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Title: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 04:21:42 PM Eastern
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  Game 32:  41-19-9-3 (PTS-W-L-OT)
  Saturday December 15, 2018   Buffalo Sabres @ Washington Capitals
  Place:  Capital One Arena
  Time: 7:00 p.m. ET
  TV: NBCSWA, FS-CR
  Radio: 99.1 The Fan, Capitals Radio 24/7
  NHL.COM (https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/2018020500) for Live Box Score
  Last Game: Fri December 14 Capitals Won 6-5 in SO against Hurricanes
  Next Game: Wed December 19, 8:00pm ET Penguins @ Capitals

:spacer50pix:  8-Ovechkin :spacer50pix: 19-Bäckström :spacer50pix: 77-Oshie
:spacer50pix: 13-Vrana :spacer50pix: 92-Kuznetsov :spacer50pix: 43-Wilson
:spacer50pix: 10-Connolly :spacer50pix: 20-Eller :spacer50pix: 25-Smith-Pelly
:spacer50pix: 18-Stephenson :spacer50pix: 26-Dowd :spacer50pix: 72-Boyd 
:spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix:   6-Kempny :spacer50pix: 74-Carlson
:spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix:   9-Orlov  :spacer50pix:  2-Niskanen
:spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 34-Siegenthaler :spacer50pix: 22-Bowey
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 1-Copley (starter)
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix:  70-Holtby

                                                      -- SCRATCH --         
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 65-Burakovsky
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 78-Lewington
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 23-Jaskin

                                               -- INJURED RESERVE --         
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 44-Orpik (Knee Surgery, 1-2 weeks before return)
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 29-Djoos (Thigh Surgery, many weeks before return)


                                            -- 1st Powerplay Unit -- 
    :spacer50pix: 92-Kuznetsov     :spacer50pix: 19-Bäckström     :spacer50pix: 77-Oshie
    :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 8-Ovechkin     :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 74-Carlson


                                         -- 2nd Powerplay Unit --         
    :spacer50pix: 13-Vrana     :spacer50pix: 20-Eller     :spacer50pix: 43-Wilson
    :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix:  2-Niskanen     :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 9-Orlov

:spacer50pix:  Referees:   Francois St. Laurent (#38),    Pierre Lambert (#37)
:spacer50pix:  Linesmen:   Bryan Pancich (#94),    Shandor Alphonso (#52)



                          Sabres LINEUP

           Jeff Skinner -- Jack Eichel -- Sam Reinhart
         Conor Sheary -- Casey Mittelstadt -- Kyle Okposo
      Tage Thompson -- Vladimir Sobotka -- Jason Pominville
      Evan Rodrigues -- Johan Larsson -- Zemgus Girgensons

               Rasmus Dahlin -- Zach Bogosian
            Lawrence Pilut -- Rasmus Ristolainen
              Nathan Beaulieu -- Matt Tennyson

                      Carter Hutton   (Starter)
                      Linus Ullmark
Scratched: Remi Elie
Injured: Marco Scandella (upper body), Jake McCabe (lower body), Casey Nelson (upper body), Scott Wilson (ankle), Matt Hunwick (neck)
Suspended: Patrik Berglund



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1st Period

02:41  Sabres GOAL Eichel, assists Reinhart & Dahlin   1-0 BUF
03:39  GOAL 10-Connolly, assist 25-Smith-Pelly   1-1 TIE
09:41  13-Vrana, assist 92-Kuznetsov   2-1 WSH

2nd Period
02:25  Sabres PP GOAL Eichel, assists Dahlin & Ristolainen   2-2 TIE
07:21  Sabres PP GOAL Dahlin, assists Skinner & Reinhart   3-2 BUF
13:46  GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 19-Bäckström & 9-Orlov   3-3 TIE

3rd Period
None

OT
None

SO
Oshie-O, Kuznetsov-X, Bäckström-O, Ovechkin-X
Eichel-O, Thompson-O, MittelStadt-X, Pominville-O

FINAL:    4-3 WSH





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By Peter Hassett (@peterhassett) on December 15, 2018
Caps vs Sabres pregame: What will Ovi do next?
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The man with the largest collection of Hats?

Tonight the Washington Capitals will play the Buffalo Sabres for the first time this season. Last time we saw the Sabres they were toilet tier, tanking for the number-one pick in the draft, which they won. Now with Rasmus Dahlin in addition to Jack Eichel and Jeff Skinner (picked up from the Canes), the Sabres all of a sudden look daunting. Their record is virtually equal to the Caps, and they recently recorded a ten-game win streak. Even for a unrested Caps team, this could be a fun game, if only because Ovechkin will be on ice.

Puck drop in DC is at 7:00 PM and you can watch on NBCSWA on television or from your preferred gadget. The divine Elyse will have your recap.


Just Some Ovi Numbers




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By Alex Hayes (@smoothandsaucy) on December 15, 2018
Capitals recall Tyler Lewington from Hershey Bears
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Headline photo: Washington Capitals

The Capitals recalled defenseman Tyler Lewington from the Hershey Bears on Saturday morning. This is the first career call-up for the 24-year-old defenseman. The Capitals re-signed Lewington to a two-year, $650,000 AAV contract in May.

Lewington’s call-up comes after Christian Djoos underwent surgery on his left thigh on Friday. With Brooks Orpik still rehabbing a long-term injury and Djoos out for a “substantial number of weeks”, the Capitals’ blue line will have to dig deep.

Lewington will likely be the extra seventh defenseman, as Madison Bowey and Jonas Siegenthaler will see a substantial increase in their ice time and responsibilities.


More from the Capitals:

    The Washington Capitals have recalled defenseman Tyler Lewington from the Hershey Bears of the American Hockey League (AHL), senior vice president and general manager Brian MacLellan announced today.

    Lewington, 24, has recorded six points (2g, 4a) in 26 games with Hershey this season and is one of two defensemen to play in every game. Additionally, the 6’2″, 200-pound defenseman has recorded 67 penalty minutes, which leads the Bears and ranks third in the AHL.

    The Edmonton, Alb., native recorded 11 points (2g, 9a) in 71 games last season. Lewington ranked third in the AHL in penalty minutes (149) and third among Hershey defensemen in games played. Lewington is the only player in the AHL to rank in the top five in penalty minutes in each of the previous two seasons. In 211 career games with Hershey, Lewington has 40 points (11g, 29a) and 447 penalty minutes.

    Lewington was drafted by the Capitals in the seventh round, 204th overall, in the 2013 NHL Draft after spending four seasons with the Medicine Hat Tigers of the Western Hockey League (WHL).



Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 04:37:31 PM Eastern
Waiting hat trick from Ovi :uh-huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 04:53:23 PM Eastern
   I didnt realize we played tonight until now. Interesting call up. I guess Lewington is next in line because of experience. Johansen and Hobbs likely aren't ready. Maybe Lewington will get in some games and add some much needed physical play.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 05:03:11 PM Eastern
I was reading somewhere (twitter most likely) that Reirden said he'd be getting guys in games, even if it was only 1 game, so no matter what they could say they'd "played in the NHL".. Not sure I like that tactic, but that's what I read.. So, if Lewington stays up a minute, I imagine he'll get in a game.


And again, what the hell kind of "complication" could cause Djoos to have his thigh operated on?  :huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 05:32:47 PM Eastern
I was reading somewhere (twitter most likely) that Reirden said he'd be getting guys in games, even if it was only 1 game, so no matter what they could say they'd "played in the NHL".. Not sure I like that tactic, but that's what I read.. So, if Lewington stays up a minute, I imagine he'll get in a game.


And again, what the hell kind of "complication" could cause Djoos to have his thigh operated on?  :huh:
    May as well get him some time while he is up.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 05:36:47 PM Eastern
Bura is done here, no other reason to be scratched 3 games in a row. Unless he’s injured, but I doubt that
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 05:43:56 PM Eastern
Yea, GMBM shopping him around like "Please, we'll take a pair of skate laces for the kid".. The league's like "1 lace, not the pair"   :rofl:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Saturday December 15, 2018, 06:24:53 PM Eastern
Bura is done here, no other reason to be scratched 3 games in a row. Unless he’s injured, but I doubt that




We don't know the Reirden MO in this regard.  It could be that he is going to sit Bura for a moderate length of time, especially as long as the team keeps winning, hoping that when he does get back in the lineup he will be re-energized.


The problem with trading Bura is that if a forward or two gets injured there is almost no one from Hershey to bring up and plug in.  Boyd and Barber are about it.  At some point you might need to plug Bura back in, for better or worse.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 06:41:53 PM Eastern
looks like it’s 99.1fm tonight, there is nfl on 106.7
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:06:01 PM Eastern
Good morning all.   :wackysmile:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:13:55 PM Eastern
Damn Kempny!! Do we always have to start with a dumb penalty?
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:15:05 PM Eastern
:10:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:15:25 PM Eastern
Nice goal  :uh-huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:16:00 PM Eastern
easiest goal of Conno’s career
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:20:02 PM Eastern
Damn, miss 5 minutes and 2 goals.. As normal. Can we go a game w/o giving up one in the first couple shifts?  ::)
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:25:36 PM Eastern
Nice hit in the back, ignored..  :-\
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:25:53 PM Eastern
:b:
:13:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:26:13 PM Eastern
The Snake!!
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:26:28 PM Eastern
What a blast by vrana!
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:27:11 PM Eastern
What a bomb of a shot!   ;D
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:28:17 PM Eastern
Where's my Snake emoji AJ?? DAMN!!  :uh-huh: :snicker:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:35:46 PM Eastern
That was a better shift than the pp was
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:36:17 PM Eastern
Where's  my Snake emoji AJ?? DAMN!!  :uh-huh: :rofl:

I tried to find a good one I could work with, but no luck so far. I'll keep working on it for you.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:38:09 PM Eastern

Cool, you know Im just bustin your chops!  :snicker:

I tried to find a good one I could work with, but no luck so far. I'll keep working on it for you.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:40:15 PM Eastern
I missed the first 2 goals of this game. Thanks Rush
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:40:55 PM Eastern
Cool, you know Im just bustin your chops!  :snicker:

I know, but I was looking for something.  8)
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:46:09 PM Eastern
these phucks ....
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:48:46 PM Eastern
these phucks ....
Slapshot needs to walk over and kick the Wizard one in the balls.. He should be used to it.  :wackysmile:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:53:15 PM Eastern
Mmmm, We're waiting on a couple of Papa John's CAPS50 pizzas.

                           :whatahunk:

(https://www.papajohns.com/static-assets/a/images/web/product/pizzas/std_TheWorks-compressed.jpg)

                                   :uh-huh:
I'd swear I can smell it and it hasn't been delivered yet.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 07:57:09 PM Eastern
Mmmm, We're waiting on a couple of Papa John's CAPS50 pizzas.

                           :whatahunk:

(https://www.papajohns.com/static-assets/a/images/web/product/pizzas/std_TheWorks-compressed.jpg)

                                   :uh-huh:
I'd swear I can smell it and it hasn't been delivered yet.
    Home made pizza for us tonight. Pepperoni, ham, mushroom and bacon. I can't wait
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:00:46 PM Eastern
Cajun pizza  :uh-huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:04:22 PM Eastern
that was a horse shit call
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:05:23 PM Eastern
:43d:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:05:55 PM Eastern
that was a horse shit call


That’s ridiculous
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:06:13 PM Eastern
another one for the jackass zebras
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:06:38 PM Eastern
Caps - 2
Sabres - 1
Zebras - 1
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: apace41 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:07:38 PM Eastern
Terrible call but Orlov blows on defense.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:08:26 PM Eastern
Ah fuck. Cheap penalty and then poor defensive play by Orlov. Wtf is wrong with him. He has looked like a fish out if water all season.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:13:26 PM Eastern
WTF with zebras tonight
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: apace41 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:16:21 PM Eastern
Our PK sucks and Copley is not good tonight.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:16:59 PM Eastern
3 pp= 3 goals excellent performance by zebras!
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: KitFisto on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:17:47 PM Eastern
These officials are pathetic.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:18:29 PM Eastern
another horse shit phantom hook call by the zebras results in another goal for the jackass zebras 🦓
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:25:17 PM Eastern
Yup officials are definitely influencing this game. Our pk is brutal. Putting Stephenson back in was supposed to help. I guess you can't blame him since he wasnt on the ice for the last 2 goals.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:31:43 PM Eastern
:8z:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:32:03 PM Eastern
Wow wow! :uh-huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:32:13 PM Eastern
Phew!  I was beginning to wonder......... 8)
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:32:48 PM Eastern
Holy shit,what a shot!
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:33:51 PM Eastern
Holy shit,what a shot!

Two more coming!!!!  :uh-huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:34:36 PM Eastern
Two more coming!!!!  :uh-huh:


Sure,pizza is waiting  :wackysmile:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:35:34 PM Eastern
It's the zebra's turn again!
:refs4:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:36:31 PM Eastern
this is a big PP here
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:36:54 PM Eastern
Vrana had amazing chance..
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:43:40 PM Eastern
should’ve shot that instead of passing it
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:50:39 PM Eastern
I'd much rather have Jaskin at remain at 4L.  That fourth line has been spectacular. I understand Reirden's reasoning, but I did not agree with breaking up a consistently winning line.

 :headbang:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:52:11 PM Eastern
these phucks ....
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:57:10 PM Eastern
Vrana had amazing chance..

As Locker was saying, if that puck had been laying a bit flatter or at least not bouncing then Vrana probably would have put it in the back of the net.

If the zebras do their job correctly we should be able to pull this game out. These inexcusable, baseless penalties are killing us.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 08:59:31 PM Eastern
I'd much rather have Jaskin at remain at 4L.  That fourth line has been spectacular. I understand Reirden's reasoning, but I did not agree with breaking up a consistently winning line.

 :headbang:
   If anything they should have sat a 3rd line player.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: apace41 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:06:27 PM Eastern
If we lose pretty clearly it’s the special teams.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:15:17 PM Eastern
If we lose pretty clearly it’s the special teams.
   Pk is brutal. Pp also sucked tonight.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:27:51 PM Eastern
a furry has been released!!!!
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:34:38 PM Eastern
how does 74 not check his guy there??
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:37:21 PM Eastern
I think we would have liked to see that furry unleashed a little sooner.  Battle level considerably lacking at times. We thus far have made this game more difficult than it needed to be.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:37:26 PM Eastern
1 point and OV sets a career high 14 games in a row with a point
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:37:28 PM Eastern
Here we go again........ ::)
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:50:44 PM Eastern
Well done Copley.    :clap:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: apace41 on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:53:13 PM Eastern
Good 2 points on a back to back against a top team.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:53:17 PM Eastern
And Breathe!!!!
:cwz:
:super:
That was tense!!!!
:banana:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:56:03 PM Eastern
(https://washingtoncapitalsfanforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgalactichub.com%2Fcaps%2Fscoring_summary.gif&hash=a5539380153e9a0902e0b6fc1ce40d49d66becf2)

1st Period

02:41  Sabres GOAL Eichel, assists Reinhart & Dahlin   1-0 BUF
03:39  GOAL 10-Connolly, assist 25-Smith-Pelly   1-1 TIE
09:41  13-Vrana, assist 92-Kuznetsov   2-1 WSH

2nd Period
02:25  Sabres PP GOAL Eichel, assists Dahlin & Ristolainen   2-2 TIE
07:21  Sabres PP GOAL Dahlin, assists Skinner & Reinhart   3-2 BUF
13:46  GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 19-Bäckström & 9-Orlov   3-3 TIE

3rd Period
None

OT
None

SO
Oshie-O, Kuznetsov-X, Bäckström-O, Ovechkin-X
Eichel-O, Thompson-O, MittelStadt-X, Pominville-O

FINAL:    4-3 WSH
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:56:48 PM Eastern
Good to get the 2 points. The pk needs some work.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday December 15, 2018, 09:59:25 PM Eastern
Sweet dreams peeps. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 10:04:04 PM Eastern
Saw the 1st.. Picked it up with Kuz in the SO. NHL Tonight getting ready to show highlights. But the PK? LoL.. How many have they gave up the last 2 games?? 4? 5? Reirden needs to adjust somethin..
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 10:13:08 PM Eastern
Sweet dreams peeps.

Good night Lil.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Saturday December 15, 2018, 10:30:48 PM Eastern
Saw the 1st.. Picked it up with Kuz in the SO. NHL Tonight getting ready to show highlights. But the PK? LoL.. How many have they gave up the last 2 games?? 4? 5? Reirden needs to adjust somethin..
   3 pp goals against yesterday. Officially 2 today but the other goal was scored just as the penalty expired. So you could say 3 again today even though the stats will show 2.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday December 15, 2018, 10:36:10 PM Eastern
NHL Tonight highlights "start" with Ovi in the shootout..   :-\ That's it, then "Caps win!" lol  I'll have to check a later edition. But anyway, basically 6 PP goals against in 2 games? Yikees..
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday December 15, 2018, 11:34:30 PM Eastern
NHL Tonight highlights "start" with Ovi in the shootout..   :-\ That's it, then "Caps win!" lol  I'll have to check a later edition. But anyway, basically 6 PP goals against in 2 games? Yikees..

Yes, the PK was not the greatest, but realize too that we played two good teams with potent PP's.  Today we also got shafted by the refs. Two of the PP's today should never have happened. They were the result of egregious calls by the zebras. We did get one egregious call later that went in our favor, but we failed to convert on it.

The last half of the third period, OT, and the SO were very exciting to watch. Very hard fought. I think I heard Alan May even say it was the most exciting OT and SO he's ever seen in a regular season Caps game.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Saturday December 15, 2018, 11:36:44 PM Eastern
even more impressive for OV tonight was the SO goal, he's a little under %30 career in the SO
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday December 16, 2018, 01:13:33 AM Eastern
I was reading somewhere (twitter most likely) that Reirden said he'd be getting guys in games, even if it was only 1 game, so no matter what they could say they'd "played in the NHL".. Not sure I like that tactic, but that's what I read.. So, if Lewington stays up a minute, I imagine he'll get in a game.


And again, what the hell kind of "complication" could cause Djoos to have his thigh operated on?  :huh:


I heard the same from Rierden, Mick!
I believe he’s putting some small reward stuff out for some of the higher potential prospects, letting them get their gears oiled at the NHL level. This gives both prospects and coaches some “real time”, early assessment, as well!


Rierden is definitely building up some respect with me. He generally seems to have a good finger on the pulse of the team, as the majority of his maneuvers, and other general changes, have thus far proved out!
I was worried, early on, that he was going to be too soft, overall! What I’m noticing is that he is really holding hard and fast to what he stated would be his basic operating mode for the team, that is, rewarding those who make the most of their given opportunities, and conversely, being unafraid to make decisions to NOT reward lengthy underperformers!
He just speaks in a softer tone, which I misinterpreted to mean that he would ACT like he sounds! LOL!
Happy to admit my mistake!!


I don’t think he’s going to upset the apple cart, with a lot of HERSHEY substitutions, rather, as we seem to be getting into a winning character, he’ll pop a guy in every once in a while.


I haven’t heard much on Djoos, but he may have a bone infection at the femur. Or possibly a deeper type of muscular infection of the thigh. (Those quads and hamstrings are huge muscles. An infection there is always a serious matter).


Bowey’s made a few mistakes, but he seems to be cutting the mustard.


Rush







Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday December 16, 2018, 01:46:15 AM Eastern



We don't know the Reirden MO in this regard.  It could be that he is going to sit Bura for a moderate length of time, especially as long as the team keeps winning, hoping that when he does get back in the lineup he will be re-energized.


The problem with trading Bura is that if a forward or two gets injured there is almost no one from Hershey to bring up and plug in.  Boyd and Barber are about it.  At some point you might need to plug Bura back in, for better or worse.


I mostly agree Black.
I think Bura may just experience the longest reset of his career here, this time, barring injury to another starting forward.
I think, at least as it stands right now, Bura will be prioritized BELOW a potential revolving rotation between Jaskin, and Stephenson (and maybe even DSP), for who to scratch occasionally. As of now, I think Boyd’s job is safe currently speaking! Same for Dowd, although he’s a center.  I think you’ll see some experimentation with Barber also. Of course, no one can be sure of Rierdens thoughts, as you said, this is just attempting to discuss some possible angles.👍


Like Alta mentioned, 3 scratches in a row, certainly has a “message quality”, to it, and unfortunately for Bura, he doesn’t have a lot of convincing evidence that these “resets”, result in a positive effect, for him!


I get the sense that Bura’s scratches have a more punitive thread in them. By comparison, Jaskin and Stephensons scratches are due to having to make choices from a more positive backdrop!


I’m sure the league knows what we know on Bura. Can’t remember who posted about an LA Kings trade or something.  That sounded as good as anything else.  Unless Bura really capitalizes on the next chances he’s given, before the trade deadline, management may know there’s not much value there already.


Rush
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday December 16, 2018, 01:54:43 AM Eastern
I missed the first 2 goals of this game. Thanks Rush


Well we both did, buddy, AND my take home dinner was cold as a result too!!😂🤣😂
Good talking with you, though!


Prayers for you and your family,


Rush



Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Pavel095 on Sunday December 16, 2018, 05:56:52 AM Eastern
even more impressive for OV tonight was the SO goal, he's a little under %30 career in the SO


I think right now he shows one of the best hockey in his nhl career because of his beautiful family which hugely supports  him,therefore as I said initially this season he gonna score even more goals compare to last seasons  :cross:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Sunday December 16, 2018, 07:48:00 AM Eastern

I mostly agree Black.
I think Bura may just experience the longest reset of his career here, this time, barring injury to another starting forward.
I think, at least as it stands right now, Bura will be prioritized BELOW a potential revolving rotation between Jaskin, and Stephenson (and maybe even DSP), for who to scratch occasionally. As of now, I think Boyd’s job is safe currently speaking! Same for Dowd, although he’s a center.  I think you’ll see some experimentation with Barber also. Of course, no one can be sure of Rierdens thoughts, as you said, this is just attempting to discuss some possible angles.👍


Like Alta mentioned, 3 scratches in a row, certainly has a “message quality”, to it, and unfortunately for Bura, he doesn’t have a lot of convincing evidence that these “resets”, result in a positive effect, for him!


I get the sense that Bura’s scratches have a more punitive thread in them. By comparison, Jaskin and Stephensons scratches are due to having to make choices from a more positive backdrop!


I’m sure the league knows what we know on Bura. Can’t remember who posted about an LA Kings trade or something.  That sounded as good as anything else.  Unless Bura really capitalizes on the next chances he’s given, before the trade deadline, management may know there’s not much value there already.


Rush
     I have heard that the Vancouver Canucks have inquired about him. The guy that makes sense from the Canucks is Edler because of injuries to the dcore. Not sure if we could fit him.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Sunday December 16, 2018, 07:51:29 AM Eastern

I think right now he shows one of the best hockey in his nhl career because of his beautiful family which hugely supports  him,therefore as I said initially this season he gonna score even more goals compare to last seasons  :cross:




One might wonder also if Ovie is playing so well because of winning the Cup last year.  As team captain and the unquestioned straw that stirs this organization's drink, winning the Cup last year may have taken a huge accumulating weight off his shoulders, so during the regular season he doesn't have to have the issue of playoff disappointments constantly on the edge of his radar.  He can just go out and play, and the playoffs will take care of itself when they arrive.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday December 16, 2018, 10:34:58 AM Eastern



One might wonder also if Ovie is playing so well because of winning the Cup last year.  As team captain and the unquestioned straw that stirs this organization's drink, winning the Cup last year may have taken a huge accumulating weight off his shoulders, so during the regular season he doesn't have to have the issue of playoff disappointments constantly on the edge of his radar.  He can just go out and play, and the playoffs will take care of itself when they arrive.
PRAISE JESUS!!!


Come on man, you’re a statistician,  Are you trying to sell us the idea that Ovies “feelings”, will be enough for the playoffs  to “take care of itself when (or if) they arrive”? 
 
Do the results changing on the same pattern on the 10th time, invalidate all preceding data and give a high probably of continuing going forward when the chief contributing factor is “feelings”? 

Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Monday December 17, 2018, 04:15:42 AM Eastern
PRAISE JESUS!!!


Come on man, you’re a statistician,  Are you trying to sell us the idea that Ovies “feelings”, will be enough for the playoffs  to “take care of itself when (or if) they arrive”? 
 
Do the results changing on the same pattern on the 10th time, invalidate all preceding data and give a high probably of continuing going forward when the chief contributing factor is “feelings”?




DC, my statement had nothing to do with what I perceive the Capitals' chances for success in the playoffs would be.  I said that I suspected the reason Ovie might be doing well IN THE REGULAR SEASON is that he has the Stanley Cup monkey off his back.  So he doesn't have the "but the playoffs" bugaboo nagging at him, either in a personal psychological way or through the media.  All the last statement about "the playoffs will take care of themselves" represented was the opinion that he doesn't really have to worry about them anymore until they arrive, IF they arrive.  It was NOT a prediction that the playoffs will go well for the team.  And anyway, even if the team has struggled in the playoffs over the years, Ovie has actually played quite well in them.  All he can do is control his own performance -- he can't control everyone else's.  So drawing a conclusion from my last statement that because some pressure is off Ovie means the TEAM will do well in the playoffs is bad logic.


The Metro standings are very tight so far this season, and it is not at all certain that the Caps will even be in them.  Their recent hot streak has given them a little cushion, and they've weathered their injury/suspension issues well so far, but we are just now getting into the meat of the season.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Monday December 17, 2018, 09:12:20 AM Eastern
Confidence was what they lacked in years past.. Not like they made it to the playoffs and then got blown out or something. They usually just choked. And it was usually the offense/depth.. Whether it was the D and or Holtby, they didn't lose because of some loose style game they were playing or because their defenders were too small.. They just couldn't get over the mental hurdle and score goals when it was most needed.. So now they won a cup and the confidence is/will be there.. Do the statistics say they'll not repeat? Sure.. So what?  :raspberry:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Monday December 17, 2018, 11:28:04 AM Eastern
Confidence was what they lacked in years past.. Not like they made it to the playoffs and then got blown out or something. They usually just choked. And it was usually the offense/depth.. Whether it was the D and or Holtby, they didn't lose because of some loose style game they were playing or because their defenders were too small.. They just couldn't get over the mental hurdle and score goals when it was most needed.. So now they won a cup and the confidence is/will be there.. Do the statistics say they'll not repeat? Sure.. So what?  :raspberry:


the only reason statistics are kept is for the bookies in Vegas  :uh-huh:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday December 17, 2018, 12:25:20 PM Eastern



DC, my statement had nothing to do with what I perceive the Capitals' chances for success in the playoffs would be.  I said that I suspected the reason Ovie might be doing well IN THE REGULAR SEASON is that he has the Stanley Cup monkey off his back.  So he doesn't have the "but the playoffs" bugaboo nagging at him, either in a personal psychological way or through the media.  All the last statement about "the playoffs will take care of themselves" represented was the opinion that he doesn't really have to worry about them anymore until they arrive, IF they arrive.  It was NOT a prediction that the playoffs will go well for the team.  And anyway, even if the team has struggled in the playoffs over the years, Ovie has actually played quite well in them.  All he can do is control his own performance -- he can't control everyone else's.  So drawing a conclusion from my last statement that because some pressure is off Ovie means the TEAM will do well in the playoffs is bad logic.


The Metro standings are very tight so far this season, and it is not at all certain that the Caps will even be in them.  Their recent hot streak has given them a little cushion, and they've weathered their injury/suspension issues well so far, but we are just now getting into the meat of the season.
while my statement was sarcastically exaggerated, albeit a tad aggressive, the logic is quite sound.


You’re post sounds like he had a literal exorcism where his head was spinning 360 degrees and/or projectile vomiting pea soup  about the Verizon Center every spring, but now everything’s just honkey-dory and he go about happy and taking care of himself and he will be rewarded. . .


But the biggest reason his stats are so high: Reidon wants to keep his job, and for the players and management to like him, so he’s using a pond-hockey playbook.  Players and teams in a D-first/200ft system, do not score this many goals for this long, or GIVE UP as many, particularly with an elite goalie.


Reidens systen is built for stat padding, players like their stats padded so they have fun while they can
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Monday December 17, 2018, 08:35:22 PM Eastern
while my statement was sarcastically exaggerated, albeit a tad aggressive, the logic is quite sound.


You’re post sounds like he had a literal exorcism where his head was spinning 360 degrees and/or projectile vomiting pea soup  about the Verizon Center every spring, but now everything’s just honkey-dory and he go about happy and taking care of himself and he will be rewarded. . .


But the biggest reason his stats are so high: Reidon wants to keep his job, and for the players and management to like him, so he’s using a pond-hockey playbook.  Players and teams in a D-first/200ft system, do not score this many goals for this long, or GIVE UP as many, particularly with an elite goalie.


Reidens systen is built for stat padding, players like their stats padded so they have fun while they can




Regardless of the hyperbole defense, you still haven't addressed what I really meant in my original post, which I can't know for sure, but I think is valid speculation:  That Ovie has some pressure off him this year, he is playing like it, and the results so far have turned out very well.


And I don't buy your Reirden/pond hockey theory.  At least, it's not borne out by the partial-year stats we have thus far.


Last year the Caps scored 3.16 goals/game in the regular season, and gave up 2.91 goals/game (259/239).  Now this year they are scoring 3.72 per game thus far, and giving up 3.09 (119/99).  Yep, they are scoring more, and giving up more.  But the funny thing is, the ENTIRE difference between their goals allowed per game last year and their goals allowed per game this year is in the extra goals they've yielded on the PK, which is the one time when the team is focused on trying to defend.  (PK % is about 75 this year vs. slightly over 80 last year, which accounts for about a 6+ goal difference given the number of PK situations they've had so far this season.)  So if the team is focused on playing "pond hockey," it hasn't affected their GA thus far.  However, for whatever reasons, their offensive game has picked up significantly from last year.


Now I wanted to check the league as a whole, because I was under the impression that scoring was up significantly, which I suspected was due to the increasing removal of physicality and letting the skilled guys do their thing, + the reduction in size of some of the goalie equipment.  Scoring is up a bit, but not all that much:  3.08 goals per team per game this year as opposed to 2.98 per team per game last year, which surprised me.


Bottom line is this -- IF we were to assume that the Caps were more "pond hockeyish" this year than last (which, having attended some games, I don't really see), it is showing up ONLY on the offensive side of the scoresheet.  Which means that so far, if Reirden has pushed more wide-open hockey, it's been to the team's net benefit, and it seems to have been to this teams net benefit more than it has been to the league as a whole.


Now, will things need to change if the Caps make the playoffs?  I'd think so.  But the objective of the regular season is to do as well as you can in the regular season, because you can't win playoff games in the regular season.  And I have no criticism of Reirden for the hockey he has this team playing thus far. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Monday December 17, 2018, 09:10:28 PM Eastern
   Just curious Black Ice if you have ever played pond hockey. Because a lot if Caps games have looked like pond hockey. They have been undisciplined and havent played with structure.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday December 17, 2018, 09:34:55 PM Eastern
Who cares what kind of hockey they are playing, they have won 12 out of their last 14 games.  I hope doing whatever their doing continues if it results in wins.  They proved last year that they can make adjustments in the playoffs when neccessary and no reason to think they can’t or won’t this year. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Monday December 17, 2018, 09:59:37 PM Eastern
Who cares what kind of hockey they are playing, they have won 12 out of their last 14 games.  I hope doing whatever their doing continues if it results in wins.  They proved last year that they can make adjustments in the playoffs when neccessary and no reason to think they can’t or won’t this year.
     Actually I care what kind of hockey we are playing. I know we have won 12 of 14 but a lot of those 12 wins havent been pretty. We got lucky to win some of those games. We are winning with skill but no structure. If we continue to play like this our luck will run out eventually. If we play this style in the playoffs they will be golfing early.
     So far this season we have only played a handful of complete games where we were solid in all zones for an entire game. Quite a few games we got outplayed but still won. We rely in skill more than hard work.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Monday December 17, 2018, 11:13:06 PM Eastern

 :rofl:  Pond hockey.. Youz guyz..  :wackysmile:


Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 12:18:20 AM Eastern
I’m in the long suffering process, as a hockey old schooler, of weighing out the pros and cons of continuing to stay a fan of hockey.
Obviously, for now, I’ve decided it’s still worth watching.  I’ve been wrestling with the dilemma of comparing the “good old hockey”, to the newer, softer style, less pure and less fundamentally sound, hockey!  [size=78%]I both want to see, and miss, the physical, grittier, hockey![/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]For the last 3 or 4 years, many in the newer, generally younger crowd, have advised me that I should just accept the changes, because the NHL will never go back to the way it was.[/size]
I’ve basically dumped the NFL already, as I’ve gradually come to the decision, FOR MYSELF, over the past 5 years, that the frustration of watching it, outweighs the enjoyment I used to get out of its competition!
I’m not afraid to do this with the NHL either, personally, although if I did, it would be the letting go of my last major sport!


I say all this because I’ve realized that EVERY SINGLE NHL TEAM, is guilty, OFTEN, of not playing the type of game, that I like to see!! Outcomes of the general NHL game schedule are as fickle as ever, on a DAILY BASIS.
NO TEAM, that I watch now, plays that smash-mouth, in your face, “Broad Street Bullies”, type of hockey that I love to watch!! Hell, we don’t even get little snippets of it anymore!


I admit to having to let go of some of my “purist passion”, already, in order to accept the game as it is presented today! Do I like having to do it !! FUCKIN HELL NO!!! But I can’t keep on setting myself up for having a cloud of “bitterness”, randomly floating in my brain, throughout the NHL season!  UNTIL, the time comes when I have my NFL realization moment, with the NHL!!


Not there yet!


Rush



Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 07:15:18 AM Eastern
:rofl:  Pond hockey.. Youz guyz..  :wackysmile:
     Its actually not a bad comparison. Our city holds a winter festival every February. One of the events, maybe the biggest is the hockey tournament that is played on the lake. Dozens of teams enter this tournament. Most teams consist of friends throwing a team together at the last minute. Myself and 2 of my cousins used to throw a team in every year. It was fun and we did a lot of drinking but we were pretty much freelancing out there. There was no structure. There always was a handful of teams that took it very serious and those are the teams that would advance the furthest in this tournament. And that was because they played with structure and had coaching. I can't remember how many teams would be entered but the majority of it was just pond hockey. It really wasn't meant to be taken serious.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 07:43:27 AM Eastern
I’m in the long suffering process, as a hockey old schooler, of weighing out the pros and cons of continuing to stay a fan of hockey.
Obviously, for now, I’ve decided it’s still worth watching.  I’ve been wrestling with the dilemma of comparing the “good old hockey”, to the newer, softer style, less pure and less fundamentally sound, hockey!  [size=78%]I both want to see, and miss, the physical, grittier, hockey![/size]

[size=78%]For the last 3 or 4 years, many in the newer, generally younger crowd, have advised me that I should just accept the changes, because the NHL will never go back to the way it was.[/size]
I’ve basically dumped the NFL already, as I’ve gradually come to the decision, FOR MYSELF, over the past 5 years, that the frustration of watching it, outweighs the enjoyment I used to get out of its competition!
I’m not afraid to do this with the NHL either, personally, although if I did, it would be the letting go of my last major sport!


I say all this because I’ve realized that EVERY SINGLE NHL TEAM, is guilty, OFTEN, of not playing the type of game, that I like to see!! Outcomes of the general NHL game schedule are as fickle as ever, on a DAILY BASIS.
NO TEAM, that I watch now, plays that smash-mouth, in your face, “Broad Street Bullies”, type of hockey that I love to watch!! Hell, we don’t even get little snippets of it anymore!


I admit to having to let go of some of my “purist passion”, already, in order to accept the game as it is presented today! Do I like having to do it !! FUCKIN HELL NO!!! But I can’t keep on setting myself up for having a cloud of “bitterness”, randomly floating in my brain, throughout the NHL season!  UNTIL, the time comes when I have my NFL realization moment, with the NHL!!


Not there yet!


Rush
     I am having a hard time adapting to the new game. I'm fine with trying to bring more skill to the game. There are more small speedy guys. Defencemen are mostly puck movers now.
     The thing I am having a problem with is the physical part being taken out if the game to protect the smaller players. Everyone is going on that small skilled are the new thing. The only reason most of these small players are successful is because the league is changing the rules to ensure.
      I am having a very hard time with the Tom Wilson thing. It isnt right what the league has done to him. They have made him out to be the villain of the NHL. We all know that some of his hits are borderline in today's game but he is far from a dirty player. Yet the league calls him a predator.
    Tom Wilson plays the game the way it is meant to be played. He is a 200 foot player that is physical and can fight if needed. He works hard on every shift. Unfortunately the league is trying to get rid of those kind of players. They want the small skilled players skating with their heads down with their fancy stick handling and toedrags. If players were taught how to play proper defense those plays wouldnt happen as often as they do. The game against the Sabres when Eichel undressed Orlov is a perfect example. That wasnt a great play by Eichel. It was poor defense by Orlov. Orlov had position on him but didnt play the man. Got caught watching the puck. Sorry Orlov but that was a very easy defensive play. About as routine as it should get. I would have been fine with that play if Orlov took that man but got beat because of strength but that play was unacceptable. That's the way guys play defense now they chase the puck. I despise when people use the term he has a good stick in the defensive zone. Because he strips the odd puck from someone or gets lucky and picks off a pass. This is how players like Erik Karlsson get mistaken for good defensive players. And I know people rip on our Carlson for his defense at times but the way the game has changed he might actually be our best defensive dman now. I can't think of anyone else on the team that is better.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 08:51:18 AM Eastern
Puck, since turning 50, my motto has been "don't sweat the small stuff".. And anything having to do with sports is "the small stuff"..  :uh-huh: :P The NFL will probably be flag football in our lifetime (at least at the skills positions) but what are ya gonna do? Stop watching? I've rooted for the sorry ass Redskins since birth.. If I can stomach through the Dan Snyder era, I can stomach some sissy ass rules.. Is what it is my brotha!  ;)
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 01:16:03 PM Eastern



Regardless of the hyperbole defense, you still haven't addressed what I really meant in my original post, which I can't know for sure, but I think is valid speculation:  That Ovie has some pressure off him this year, he is playing like it, and the results so far have turned out very well.


And I don't buy your Reirden/pond hockey theory.  At least, it's not borne out by the partial-year stats we have thus far.


Last year the Caps scored 3.16 goals/game in the regular season, and gave up 2.91 goals/game (259/239).  Now this year they are scoring 3.72 per game thus far, and giving up 3.09 (119/99).  Yep, they are scoring more, and giving up more.  But the funny thing is, the ENTIRE difference between their goals allowed per game last year and their goals allowed per game this year is in the extra goals they've yielded on the PK, which is the one time when the team is focused on trying to defend.  (PK % is about 75 this year vs. slightly over 80 last year, which accounts for about a 6+ goal difference given the number of PK situations they've had so far this season.)  So if the team is focused on playing "pond hockey," it hasn't affected their GA thus far.  However, for whatever reasons, their offensive game has picked up significantly from last year.


Now I wanted to check the league as a whole, because I was under the impression that scoring was up significantly, which I suspected was due to the increasing removal of physicality and letting the skilled guys do their thing, + the reduction in size of some of the goalie equipment.  Scoring is up a bit, but not all that much:  3.08 goals per team per game this year as opposed to 2.98 per team per game last year, which surprised me.


Bottom line is this -- IF we were to assume that the Caps were more "pond hockeyish" this year than last (which, having attended some games, I don't really see), it is showing up ONLY on the offensive side of the scoresheet.  Which means that so far, if Reirden has pushed more wide-open hockey, it's been to the team's net benefit, and it seems to have been to this teams net benefit more than it has been to the league as a whole.


Now, will things need to change if the Caps make the playoffs?  I'd think so.  But the objective of the regular season is to do as well as you can in the regular season, because you can't win playoff games in the regular season.  And I have no criticism of Reirden for the hockey he has this team playing thus far.
So the increase in the average goals for and against is following the same trend as the rest of the league, so that you don’t see evidence that that stat-increases are the result a system being designed to increase stats?   The use of averages supports you’re point as it levels out the peaks and drops making it appear that each game is 3-2.  3-2 does not appear to  indicate the high scoring pond hockey.


But, they have scored five or more goals (all types), in 34% of their games, and have allowed 5 or more in 22%.  So with these seven games over 5, Holtbys two SO have their GAA “down” to 3.09. 


You still don’t buy that this is the result of Reirdons Monumental (pun intended) pond-hockey/videgame stat padding system?
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 01:35:30 PM Eastern
Who cares what kind of hockey they are playing, they have won 12 out of their last 14 games.  I hope doing whatever their doing continues if it results in wins.  They proved last year that they can make adjustments in the playoffs when neccessary and no reason to think they can’t or won’t this year.
Actually, there is every reason to think they can not or will not adjust this year, and the over confidence that "they did it once, they can do it again", is one of the biggest reasons everyone should be noting 




Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 01:56:02 PM Eastern
So the increase in the average goals for and against is following the same trend as the rest of the league, so that you don’t see evidence that that stat-increases are the result a system being designed to increase stats?   The use of averages supports you’re point as it levels out the peaks and drops making it appear that each game is 3-2.  3-2 does not appear to  indicate the high scoring pond hockey.


But, they have scored five or more goals (all types), in 34% of their games, and have allowed 5 or more in 22%.  So with these seven games over 5, Holtbys two SO have their GAA “down” to 3.09. 


You still don’t buy that this is the result of Reirdons Monumental (pun intended) pond-hockey/videgame stat padding system?




If it's happening throughout the league, it isn't Reirdon's system, it's the league's doing.  The league wanted a more wide-open game, and they've got it.  It's difficult to execute the "good old fashioned" type of game when the league has legislated out many of its tactics. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 02:57:12 PM Eastern



If it's happening throughout the league, it isn't Reirdon's system, it's the league's doing.  The league wanted a more wide-open game, and they've got it.  It's difficult to execute the "good old fashioned" type of game when the league has legislated out many of its tactics.
So Reirdon just takes the NHL template and passes it out to the players?  That must be why Trotz got "fired" because he ran a "good old fashioned system" through much of the playoffs last year instead of the "template" and won with it.


And your "logic" of if is "happening throughout the league, it isnt Reidons system", isnt just bad, it's lazy.

 Or you're just trying justify the 7 times we allowed 5 goals, scoring 5 goals 11 times, Ovie on pace for 70 goals, with the system and scenarios you're seeing on the ice each game with the other teams that won a Cup last yeat, have (had) a top 3 Goalie, and the forward approaching 700 career goals?
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 04:51:26 PM Eastern
Puck, since turning 50, my motto has been "don't sweat the small stuff".. And anything having to do with sports is "the small stuff"..  :uh-huh: :P The NFL will probably be flag football in our lifetime (at least at the skills positions) but what are ya gonna do? Stop watching? I've rooted for the sorry ass Redskins since birth.. If I can stomach through the Dan Snyder era, I can stomach some sissy ass rules.. Is what it is my brotha!  ;)


A lot of wisdom in that, Mick, Lotta wisdom!!👍
Like you, it was around age 50, for me, that I realized I was allowing too much of the “small stuff”, to continue to affect my overall daily mental state.
My thing, nowadays, thank God, is to mostly CONDUCT my life in a way to continually maintain the “peace of mind”, (You could say, my motto)!
This REQUIRES “not sweating the the small stuff”, as a major part, so we are, most def, on the same page there!!
Additionally I’m blessed with a wonderful wife, who came to USA, from China, at age 13. She has fully acclamated to the American lifestyle, but retains the part of her culture that keeps “the home”, as a peaceful sanctuary! Prior to meeting her, I had never considered that you have to “create”, a peaceful environment in the home, it doesn’t just fall together out of nowhere! LOL


Sports really is in “the small stuff” category, when viewed from that angle!!
Good words, Mick!


Rush

Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: 4 Caps on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 04:55:42 PM Eastern
The object of a hockey game is to score more goals than your opponent.  So if you score 6 goals and your opponent scores 5 you win and if you score 1 goal and your opponent scores 0 goals you win.  There is no difference.  You have two wins,  one is no better than the other.  Personally I like watching high scoring games, other people may like watching low scoring games.  I want the Caps to win and I really don’t care how they win.  The Caps are good at adapting to the way the other team plays, if their opponent wants to play a wide open game the Caps can play that game and succeed.  If the opponent wants to play a tight checking game the Caps can play that style and win as they showed in the playoffs last season.  DC I don’t know why you doubt that the Caps can’t play like they did in the playoffs when they have basically the same players.  Despite what you may think the system Rierden is using is not much different if any than the system Trotz used. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 05:54:53 PM Eastern
Geez Louise Cap Fans.  I'm with you 4-caps.  I like when the Capitals WIN.


Are other teams' message boards this "downer debby" and "the sky is falling" and "our team is just lucky to win" when there teams win 12 out of 14 games?


I thought this was supposed to be a place for Cap fans.  (and no, i'm not blindly following the Monumental mantra and drinking the Kool Aid)


Who is the best team in hockey as of the LAST winning playoff race?  The Mother Fucking STANLEY CUP CHAMPION Washington Capitals BABY!!!!


Go Caps.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 06:21:35 PM Eastern

Are other teams' message boards this "downer debby" and "the sky is falling" and "our team is just lucky to win" when there teams win 12 out of 14 games?



If the Redwings win 12 of 14, something tells me their board will mirror ours?  :rofl:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 07:38:05 PM Eastern
Does nobody else think that we're compensating for our lak of wxperience on the back end?  Is it just me then?

Am I the only one that thinks that we're playing to our strenghts and "Capitalixing" on our forwards and their skill to overcome our current lack of experience on D?
Sorry, that's the way I see it. 
Our guys are incredibly skilled and experienced up front, so the more goals they score, more relief for the whole team.  Holtby hasn't been at his best  yet and stupid, dumb, unneccesary penalties (Yes Bowey - lookind at you) don't help.

I think we're compensating quite well.   ....   Imho.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 08:05:47 PM Eastern
......

I think we're compensating quite well.   ....   Imho.


some of us are 8)


some of us aren’t  :lol:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 08:09:42 PM Eastern



If it's happening throughout the league, it isn't Reirdon's system, it's the league's doing.  The league wanted a more wide-open game, and they've got it.  It's difficult to execute the "good old fashioned" type of game when the league has legislated out many of its tactics.
     It is getting difficult to play good physical defensive hockey because of rule changes but there still is some teams that are doing it. The Preds are pretty good in their own end. Look at what the Isles are doing with that pathetic roster. They dont have anything close to a number one dman and their goaltending is below average but their defensive numbers aren't bad.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 08:13:10 PM Eastern
Does nobody else think that we're compensating for our lak of wxperience on the back end?  Is it just me then?

Am I the only one that thinks that we're playing to our strenghts and "Capitalixing" on our forwards and their skill to overcome our current lack of experience on D?
Sorry, that's the way I see it. 
Our guys are incredibly skilled and experienced up front, so the more goals they score, more relief for the whole team.  Holtby hasn't been at his best  yet and stupid, dumb, unneccesary penalties (Yes Bowey - lookind at you) don't help.

I think we're compensating quite well.   ....   Imho.
    Well if are dcore is weak its more reason for our forwards to help by backcheckng. Our forwards have been just as responsible for our defensive play as our defense. Defense is more about the system than individual play.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 09:53:34 PM Eastern
All ltrue.  And our more experienced players are doing so.  Including Ovi.
At the same time, our rookies and young-uns are helping out too.  Otherwise we wouldn't have been so winning - ey.... :raspberry:
Doesn't detract from our backend.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 09:54:59 PM Eastern

some of us are 8)


some of us aren’t  :lol:
:raspberry:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday December 18, 2018, 09:59:30 PM Eastern
    Well if are dcore is weak its more reason for our forwards to help by backcheckng. Our forwards have been just as responsible for our defensive play as our defense. Defense is more about the system than individual play.
I actually like the way Reirdon  teaching  our young Dcorps.  They become responsible for their stupid plays. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 05:38:13 AM Eastern
I actually like the way Reirdon  teaching  our young Dcorps.  They become responsible for their stupid plays.
    The funny thing is that the young guys are playing well. Its Orlov and Niskanen that are struggling. Its been disaster for that pair this year.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 10:11:31 AM Eastern
The object of a hockey game is to score more goals than your opponent.  So if you score 6 goals and your opponent scores 5 you win and if you score 1 goal and your opponent scores 0 goals you win.  There is no difference.  You have two wins,  one is no better than the other.  Personally I like watching high scoring games, other people may like watching low scoring games.  I want the Caps to win and I really don’t care how they win.  The Caps are good at adapting to the way the other team plays, if their opponent wants to play a wide open game the Caps can play that game and succeed.  If the opponent wants to play a tight checking game the Caps can play that style and win as they showed in the playoffs last season.  DC I don’t know why you doubt that the Caps can’t play like they did in the playoffs when they have basically the same players.  Despite what you may think the system Rierden is using is not much different if any than the system Trotz used.
Just score more than your opponent works fine for pick-up games on the pond or rec league but thats about it. If thats the case why not just trade/cut Holtby and get web-developer to suit-up and play goalie and get another 40 goal scorer with the cap space so than we win 12-11?

Hell when only one kid/person has goalie equipment, he plays goal doesn't he?

Why doubt them?  What trust them?  What solid data and analysis supports having blind faith and conifidence in them? 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 10:19:29 AM Eastern
    Well if are dcore is weak its more reason for our forwards to help by backcheckng. Our forwards have been just as responsible for our defensive play as our defense. Defense is more about the system than individual play.
Exactly why we call it a pond hockey system


But hey they're scoring so who cares right?  :lol:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:08:59 AM Eastern
Just score more than your opponent works fine for pick-up games on the pond or rec league but thats about it. If thats the case why not just trade/cut Holtby and get web-developer to suit-up and play goalie and get another 40 goal scorer with the cap space so than we win 12-11?

Hell when the only  kid/person has goalie equipment, he plays goal doesn't he?

Why doubt them?  What trust them?  What solid data and analysis supports having blind faith and conifidence in them?
    I agree about the Holtby comment. I feel bad for him. I have read his comments about how he is not happy with the way game is changing. Some teams are still focused on defence but we aren't one of those teams. We are pretty much throwing Holtby under a bus and asking him to bail us out. People think Holtby is playing like crap because his numbers aren't great but that isn't the case. He has had  some games. He has also won a few games for us.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:46:22 AM Eastern
    I agree about the Holtby comment. I feel bad for him. I have read his comments about how he is not happy with the way game is changing. Some teams are still focused on defence but we aren't one of those teams. We are pretty much throwing Holtby under a bus and asking him to bail us out. People think Holtby is playing like crap because his numbers aren't great but that isn't the case. He has had  some games. He has also won a few games for us.
You're damn right!


Without Holtby, we probably wouldn't be a .500 team this year, and sure we sure as hell wouldn't have a Cup.

The minimal, if any, support from or forwards he gets is "just the new NHL" and none of the Caps players or coaches are accountable for that right?

Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: alta on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 12:06:53 PM Eastern
You're damn right!


Without Holtby, we probably wouldn't be a .500 team this year, and sure we sure as hell wouldn't have a Cup.

The minimal, if any, support from or forwards he gets is "just the new NHL" and none of the Caps players or coaches are accountable for that right?


hence my questioning the "classic Holtby" comment
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 12:13:08 PM Eastern
    I agree about the Holtby comment. I feel bad for him. I have read his comments about how he is not happy with the way game is changing. Some teams are still focused on defence but we aren't one of those teams. We are pretty much throwing Holtby under a bus and asking him to bail us out. People think Holtby is playing like crap because his numbers aren't great but that isn't the case. He has had  some games. He has also won a few games for us.




If Holtby is unhappy with the way that the game is changing, he should bring it up to the league office (which, for all I know, he may already have.)  It isn't the organization's fault that they are trying to adapt to the way that the league as a whole has changed.  And in fact, looking at the GFA and GAA, it appears that the Caps, relatively speaking, may be doing a better job of adapting to the changes than many other teams in the league.  I know Holtby would like to return to the days when he was near or at the top in GAA and a Vezina candidate, but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.  You don't see Ovechkin whining about how he could have more goals if he hadn't played most of his career thus far in a relatively low-scoring era in the NHL.


Holtby is a good goalie.  He's recognized as such, including financially.  His job is to do the best that he can given the game environment in which he is placed, and it may well be that that is exactly what he is doing.  If he is unhappy he is a free agent in a couple of years and can seek out an organization that he thinks will protect him better, if that is what he wants to do.  If he is worried that his stats are going to hurt his next contract, he can point to his W/L record, his Stanley Cup, his exemplary performance in the playoffs over his career, and he will still be paid handsomely.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 12:23:24 PM Eastern



If Holtby is unhappy with the way that the game is changing, he should bring it up to the league office (which, for all I know, he may already have.)  It isn't the organization's fault that they are trying to adapt to the way that the league as a whole has changed.  And in fact, looking at the GFA and GAA, it appears that the Caps, relatively speaking, may be doing a better job of adapting to the changes than many other teams in the league.  I know Holtby would like to return to the days when he was near or at the top in GAA and a Vezina candidate, but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.  You don't see Ovechkin whining about how he could have more goals if he hadn't played most of his career thus far in a relatively low-scoring era in the NHL.


Holtby is a good goalie.  He's recognized as such, including financially.  His job is to do the best that he can given the game environment in which he is placed, and it may well be that that is exactly what he is doing.  If he is unhappy he is a free agent in a couple of years and can seek out an organization that he thinks will protect him better, if that is what he wants to do.  If he is worried that his stats are going to hurt his next contract, he can point to his W/L record, his Stanley Cup, his exemplary performance in the playoffs over his career, and he will still be paid handsomely.

By recognized you mean having the team play a stat-padding system that puts him in a front of firing squad of quality scoring chances, and a roster with no regard to the PK, shot blocking, or crease clearing right?

If you insist that that is "just the NHL nowadays", and this is beyond the coaches and players control,   you have bought yourself a nice bridge.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 12:45:12 PM Eastern
    I have to agree with DC. There are teams that are still playing a defensively responsible system. You dont have to look any further than the Islanders. On paper that is a bad team. They dont have any true star players. Some might say Barzal but I dont think he is. In paper it might be the weakest dcore in the league Boychuck might be their best defender and he is 34. And their goaltending is well below average. Griess and Lehner were amongst the worst goalies in the league last year. All of a sudden they are putting up decent numbers. What they are doing is all because of the system because talent wise they should be at or near the basement.
     There really is no reason that we can't be successful with a more structured system. We did it in the past. It won us a cup. Why would you change a system that has been so successful? Unless like DC says, it's all about marketing.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 01:25:27 PM Eastern
 :huh: Games played to points earned we're 2nd in the league, winning the division, won 12 of the last 14 and defending the Stanley Cup..  Lets bitch!!!  :uh-huh: :rofl:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 03:08:55 PM Eastern
:huh: Games played to points earned we're 2nd in the league, winning the division, won 12 of the last 14 and defending the Stanley Cup..  Lets bitch!!!  :uh-huh: :rofl:
We’re winning despite playing very bad and very ugly, which doesn’t bode well for a team work a target on its head and a rookie head coach. 


We should all know by now that this style and methodology looses way more than it wins
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 03:45:22 PM Eastern
Holtby is unhappy?


Maybe he should play for Philly or better yet Jersey and see what his stats are.  I think that is all just a load of crap.  What player on this team should be unhappy?  (except maybe Bura, but that is his own doing which he will never recognize)  The stars have a chance to shine on this teame and some young guys are getting chances to show what they can do.  I don't think anyone undervalues Holtby based on his GAA this year.  Any team would be happy to have him, but that doesn't mean his stats would be any better elsewhere.  So what.... you move to another team where you GAA drops from 2.99 to 2.79, but you miss the playoffs cause your team can't score enough goals to win enough games?  GREAT!  Anyone think that would make a goalie happy?


Holtby's stats may not be what they were before but who the hell cares?  He is an excellent goaltender and WE DEPEND ON HIM.....which is the way it should be.
You have to rely on your best players to be your best players...including the goaltender.  That is one, if if not THE KEY position needed to win a cup, and one of the main reasons we have one.


Holtby being unhappy about the way the league is changing is not a CAPITALS issue.  It's league wide.


Anyway, yes we certainly could play better defensively as a whole...forwards, D, systems, etc.  Yes I would like to see more physical play and better discipline.  But I sure as hell am enjoying the way Ovi is scoring goals


I still don't see how we can bitch about winning 12 out of 14.  Some ugly; yes.  Some undeserved; yes.  Some stolen by Holtby; yes.  But that's true of any 12/14 streak on any team I would say.  Especially in this game where dumb luck and bad/good bounces change the outcome of the game.


I'd say one of my biggest concerns is the number of penalties - especially dumb ones.  I believe they will clean that up by the playoffs.  (or they will get bounced early, but that is true of any team)



Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 03:46:01 PM Eastern
We’re winning despite playing very bad and very ugly, which doesn’t bode well for a team work a target on its head and a rookie head coach. 


We should all know by now that this style and methodology looses wins way more than it wins loses, at least for this team in the regular season.




Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 04:21:40 PM Eastern



Fixed it for you.
yea, like all comments i’m this thread, you missed the point.

But I get it, you like  6-5 OT wins in December even if the result of this a(nother) first round exit.  I mean “Mr. Leonisis” said the goal was “A Cup”, not two, not a dynasty, and not becoming a top organization, so we should all just sit back and watch the goals because we have a,(one, uno, single, solitary, one squared, one to the first power, <2) Cup.   
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 04:29:55 PM Eastern
We’re winning despite playing very bad and very ugly, which doesn’t bode well for a team work a target on its head and a rookie head coach. 


We should all know by now that this style and methodology looses way more than it wins



That's just it, Im not seeing this very bad/ugly pond hockey you and Maaco are? I've seen some bad plays sure, I've seen some soft goals, I've seen some shitty PKs, but poor structure and ugly play? Not sure what you guys are watching.. Holtbys been good, but if you think he's been making 10 bell saves to keep us in games I'd say he's given up nearly as many softies and head standers.. Maybe it's my Stanley Cup goggles??  :hearts:
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: 4 Caps on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 05:05:08 PM Eastern

That's just it, Im not seeing this very bad/ugly pond hockey you and Maaco are? I've seen some bad plays sure, I've seen some soft goals, I've seen some shitty PKs, but poor structure and ugly play? Not sure what you guys are watching.. Holtbys been good, but if you think he's been making 10 bell saves to keep us in games I'd say he's given up nearly as many softies and head standers.. Maybe it's my Stanley Cup goggles??  :hearts:
I am with you Mickstix.  Overall, the Caps have been playing well except for taking too many penalties and not being able to kill them off.  5 on 5 we have been the better team in most of the games.  As for Holtby being unhappy, the only mention of his unhappiness that I have seen was in connection with the change in the goalie equipment and that he was getting a lot of bruises.  It was not that he was unhappy with how the Caps were playing in front of him. 
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 05:42:56 PM Eastern
I am with you Mickstix.  Overall, the Caps have been playing well except for taking too many penalties and not being able to kill them off.  5 on 5 we have been the better team in most of the games.  As for Holtby being unhappy, the only mention of his unhappiness that I have seen was in connection with the change in the goalie equipment and that he was getting a lot of bruises.  It was not that he was unhappy with how the Caps were playing in front of him.


I'm with you guys.  Yes not always stellar play, but not this video game stuff DC is hung up on.  We love DC, but he's gonna still be unhappy when we lead the league in fights, win every game, have 7 Stanley Cups, beat the living shit out of every oponent every game.  He's still going to be mad at Ted for wanting a winning team that turns a profit.  I don't have a problem with Ted turning a profit as long as means the Caps are winning and have a reasonable chance at a good playoff run.  I don't consider it a total failure if we don't win the cup EVERY YEAR.
Sure I want to win, but lets be real....so do all the other NHL teams.

Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 07:46:34 PM Eastern

That's just it, Im not seeing this very bad/ugly pond hockey you and Maaco are? I've seen some bad plays sure, I've seen some soft goals, I've seen some shitty PKs, but poor structure and ugly play? Not sure what you guys are watching.. Holtbys been good, but if you think he's been making 10 bell saves to keep us in games I'd say he's given up nearly as many softies and head standers.. Maybe it's my Stanley Cup goggles??  :hearts:
    Actually I agree with your assessment on Holtby. He is playing well but not exceptional. That's kind of my point. 2 seasons ago when we allowed the fewest goals in the league Holtby didn't play any better even though his numbers were so much better.
    It is the play if the team in front of him that has changed, not his play.
I do agree with DC about the pond hockey though. We have gone from a team that gives up few high scoring chances to one if the worst. Our personnel hasn't changed that much. I'd say the problem is the system.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:42:39 PM Eastern
One common characteristic I see, throughout the entire NHL, and present in ALL the teams that play, is a higher presence of random, more chaotic, general play, marked by unplanned spontaneity, where more of the positive, AND negative, results appear as if they’ve just been “happened into”, as opposed to resulting from a well planned execution of a play!


Its not a coincidence that we see a de-emphasis on the implementation, and respect for, basic hockey fundamentals, ride, side by side, with these characteristics of the game NOW.


We see also, most teams, having to work on a variety of issues, throughout the season. These varied issues seem to rise up, often, out of nowhere, or for little reason, other than they are present!


I’ve noticed a loss in the number of teams not having a “solid rep”, that identifies an obvious good characteristic about them! At a minimum, the media may try to engage in giving a rep to a team, but I feel they have to stretch their case a bit to be believed!


As compared, as an example, to the reputation the Boston Bruins had years back, as a very physical team to play.
Now, it seems you have a situation, where teams can look physical, one night, soft, on another, speedy, super offensive, slow, gritty, WHATEVER, on any given night!
Certainly, not every team, all the time, but the fickleness of the games, is at a considerably higher degree than ever before!


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Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:53:01 PM Eastern
To follow up, I like Holtby enough.
I was surprised that he seemed to use today’s game style, as part of the reason he had a rough time in the last half of last years season.
Although that comment seemed uncharacteristic of Holtz, to me, I thought strongly that it was a pathetically weak excuse, as this situation is the same for ALL goalies, league wide!!


 I just chalked it off to maybe he had a lot of frustration, however, that statement would have been more understandable, had he said it during the season. Instead, he said it during the summer after we won the Stanley Cup!  Kinda weak on his part, albeit uncharacteristic for him, in his defense!


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Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: Maacoshark on Thursday December 20, 2018, 07:37:45 AM Eastern
To follow up, I like Holtby enough.
I was surprised that he seemed to use today’s game style, as part of the reason he had a rough time in the last half of last years season.
Although that comment seemed uncharacteristic of Holtz, to me, I thought strongly that it was a pathetically weak excuse, as this situation is the same for ALL goalies, league wide!!


 I just chalked it off to maybe he had a lot of frustration, however, that statement would have been more understandable, had he said it during the season. Instead, he said it during the summer after we won the Stanley Cup!  Kinda weak on his part, albeit uncharacteristic for him, in his defense!


Rush
    Actually I thought Holtby was too polite when he made those comments. He should have been ripping his team mates new asshole. They threw him under the bus and are doing it again this year.
Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Friday December 21, 2018, 12:20:00 AM Eastern
    Actually I thought Holtby was too polite when he made those comments. He should have been ripping his team mates new asshole. They threw him under the bus and are doing it again this year.


I believe, as Mickstix, says, that Holtz has had both great saves AND great blunders, this year, that have both WON, and LOST games for us. Hell, not just this year either!!
In all of the Trotz years, and this year, Holtby has had his ups and downs, like any goalie!


Holtby, or any starting goalie for that matter, would be an absolute fuckin’ idiot to start “ripping his team mates a new asshole”!  Are you KIDDING!!! It’s just not done, PERIOD!! True NHL professionals don’t publicly call out their team mates! The natural bonding, between players, and the required teamwork, to even play hockey, weigh so heavily against an individual player calling out ANY teammate!  And, if it DID happen, the team, coaches, and management would END IT, immediately!!


It is universally true in hockey, that successful teams win games throughout the season, in many ways! Sometimes the goalies stand on their heads, whether thrown under the bus or not, and sometimes teams win IN SPITE OF their goalies bad performance!! This is NHL Hockey 101! Including the Capitals!! Individual players to not call their fellow teammates out!  I’ve never even seen it happen, although I can’t say that it has NEVER happened! But it would be rare, awkward, and foolish!!




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Title: Re: GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Friday December 21, 2018, 12:38:14 AM Eastern
Just to add a bit of context.


Holtby meant those comments as a response to what may have contributed to his bad play and goalie stat numbers, in the last half of the 2017 season, when he was pulled for Gruby, temporarily!


He made them, REFLECTING BACK, somewhere in the time period just before this season started, I believe, and also AFTER we had won the Stanley Cup!!


What do you think Holtby should have said???  (Holtby):...”Uh, I was replaced by Gruby, because of my bad performance numbers!!  They really weren’t my fault though, because Carlson, Kempny, Orlov, Nisky, Brooks, and the rest of the D, played like shit, and threw me under the bus”!! 😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣


Gimme a fuckin break!!! LMFAO!!


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