs. I was hoping Stephenson would be the 4c. Then they would gave a few more options at the 4 LW position. You could try Shumakov, Gersisch, LOB, AJF, Walker or you could try one if the centers in that spot.
If they pencil in Stephenson at 4LW then we are pretty much limited to Dowd and Boyd for that final spot.
I agree Maaco.
I don’t know why there is no talk about putting Stephenson at 4C. He’s played it before. They may just know that they can always call on him to step in at center, but must feel he’s more effective at wing. I think Dowd may get the nod for the Blues game Tuesday. Also don’t forget this guy Megna. Out of Rierdens mouth comes, that the competition for 4C is pretty much down to Dowd, Boyd, and Megna. Although this was said before LOB made a nice showing the other night.
This makes the Blues game a watcher, for sure!
Should be interesting.
Rush
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Agree with Maaco and Puck [who it’s nice to see agree with each other] about Stephenson at 4C. His speed, skill and defensive responsibility warrant at least a 4th line role. Maybe having him on the wing is for his flexibility to move up to a higher line - he isn’t displacing Kuzy, Nicky or Eller so maybe the wing is the only way he moves up and that’s why they’ve slotted him there.
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Agree with Maaco and Puck [who it’s nice to see agree with each other] about Stephenson at 4C. His speed, skill and defensive responsibility warrant at least a 4th line role. Maybe having him on the wing is for his flexibility to move up to a higher line - he isn’t displacing Kuzy, Nicky or Eller so maybe the wing is the only way he moves up and that’s why they’ve slotted him there.
Hey Justwin. Good point about our other centers. Less chance to move if Stephenson is 4C. Imagine him replacing Bura at 3rd wing. An Eller, Connelly, Stephenson line! Hell move Connelly too, and have the 3rd line be, Eller, Stephenson, DSP!! That would be interesting to say the least!
Rush
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This “4C” situation is certainly gonna cost us.
Monumental doesn’t like line flexibility, and will be more against this year after the Cup, which is why just moving Stevenson in or “replacing” Beagle with Boyd or Dowd over will be the course, and then blame them when it all goes to shit.
Without face off ace/shutdown forward (Beagle), or even a heavy weight enforcer, that lines purpose will amount to giving the other lines a water break. The other NHL teams will live this.
Of course, they could just pair Bura and Stevenson, then pair Eller with Griesch/Boyd/LOB/Walker, and rotate Connolly and DSP between Stevenson and Eller to make two hybrid lines . . . but, some Caps fans, zelots, and Monumental staff may have strokes out of their line-tainment ideals being dismissed and dismissed
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Love the effort and heart and the physical presence of LOB but that doesnt always cut it. He bring zero offensive my which I can live with if he brings it elsewhere. He really doesnt though. He is nothing special defensively and lacks speed. I've also seen him go for hits and take himself out if the play. I dont think he has the skill or hockey IQ to be a regular NHL player. I think he has a chance to play a bit on the 4th line but I would count on him being a regular.
I agree totally on LOB. What is the latest on Shumikov? I've only seen the Carolina game so far and he didn't impress me. He seemed like an average skater and didn't show much offensively. I'm sure he is just getting settled but I was hoping he would be a real solid player.
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Just read this afternoon.
Some notable recent cuts. Hobbs, Johansen, Lewington, Shumikov, Samsonov all went back and/or have cleared waivers for HERSHEY return.
Also, Has any body noticed that DSP hasn’t played yet? It didn’t occur to me, either!
Apparently the word is he failed the conditioning tests. Rierden has been waiting for him to get back into NHL-worthy physical conditioning! Admittedly this was a surprise! Hope he gets his ass in gear!
Rush
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Added note to post.
Rierden to determine today if DSP will play Friday vs Canes. No word yet!
Rush
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I would expect a slow start to the season with a lot of our guys getting back into NHL shape. When you party all summer long, it takes a while to get take shed that beer gut. If we are just 500 after 20 games I wouldn't be surprised. However, I didn't think it would be DSP that was the poster dough-boy, I thought it would have been Ovie or Oshie or Carlson.
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Added note to post.
Rierden to determine today if DSP will play Friday vs Canes. No word yet!
Rush
Looks like DSP will get his 1st start tonight.. Looking for a link but can't run it down. saw it on twitter..
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1045663068385136641/photo/1
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I would expect a slow start to the season with a lot of our guys getting back into NHL shape. When you party all summer long, it takes a while to get take shed that beer gut. If we are just 500 after 20 games I wouldn't be surprised. However, I didn't think it would be DSP that was the poster dough-boy, I thought it would have been Ovie or Oshie or Carlson.
That may be the best case scenario.
The rest of the Confrence can no longer view us as a free pass to the next round. Everyone will bring their top game to knock off the champs and/or get revenge
if players, staff, fans believes all the work is done, that the hardest part is over, that we did enough, this season can be ruined by April if not March
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I would expect a slow start to the season with a lot of our guys getting back into NHL shape. When you party all summer long, it takes a while to get take shed that beer gut. If we are just 500 after 20 games I wouldn't be surprised. However, I didn't think it would be DSP that was the poster dough-boy, I thought it would have been Ovie or Oshie or Carlson.
Agree with you, Beags.
Was surprised at DSP. Rierden did not EXACTLY say it was a conditioning issue. He did say that he wants DSP to “get to the level I’d like to see him at”. Adding later that, “That’s what we’re working towards. When that happens, then expect to see him.”
I will say that DSP looked slow tonight. Wasn’t really expecting him to dazzle, as he’s got a little catching up to do. Sure hope he’s ready by October 3rd.
Rush
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That may be the best case scenario.
The rest of the Confrence can no longer view us as a free pass to the next round. Everyone will bring their top game to knock off the champs and/or get revenge
if players, staff, fans believes all the work is done, that the hardest part is over, that we did enough, this season can be ruined by April if not March
Hey DC.
Good point that everyone will be after us.
For me, there are some similarities and differences, between the preseason attitude this year, compared to last year.
What is similar, is that, like last year, I’m going to give the Caps 20-25 games, before any hard assessments. The shorter off season, new coaches, and a variety of adjustments, speak loud to not rush to judgement. “Let em marinate a little”, would seem the wiser option.
The differences are, first off, I am a PROUDER fan, obviously, going into the season. Most of the players are back, reducing the speculation of questionable off season trades. I really see this year as a completely new chapter in the Caps history. It’s Rierdens team now.
I’ve put a period on our GREAT Stanley Cup victory. You used the expressions, “work is done”, “hardest part is over”, and “we did enough”.....These are all TRUE!! BUT, for last year ONLY!
I agree, that it would be a huge mistake for fans or players to be of that mindset NOW, but I’ll have the Stanley joy, as a permanent part of me, at the same time, while acknowledging the “freshness” of the new season. They are separate things!
Call ya this weekend,
Rush
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Hey DC.
Good point that everyone will be after us.
For me, there are some similarities and differences, between the preseason attitude this year, compared to last year.
What is similar, is that, like last year, I’m going to give the Caps 20-25 games, before any hard assessments. The shorter off season, new coaches, and a variety of adjustments, speak loud to not rush to judgement. “Let em marinate a little”, would seem the wiser option.
The differences are, first off, I am a PROUDER fan, obviously, going into the season. Most of the players are back, reducing the speculation of questionable off season trades. I really see this year as a completely new chapter in the Caps history. It’s Rierdens team now.
I’ve put a period on our GREAT Stanley Cup victory. You used the expressions, “work is done”, “hardest part is over”, and “we did enough”.....These are all TRUE!! BUT, for last year ONLY!
I agree, that it would be a huge mistake for fans or players to be of that mindset NOW, but I’ll have the Stanley joy, as a permanent part of me, at the same time, while acknowledging the “freshness” of the new season. They are separate things!
Call ya this weekend,
Rush
Even though most players are returning it is still a different team because of the coaching changes. Who knows how these coaches will do? I am not as positive about this team and it is because of the coaching change. It will be very difficult for the Caps to match what this team did over the past 3 years. Probably not the best time to make a coaching change. Not the best for Reirdon anyway. If this team doesnt succeed is he going to be thrown under the bus.
This is my prediction this year. I dont think we break 100 points this season and will finish 3rd at best in the Metropolitan division. I think we will struggle defensively this season. And I dont think we make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. We might even get eliminated earlier.
Please prove me wrong Caps.
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Just heard Gersich was sent down to Hershey and Barber and O'Brien were placed on waivers. Walker is still with the team and I dont get it. I think ball 3 of these players bring more than Walker does.
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I think the reason why Gersich was sent down is that they want to have him get a lot of ice time in Hershey, I am sure he will be on their top line so it should be good for his development. I don’t see Walker getting a lot of ice time with the Caps, he will be a spare forward at most just like O’Brien and Barber would be.
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I think the reason why Gersich was sent down is that they want to have him get a lot of ice time in Hershey, I am sure he will be on their top line so it should be good for his development. I don’t see Walker getting a lot of ice time with the Caps, he will be a spare forward at most just like O’Brien and Barber would be.
Walker doesnt bring much. Is he the type of player you want to plug in on your 4th line? Barber is a better all round player and is more versatile and LOB is a physical presence. I'd much rather have one of those guys fill in on the 4th line than Walker.
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I think the reason why Gersich was sent down is that they want to have him get a lot of ice time in Hershey, I am sure he will be on their top line so it should be good for his development. I don’t see Walker getting a lot of ice time with the Caps, he will be a spare forward at most just like O’Brien and Barber would be.
Wha????? :clown:
not getting it. What are they trying to do?
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I thought Gersich was a shoe-in.??? Why would they not give him NHL experience?
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I thought Gersich was a shoe-in. ??? Why would they not give him NHL experience?
I dont reallybdisagree with Gersich being sent down. I dont think he is ready for the NHL fulltime. He is also a waiver exempt player so that may have been part of the decision.
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I thought Gersich was a shoe-in. ??? Why would they not give him NHL experience?
If they kept Gersich he would be stuck on the 4th line and would not get a lot of ice time. In addition he is not a 4 th line player, he does not kill penalties etc and does not play a physical game. He needs to play in the top 9 to properly use his skill set. He is a skill player but he needs to adjust to the professional game and the best place do that is Hershey.
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If they kept Gersich he would be stuck on the 4th line and would not get a lot of ice time. In addition he is not a 4 th line player, he does not kill penalties etc and does not play a physical game. He needs to play in the top 9 to properly use his skill set. He is a skill player but he needs to adjust to the professional game and the best place do that is Hershey.
Well said 4Caps!
I’m keeping my eye on Megna in this Sunday’s game. To you point, about Gersich, Megna HAS shown good PK skills, however, Dowd looks like the starting 4C this afternoon, and has also looked good. Just turned the game on, and Caps appear to be using the expected starting lineup for the opener, sans Kempny. Should be interesting this afternoon! TTYL.
Rush
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Walker doesnt bring much. Is he the type of player you want to plug in on your 4th line? Barber is a better all round player and is more versatile and LOB is a physical presence. I'd much rather have one of those guys fill in on the 4th line than Walker.
To be fair to Walker he does bring a bit more familiarity with Stephenson, as well as work ethic. With the loss of Jay Beagle bringing another proven hard worker around is probably a plus. But I do think he'll also be a spare forward, as some have said in here.