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Tue. Jan. 12 Washington Capitals @ Carolina Hurricanes
Place: PNC Arena
Time: 7:30 p.m.
TV: NBC Sports Washington, FS-CR
Radio: 106.7 The Fan, Capitals Radio 24/7
Carolina Hurricanes 46-19-15-8 Last Game: Jan 11, Won 3-1 against Capitals
Washington Capitals 57-27-14-3 Last Game: Jan 11, Lost 1-3 against Hurricanes
Note: 72-Travis Boyd Recalled from Hershey in case someone else gets sick.
8-Ovechkin 19-Bäckström 25-Smith-Pelly
13-Vrana 92-Kuznetsov 43-Wilson
10-Connolly 20-Eller 77-Oshie
18-Stephenson 83-Beagle 39-Chaisson
29-Djoos 74-Carlson
9-Orlov 2-Niskanen
44-Orpik 22-Bowey
70-Holtby
31-Grubauer (starter)
-- SCRATCH --
65-Burakovsky (SICK)
4-Chorney
72-Boyd
-- INJURED --
-- 1st Powerplay Unit --
77-Oshie 19-Bäckström 92-Kuznetsov
8-Ovechkin 74-Carlson
-- 2nd Powerplay Unit --
39-Chaisson 20-Eller 13-Vrana
2-Niskanen 9-Orlov
Referees: TJ Luxmore (#21) Steve Kozari (#40)
Linesmen: Derek Nansen (#70), Brian Mach (#78)
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1st Period
03:20 Canes PP GOAL Staal 1-0 CAR
07:25 PP GOAL 20-Eller, assists 13-Vrana & 8-Ovechkin 1-1 TIE
2nd Period
0:28 GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 74-Carlson & 92-Kuznetsov 2-1 WSH
08:50 Canes PP GOAL AHO 2-2 TIE
3rd Period
01:49 Canes GOAL Skinner 3-2 CAR
16:52 GOAL 10-Connolly, unassisted 3-3 TIE
19:58 GOAL 83-Beagle, assists 19-Bäckström & 8-Ovechkin 4-3 WSH
FINAL: 4-3 WSH
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Under new ownership, Hurricanes host Capitals
RALEIGH, N.C. --- It's bound to be quite a day around the Carolina Hurricanes on Friday.
A new owner officially takes over and the Hurricanes take on the Washington Capitals at PNC Arena in a rematch of Thursday night's game in Washington.
The Hurricanes are already riding a high with the 3-1 victory against the Metropolitan Division-leading Capitals before heading home after the game in anticipation of the back-end of the games on consecutive nights.
On Friday afternoon, the formal introduction of new owner Tom Dundon takes place with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman attending.
The Hurricanes (20-15-8) will look to deliver a welcoming victory for the new owner.
"Not a lot changes between games," Carolina coach Bill Peters said of facing the same team on consecutive nights. "It's fresh in your memory."
The back-to-back setup against the same opponent isn't all that common.
"I think you've got to take it one period at a time," Capitals coach Barry Trotz said. "Win the period and try to collect as many periods as you can."
Carolina goalie Scott Darling made 27 saves Thursday night, so that could make for a tough decision for Peters because goalie Cam Ward has been on a good roll for the past month.
"We've got a back-to-back, we anticipate using both of them," Peters said. "We'll see. We'll fly home and make an assessment of the game."
Dundon has spent time around the team in recent weeks, so his ownership role doesn't mark his first up close look of the Hurricanes.
Thursday night's game was tough for the Capitals (27-14-3), who completed a three-game homestand.
Trotz said he has some flexibility with this lineup and he's trying to use that while it's available.
"I look at our schedule, we try to keep some guys in the lineup," Trotz said. "So, I'm rotating (off) a player each time. It is a reality of our schedule and where we are. We're trying to get everybody involved and keep them involved."
With the end of the five-game winning streak, the Capitals want to start another.
"It's going to be playoff mode from this time on," said Trotz, who expects his team to play at a spirited level. "The group has found its own new identity. I think we can be better in a number of areas. We can be better in some of our decision-making and puck management areas. Those two areas come to mind. Some of the details in our game need to be tightened."
Defeating the Capitals is a bonus for the Hurricanes, who lost to Washington by 5-4 in overtime earlier this month at home.
"We have to tighten up," Peters said of the plan against Washington. "What they get they have to earn. We know how to play when we play the right way."
This will be the first Carolina home game since defenseman Noah Hanifin was selected to participate in the NHL All-Star weekend.
"I'm excited," Hanifin said. "It should be a great experience."
The Hurricanes might be in line for a roster move after defenseman Brett Pesce missed Thursday night's game with an upper-body injury suffered earlier in the day during the morning skate.
Lars “Tiger” Eller Is Stepping Up
By Ben Sumner (http://capitalsoutsider.com/author/bsumner/)
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GRRRRRR (Caps Outsider)
Lars Eller came to Washington to be the third line center and has done the job admirably, avoiding the line-shuffling that almost every other forward on the team has experienced, including his own wingers.
And now, the 28-year-old Dane is one of the hottest players on the team, scoring in each of the past three games (4 in his past 6) and having his nickname, “Tiger” come to light.
According to The Washington Post’s Jesse Dougherty (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capitals-insider/wp/2018/01/11/capitals-lars-eller-finds-his-groove-midway-through-the-season/?utm_term=.b992b4ef9b44), the players have been calling him “Tiger” since a team-building exercise last year, and the Caps have been playing Survivor’s “Eye of the Tiger” after Eller scores at Capital One Arena, including after his lone goal for the Caps in a 3-1 loss to Carolina on Thursday.
To Eller, it’s just a matter of shooting the puck. “I had a long stretch when I didn’t score, but I was still getting chances. Sometimes they just go in, but for a stretch they didn’t.”
Head coach Barry Trotz described Eller’s play of late as ‘hard and heavy.”
In 43 games this season, Eller already has 8 goals and 12 assists, well on pace for career highs. Now let’s jam to this:
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well, . . . back to backs are always interesting. I’m not expecting much, but it could turn out to be a fun one
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I actually expect the Caps to show up from the opening drop, it's rare they sleep through two in row
it is definitely flu season, and once it gets in the lockeroom it's going to run the course
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I actually expect the Caps to show up from the opening drop, it's rare they sleep through two in row
it is definitely flu season, and once it gets in the lockeroom it's going to run the course
I feel the same. Caps will come out hard and AWAKE! Knock on wood.
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Another weak call. Connolly appeared to be nearly stationary and was run into. BS.
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Another weak call. Connolly appeared to be nearly stationary and was run into. BS.
I thought Connolly took a run at the guy. Need to see a replay. Not sure what Orpik was doing on that pk. He left his spot
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That had to be the craziest pile of bodies to score a goal I've ever seen.
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bout time . . .
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bull shit call
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Ward was holding Eller's stick.
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Hell yeah! The refs got it right! Ward was the cause of his own interference.
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Ward was holding Eller's stick.
He was definitely holding Ellers stick.
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I still don't know for sure who got the goal. Vrana I thought, then Carlson is listed on the box score, but now Locker saying Eller.
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the goalie was just as guilty of interference,
I think on all challenges the losing team should get a delay of game.
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bout time . . .
But of can ugly goal. I like it.
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took the crowd back out of it
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Another weak call. Connolly appeared to be nearly stationary and was run into. BS.
I thought Connolly took a run at the guy. Need to see a replay. Not sure what Orpik was doing on that pk. He left his spot
I saw Connolly just protecting himself. The Cane went straight at him and turned his head to make it appear he did not see him. I hate fakers that draw penalties with misleading BS.
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Now I’ve never been waterboarded before, but it can’t be much worse than watchin The Canes more than two games in a row. . .
Passive-effeminate stick play with a figure skater and some kid with a three letter name that’s a “dangler”. . . Hell i’ve seen woman’s teams more violent than them, and i don’t think i’ve ever sat through an entire woman’s hockey game. . .
For his sake, I hope Williams retires at the end of this season because he looks like the only real player on that team
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Now I’ve never been waterboarded before, but it can’t be much worse than watchin The Canes more than two games in a row. . .
Passive-effeminate stick play with a figure skater and some kid with a three letter name that’s a “dangler”. . . Hell i’ve seen woman’s teams more violent than them, and i don’t think i’ve ever sat through an entire woman’s hockey game. . .
For his sake, I hope Williams retires at the end of this season because he looks like the only real player on that team
LOL! Liked!
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what is it about this team that they don't stand up for Holts like that?
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Another wasted PP. You can't score if you don't shoot the puck. Very sad that this message is so difficult to get through their thick heads.
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Another wasted PP. You can't score if you don't shoot the puck. Very sad that this message is so difficult to get through their thick heads.
Pp is looking terrible. Especially Kuzy. He is trying to force passes that aren't there. He also hangs on to the puck too long. We need way quicker puck movement on the pp
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why change what still works
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why change what still works
Technically it wasn't a pp goal. BTW our pp has worked very well in recent games.
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Winning is what it's all about.
Pretty or ugly, who f'n cares.
Just win Ovi.
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Nice PK there guys. 😡
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Carlson could have tried to block that one, but was a little slow reacting to the play.
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Shit. Our pk sucks
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Then a weak slashing penalty
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2 power play goals against.. You think something needs to be done?
Penalties abound.. How about 3 power play against. Suck asses
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heh imagine the things you can say about Ahos sister. . . 🤣🤣🤗🤗🤣🤣🤣
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Carlson could have tried to block that one, but was a little slow reacting to the play.
He let the goalie see the puck. Normally that shot is stoppable if the goalie can see it. When all else fails blame Carlson. Come on guys.
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heh imagine the things you can say about Ahos sister. . . 🤣🤣🤗🤗🤣🤣🤣
::) Give us one . . . .
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Carlson could have tried to block that one, but was a little slow reacting to the play.
He let the goalie see the puck. Normally that shot is stoppable if the goalie can see it. When all else fails blame Carlson. Come on guys.
I'll give 50/50 on that one. I'm not all bad!
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heh imagine the things you can say about Ahos sister. . .
::) Give us one . . . .
well first “your sisters Aho” . . .
Basically , any remarks you normally would insult ones sister, or mother should it be deserved, with you can add that she’s Aho .
Well you gotta find something fun when that boring wussy team is playing
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Grubauer was a bit out if position on the goal. Not sure if he didnt see the puck go back to Aho. Carlson maybe could have tried to block it.
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heh imagine the things you can say about Ahos sister. . . 🤣🤣🤗🤗🤣🤣🤣
::) Give us one . . . .
well first “you’re sisters Aho” . . . 🤣
LOL. I did not see that one coming. I got a good laugh!
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Weak call? A blatant hold is what I saw, and Carlson did not even argue. We see it differently at times. The Norris candidate chop was kind of funny. I'd roll with it. :D We're all here to have fun and be friends. Taking a gentle poke is sometimes a part of that. :)
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Weak call? A blatant hold is what I saw, and Carlson did not even argue. We see it differently at times. The Norris candidate chop was kind of funny. I'd roll with it. :D We're all here to have fun and be friends. Taking a gentle poke is sometimes a part of that. :)
I still think we should call a spade a spade. Dont rip one guy for taking a penalty but let Connolly, Orlov and Kuzy off the hook for the penalties they took.
Geez I can't believe I keep defending Carlson. I never thought too much about him until I met you guys. You guys are so hard on him here that I took him under my wing to protect him. I'll drop the gloves if I have to.
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Not only did I not whine about the Connoly call, I didn't see it. Which is why I didn't whine.
Pay attention to who you are reading and quoting boy
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Dammit!!!
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hey, someone just got yet one more minus
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Shit. We can't loose both of these
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nice work by Willy
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Staal dove there
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Shit. We can't loose both of these
Yes. We can.
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Shit. We can't loose both of these
We can't, but the Caps can
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More importantly, will Oshie EVER score again? Making a TON of money for no production.
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Weak call? A blatant hold is what I saw, and Carlson did not even argue. We see it differently at times. The Norris candidate chop was kind of funny. I'd roll with it. :D We're all here to have fun and be friends. Taking a gentle poke is sometimes a part of that. :)
I still think we should call a spade a spade. Dont rip one guy for taking a penalty but let Connolly, Orlov and Kuzy off the hook for the penalties they took.
Geez I can't believe I keep defending Carlson. I never thought too much about him until I met you guys. You guys are so hard on him here that I took him under my wing to protect him. I'll drop the gloves if I have to.
If you go back in history you'll see that almost no Capital has been unscathed by our group. They've almost all had long periods of bashing. Your protectionism of 74 might be drawing a little more attention than usual.
I hope you're joking about dropping the gloves. Carlson has always been a mixed bag, but he's been a force at times like this season.
Do you recall how we used to bash Mike Green for similar reasons?
It can be difficult to get a sense of the person you are texting, emailing and such, but I'll tell you flat out I am writing with warm regards, so don't take this any other way.
:)
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Not only did I not whine about the Connoly call, I didn't see it. Which is why I didn't whine.
Pay attention to who you are reading and quoting boy
My apologies. Its hard to keep track of all the Carlson haters. I'll try to watch closer boy
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. . . are toe-picks legal in the NHL?
If not i’m sure some of the Canes are usin em. . .
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More importantly, will Oshie EVER score again? Making a TON of money for no production.
Yeah, it's time to bash Oshie. Too slow to get back to his old self. I wonder if he's 100%.
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Weak call? A blatant hold is what I saw, and Carlson did not even argue. We see it differently at times. The Norris candidate chop was kind of funny. I'd roll with it. :D We're all here to have fun and be friends. Taking a gentle poke is sometimes a part of that. :)
I still think we should call a spade a spade. Dont rip one guy for taking a penalty but let Connolly, Orlov and Kuzy off the hook for the penalties they took.
Geez I can't believe I keep defending Carlson. I never thought too much about him until I met you guys. You guys are so hard on him here that I took him under my wing to protect him. I'll drop the gloves if I have to.
If you go back in history you'll see that almost no Capital has been unscathed by our group. They've almost all had long periods of bashing. Your protectionism of 74 might be drawing a little more attention than usual.
I hope your joking about dropping the gloves. Carlson has always been a mixed bag, but he's been a force at times like this season.
Do you recall how we used to bash Mike Green for similar reasons?
It can be difficult to get a sense of the person you are texting, emailing and such, but I'll tell you flat out I am writing with warm regards, so don't take this any other way.
:)
Of course I'm kidding about dropping the gloves. Although in the past I have been known to get into some altercations. Especially if alcohol was involved. Thank god In grew up. Sort of.
I totally understand bashing Green. I bashed him myself. I do see Carlson making some of the same mistakes Green made when he was here.
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Caps showing they are a very average hockey team. Poor two nights in a row.
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
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More importantly, will Oshie EVER score again? Making a TON of money for no production.
Yeah, it's time to bash Oshie. Too slow to get back to his old self. I wonder if he's 100%.
I dont know what is going on with Oshie. I have to be honest I didn't care for Oshie when he was with the Blues because he had bad stretches. We haven't seen that from him until now.
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Good pressure from TJ created that.
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game on!!!!
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.
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Kuzy just got away with a high stick
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.
I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing. You do know that CORSI is flawed too??
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great effort Beags!!!!!
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I just yelled loud enough to really scare the kitties.
SCHWEET!
Release the hound!
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WOW!!!! What a win!
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Wow that game was just handed to us. We will take it.
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OV doesn't deserve an assist on that
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WHAT A HUGE WIN!!!!
Played hard and sucky, but pulled it off.
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now THATS A GOAL!!!!
One of the best goals all year. . .
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.
I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing
I know Carlson has made some mistakes that have lead to goals. All of our defensemen have. He has also done a lot if good things for our team but you refuse to acknowledge that. Funny you rip him for being a minus 3 which I believe is now a minus 2 and if you take the empty net goals away he is a plus 4. You also have to remember he plays a lot of minutes against the top players. You say he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game. You think Letang over Carlson? Letang has been a pylon all year.
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now THATS A GOAL!!!!
One of the best goals all year. . .
I agree. Go to the net and good things happen.
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.
I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing
I know Carlson has made some mistakes that have lead to goals. All of our defensemen have. He has also done a lot if good things for our team but you refuse to acknowledge that. Funny you rip him for being a minus 3 which I believe is now a minus 2 and if you take the empty net goals away he is a plus 4. You also have to remember he plays a lot of minutes against the top players. You say he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game. You think Letang over Carlson? Letang has been a pylon all year.
I haven't watched enough of Letang to say, but I've seen enough of the Metro play to say Carlson wasn't dissed.
Have you even wondered why your opinion of Carlson is in an extreme minority?? It obviously hasn't occurred to you but you are capable of being wrong. and if you've really paid attention to what I've said over the years it's obvious I'm not that big on OV either. This team has needed a different captain for about four years now.
You keep saying things like this...
"I totally understand bashing Green. I bashed him myself. I do see Carlson making some of the same mistakes Green made when he was here"
yet at the same time call Carlson a Norris candidate?? and somehow everyone but you is wrong in what they see ::)
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Some bitch asked both Beagle and Trotz why Beagle didn’t get off the ice after the faceoff . . .
Did she want OT? What a twat.
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I gotta say, some of the better "gentalmens clubs" I've been to are in Raleigh.
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Some bitch asked both Beagle and Trotz why Beagle didn’t get off the ice after the faceoff . . .
Did she want OT? What a twat.
after 41 games about half of these sports journalists have run out of ideas, much less questions to ask
I put Courtny in that category
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heh imagine the things you can say about Ahos sister. . . 🤣🤣🤗🤗🤣🤣🤣
Creatively good, DC!!! LOL👍
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.
I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing
I know Carlson has made some mistakes that have lead to goals. All of our defensemen have. He has also done a lot if good things for our team but you refuse to acknowledge that. Funny you rip him for being a minus 3 which I believe is now a minus 2 and if you take the empty net goals away he is a plus 4. You also have to remember he plays a lot of minutes against the top players. You say he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game. You think Letang over Carlson? Letang has been a pylon all year.
I haven't watched enough of Letang to say, but I've seem enough of the Metro play to say Carlson wasn't dissed.
Have even wondered why your opinion of Carlson is in an extreme minority?? It obviously hasn't occurred to you but you are capable of being wrong.
You dont even really know my official opinion of Carlson. And my opinion isn't a minority anywhere but here and I dont get it. Who do you think deserves to be can all-star over Carlson in the metro? Seth Jones? Ya I can live with that. Letang? He has been brutal. Leddy? Probably worse than Letang. Shattenkirk? Lmao . Carlson has outplayed them all both sides of the ice and your opinion doesn't change that. Is he the best dman in the league? Hell no but he us by far our best dman.
Since we are talking about opinions here is my official opinion of Carlson. I think he is a decent 2 way dman. Plays pp and kills penalties. Has a good shot. Pretty good at joining the rush. His defense can be suspect at times. He is decent at one on one coverage. He does have a good stick defensively. His biggest faults are turnovers on lazy passes and lack of physical play. You guys think I am a Carlson lover when the truth us he isn't even one of my 5 favorites players on this team. I have defended him because I dont like how he gets blamed for everything but get very little credit for the good things he does. His name gets thrown out there with more negativity than anyone else on this team.
At first I thought the Caps wouldn't keep him after this season but with all the losses on defense I feel that has changed. The Caps have already had talks with Carlson. Sorry guys but I'm pretty sure Carlson isn't going anywhere.
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Carolina just handed this game away. The missed high stick call in Kuzy may have helped too. Officiating has been a bug issue this season. It seems every game there is a controversy call or non call. Glad it went our way tonight.
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1st Period
03:20 Canes PP GOAL Staal 1-0 CAR
07:25 PP GOAL 20-Eller, assists 13-Vrana & 8-Ovechkin 1-1 TIE
2nd Period
0:28 GOAL 8-Ovechkin, assists 74-Carlson & 92-Kuznetsov 2-1 WSH
08:50 Canes PP GOAL AHO 2-2 TIE
3rd Period
01:49 Canes GOAL Skinner 3-2 CAR
16:52 GOAL 10-Connolly, unassisted 3-3 TIE
19:58 GOAL 83-Beagle, assists 19-Bäckström & 8-Ovechkin 4-3 WSH
FINAL: 4-3 WSH
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what an incredibly smart play from Norris candidate
It funny how you rip Carlson for taking a penalty on a weak call but whine when Connolly get called for a blatant interference penalty. At least try to keep it realistic.
Weak call? A blatant hold is what I saw, and Carlson did not even argue. We see it differently at times. The Norris candidate chop was kind of funny. I'd roll with it. :D We're all here to have fun and be friends. Taking a gentle poke is sometimes a part of that. :)
I still think we should call a spade a spade. Dont rip one guy for taking a penalty but let Connolly, Orlov and Kuzy off the hook for the penalties they took.
Geez I can't believe I keep defending Carlson. I never thought too much about him until I met you guys. You guys are so hard on him here that I took him under my wing to protect him. I'll drop the gloves if I have to.
Hey Maaco! Try to hear me out on this one.
I can’t believe you keep defending the guy either! I can certainly respect your opinion, no problem, I just don’t understand WHY you have it!!
I’m not attempting to be sarcastic or passive/aggressive with you, here, but I truly can’t get my head around how to square up your obvious, in depth hockey knowledge and analysis, with your support of such obvious and blatant playing mistakes of John Carlson.
I certainly don’t think you are using his POINTS or TOI totals, as support for your positions on #74! That is an obvious incomplete picture that you would be smarter than, to paint!! That’s ALL he’s got!
The part-time, lower hockey IQ fans, are the ones who buy into THOSE stat numbers, as gospel,like lemmings running off a cliff!
I say to you as a DIRECT COMPLEMENT to YOUR hockey IQ, that you are miles above the average hockey fans knowledge, IMHO! (Sincere props, buddy)! But IRONY of IRONIES, think about your last sentence in your post about being willing to take the gloves off to defend JOHN CARLSON!! Even if you weren’t being LITERAL, it’s still paradoxical logic on your point!
Why would you drop gloves for a guy, who is the epitome of SOFT!! Almost NEVER, if ever, has he dropped gloves for ANY FUCKING BODY!!!! I don’t know you that well, but you CERTAINLY don’t strike me as a man who would have someone’s back, who was too much of a wimp to have YOURS!!!
You’ve played and learned hockey, as you’ve mentioned, quite a bit in your life, so it would seem that you would have better insight on my point here, which is, to say, go ahead and defend his sorry ass, but if you were on the ice with him, you have to ask yourself, WOULD HE DROP GLOVES FOR YOU!!
Respectfully, I’ll say, YOU already KNOW that answer!
Just trying to give you something else to consider!
It’s all good!
Rush
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I gotta say, some of the better "gentalmens clubs" I've been to are in Raleigh.
👍👍🤣😂🤣
Rush
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So far this year Carlson has a -3, which will go up after tonight. That's why he neither an mvp or a Norris candidate
That number means nothing. I think 5 on 5 Carlson is plus 9. He is minus 6 on the shorthanded goals against and minus 6 on the empty net goals we have given up. You are really going to blame all the empty net goals and short handed goals on Carlson. All you are doing is proving my point. You are being unrealistic.
I have never blamed an eng on anyone person, that's a team effort. But yes, he has given up a couple shortys this year with his lackadaisical passing
I know Carlson has made some mistakes that have lead to goals. All of our defensemen have. He has also done a lot if good things for our team but you refuse to acknowledge that. Funny you rip him for being a minus 3 which I believe is now a minus 2 and if you take the empty net goals away he is a plus 4. You also have to remember he plays a lot of minutes against the top players. You say he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game. You think Letang over Carlson? Letang has been a pylon all year.
I haven't watched enough of Letang to say, but I've seem enough of the Metro play to say Carlson wasn't dissed.
Have even wondered why your opinion of Carlson is in an extreme minority?? It obviously hasn't occurred to you but you are capable of being wrong.
You dont even really know my official opinion of Carlson. And my opinion isn't a minority anywhere but here and I dont get it. Who do you think deserves to be can all-star over Carlson in the metro? Seth Jones? Ya I can live with that. Letang? He has been brutal. Leddy? Probably worse than Letang. Shattenkirk? Lmao . Carlson has outplayed them all both sides of the ice and your opinion doesn't change that. Is he the best dman in the league? Hell no but he us by far our best dman.
Since we are talking about opinions here is my official opinion of Carlson. I think he is a decent 2 way dman. Plays pp and kills penalties. Has a good shot. Pretty good at joining the rush. His defense can be suspect at times. He is decent at one on one coverage. He does have a good stick defensively. His biggest faults are turnovers on lazy passes and lack of physical play. You guys think I am a Carlson lover when the truth us he isn't even one of my 5 favorites players on this team. I have defended him because I dont like how he gets blamed for everything but get very little credit for the good things he does. His name gets thrown out there with more negativity than anyone else on this team.
At first I thought the Caps wouldn't keep him after this season but with all the losses on defense I feel that has changed. The Caps have already had talks with Carlson. Sorry guys but I'm pretty sure Carlson isn't going anywhere.
ArJ is intelligent enough to see that some of us continuing to point out Carlsons flaws is because some of us refuse to agree to disagree. I wonder where I've heard that before
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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.
I think it is time to wish him well and move on.
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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.
I think it is time to wish him well and move on.
Sometimes it takes someone to be the calm eye of the hurricane! Thanks Beags, you made a lot of sense there, my friend!
I’ll try harder to apply the “wish him well and move on” comments as well!
Rush
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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.
I think it is time to wish him well and move on.
^^^^^this
last nights stats have been tallied. Carlson has improved to a -2 on the season, and Nisky, whom someone here has pounded into the sand this year, is a +18.
I've never looked at a players CORSI numbers, I read what it is, is supposed to tell us, and how it's flawed, so I don't use CORSI, and haven't been disappointed either. There aren't really any stats that I do put weight in, except for goalies. Pretty much, my sole form of player evaluation is just watching them play, their on ice awareness, how much energy they appear to expend, how physical they are for their size. Plus/minus a little, but as we saw with 55 having a +50 season half of that is chance, then the Caps trade him to Shitsburg and he gets a ring for doing frikin nothing.
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Maaco has never said how great Carlson is a hitting, shot blocking, crease clearing, physical play, shot blocking, positioning, man on man coverage, breaking up odd man rushes, picking off passes because he knew where it was going, you know things a Dman should do.
But Maaco is typically right on what he praises Carlson for.
The thing we are missing is perspective. Carlson is an excellent near elite offensive defenseman/4th forward (a role that has become but a high risk circus novelty act after Paul Coffey all but invented it).
Personally, my anger at Carslon has dropped off once I stopped excepting him being anything more than a fourth forward, Including the things I mentioned above as they assuredly won’t happen.
So if the Norris is now given to the best “fourth forward”, sure give it Carlson. Then he can except it in a clown suit, because defense is not high on his preference, skill sets, assignments, and certainly not his achievements.
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90 -3. To their credit, it’s a 67% increase from yesterday
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I honestly dont care for the new breed of dmen. Teams want at least 4 men involved in every rush. I like the dmen getting involved in the offensive zone making plays to keep the puck in as long as a forward is there to cover. Now you see dmen leaving the dzone early and leading the rush. Orlov does it all the time. Some of the old school type dmen are struggling with the way the game has changed. Guys like Weber, Seabrook, Orpik or even Alzner. Seabrook was a healthy scratch in one game last week.
I'm having a tough time making the adjustment too. The league is going to puck moving dmen that can skate. You are seeing smaller and less physical dmen now. In the past you would never see a player like Djoos.
As for Carlson being a Norris candidate. I think he should get some votes but I still think atleast a handful of dmen are having better seasons. And before we get too hard on Carlson defensive play I will say that he is better defensively than the majority of offensive defencemen around the league. Try watching guys like that Gostisbehere, Letang, Leddy, Krug, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Sergachev, Green, Karlsson, Reilly, Klingberg, Subban, Barrie, Burns. All offensive dmen that are prone to mistakes in the defensive zone. Yet somehow the majority of these guys are considered elite and Carlson is better or as good as a 2 way dman than any of them. You guys cry about Carlson but trust me we dont have it that bad.
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I honestly dont care for the new breed of dmen. Teams want at least 4 men involved in every rush. I like the dmen getting involved in the offensive zone making plays to keep the puck in as long as a forward is there to cover. Now you see dmen leaving the dzone early and leading the rush. Orlov does it all the time. Some of the old school type dmen are struggling with the way the game has changed. Guys like Weber, Seabrook, Orpik or even Alzner. Seabrook was a healthy scratch in one game last week.
I'm having a tough time making the adjustment too. The league is going to puck moving dmen that can skate. You are seeing smaller and less physical dmen now. In the past you would never see a player like Djoos.
As for Carlson being a Norris candidate. I think he should get some votes but I still think atleast a handful of dmen are having better seasons. And before we get too hard on Carlson defensive play I will say that he is better defensively than the majority of offensive defencemen around the league. Try watching guys like that Gostisbehere, Letang, Leddy, Krug, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Sergachev, Green, Karlsson, Reilly, Klingberg, Subban, Barrie, Burns. All offensive dmen that are prone to mistakes in the defensive zone. Yet somehow the majority of these guys are considered elite and Carlson is better or as good as a 2 way dman than any of them. You guys cry about Carlson but trust me we dont have it that bad.
Exactly. I , and I may speak for a few others, don’t think we have it that good either.
You are correct, that by nature the 4th forwards will be prone to mistakes, high risk, expliotable, and defensive liabilities, and when they have 4-5 young or expired other Dman, and are getting over 20 min a game. . . it’s way magnified and leads to way to many points for the other team.
We have at least two HOF forwards two young forwards making megabucks for thier “potential” alone, Mr Shopt-out, and a “talented” rooke. . . let them do our damn offense, because they sure as shit are gettin enough of the Cap without dipping into the DCorps for help.
So yes, Carlson is an elite 4th forward, and maybe an above average defensive Dman. But, that is simply not gonna keep enough points off the board to get us out of the second round.
The ire towards Carlson is not just in him. It’s toward the “entertainment first” philosophy that this team is built on.
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I call those type of players hybrid dmen. Same Idea. Bobby Orr was the first to play that style but he really excelled at it. Teams didnt know how to defend it. The 80s had a handful of guys that played like that. Coffey, Leetch, Housley.
Not many true dmen left. I miss guys like Scott Stevens and Mark Tinordi.
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there are an awful lot of people in this town that would never use Green and elite in the same sentance
when does the current CBA expire? we gotta wait until then to get this bye week horse crap reviewed and hopefully eliminated
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Am I the only one who feels guilty about being handed this game?
Kuzy absolutely should have got a 2 + 2 for that high stick towards the end.
Bad reffing is bad reffing.
On a plus note, I had the Cane's feed, so got the face to face time with Big Willy in the first intermission! :-*
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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.
I think it is time to wish him well and move on.
I am not in the camp that wants to get rid of Dylan right now. I don't think, as a team, we can afford to.
I believe it was me that coined the term "lacksadaisical" regarding him and that is my biggest issue with him. He has cost us at least one goal from his nonchalantly gliding back to the bench after his shift. Maybe two, but it was so obvious! It was embarrassing, pointless and just plain LAZY! He seems to have a slower mental capacity for the game than many. Everybody makes mistakes, yes, but he has so many brain farts! He's an easy target, for sure, but it's like he holds up the targets for us to aim at.
@ Maaco. You should have been here for the "Throw Mojo into the volcano" years! :P
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there are an awful lot of people in this town that would never use Green and elite in the same sentance
Lol hey used Green and elite in the same sentence I wasn't insinuated Green was elite. I've never said that about Green. I just said a lot of the guys I mentioned were considered elite. I never said I considered them elite.
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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.
I think it is time to wish him well and move on.
I am not in the camp that wants to get rid of Dylan right now. I don't think, as a team, we can afford to.
I believe it was me that coined the term "lacksadaisical" regarding him and that is my biggest issue with him. He has cost us at least one goal from his nonchalantly gliding back to the bench after his shift. Maybe two, but it was so obvious! It was embarrassing, pointless and just plain LAZY! He seems to have a slower mental capacity for the game than many. Everybody makes mistakes, yes, but he has so many brain farts! He's an easy target, for sure, but it's like he holds up the targets for us to aim at.
@ Maaco. You should have been here for the "Throw Mojo into the volcano" years! :P
I probably would have joined in on the Throw Mojo into the volcano. He was one if those guys that rubbed me the wrong. I thought we should have shipped him out a couple years earlier. I felt he was underachieving. I'm second guessing that a but now because we are seeing Burakovsky fail miserably. Maybe Mojo wasn't that bad. I have seen enough if Burakovsky. I wouldn't have a problem if he was a healthy scratch the rest of the year. I really hope we can trade this guy. Sorry if my opinions on him offend anyone but he just isn't doing for me.
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Am I the only one who feels guilty about being handed this game?
Kuzy absolutely should have got a 2 + 2 for that high stick towards the end.
Bad reffing is bad reffing.
On a plus note, I had the Cane's feed, so got the face to face time with Big Willy in the first intermission! :-*
I feel guilty a bit guilty about this win. Between the Canes and officials the game was kind of handed to us. Officials have impacted the outcome of games way too often this season. The Caps have actually had more calls go our way than against. In the past it seemed those calls always went against us. Hopefully the officiating will improve.
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Maaco, I actually think your official opinion on Carlson is not that far off. I think what you are missing is how the lazy turnovers and lack of physical play really, really infuriates those of us that are not Carlson supporters.
I think it is time to wish him well and move on.
I am not in the camp that wants to get rid of Dylan right now. I don't think, as a team, we can afford to.
I believe it was me that coined the term "lacksadaisical" regarding him and that is my biggest issue with him. He has cost us at least one goal from his nonchalantly gliding back to the bench after his shift. Maybe two, but it was so obvious! It was embarrassing, pointless and just plain LAZY! He seems to have a slower mental capacity for the game than many. Everybody makes mistakes, yes, but he has so many brain farts! He's an easy target, for sure, but it's like he holds up the targets for us to aim at.
@ Maaco. You should have been here for the "Throw Mojo into the volcano" years! :P
I probably would have joined in on the Throw Mojo into the volcano. He was one if those guys that rubbed me the wrong. I thought we should have shipped him out a couple years earlier. I felt he was underachieving. I'm second guessing that a but now because we are seeing Burakovsky fail miserably. Maybe Mojo wasn't that bad. I have seen enough if Burakovsky. I wouldn't have a problem if he was a healthy scratch the rest of the year. I really hope we can trade this guy. Sorry if my opinions on him offend anyone but he just isn't doing for me.
Hey Maaco
Totally agree with you, both on Mojo, and Bura! Mojo had up and down, effort issues, as well!
Trotz calls out VERY FEW players by name, when it’s negative, but Bura has teetered in and out of Trotzys rifle scope, every season he’s been here! Mojo did produce 20+ goals a year, although he was lucky to be in the right place and the right time for many of them!
Bura is a different story. I don’t think he has the mentality to CONSISTENTLY play at the NHL level! He’s had 3 personal resets given him, by Trotz, and has never appreciably responded!
Anyway glad to be like minded with you on this one!
Rush
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I understand the discontent with Burakovsky but I have not given up on him yet. The kid has shown potential, he just has to find consistency and his injuries have not helped him. The fact is we need him to reach his potential because the only other young player the Caps have who has the potential to be a 25 to 30 goal scorer is Vrana. We are going to need scorers and if Burakovsky and Vrana don’t develop into consistent goal scorers we will be in big trouble down the road. Teams like the Devils, Flyers, Islanders and even Carolina have young forwards who have the potential to be 30 goal scorers in the near future. This is another reason we should not trade our first round draft pick this year at the trade deadline. We need to resupply our system with some top end prospects.
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His time is up.
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I have no problems or doubts with Vrana. Burro canT be gone quick enough for me.
He is Sasha Semin without the skill, but with a whole lot more attitude, IMHO. And without the whole mental health issue.
We have new emotes................
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I understand the discontent with Burakovsky but I have not given up on him yet. The kid has shown potential, he just has to find consistency and his injuries have not helped him. The fact is we need him to reach his potential because the only other young player the Caps have who has the potential to be a 25 to 30 goal scorer is Vrana. We are going to need scorers and if Burakovsky and Vrana don’t develop into consistent goal scorers we will be in big trouble down the road. Teams like the Devils, Flyers, Islanders and even Carolina have young forwards who have the potential to be 30 goal scorers in the near future. This is another reason we should not trade our first round draft pick this year at the trade deadline. We need to resupply our system with some top end prospects.
Hey 4Caps! Again, WELCOME and glad to see you here!
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Discontent...going once?
Discontent...going twice?
Discontent...going THREE TIMES!! (remember this, I’ll come back to it, in a minute)
You mentioned not giving up on him because of his potential! I would have agreed with you, his first year! Maybe even, I’ll stretch it, to a second year to believe in him, for potential sake!
BUT THREE RESETS !!! And after each one, NO REAL CONSISTENCY!
CONSISTENCY IS POTENTIAL, BEING REALIZED! Over time, consistency turns potential into REALITY!
All the POTENTIAL, in the world, without consistency, is simply occasional FLASHES of great play!
(Now, back to referencing the 3 times DISCONTENT)
Actually more than 3 times, if, as you said, we consider his injuries time off!
So after 3 head coach resets, and injuries combined, each time, upon his return to the ice, we anticipated Mr Bura “turning it around”! Short of a couple of INCONSISTENT flashses, there has been NO appreciable turnaround to speak of!
I believe I am more in line with Trotz on this. Trotz has obviously lost patience with him, and isn’t giving Bura a whole lot of opportunities, anymore, to show this “potential”! That’s not good for Bura, as he now would have to produce within the ever-shrinking windows he’s being given!!
IMHO, he has been given some of the MOST CHOICE opportunities to show himself, and he, and his super ego have squandered them to pieces. His biggest problem now is that he caused himself to be under Trotz’s negative radar! Good luck getting out of that!
Respectfully submitted,
Rush
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Rush I hear you and you may be right but remember Burakovsky is still relatively young and I just can’t give up on him yet because we need him. Last year after his so called reset he did play well on the third line with Eller and Connolly and ended up with 12 goals. He also did well in the playoffs when he was moved up to play with Backstrom and Oshie. The year before last year he scored 17 goals so he has demonstrated that he can score. There is no question this year has been a disappointment so far but again the injury has not helped. You may think I am crazy but I am hoping that he will replace Smith-Pelly on the top line. Smith-Pelly simply does not have the skill to be on the 1st line. Playing with Ovie and Backstrom Burt will get a lot of scoring opportunities.
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Rush I hear you and you may be right but remember Burakovsky is still relatively young and I just can’t give up on him yet because we need him. Last year after his so called reset he did play well on the third line with Eller and Connolly and ended up with 12 goals. He also did well in the playoffs when he was moved up to play with Backstrom and Oshie. The year before last year he scored 17 goals so he has demonstrated that he can score. There is no question this year has been a disappointment so far but again the injury has not helped. You may think I am crazy but I am hoping that he will replace Smith-Pelly on the top line. Smith-Pelly simply does not have the skill to be on the 1st line. Playing with Ovie and Backstrom Burt will get a lot of scoring opportunities.
This was the same excuse that a few people made for Mojo - year, after year, after year, :-( and he was absolutely a better all round player than Burro is.
The problem with Burro is in between his ears, not his skill and most certainly not his youth, or inexperience. It's his hockey sense, or lack of it. His lack of TEAM anything! He's on a team with some of the best players of our generation and can't seem to learn from them. He just doesn't seem capable of grasping the reality of his situation.
There are better shots on this team, that aren't even called Ovi. There are better passers and stick-handlers and playmakers than him. There are better skaters and pretty much everyone else is a better team player and works harder than him.
The guy is just delusional. He needs two dressing rooms. One for him and one for his ego.
He's had three seasons now. That's enough. maybe our coaches, our staff and our players don't work for him. Maybe he'd be a better fit somewhere else. If so, good luck to him, but enough is enough.
I would hate to see him on the top line, the top six even. Willy should be there and I agree with you about Smelly. He isn't quite doing it either, but Burro is absolutely NOT the answer, IMHO. He really kind of reminds me of a cross between Sasha Semin and Mojo - and not the good parts of either. :(
Sorry babes.
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I agree with Lily. He doesn't seem to understand the team concept. We aren't talking just about a young player struggling to score. A player can struggle to score but help the team in other ways. He doesn't do that. He doesn't put in the effort needed. You dont reward a player like this by putting him on the top line. He has to earn his way. He is wearing out his welcome in DC with the fans. I have a feeling that the Caps are shopping him. Right now his isn't worthy of a roster spot.
Since we were talking about the first line I'd like to Wilson back on the top line, Smith Pelly down to the 4th and Stephenson up to the 3rd line.
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I’ve beeb saying trade Bura for the past two years. .
But it may be to late to get a good return now
GMBetasMale signed him for to much to soon, and now his value is plummeting and leaving us with another bad and near unreadable contact
We’d be lucky to get a second rounder for him straight up, and he’s value in a mutiplayer deal is all but gone.
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Good to be here!!
I took my 10-year old to his first Caps road game to Raleigh last week. Saw it with my local friend and his kid. I was surprised at how many Caps fans were there! Loved the result and my son got a puck tossed at him from Connelly. ;D
It was a crapshoot trying to get an Uber out from there though, very long lines and complete chaos.
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Good to be here!!
I took my 10-year old to his first Caps road game to Raleigh last week. Saw it with my local friend and his kid. I was surprised at how many Caps fans were there! Loved the result and my son got a puck tossed at him from Connelly. ;D
It was a crapshoot trying to get an Uber out from there though, very long lines and complete chaos.
welcome aboard :thumbsup:
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welcome aboard :thumbsup:
Thanks Alta, good to be here!