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Title: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Saturday January 05, 2019, 02:40:46 PM Eastern
Just saw on twitter that the Oilers are looking to trade Jesse Puljujarvi who was the 4th overall pick in the 2016 draft and that the Caps have expressed interest and have offered Burakovsky in return.  Last sason Puljujarvi had 12 goals and 8 assists in 60 some games.  This year in 29 games he only has 3 goals and 2 assists.  He is listed as 6’4” and 203 lbs.  I have no idea whether there is any merit to this rumor but one thing to consider is that Burakovsky was a teammate of McDavid’s on the Erie Otters in the OHL in 2013-14.  I don’t know if they were linemates but Burakovsky scored 41 goals and had 46 assists so I suspect they were. 


While Burakovsky has played pretty well the last couple of games,  this may be a case where a change in scenery may benefit both players.  Also this would free up some cap space because Puljujarvi is still on his entry level contract. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: alta on Saturday January 05, 2019, 03:36:19 PM Eastern
It wouldn't be the first time a player blossomed somewhere else, won't be the last either. I say do it.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: waynerivers on Saturday January 05, 2019, 04:02:17 PM Eastern
We need help on defense, not up front.  That trade won't do anything for us.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 05, 2019, 04:06:21 PM Eastern
We need help on defense, not up front.  That trade won't do anything for us.

I'm with you. We are heavily armed up front, if they get their shit back together, which I'm sure they will.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: alta on Saturday January 05, 2019, 08:52:06 PM Eastern
Technically yes, the only thing the Caps need right now, other than to get their collective heads out of their asses, is a top Dman. They can't do that without freeing up cap space though, and moving Bura does that, even if it for another foreward. Trading Bura for a Dman is the ideal way to go, but we don't know what deals are being worked, or available. This trade may be the best way to get what they need. I also have zero interest in a rental, someone that's only here for the rest of the season. They need to get a full season or two out of the trade. Otherwise I don't think it's worth the effort.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: zerofox on Saturday January 05, 2019, 09:19:27 PM Eastern
While I'm afraid of another Forsberg situation where Bura goes somewhere else and kicks ass while we're stuck with underperforming assets in return, I do think we just have a greater need on defense and the Bura experiment hasn't really panned out, so perhaps it is time to trade him. Vrana is coming along quite nicely and makes me quite confident in the top 6. And I think a guy like Stephenson can do just fine on the 3rd line. There's not much room for Bura and not at $3 million a year.

Meanwhile our defense gives me concern. We have 4 guys I'm pretty comfortable with (yes I know they make their fair share of mistakes), but the bottom six is a combination of rookies/Orpik, which worries me.

Bura for a defensive player would bring a bit more balance to our team
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Saturday January 05, 2019, 11:45:59 PM Eastern
Trading Bura doesn’t do anything to help our D woes, of course, but it doesn’t hurt our defensive problems either!  It’s a totally separate issue!!
Defensive help is our #1 priority, to be sure, but THAT issue, doesn’t mean we don’t try to make other moves, of a lesser priority, when available!!
The timing of trade deal availability, is rarely in sequence with any teams order of prioritized needs! You basically take ‘em when you can get ‘em, if the timing SO HAPPENS to line up with a need!


Bura’s overall level of play, over several seasons, suggests to me that he is UNLIKELY to blossom later, as he has been given a BOATLOAD of quite varied opportunities, under different coaches AND with varied lines and combinations!!
IMO, he has been extended opportunities, uniquely longer and more numerous than most younger players ever get!  Most likely due to the individual raw talent he certainly possesses, but unfortunately shows itself in such roller coaster waves, and with no real rhyme or reason to pin point ANY predictability as to a pattern of when it MAY show itself!!
This leaves his coaches BAFFLED, as to what works to bring his potential out!!  This is a far worse dilemma, for a coach, again IMO, than if a guy were to just completely suck!  Hell that’s easy!


 Of course, if this rumor is true, you trade him!  Since Bura is more of a loner type player, his positive playing moments  DO help the line he’s playing on somewhat,  but when he’s at his negative periods,  his harm to the line he plays on, is of a deeper degree, and does not equally offset his positive times!!


 Personally I don’t think Bura has the mental wherewithal to play in the NHL.
So we will still have a defense priority number one issue, existing until the trade deadline. That won’t change whether Bura is here or not!


Rush



Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Saturday January 05, 2019, 11:57:50 PM Eastern
While I'm afraid of another Forsberg situation where Bura goes somewhere else and kicks ass while we're stuck with underperforming assets in return, I do think we just have a greater need on defense and the Bura experiment hasn't really panned out, so perhaps it is time to trade him. Vrana is coming along quite nicely and makes me quite confident in the top 6. And I think a guy like Stephenson can do just fine on the 3rd line. There's not much room for Bura and not at $3 million a year.

Meanwhile our defense gives me concern. We have 4 guys I'm pretty comfortable with (yes I know they make their fair share of mistakes), but the bottom six is a combination of rookies/Orpik, which worries me.

Bura for a defensive player would bring a bit more balance to our team


Couple of good points Zero!!👍👍
ABSOLUTELY, Bura for a defenseman would kill two birds with one stone, potentially!


AND, The Vrana/Bura individual growth situations, is the PERFECT comparison/contrast for one player who DOES respond, after coaching corrections, and one who DOES NOT!!
It’s a “poster boy” example, that illuminates well, the upside, and downside stories, of young player growth in the NHL!!


Rush

Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday January 06, 2019, 09:25:09 AM Eastern
Unfortunately, this team never does anything proactively.. They'll hold Burt too long (past the deadline) then he'll walk next year when they can't justify a 3 mil offer.. Only thing that changes that, imo, is if things go way off the rails between now and the deadline.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday January 06, 2019, 09:26:31 AM Eastern
While I'm afraid of another Forsberg situation where Bura goes somewhere else and kicks ass while we're stuck with underperforming assets in return, I do think we just have a greater need on defense and the Bura experiment hasn't really panned out, so perhaps it is time to trade him. Vrana is coming along quite nicely and makes me quite confident in the top 6. And I think a guy like Stephenson can do just fine on the 3rd line. There's not much room for Bura and not at $3 million a year.

Meanwhile our defense gives me concern. We have 4 guys I'm pretty comfortable with (yes I know they make their fair share of mistakes), but the bottom six is a combination of rookies/Orpik, which worries me.

Bura for a defensive player would bring a bit more balance to our team
Even if he went somewhere else, so what?  FFF wasn’t gonna amount to jack shit here anway.  The reason he gets the points he does is he plays Ovies role for Nashville, not because he’s a 200ft solid player. He would probably just be another Bura here.


However, given his current performance, and GMBetaMales (who voted for the FFF trade BTW), ability, were gonna end up on the short end of this, probably an older veteran with ANOTHER shitty contact
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Sunday January 06, 2019, 10:25:06 AM Eastern
DC thanks for your input.  Always such positive comments. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: canadiancapman on Sunday January 06, 2019, 11:54:01 AM Eastern
Just saw on twitter that the Oilers are looking to trade Jesse Puljujarvi who was the 4th overall pick in the 2016 draft and that the Caps have expressed interest and have offered Burakovsky in return.  Last sason Puljujarvi had 12 goals and 8 assists in 60 some games.  This year in 29 games he only has 3 goals and 2 assists.  He is listed as 6’4” and 203 lbs.  I have no idea whether there is any merit to this rumor but one thing to consider is that Burakovsky was a teammate of McDavid’s on the Erie Otters in the OHL in 2013-14.  I don’t know if they were linemates but Burakovsky scored 41 goals and had 46 assists so I suspect they were. 


While Burakovsky has played pretty well the last couple of games,  this may be a case where a change in scenery may benefit both players.  Also this would free up some cap space because Puljujarvi is still on his entry level contract.


Bura didn't play on McDavid's line, I use to go watch them play whenever they played in Kitchener and in the playoffs against Guelph. They were only together on the PP
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday January 06, 2019, 12:47:07 PM Eastern
DC thanks for your input.  Always such positive comments.
Just bein objective and logical.


It is very unlikely, almost certain his market value is as high as this thread is saying.  Who is gonna give the caliber of player we need for a mid twenties head asr’s with a 3mil contract regardless of his “skill”?  Then factor in other teams know the position were in and what we need, so they will assuredly want us to take a big contract even with our current space.


To get a Dman we expect and the contract we need, we should expect that we will need to pay out the ass for it: ie Varana, Bowery, Orlov, Colpey, or maybe even Oshie.


Now we know Monumental will not trade more starters than Bura, IF they’ll do that.  And without throwing more in, were not gonna get an instant fix for the D.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday January 06, 2019, 02:05:11 PM Eastern
A top D, even a young D, a good contract l, particularly a right handed D is gonna be costly.  It’s unlikely Bura alone withh ce enough



Going for a  forward that can help the D is another option.  This would address  our horrendous faceoffs,disgracefull PK, and pathetic backchecking.

The first that comes to mind, or at least the tape is Sam Bennett out of Calgary

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9634 (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9634)

This is probably doable, but the cost will be high.


Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday January 06, 2019, 04:06:30 PM Eastern
Those horrendous, disgraceful, pathetic Stanley Cup Champion, Division Leading losers!!  :huh:  Yea, I know.. Long shot to repeat.. I still love pointing it out..  :snicker:
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Sunday January 06, 2019, 04:06:41 PM Eastern
I don’t see the Caps going after a top 4 defenseman, their top 4 barring injury is solid and demonstrated last year that they can win with.  As in years past I expect that the Caps will add a depth defenseman and will give up a middle round draft choice to get one. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday January 06, 2019, 05:27:46 PM Eastern
Those horrendous, disgraceful, pathetic Stanley Cup Champion, Division Leading losers!!  :huh:  Yea, I know.. Long shot to repeat.. I still love pointing it out..  :snicker:
<80% PK. . .
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday January 06, 2019, 05:28:28 PM Eastern
I don’t see the Caps going after a top 4 defenseman, their top 4 barring injury is solid and demonstrated last year that they can win with.  As in years past I expect that the Caps will add a depth defenseman and will give up a middle round draft choice to get one.
oh I forgot we won 5 Cups in a row . . .


But you’re right it’ll be depth dman, but hell have a shitty contract and cost is Bura and probably a 1st. . either way all we have is over paid depth Dman anyway
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday January 06, 2019, 10:25:21 PM Eastern
Im actually concerned on Orpik and Niskanen. Im not even sure they're doing anything wrong, just look off..


<80% PK. . .


Touche'  :wackysmile: lol
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: canadiancapman on Monday January 07, 2019, 12:24:54 AM Eastern
DC, we're going to win a few cups in the next 5 year but you'll probably still find something to criticize about the team. The league has changed and no team in it is as physical as you'd want one to be so it's time to accept that and appreciate that we aren't a team like the leafs. That team has more offense than any in the league but will get beat up and taken advantage of in the playoffs because Babcock doesn't have anyone that's tough and can skate well enough to earn a jersey every night. That's why they traded Matt Martin. As much as I dislike Ryan reeves, he's the only players other than byfuglyan that's on a team that will make the playoffs. The only player that's 1st line worthy and tough in the league is Wayne Simmonds and when he hits the free agent market this summer, he'll get 8+ Mil a season if not much more. From what I've seen out of Wilson since he served his suspension is perfect, he picks his spots now and isn't as reckless as he was before.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 07:42:35 AM Eastern
DC, we're going to win a few cups in the next 5 year but you'll probably still find something to criticize about the team. The league has changed and no team in it is as physical as you'd want one to be so it's time to accept that and appreciate that we aren't a team like the leafs. That team has more offense than any in the league but will get beat up and taken advantage of in the playoffs because Babcock doesn't have anyone that's tough and can skate well enough to earn a jersey every night. That's why they traded Matt Martin. As much as I dislike Ryan reeves, he's the only players other than byfuglyan that's on a team that will make the playoffs. The only player that's 1st line worthy and tough in the league is Wayne Simmonds and when he hits the free agent market this summer, he'll get 8+ Mil a season if not much more. From what I've seen out of Wilson since he served his suspension is perfect, he picks his spots now and isn't as reckless as he was before.
Thank you Caps PR department, that is just the bullshit is handed out all the time while the rosters change and the ratings drop because people don’t like faggy hockey.

A five Cups in 5 years???.  HOW??? No really tell me how, because I’d love to hear how you come about that bullshit and who you’ll spin it .   You zealots seem think this team is fuckin 84 Oilers md utterly invincible, completely ignorintg that the losses in the playoffs where not 1 pt OT losses where the team played great , but losses where they loook like they didn’t belong in the playoffs, let alone the NHL!   This same team hasn’t gotten out the second round the previous 20 years.  But after a few wins and joing the elite group of teams that have won only one Cup, you think they’ll get 5 after making minimal changes?

So now LOSING 6-5, < 80% PK is just the new NHL, Riedon is the best coach in the world, and the league cowers in fear over this unstoppable offense and Lars Eller! PRAISE JESUS!!!  Anyone who disagrees and follows data instead of entertainment is just a heretic who likes goon hockey and the work of the devil right? 🤣
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 08:02:43 AM Eastern
DC you are just upset that the Caps beat your beloved Red Wings, tell us how great the Red Wings are or better yet tell us which team in the current NHL plays the style of hockey you think is necessary to win the Cup. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 09:45:57 AM Eastern
DC you are just upset that the Caps beat your beloved Red Wings, tell us how great the Red Wings are or better yet tell us which team in the current NHL plays the style of hockey you think is necessary to win the Cup.
Well you know me well enough to know that’s bullshit.


But, to answer your question, The Wings are in a full rebuild, so bad games are more understandable.  But their drafts will show you that not only are they stocking up with big and strong players, they are addressing their weakness.  Also, next year, The Captain will be GM or even President.  So in a couple years, they’ll be a juggernaut with a smart and strong team.


But this year, Boston is certainly doing it, TB, Nashville, Calgary is also close, (i can’t beleive I’m saying this), The Hens and SJS will we deadly.   However, goalie is a wildcard for all except SJS and Boston.  All of these play defensive system  with rosteres stocked with Selke and/or Norris caliber players.


What your not realizing or understanding is that the ebb of this Woman’s Rules trend is staring to flow back and correct itself.  Teams are drafting bigger players, the likes of Wilson are becoming more and
more valuable then euro-figureskaters who are over paid for their 15 goals.


Also look at the ratings, the national ratings are dropping each year with NBCs contract ending in 2021.  This maybe the biggest case the Woman’s Rules don’t work, or belong in the NHL.

So if the Caps stick with what they have and how they do things. the teams that are ahead of the curve will do i ate them.

I have no desire to point at sole SC Banner and say, “Well we did it once” 
 



Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:16:27 AM Eastern
Its funny that you list Tampa Bay as one of the teams because they are one of the least physical teams in the league.  I was recently watching a TB game and the commentators were saying that one of the reasons they lost to the Capitals last year in the playoffs was because the Capitals were more physical. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 12:47:14 PM Eastern
Its funny that you list Tampa Bay as one of the teams because they are one of the least physical teams in the league.  I was recently watching a TB game and the commentators were saying that one of the reasons they lost to the Capitals last year in the playoffs was because the Capitals were more physical.
Not at all.   They have a +52 GAA and tough D.


And if you think we beat TB because we we (Wilson) was more physical, then I don’t what you where watching or looking at.  We won becside Cooper bet on the Caps folding like they used to and made no adjustments, and Trotz took advantage
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Monday January 07, 2019, 02:00:54 PM Eastern
I don’t see the Caps going after a top 4 defenseman, their top 4 barring injury is solid and demonstrated last year that they can win with.  As in years past I expect that the Caps will add a depth defenseman and will give up a middle round draft choice to get one.



I think you are right and I hate that move.  Every dman we have picked up at the deadline has been a disappointment and the Shattenkirk deal was an absolute disaster.  With the exception of Kempney, not only have the guys been mediocre at best, but I would argue that they have disrupted the team chemistry as well.


As much as I like Buro, if they can get somebody steady with a big body that has some upside, I say do it.



Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 02:30:35 PM Eastern
Not at all.   They have a +52 GAA and tough D.


And if you think we beat TB because we we (Wilson) was more physical, then I don’t what you where watching or looking at.  We won because Cooper bet on the Caps folding like they used to and made no adjustments, and Trotz took advantage
It wasn’t me who said that it was the cementators which unfortunately I don’t recall who they were but obviously they don’t know as much about hockey as you. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 03:07:13 PM Eastern
It wasn’t me who said that it was the cementators which unfortunately I don’t recall who they were but obviously they don’t know as much about hockey as you.
Said what?  But, I’m sure the cementators know who signs their paychecks, what their producers say, annnd how thier ratings are tanking. 

Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 03:49:22 PM Eastern
Not at all.   They have a +52 GAA and tough D.


And if you think we beat TB because we we (Wilson) was more physical, then I don’t what you where watching or looking at.  We won becside Cooper bet on the Caps folding like they used to and made no adjustments, and Trotz took advantage
Tampa Bay has given up 2.95 goals per game.  Guess what the Caps have also given up 2.95 goals per game.  So TB’s +52 goal differential isn’t because they have a better defense than the Caps it is because  they have a better offense but don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 04:05:37 PM Eastern
Tampa Bay has given up 2.95 goals per game.  Guess what the Caps have also given up 2.95 goals per game.  So TB’sthis  +52 goal differential isn’t because they have a better defense than the Caps it is because  they have a better offense but don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument.
OH THATS IT!!!  My god, i guess the 84 Oilers, I mean 18 Caps are last in the league in offense then.  Or that the TBL just  have the hottest goalie?


 Have you watched any of of either of thier games??  Or are the NHLs ratings that bad that you don’t want to?

I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t.  I mean you can watch woman’s rules hockey at any local skating rink with out having to deal with the few real men that are in the NHL
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 05:00:01 PM Eastern
OH THATS IT!!!  My god, i guess the 84 Oilers, I mean 18 Caps are last in the league in offense then.  Or that the TBL just  have the hottest goalie?


 Have you watched any of of either of thier games??  Or are the NHLs ratings that bad that you don’t want to?

I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t.  I mean you can watch woman’s rules hockey at any local skating rink with out having to deal with the few real men that are in the NHL
What the hell are you talking about.  Your response has nothing to do with the point I made that TB’s and the Caps have the same GAA and that defensively TB was therefore not any better defensively than the Caps. 
I have only watched TB play once this season but what does that have to do with this discussion.  I understand that you don’t like the way hockey is being played today but that is the reality and your complaining about it is not going to change it. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Mickstix on Monday January 07, 2019, 05:10:14 PM Eastern
Holy shit! +52??? With that +/- goal differential, DC would literally birth a cow, if he was a Lightning fan..  :uh-huh:   They'd have to change their name to the "Tampa Bay Pond Jockeys"..  :rofl: :snicker: :rofl:
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 07, 2019, 06:30:33 PM Eastern
Well you know me well enough to know that’s bullshit.


But, to answer your question, The Wings are in a full rebuild, so bad games are more understandable.  But their drafts will show you that not only are they stocking up with big and strong players, they are addressing their weakness.  Also, next year, The Captain will be GM or even President.  So in a couple years, they’ll be a juggernaut with a smart and strong team.


But this year, Boston is certainly doing it, TB, Nashville, Calgary is also close, (i can’t beleive I’m saying this), The Hens and SJS will we deadly.   However, goalie is a wildcard for all except SJS and Boston.  All of these play defensive system  with rosteres stocked with Selke and/or Norris caliber players.


What your not realizing or understanding is that the ebb of this Woman’s Rules trend is staring to flow back and correct itself.  Teams are drafting bigger players, the likes of Wilson are becoming more and
more valuable then euro-figureskaters who are over paid for their 15 goals.


Also look at the ratings, the national ratings are dropping each year with NBCs contract ending in 2021.  This maybe the biggest case the Woman’s Rules don’t work, or belong in the NHL.

So if the Caps stick with what they have and how they do things. the teams that are ahead of the curve will do i ate them.

I have no desire to point at sole SC Banner and say, “Well we did it once”


You quote this stat frequently (decreasing market share), but I wonder....Are you taking into account the fact that there is SO MANY MORE viewing options these days?  I mean with Netflix and cable and satellite and so on, there is a HUGE difference in market share to be shared these days.  Sure, the NHL wants to increase it's share, but with so much to choose from..and the population density ever increasing, maybe a 10 share today is actually BETTER than a 15 share 10-15 years ago.


I mean I know your an anal lytics guy and all, but maybe you are just posting a meaningless stat.  I'm not accusing you of this but stats and statistics can be manipulated. (4 out of 5 Dentists recommend sugarless gum....what they don't tell you is they polled 24 dentists and chose the 4 out of 5 they wanted)


I mean if we ask Maako....he'll tell you that Carlson is a great D man and has the stats to prove it.   :snicker:


Not really trying to pick if fight with either of you, and I'm on the same side of the fence as far as the direction of the NHL, but the tide IS TURNING.  You can preach bigger, stronger, meaner, more physical all you want, but tell me how effective these big strong mean tough SOB's that we love (Wilson) are when they are suspended for 20 games for being bigger and stronger than the Euro trash that is scoring whilst ye be sitting at home counting the dollars you lost for being stronger than them?
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 06:43:03 PM Eastern
What the hell are you talking about.  Your response has nothing to do with the point I made that TB’s and the Caps have the same GAA and that defensively TB was therefore not any better defensively than the Caps. 
I have only watched TB play once this season but what does that have to do with this discussion.  I understand that you don’t like the way hockey is being played today but that is the reality and your complaining about it is not going to change it.
I’m talking about you dodging my answers to your question and trying to frame it like so don’t know what  talking about just because you don’t understand it.


All you did was look up layman stats and paint an amateur picture like one would a 12 and under league.


Hey I know you like Woman’s Rules, but this style is in its swan song, and praying for it isn’t gonna change it.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 07:12:01 PM Eastern
Give me one example of where I dodged your answer to my guestion.  You can’t.


You know why the NHL is changing, it is the same reason why the NFL is changing and that is fear of legal liability.  Rules are being tweaked in both leagues for player safety and it is not going back to the old days despite what you think. 




Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 07:49:34 PM Eastern
Give me one example of where I dodged your answer to my guestion.  You can’t.


You know why the NHL is changing, it is the same reason why the NFL is changing and that is fear of legal liability.  Rules are being tweaked in both leagues for player safety and it is not going back to the old days despite what you think.
Boston
San Jose,
Calgary

Recent  Drafts


And don’t give me that bullshit about “legal liability” either.  That’s 90% a sales pitch
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 07, 2019, 08:13:06 PM Eastern

You quote this stat frequently (decreasing market share), but I wonder....Are you taking into account the fact that there is SO MANY MORE viewing options these days?  I mean with Netflix and cable and satellite and so on, there is a HUGE difference in market share to be shared these days.  Sure, the NHL wants to increase it's share, but with so much to choose from..and the population density ever increasing, maybe a 10 share today is actually BETTER than a 15 share 10-15 years ago.


I mean I know your an anal lytics guy and all, but maybe you are just posting a meaningless stat.  I'm not accusing you of this but stats and statistics can be manipulated. (4 out of 5 Dentists recommend sugarless gum....what they don't tell you is they polled 24 dentists and chose the 4 out of 5 they wanted)


I mean if we ask Maako....he'll tell you that Carlson is a great D man and has the stats to prove it.   :snicker:


Not really trying to pick if fight with either of you, and I'm on the same side of the fence as far as the direction of the NHL, but the tide IS TURNING.  You can preach bigger, stronger, meaner, more physical all you want, but tell me how effective these big strong mean tough SOB's that we love (Wilson) are when they are suspended for 20 games for being bigger and stronger than the Euro trash that is scoring whilst ye be sitting at home counting the dollars you lost for being stronger than them?
The NBC contract is one of the major sources of revenue for the NHL.


When it was signed, the belief was change the rules. push offense only,make the game faster, remove the violence and dumb it down (aka woman’s rules), would make the game more appealing to the mainstream tv audience on prime time and other networks/


But as this quick look of data shows, they where wrong.  The “New NHL” isn’t selling and NBC knows it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwWKygAW0AA0hj1?format=jpg&name=small)

Really, how many times do you watch a non-Caps game compared to 5 or so years ago?  Hell tonight Wild and Canadians are playing, but I’d rather rewatch Oceans 11 (1960), because this woman’s rules bullshit is basketball on figure skates.


The contracts up in ‘21, and there ain’t many other gimmicks to “make the game more mainstream” left.  With any luck, NBC won’t renew it
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Monday January 07, 2019, 08:31:02 PM Eastern
Boston
San Jose,
Calgary

Recent  Drafts


And don’t give me that bullshit about “legal liability” either.  That’s 90% a sales pitch


I didn’t respond to your other picks because I have no quarrel with them playing the style you think is necessary to win a Cup.  As for your statement that in recent drafts teams are picking bigger players, I have not done a study of recent draft picks to guestion your statement.  However, Detroit’s first round pick, Zadina, is one of those soft skilled Euro’s you despise. I would have loved to see the Caps get him. 


We will have to agree to disagree about legal liability being the big reason for the change in the rules. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Monday January 07, 2019, 09:59:25 PM Eastern
Unfortunately, this team never does anything proactively.. They'll hold Burt too long (past the deadline) then he'll walk next year when they can't justify a 3 mil offer.. Only thing that changes that, imo, is if things go way off the rails between now and the deadline.


You’re right on them not being very proactive, Mick!


Our home announcers group is starting to subtly weave a little sweet talk about Bura, into the general game coverage! WHY???  I DUNNO!!
Ok he’s made an extra shot attempt or two in the last two games!! AND??!!
He’s still losing pucks when he crosses the blue line, STILL loses pucks, at damn near EVERY board battle below the circles, when challenged by opponent in their zone!!
Comments like “skating smarter”, WHAT???....”upping his physicality”, DOUBLE-FUCK WHAT?????....


If there was ever a time he could look a little bit better...it would be NOW!!! If he DID something good, it would stand out even MORE, against the backdrop of our generally sloppy, lesser effort, play going on right now!!!
He can’t even shine when we look shitty!!!


The ONLY thing I can think of is that mgmt is giving him a “showcase” opportunity, as has been said!!
It’s gone on at least 3 games too long, IMO!!!


You’ve got Jaskin and Dowd sitting out, and they along with Boyd, have NOT been the problem of the last two weeks!


Dump Bura, and put DSP or Stephenson on 3rd line, and the other on 4th line, alternating any two between Jaskin, Dowd, and Boyd.  When Jaskin is in he stays as a wing. Dowd and Boyd, both can play at center or wing as needs dictate!!
We don’t need a 3rd line forward to replace Bura, in a trade. We’ve got forwards aplenty!!
Either SELL Bura outright, if allowed,? even at a small discount, and make up the difference, CASH, or get a D man in trade!!
Worst case scenario, do nothing, and scratch him OFTEN, or let him help HERSHEY, if that’s even permitted!! (I’m not sure)??


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Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Mickstix on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:12:38 PM Eastern



 :rofl: :rofl:
Comments like “skating smarter”, WHAT???....”upping his physicality”, DOUBLE-FUCK WHAT? ??? ?...


They -have- been looking for ways to talk him up lately.. Too bad bout all they got is "Well, he's not done anything fucking stupid yet"  :lol:



Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:23:40 PM Eastern
I don’t see the Caps going after a top 4 defenseman, their top 4 barring injury is solid and demonstrated last year that they can win with.  As in years past I expect that the Caps will add a depth defenseman and will give up a middle round draft choice to get one.


At this point I’ll take an AVERAGE D man, as long as his strength is D, not O! Decent on bringing puck up, average puck possession, average passing ability, but above average hockey IQ!
I don’t know if it’s out there or not, or whether a guy like that would even be a fair trade for Bura, even-Steven!


I do know that league wide, a solid, reliable defense – type defenseman,  is RARE, and would be in high demand!!


One thing that was key to the change in our game, in last years playoffs, and Stanley, was that practically every forward and center, contributed immensely, by playing more RESPONSIBLE defense!!
This assisted our blue liners, who also “bought in” to it, as well!  It was infectious!!


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Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: BarfingMonkey on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:29:32 PM Eastern
I see a lot of Burkovsky's sticks up for sale/auction from the Caps, coincidence?

Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:46:44 PM Eastern


 :rofl: :rofl:


They -have- been looking for ways to talk him up lately.. Too bad bout all they got is "Well, he's not done anything fucking stupid yet"  :lol:


LOL 😂!
Maybe GMBM threw the entire “gang” of Comcast commentators “bachelors” type party, at the 16th and K street Hilton!!! (Prettiest whores in town)!!  Ya know...with little pink post-it’s stuck on their sweet cheeks, saying “Give 65 a little love”!!!😂🤣😂


Now THAT would be PROACTIVE trade prep!!🤣🤣


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Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:52:31 PM Eastern
I see a lot of Burkovsky's sticks up for sale/auction from the Caps, coincidence?


Now that is fuckin OBSERVANT, and funny!! 🤣🤣
How ya been BM!!  Good one!!


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Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Monday January 07, 2019, 10:55:24 PM Eastern
Of course another angle on Bura’s sticks is they just keep piling up, because NOBODY has put in a bid on them!😂😂🤣🤣😊
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: alta on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 12:18:19 AM Eastern
Of course another angle on Bura’s sticks is they just keep piling up, because NOBODY has put in a bid on them!😂😂🤣🤣😊


He never seems to break one either
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 08:06:29 AM Eastern
I read somewhere, can’t remember where, that the Caps are shopping Burakovsky but if they can’t get a player they want for him and teams are only offering draft picks they will wait for the offseason and trade him before the draft.  That makes sense I guess. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 08:13:04 AM Eastern
I read somewhere, can’t remember where, that the Caps are shopping Burakovsky but if they can’t get a player they want for him and teams are only offering draft picks they will wait for the offseason and trade him before the draft.  That makes sense I guess.
This is what happenes when your roster and contracts are a mess.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 09:08:39 AM Eastern
This is what happenes when your roster and contracts are a mess.
It has nothing to do with the roster and contracts being a mess.  If you can’t trade him for someone you want then don’t trade him at this point.  Why give him away for somebody you don’t need or want. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 09:48:13 AM Eastern
I see a lot of Burkovsky's sticks up for sale/auction from the Caps, coincidence?



This is absolute confirmation of a trade for sure - way better than any reporter generated rumor.  The Caps don't leave a nickel on the table.


I don't really care what they get for him. I'm not as worried about our D as everyone else.  I think we are in the mid-season slump after winning a Stanley Cup and that we will see improvement in Nisky, Orlov and Bowey/Seigenthaler.  I actually would like to see them keep developing Bowey as I think he has the best long term potential.
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 04:42:15 PM Eastern
It has nothing to do with the roster and contracts being a mess.  If you can’t trade him for someone you want then don’t trade him at this point.  Why give him away for somebody you don’t need or want.
Yeah, and who wouldn’t  give the defending champs, with hardly any cap cap room, a bunch of bad contracts, and few RFAs coming up, what they want for an inconsistent 22(?) yo headcase?


Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: 4 Caps on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 05:24:04 PM Eastern
What I think is going to happen is that he will be traded at the draft for a 2nd or 3rd round pick unless he is included in some sort of package for a player we want before the trade deadline. 
Title: Re: Interesting Rumor
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Tuesday January 08, 2019, 10:19:45 PM Eastern

This is absolute confirmation of a trade for sure - way better than any reporter generated rumor.  The Caps don't leave a nickel on the table.


I don't really care what they get for him. I'm not as worried about our D as everyone else.  I think we are in the mid-season slump after winning a Stanley Cup and that we will see improvement in Nisky, Orlov and Bowey/Seigenthaler.  I actually would like to see them keep developing Bowey as I think he has the best long term potential.




😂😂🤣🤣


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