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Title: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 01:02:45 PM Eastern
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Game 46              65-30-10-5 (PTS-W-L-OT)   Streak - L1
Sat Jan 11, 2020      New Jersey Devils [15-21-7  L1] @ Washington Capitals
Place:  Capital One Arena
Time:  7:00 p.m. ET
TV:  NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Radio:  106.7 or 94.7 The Fan, Caps Radio 24/7 (http://tunein.com/radio/Caps-Radio-247-s231201/)
NHL.COM (https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/2019020696) for Live Box Score
Last Game:  Wed Jan 8, 7:30 p.m. ET Capitals lost 3-2 against Flyers
Next Game:  Mon Jan 13, 7:00 p.m. ET Hurricanes @ Capitals

        8-Ovechkin        19-Bäckström        43-Wilson
       13-Vrana        92-Kuznetsov        77-Oshie
       62-Hagelin        20-Eller        14-Panik
       28-Leipsic        26-Dowd        21-Hathaway
:spacer50pix:      6-Kempny      74-Carlson
:spacer50pix:       9-Orlov       3-Jensen
:spacer50pix:      34-Siegenthaler     33-Gudas
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 70-Holtby (starter)
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 30-Samsonov

                            -- SCRATCH --         
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 72-Boyd

                            -- INJURED --         
:spacer50pix::spacer50pix:         None

                     -- 1st Powerplay Unit -- 
           13-Vrana      19-Bäckström      77-Oshie
     :spacer50pix: 8-Ovechkin      :spacer50pix: 74-Carlson

                    -- 2nd Powerplay Unit --         
           20-Eller           92-Kuznetsov           43-Wilson
     :spacer50pix: 28-Leipsic     :spacer50pix: 9-Orlov

  Referees:    xxxxxxxxxx (#xx),    xxxxxxxxxx (#xx)
  Linesmen:   xxxxxxxxxx (#xx),    xxxxxxxxxx (#xx)

                    Devils Lines
63-Jesper Bratt -- 13-Nico Hischier -- 21-Kyle Palmieri
20-Blake Coleman -- 19-Travis Zajac -- 97-Nikita Gusev
44-Miles Wood -- 37-Pavel Zacha -- 17-Wayne Simmonds
90-Jesper Boqvist -- 16-Kevin Rooney -- 15-John Hayden

6-Andy Greene -- 76-P.K. Subban
28-Damon Severson -- 45-Sami Vatanen
8-Will Butcher -- 5-Connor Carrick

              70-Louis Domingue (starter)
              50-Evan Cormier

  Scratches: 25-Mirco Mueller
  Injured: 5-Connor Carrick, 7-Matt Tennyson [LTIR], 70-Louis Domingue, 86-Jack Hughes, 36-Ben Street, 29-Mackenzie Blackwood


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1st Period
05:27  Devils GOAL Hischier, assists Butcher & Carrick   1-0 NJD

2nd Period
03:28  Devils GOAL Gusev, assists Butcher & Simmonds   2-0 NJD
06:48  Devils SH GOAL Coleman, assists Zajac & Greene   3-0 NJD
08:28  PP GOAL 13-Vrana, assists 74-Carlson& 19-Backstrom   3-1 NJD
12:11  Devils GOAL Hischier, assists Palmieri   4-1 NJD

3rd Period
15:04  Devils EN GOAL Wood, unassisted   5-1 NJD

FINAL:    5-1 NJD


- 29-Djoos re-assigned to Hershey Bears.

- 13-Jakub Vrana promoted to first powerplay unit, 92-Evgeny Kuznetsov moved to 2nd PP unit.

- Pekka Rinne becomes first NHL goalie in 6 years to score goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Su1dDVBiw

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Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: 4 Caps on Saturday January 11, 2020, 03:39:12 PM Eastern
I am looking forward to seeing how the PP looks with Vrana moving up to the 1st unit.  Another thing I think we will see based on what I saw at practice yesterday is that the 2nd unit is going to come in sooner than previously and that Ovechkin and Carlson will stay on the ice and play with 2nd unit composed of Kuzy, Wilson and Eller. 
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: BarfingMonkey on Saturday January 11, 2020, 04:22:08 PM Eastern
Let's GO CATS!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:06:33 PM Eastern
TJ is an all star..




as in he just got voted in
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:09:50 PM Eastern
I am looking forward to seeing how the PP looks with Vrana moving up to the 1st unit.  Another thing I think we will see based on what I saw at practice yesterday is that the 2nd unit is going to come in sooner than previously and that Ovechkin and Carlson will stay on the ice and play with 2nd unit composed of Kuzy, Wilson and Eller.


this isn’t going to sound good coming from me since everyone thinks I hate him, but if it were me I’d take Carlson off the point of PP1 at a minimum. He’s great when teams sit back on him, but he sucks when being pressured
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:12:16 PM Eastern
Hi chaps.   :wackysmile:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: DC_1908 on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:15:18 PM Eastern
Ya know, if they insist on leavin that fuckin camera on the concourse, they should at least put up a sign  behind it that says “don’t be a douche”
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:16:44 PM Eastern

And of course,  :poop:
5-Holeby

 
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:19:48 PM Eastern
Hi chaps.   :wackysmile:
Hello Lil!

          :-|
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Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:27:14 PM Eastern
chaps with no jeans on  8-0
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:29:06 PM Eastern
Hello Lil!

          :-|
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 :snicker:
Another crappy start.

Good to hear about Oshie though.   8) :clap:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:32:34 PM Eastern
the Caps have allowed the first goal in %25 of their games this season, it’s gonna bite them in the ass sooner or later
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:33:17 PM Eastern
I’m calling it now, the winning goalie tonight wears #70  8)
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:42:51 PM Eastern
I think Willy needs to have a talk with Simonds
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:45:46 PM Eastern
I think Willy needs to have a talk with Simonds

Simmonds is definitely one of the top ten douche bags in the NHL.  I'd love to see Willy smack him.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:48:28 PM Eastern
And of course,  :poop:
5-Holeby


if the Caps find a way to keep Holtby, they need to find a better goalie coach for him
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:49:14 PM Eastern
Well that was a rubbish 1st period by our boys.  Time to put on the big boy trousers, methinks.   



(insert AJ's trouser thingammy here...)   :-|
Edit'  ok, that didn't come out quite right....   :snicker:
 
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday January 11, 2020, 07:52:12 PM Eastern
Say it with me... "Sam-so-nov" !! WTF are they waiting for? Holby just isn't capable of being sharp a full 60 minutes, at the moment.. I mean are they worried about hurt feelings? I don't get it.  :huh: Need to look for a deadline replacement for Jensen as well..
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:09:20 PM Eastern
 :poop: :poop:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:10:50 PM Eastern
on the bright side, that one wasn't Holts fault
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:11:21 PM Eastern
 :raised-eyebrow:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:16:47 PM Eastern
Say it with me... "Sam-so-nov" !! WTF are they waiting for? Holby just isn't capable of being sharp a full 60 minutes, at the moment.. I mean are they worried about hurt feelings? I don't get it.  :huh: Need to look for a deadline replacement for Jensen as well..
Holtby should be :30:

For the rest of this game!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:18:56 PM Eastern
 :poop: :poop: :poop:
5-Holeby
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:18:57 PM Eastern
what a pucking joke
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:20:08 PM Eastern
it's been a very long time since I've heard boo birds at the Cap center
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:20:09 PM Eastern
 :clown: :poop:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:20:47 PM Eastern
bout pucking time
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:21:08 PM Eastern

 :13pp:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:21:55 PM Eastern
 :O=     :omg: :stirringupshit:
Good lord!  What's happened to this team?
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: zerofox on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:24:28 PM Eastern
Can we stop fucking thinking of Holtby as a starting goalie. Seriously. Fans, coaching staff, everyone. Stop thinking he's the incumbent starter just because he has a Vezina and a Cup. Start with a clean slate, let the two goalies earn their starts. And right now it's Sammy who's earned it.

Not saying this is 100% Holtby's fault. But a supposed Vezina/Cup winner shouldn't be letting up 3 goals on ~15 shots. He's paid enough to be well above .900. He's paid to keep us in games when we're sucking. He's paid to steal games on occasion. He's done NONE of that.


What I'm afraid of is I'm sure there's gunna be some double standard. Holts has a bad game and TR gives him a chance to redeem himself. Two bad games in a row and maybe another chance to redeem himself before looking at Sammy.


If Sammy has a bad game, I feel like TR would send him back to Hershey...
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:24:39 PM Eastern
it's been a very long time since I've heard boo birds at the Cap center
It was bound to come soon.  The Capitals look awful!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:25:31 PM Eastern
Aha!  I'm about 20 seconds or so behind, I think.  .

Our play along the boards has been very weak
 
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:26:30 PM Eastern
Glad they had a strong start the 1st half of the season, cause this last month or so has been "let's go golfing in April" style..
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:27:19 PM Eastern
Can we stop fucking thinking of Holtby as a starting goalie. Seriously. Fans, coaching staff, everyone. Stop thinking he's the incumbent starter just because he has a Vezina and a Cup. Start with a clean slate, let the two goalies earn their starts. And right now it's Sammy who's earned it.

Not saying this is 100% Holtby's fault. But a supposed Vezina/Cup winner shouldn't be letting up 3 goals on ~15 shots. He's paid enough to be well above .900. He's paid to keep us in games when we're sucking. He's paid to steal games on occasion. He's done NONE of that.

The entire team looks like crap.  There is an attitude problem or something. Why can't they arrive at the game motivated?  Why does it seem they need some switch flipped at some point during game to get going?
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:28:10 PM Eastern
if Willy had done that it would be a penalty
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: DC_1908 on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:28:34 PM Eastern
We got two games goin at The Club
1.  Holtby has flat out given up and/or quit on this organization, and I can’t blame him
2.  LETS GO RAVENS!!!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: zerofox on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:28:57 PM Eastern
The entire team looks like crap.  There is an attitude problem or something. Why can't they arrive at the game motivated?  Why does it seem they need some switch flipped at some point during game to get going?


The tin foil hat in me wonders if the team doesn't have faith in Holts. You know how teams play piss poor "on purpose" sometimes when they have a shit coach, and then suddenly start putting together wins with a new less experienced coach?


You wonder why we win when Sammy starts and struggle when Holtby starts...
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:29:16 PM Eastern
switch goalies
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:29:31 PM Eastern
 :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop:
 :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: zerofox on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:31:29 PM Eastern
switch goalies


Sammy should be the starter going forward. Just like we did years ago with Gruby.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:32:18 PM Eastern
They should attach a gold platter to Kuzy's stick for his intentional turnovers.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:33:11 PM Eastern

The tin foil hat in me wonders if the team doesn't have faith in Holts. You know how teams play piss poor "on purpose" sometimes when they have a shit coach, and then suddenly start putting together wins with a new less experienced coach?


You wonder why we win when Sammy starts and struggle when Holtby starts...


it's speculation unless you have an ear in the lockerrroom, I don't disagree though


I expect an egg, maybe two per season from any team. But this is looking like the 3rd, and 2 in a row. Not good
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:36:05 PM Eastern

it's speculation unless you have an ear in the lockerrroom, I don't disagree though


I expect an egg, maybe two per season from any team. But this is looking like the 3rd, and 2 in a row. Not good
I think I am going to make a capitals logo with a chicken in place of the Eagle  :snicker:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:38:45 PM Eastern
if Reirdon doesn't start Sammy in the 3rd he should be fired
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:42:42 PM Eastern
We look like we're wading through slush.  So slow.  Too many passes and fannying about.
SHOOT THE PUCK ALREADY!!!!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:49:34 PM Eastern
Time to shuffle.. See if anything sticks. They'll prolly just "stick with the system" to another lopsided loss though. At least the new PP didn't waste any time giving up another shorty.  :poop:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: DC_1908 on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:51:09 PM Eastern

The tin foil hat in me wonders if the team doesn't have faith in Holts. You know how teams play piss poor "on purpose" sometimes when they have a shit coach, and then suddenly start putting together wins with a new less experienced coach?


You wonder why we win when Sammy starts and struggle when Holtby starts...
Because Holts doesn’t give two collective fucks about this team.  I won’t be surprised if he wants to be moved at the deadline and not go into the playoffs with Capsz


There is no planet where Sammy who’s been in the league for 15min is better than Holts


The biggest problem with Holts, is that Dickless Patrick and GMBetaMale decided two overrated 100ft players where worth more than an elite goalie.


For years, Holts should of said “trade me right fuckin now!”
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:54:23 PM Eastern
I don't see a comeback in this one.
Ovi has been almost invisible.   :(
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:56:04 PM Eastern
Devls have been all over us, like flies on shit........
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 08:59:58 PM Eastern
if Reirdon doesn't start Sammy in the 3rd he should be fired
Since the team overall sucks tonight and Holts made a couple good saves near the end of the 2nd period I doubt they will bench Holtby.  I'm more concerned with the team as a whole just not having anything going right.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:07:07 PM Eastern
Since the team overall sucks tonight and Holts made a couple good saves near the end of the 2nd period I doubt they will bench Holtby.  I'm more concerned with the team as a whole just not having anything going right.


goalies have been changed when it’s not necessarily their fault, it’s to send a message to the rest of the team
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:14:55 PM Eastern

goalies have been changed when it’s not necessarily their fault, it’s to send a message to the rest of the team
I was also thinking about the recent discussion, including at the start of this broadcast, about who the number one goalie for the Caps is. It would have been rough benching Holts without damn good reason today.
Even if we win I am not liking these Caps. Ugh-Ly!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:22:44 PM Eastern
fukin pitiful with the 2 man advantage
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:23:26 PM Eastern

     :pointdown:
Fucking Pathetic!!!!!!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:30:34 PM Eastern
 :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop:

I can't think of any other ways to say
WE SUCK!!!!!

 I think next game I will pull a Capitals move and NOT SHOW UP!!!
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:33:20 PM Eastern
Ugh!    :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown:
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:33:36 PM Eastern
something needs to change, this can’t be blamed on the flu
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:36:12 PM Eastern
I can only think that we lost this game on purpose.  I can't see any other reason to play this badly against the worst team in our division.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:38:41 PM Eastern
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1st Period
05:27  Devils GOAL Hischier, assists Butcher & Carrick   1-0 NJD

2nd Period
03:28  Devils GOAL Gusev, assists Butcher & Simmonds   2-0 NJD
06:48  Devils SH GOAL Coleman, assists Zajac & Greene   3-0 NJD
08:28  PP GOAL 13-Vrana, assists 74-Carlson& 19-Backstrom   3-1 NJD
12:11  Devils GOAL Hischier, assists Palmieri   4-1 NJD

3rd Period
15:04  Devils EN GOAL Wood, unassisted   5-1 NJD

FINAL:    5-1 NJD

Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:42:46 PM Eastern
That was rubbish.
Night all.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday January 11, 2020, 09:48:45 PM Eastern
Well that was fun.  :wackysmile: Hope they shake the shit off here soon. Gettin old watching the 75' Caps every fucking night.  :clown: :poop:


See ya'll Monday..
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: ArJunaZ on Saturday January 11, 2020, 10:01:34 PM Eastern
There!  I fixed that scoring summary!  Much better!


Good night all
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday January 12, 2020, 12:50:10 AM Eastern
 I will say this till I’m blue in the face!!


 Generally speaking, the Washington Capitals, probably the team with the most elite, overall, talent in the league, on paper, DO NOT play at their superior level, when they DON’T FEEL LIKE IT, and DON’T HAVE TO!!  PERIOD!!!


If you simply insert this theory, at the proper time, every season, from the time that Trotz arrived, and turned this team into an unbeatable machine, when the players CHOOSE to all buy in, up to the present team under Rierden, (same great overall team talent),  then things COMPLETELY make sense,
and you can practically PREDICT what’s going to happen, IF, a few certain CONDITIONS are met!
You can almost LIST THEM, and then know the general expectations!


Here are a few conditions, first, that preclude, when we then witness intermittent, low energy games, that frustrate us and appear to defy all logic:


1) We have passed at least the first 1/3 of the season, where the first signs of boredom, and complacency, are potentially possible!
2) We’ve worked hard, early on, to be in 1st place in our division!
3) When we are FAR ahead in points, to the 2nd place teams points, either by Metro div.,Eastern conf.,or maybe even the ENTIRE league!
4) Thus, the atmosphere exists, and that beast WILL SHOW its ugly, prideful, head!!


 This has been the fucking same repeated pattern, every season since Trotz arrived,  and although I thought we may have started to begin shedding this damn pervasive SPELL, that comes upon us every year… WE HAVEN’T!! 


Oh, don’t worry fans!
The boys WILL remain atop the division!  (They’ll monitor it carefully!)
The boys WILL make the playoffs, no problem!


For the 1000th time, they will DIAL IT IN, WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT!


Rierden is IMPOTENT, to stop it!!
Hell...TROTZ, himself, could only barely manage it, most of the time, and TROTZ, represents THE PINNACLE of coaches, who have an uncanny ability to get the MAXIMUM effort, from even lesser talented players!  Look what he did with the Islanders! THIS IS HIS FORTE, and even HE couldn’t crack this phenomenon!


Let’s not forget that this issue, on the one hand, is actually a LUXURY, to have for ANY cities’ hockey team!  It’s been a rare occurrence throughout NHL history, for a city to have a team that is SO GOOD, that they can actually afford to let off the gas, when they get complacent,  and still dominate their division, and make the playoffs… GUARANTEED!!


On the other hand, it REAKS of the attitude of SPOILED, SISSY, CHILDREN,  Who actually have it ALL, and instead of being appreciative, take advantage of the loyalty and unique admiration, heaped upon them by millions of their fans, WHO, by the way,  are the entire reason they’ve been blessed with a one-in-a-million, opportunity of a lifetime!!


For you fans that can “roll with that”, and be accepting of it, without complaint, Well then,... I sincerely applaud, your ability to “grow with the times”,  and actually respect your ability to be at peace with it!


My old ass CAN’T, and probably never will!!  But I’ll still be a fan, because I’m smart enough to know that I can’t do a damn thing about it!!


You may notice, that when I gripe about our Caps, especially when they start having a bad spell,  you will see me get quite vocal about my frustration, in a stomp my feet kind of way!
 However MY complaints, are about individuals, and coaches, and team attitude, but all the while, I never, have thoughts that the sky is falling for the season on the CAPS!
[size=78%]I know they’re fucking complacent asses all too well!! And I get damn resentful at them!![/size]


 All the while knowing they will most likely again, finish first in the Metro, and make the playoffs! (OH, they’ll make DAMN sure of that!)
 I will also be there FERVENTLY rooting them on!
 But boy, I hate paying the price of being a fan of these guys, during this part of the season!!


Rush 
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: zerofox on Sunday January 12, 2020, 09:21:30 AM Eastern
I'll say it again. WE NEED TO GET HOLTBY THE FUCK OUT OF THE STARTING POSITION.

Holtby: 32 GP, 18-9-4, .899 SV%, 3.02 GAA

Samsonov: 16 GP, 12-2-1, .921 SV%, 2.24 GAA

Now I understand that Samsonov hasn't played enough games for it to be a significant enough sample size. I also understand that Samsonov, in his limited time in the NHL, hasn't done much to prove he is better or can be better than Holtby in his prime (i.e. Vezina caliber Holtby). There's nothing that tells us Samsonov will be the next Vezina and Cup winning goalie. But Holtby has done JACK SHIT to prove that he deserves to keep his starting spot. He's riding on the coattails of his Vezina/Cup wins. That's it. He's the employee who rolls into work 4 hours late and just sits there doing nothing. And when his co-workers ask why he's being a lard ass, he just pulls out his resume and says "that's why."

DC - You say there's no planet where Samsonov in his limited time in the NHL has proven to be better than an established veteran like Holtby? Okay I'll give you that. Samsonov COULD be better one day but we're going to need to see a lot more games out of him to begin to judge. But there's also no fucking universe where less than .900 SV% and more than 3.00 GAA is considered good for an NHL goalie, much less a goalie making $6-7 million this year, and on track to make $10 million.

Several days ago when we were playing the Sharks, everyone was talking about how much of a shit goalie Martin Jones was. Well Jones has an .890 SV% and 3.19 GAA. That's not far off from where Holtby is. But we are also SUBSTANTIALLY better than the Sharks as a team. And that's the thing...Holtby is in the bottom 20% (roughly) of the league in terms of SV% and GAA, but he's on a team that's best in the league. We're winning despite Holtby, not because of Holtby.

Now I also understand that SV% and GAA aren't everything. Maybe they're almost as useless as +/-, I don't know. But let's not pretend they don't mean anything at all here. Samsonov has been solid. He hasn't been lights out stand on his head brilliant. He hasn't stolen the starting job from Holtby, as much as Holtby has lost it with his poor play. But Samsonov has earned a chance, much like Grubauer earned his chance a few years ago. Worse case scenario, Samsonov also goes through some rough patches and we cycle Holtby in to see if he's gotten his shit together. Best case scenario, Samsonov plays well for us and/or Holtby finds his game again come playoff time.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: DC_1908 on Sunday January 12, 2020, 10:36:02 AM Eastern
I'll say it again. WE NEED TO GET HOLTBY THE FUCK OUT OF THE STARTING POSITION.

Holtby: 32 GP, 18-9-4, .899 SV%, 3.02 GAA

Samsonov: 16 GP, 12-2-1, .921 SV%, 2.24 GAA

Now I understand that Samsonov hasn't played enough games for it to be a significant enough sample size. I also understand that Samsonov, in his limited time in the NHL, hasn't done much to prove he is better or can be better than Holtby in his prime (i.e. Vezina caliber Holtby). There's nothing that tells us Samsonov will be the next Vezina and Cup winning goalie. But Holtby has done JACK SHIT to prove that he deserves to keep his starting spot. He's riding on the coattails of his Vezina/Cup wins. That's it. He's the employee who rolls into work 4 hours late and just sits there doing nothing. And when his co-workers ask why he's being a lard ass, he just pulls out his resume and says "that's why."

DC - You say there's no planet where Samsonov in his limited time in the NHL has proven to be better than an established veteran like Holtby? Okay I'll give you that. Samsonov COULD be better one day but we're going to need to see a lot more games out of him to begin to judge. But there's also no fucking universe where less than .900 SV% and more than 3.00 GAA is considered good for an NHL goalie, much less a goalie making $6-7 million this year, and on track to make $10 million.

Several days ago when we were playing the Sharks, everyone was talking about how much of a shit goalie Martin Jones was. Well Jones has an .890 SV% and 3.19 GAA. That's not far off from where Holtby is. But we are also SUBSTANTIALLY better than the Sharks as a team. And that's the thing...Holtby is in the bottom 20% (roughly) of the league in terms of SV% and GAA, but he's on a team that's best in the league. We're winning despite Holtby, not because of Holtby.

Now I also understand that SV% and GAA aren't everything. Maybe they're almost as useless as +/-, I don't know. But let's not pretend they don't mean anything at all here. Samsonov has been solid. He hasn't been lights out stand on his head brilliant. He hasn't stolen the starting job from Holtby, as much as Holtby has lost it with his poor play. But Samsonov has earned a chance, much like Grubauer earned his chance a few years ago. Worse case scenario, Samsonov also goes through some rough patches and we cycle Holtby in to see if he's gotten his shit together. Best case scenario, Samsonov plays well for us and/or Holtby finds his game again come playoff time.
Again, it’s not that Holtby is washed up worthless and never was to begin with, with or without his coach.  It’s assuredly that he doesn’t want to be here anymore, and who can blame him?


This leaves us in a shit situation.  Him being a UFA will hurt his trade value this year.  If we if we did move him, we risk having to face him in the playoffs/final, which he will be a on a mission and know everything we do.  That also would leave us in a situation with a hot rookie, who could fall of the cliff, or get hurt, and leave us Copley and Viviwhatever in net.


On the other hand trying what The Hens did with giving up and benching a Cup winner for a hot rookie, (the young one who was out in second round and the other took an expansion team to the finals)  has worked about once.  Oh if Holtby was pissed now, heh what til that happens.


The thing to note is how the team plays and what changes they make based on who is in net.   If they played the same style and protected Holts like they do Sammy, it may get his head back in the game, and keep the 4+ GAA to almost nonexistent
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday January 12, 2020, 11:11:46 AM Eastern
Again, it’s not that Holtby is washed up worthless and never was to begin with, with or without his coach.  It’s assuredly that he doesn’t want to be here anymore, and who can blame him?


Honestly, why wouldn't Holtby want to be here anymore? You saying they shouldn't of signed Kuzy and Oshie in 2017, because Holtby's contract was gonna be up in 2020??  :huh: Makes no sense. He's just a product of the salary cap. Im sure he understands the situation. I guess we could go the route the Kings did and sign him to a 10 year deal, then hold our breath we don't end up last in the east..
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: waynerivers on Sunday January 12, 2020, 12:06:43 PM Eastern
As bad as the guys have looked, the biggest problem this team has is standing behind the bench.  It's clear that Rierden just writes out the lineup, tinkers with the lines a bit and that's it.  He has no clue how to discipline a lazy and careless team.  A good coach would only need to see about two of those 80' stretch passes in one game to read the riot act to them.  Yet, they've been doing that for weeks 5-6 times a game.  That's a sign of laziness, of guys not skating and of guys not backchecking.  Trotz would have fixed that instantly.  Same with the confused, panicky play in our own zone.  Rierden simply doesn't have what it takes, regardless of the current record.  This team will be one and done again as things now stand.

I tell you what I'd do, even with the team in first place.  I'd send a message by unloading Rierden and hiring a guy like Alan May.  He always makes insightful comments on the team and quickly diagnoses what they are doing wrong.  He's an old school guy who would command a lot more respect than Mr. Magoo back there.  Of course, that would be bold and boldness is frowned on in most professional sports organizations.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: zerofox on Sunday January 12, 2020, 12:16:34 PM Eastern
DC - Even if Holtby doesn't want to be here anymore, shouldn't he be playing his best? After all, he's in a contract year. He may have "earned" a big contract with his prior achievements but his performance this year is only going to hurt his value going forward.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Sunday January 12, 2020, 12:56:46 PM Eastern
I will say this till I’m blue in the face!!


 Generally speaking, the Washington Capitals, probably the team with the most elite, overall, talent in the league, on paper, DO NOT play at their superior level, when they DON’T FEEL LIKE IT, and DON’T HAVE TO!!  PERIOD!!!


If you simply insert this theory, at the proper time, every season, from the time that Trotz arrived, and turned this team into an unbeatable machine, when the players CHOOSE to all buy in, up to the present team under Rierden, (same great overall team talent),  then things COMPLETELY make sense,
and you can practically PREDICT what’s going to happen, IF, a few certain CONDITIONS are met!
You can almost LIST THEM, and then know the general expectations!


Here are a few conditions, first, that preclude, when we then witness intermittent, low energy games, that frustrate us and appear to defy all logic:


1) We have passed at least the first 1/3 of the season, where the first signs of boredom, and complacency, are potentially possible!
2) We’ve worked hard, early on, to be in 1st place in our division!
3) When we are FAR ahead in points, to the 2nd place teams points, either by Metro div.,Eastern conf.,or maybe even the ENTIRE league!
4) Thus, the atmosphere exists, and that beast WILL SHOW its ugly, prideful, head!!


 This has been the fucking same repeated pattern, every season since Trotz arrived,  and although I thought we may have started to begin shedding this damn pervasive SPELL, that comes upon us every year… WE HAVEN’T!! 


Oh, don’t worry fans!
The boys WILL remain atop the division!  (They’ll monitor it carefully!)
The boys WILL make the playoffs, no problem!


For the 1000th time, they will DIAL IT IN, WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT!


Rierden is IMPOTENT, to stop it!!
Hell...TROTZ, himself, could only barely manage it, most of the time, and TROTZ, represents THE PINNACLE of coaches, who have an uncanny ability to get the MAXIMUM effort, from even lesser talented players!  Look what he did with the Islanders! THIS IS HIS FORTE, and even HE couldn’t crack this phenomenon!


Let’s not forget that this issue, on the one hand, is actually a LUXURY, to have for ANY cities’ hockey team!  It’s been a rare occurrence throughout NHL history, for a city to have a team that is SO GOOD, that they can actually afford to let off the gas, when they get complacent,  and still dominate their division, and make the playoffs… GUARANTEED!!


On the other hand, it REAKS of the attitude of SPOILED, SISSY, CHILDREN,  Who actually have it ALL, and instead of being appreciative, take advantage of the loyalty and unique admiration, heaped upon them by millions of their fans, WHO, by the way,  are the entire reason they’ve been blessed with a one-in-a-million, opportunity of a lifetime!!


For you fans that can “roll with that”, and be accepting of it, without complaint, Well then,... I sincerely applaud, your ability to “grow with the times”,  and actually respect your ability to be at peace with it!


My old ass CAN’T, and probably never will!!  But I’ll still be a fan, because I’m smart enough to know that I can’t do a damn thing about it!!


You may notice, that when I gripe about our Caps, especially when they start having a bad spell,  you will see me get quite vocal about my frustration, in a stomp my feet kind of way!
 However MY complaints, are about individuals, and coaches, and team attitude, but all the while, I never, have thoughts that the sky is falling for the season on the CAPS!
[size=78%]I know they’re fucking complacent asses all too well!! And I get damn resentful at them!![/size]


 All the while knowing they will most likely again, finish first in the Metro, and make the playoffs! (OH, they’ll make DAMN sure of that!)
 I will also be there FERVENTLY rooting them on!
 But boy, I hate paying the price of being a fan of these guys, during this part of the season!!


Rush


I disagree with your timing, Club Kettler started long before Trotz was here
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday January 12, 2020, 02:28:18 PM Eastern
As bad as the guys have looked, the biggest problem this team has is standing behind the bench.  It's clear that Rierden just writes out the lineup, tinkers with the lines a bit and that's it.  He has no clue how to discipline a lazy and careless team.  A good coach would only need to see about two of those 80' stretch passes in one game to read the riot act to them.  Yet, they've been doing that for weeks 5-6 times a game.  That's a sign of laziness, of guys not skating and of guys not backchecking.  Trotz would have fixed that instantly.  Same with the confused, panicky play in our own zone.  Rierden simply doesn't have what it takes, regardless of the current record.  This team will be one and done again as things now stand.

I tell you what I'd do, even with the team in first place.  I'd send a message by unloading Rierden and hiring a guy like Alan May.  He always makes insightful comments on the team and quickly diagnoses what they are doing wrong.  He's an old school guy who would command a lot more respect than Mr. Magoo back there.  Of course, that would be bold and boldness is frowned on in most professional sports organizations.


Of course, I agree with you, Wayne!
Theoretically, YOU absolutely offer a great alternative!


Given the overwhelming evidence that you point out, “a lazy and careless team”, AND more good observations of when it’s happening, (the 80’ stretch passes, etc.), which I’ll have to add to my aforementioned LIST, (above)👍, we must recall that this occurred ALSO, in the Trotz era, although he could get on top of it, somewhat, whereas Rierden, IMO, doesn’t have a clue, and POSSIBLY just writes it off as simply “ one of those things that happens, occasionally”, which can be interpreted as basically throwing in the towel and admitting that The TEAM dictates how things are basically going to go.


By its very nature, this problem would never happen on any losing team in the NHL! In my opinion, it is born from a combination of extremely talented players, with less mental character, in combination with a passive coach, when it comes to these issues!


I, for one, intentionally refuse to cut them the same slack, that I would for any other average person in society!
They are blessed with an extremely rare opportunity in life, and should, I repeat, SHOULD, be held to a higher standard of conduct. I understand this is a fundamental philosophical belief, that folks in society are are either on one side, OR the other.
Good post, Wayne!


Rush
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday January 12, 2020, 02:37:11 PM Eastern

I disagree with your timing, Club Kettler started long before Trotz was here


Good point, Alta. You’re probably right!
We could all probably go back to 2010, with Montreal in the first round of the playoffs, or even before.
Yes, the same phenomena, can be observed, even prior to Barry Trotz.


I chose him as a starting point, simply because the argument could be made that if anybody could’ve ended this teams culture issues, it would have been HIM!


And even HE had minimal success with it, that’s how deep and pathetic it is!


Rush
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Sunday January 12, 2020, 03:04:07 PM Eastern

Good point, Alta. You’re probably right!
We could all probably go back to 2010, with Montreal in the first round of the playoffs, or even before.
Yes, the same phenomena, can be observed, even prior to Barry Trotz.


I chose him as a starting point, simply because the argument could be made that if anybody could’ve ended this teams culture issues, it would have been HIM!


And even HE had minimal success with it, that’s how deep and pathetic it is!


Rush


it goes back to when Semin was here, IMO
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Sunday January 12, 2020, 04:05:56 PM Eastern
and the comeback wins they've had this year don't help to fix that coast mentality, now they think they just need to keep it close until the last 5:00 and they can pull a win out of the nether regions
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 06:56:31 PM Eastern

I disagree with your timing, Club Kettler started long before Trotz was here

There have been two coaches who have challenged the "Kllub Kettler" mentality. 

The first was the interim coach, Dale Hunter, who was brought in as a temp.  He was asked to stay, but declined.
The second was Trotz.

Klub Kettler has been around for a while.  I almost commented on exctly that last night.  The "Klub Kettler" attitude.  There were difinite shades of Bruce B, last night.   
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:02:41 PM Eastern
I'll say it again. WE NEED TO GET HOLTBY THE FUCK OUT OF THE STARTING POSITION.

Holtby: 32 GP, 18-9-4, .899 SV%, 3.02 GAA

Samsonov: 16 GP, 12-2-1, .921 SV%, 2.24 GAA

Now I understand that Samsonov hasn't played enough games for it to be a significant enough sample size. I also understand that Samsonov, in his limited time in the NHL, hasn't done much to prove he is better or can be better than Holtby in his prime (i.e. Vezina caliber Holtby). There's nothing that tells us Samsonov will be the next Vezina and Cup winning goalie. But Holtby has done JACK SHIT to prove that he deserves to keep his starting spot. He's riding on the coattails of his Vezina/Cup wins. That's it. He's the employee who rolls into work 4 hours late and just sits there doing nothing. And when his co-workers ask why he's being a lard ass, he just pulls out his resume and says "that's why."

DC - You say there's no planet where Samsonov in his limited time in the NHL has proven to be better than an established veteran like Holtby? Okay I'll give you that. Samsonov COULD be better one day but we're going to need to see a lot more games out of him to begin to judge. But there's also no fucking universe where less than .900 SV% and more than 3.00 GAA is considered good for an NHL goalie, much less a goalie making $6-7 million this year, and on track to make $10 million.

Several days ago when we were playing the Sharks, everyone was talking about how much of a shit goalie Martin Jones was. Well Jones has an .890 SV% and 3.19 GAA. That's not far off from where Holtby is. But we are also SUBSTANTIALLY better than the Sharks as a team. And that's the thing...Holtby is in the bottom 20% (roughly) of the league in terms of SV% and GAA, but he's on a team that's best in the league. We're winning despite Holtby, not because of Holtby.

Now I also understand that SV% and GAA aren't everything. Maybe they're almost as useless as +/-, I don't know. But let's not pretend they don't mean anything at all here. Samsonov has been solid. He hasn't been lights out stand on his head brilliant. He hasn't stolen the starting job from Holtby, as much as Holtby has lost it with his poor play. But Samsonov has earned a chance, much like Grubauer earned his chance a few years ago. Worse case scenario, Samsonov also goes through some rough patches and we cycle Holtby in to see if he's gotten his shit together. Best case scenario, Samsonov plays well for us and/or Holtby finds his game again come playoff time.

i don't hate Holtby, but ever since Mitch Korn left, it seems to have been one step forward and three steps back for Holts.  Does he just not remember the lessons, the drills?
Holtby has not been playing well lately and I'm very surprised that he's in the All Star game tbh.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:02:42 PM Eastern
There have been two coaches who have challenged the "Kllub Kettler" mentality. 

The first was the interim coach, Dale Hunter, who was brought in as a temp.  He was asked to stay, but declined.
The second was Trotz.

Klub Kettler has been around for a while.  I almost commented on exctly that last night.  The "Klub Kettler" attitude.  There were difinite shades of Bruce B, last night.


Bruce2 tried to break up club kettler, that’s when he lost OV, which cost him the locker room
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:06:16 PM Eastern

Bruce2 tried to break up club kettler, that’s when he lost OV, which cost him the locker room

Yep.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:13:37 PM Eastern
and the comeback wins they've had this year don't help to fix that coast mentality, now they think they just need to keep it close until the last 5:00 and they can pull a win out of the nether regions

This is turning out to be a slightly worrying trend.  Not least from that recent ridiculous comeback in the last minute. 

Over confidence?  Arrogance?  Ignorance, more like!   
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:23:24 PM Eastern

it goes back to when Semin was here, IMO


 :lmao:
When I think of Semin, The first thoughts aren't of how amazing a player he was, or how fast, or how skilled.  I always think of that rabbit punching he did.......  Handbags at dawn Sir? 
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:34:45 PM Eastern

Good point, Alta. You’re probably right!
We could all probably go back to 2010, with Montreal in the first round of the playoffs, or even before.
Yes, the same phenomena, can be observed, even prior to Barry Trotz.


I chose him as a starting point, simply because the argument could be made that if anybody could’ve ended this teams culture issues, it would have been HIM!


And even HE had minimal success with it, that’s how deep and pathetic it is!


Rush

Disagree with this luv.Trotz was a fantastic coach and has always come across as a decent person.  he got Mitch Korn here to school Holtby.  I'm npt xure many other coaches could have done that.

Trotz was the one to eliminate Klub Kettler.

THAT is how and why we won the CUP.
HE was the one that got us to play as a TEAM.
HE was the one who taught our boys what TEAM meant.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:39:57 PM Eastern
I'll say it again. WE NEED TO GET HOLTBY THE FUCK OUT OF THE STARTING POSITION.

Holtby: 32 GP, 18-9-4, .899 SV%, 3.02 GAA

Samsonov: 16 GP, 12-2-1, .921 SV%, 2.24 GAA

Now I understand that Samsonov hasn't played enough games for it to be a significant enough sample size. I also understand that Samsonov, in his limited time in the NHL, hasn't done much to prove he is better or can be better than Holtby in his prime (i.e. Vezina caliber Holtby). There's nothing that tells us Samsonov will be the next Vezina and Cup winning goalie. But Holtby has done JACK SHIT to prove that he deserves to keep his starting spot. He's riding on the coattails of his Vezina/Cup wins. That's it. He's the employee who rolls into work 4 hours late and just sits there doing nothing. And when his co-workers ask why he's being a lard ass, he just pulls out his resume and says "that's why."

DC - You say there's no planet where Samsonov in his limited time in the NHL has proven to be better than an established veteran like Holtby? Okay I'll give you that. Samsonov COULD be better one day but we're going to need to see a lot more games out of him to begin to judge. But there's also no fucking universe where less than .900 SV% and more than 3.00 GAA is considered good for an NHL goalie, much less a goalie making $6-7 million this year, and on track to make $10 million.

Several days ago when we were playing the Sharks, everyone was talking about how much of a shit goalie Martin Jones was. Well Jones has an .890 SV% and 3.19 GAA. That's not far off from where Holtby is. But we are also SUBSTANTIALLY better than the Sharks as a team. And that's the thing...Holtby is in the bottom 20% (roughly) of the league in terms of SV% and GAA, but he's on a team that's best in the league. We're winning despite Holtby, not because of Holtby.

Now I also understand that SV% and GAA aren't everything. Maybe they're almost as useless as +/-, I don't know. But let's not pretend they don't mean anything at all here. Samsonov has been solid. He hasn't been lights out stand on his head brilliant. He hasn't stolen the starting job from Holtby, as much as Holtby has lost it with his poor play. But Samsonov has earned a chance, much like Grubauer earned his chance a few years ago. Worse case scenario, Samsonov also goes through some rough patches and we cycle Holtby in to see if he's gotten his shit together. Best case scenario, Samsonov plays well for us and/or Holtby finds his game again come playoff time.

Holts has properly fallen off the proverbial cliff.  I agree,
Not sure if Sammy is totally ready, but hey, he's moved all the way over there  Left his famly and friends and comfort zone.....
I would like to see him get more starts.
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday January 12, 2020, 07:42:51 PM Eastern
I tell you what I'd do, and hiring a guy like Alan May.  He always makes insightful comments on the team and quickly diagnoses what they are doing wrong.  He's an old school guy who would command a lot more respect than Mr. Magoo back there.  Of course, that would be bold and boldness is frowned on in most professional sports organizations.
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Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday January 12, 2020, 11:53:18 PM Eastern
Disagree with this luv.Trotz was a fantastic coach and has always come across as a decent person.  he got Mitch Korn here to school Holtby.  I'm npt xure many other coaches could have done that.

Trotz was the one to eliminate Klub Kettler.

THAT is how and why we won the CUP.
HE was the one that got us to play as a TEAM.
HE was the one who taught our boys what TEAM meant.


 I DO respect and see where you’re coming from Lily!


 Not exactly sure where you got the part that I may not think that Trotz was a fantastic coach?
I totally agree with you, in that I absolutely think Trotz was fantastic, AND I also believe the capitals CHOSE to pull it together, to lay everything on the line, and win the CUP,  FOR Barry Trotz!


The locker room, I believe, had an inkling that Trotz was not coming back, that this was their last year with him!!
 There were all kinds of rumors, and small leaks,  starting in the preseason,  when management did not offer the customary, 1yr prior,  contract renewal, in the summer, leading up to his last season here!


 Word had it, that this was an insult to Trotz, He felt, (and I agree), that his performance, the prior years, had warranted a longer-term, career ending with the Caps, type contract!


 Not to rehearse all the stuff over again, but it was this backdrop, going into the locker room in the playoffs, that the players knew their coach would not return next year!


It is my belief, that this was the time when the Caps collectively decided to give it their all, giving themselves, the city, and the head coach they respected, the Stanley Cup they KNEW they could attain!!


Having said this, my point about this long repeated pattern of complacency, marked by the lazy and careless play we see, when they’re way ahead in the standings, is something that Barry Trotz also had to battle with,  as we saw this same phenomenon occur in the 2 Presidents trophy years, AND, the Stanley Cup winning season!


 No doubt, he was critical in bringing the boys to play more as a team!
 No doubt, he was critical in bringing the boys to collectively buy in to his idea of hockey![size=78%] [/size]


BUT...
Trotz NEVER solved the issue!  Although I agree he may have managed it a little better than the other coaches! He did NOT eliminate the Kettler Culture!
 We witnessed it with our own eyes, every mid season, when Trotz was coach too!


 The difference is, IMO, Barry Trotz was not only a fantastic coach but a fantastic PERSON!!
 The capitals have had the “potential“ to win the Stanley Cup several times in the last five years, but it was there incredible RESPECT for their coach, for THE MAN, that Trotz is, that caused the lesser character, “Kettler culture”, players, to MAN UP, and CHOOSE, I repeat, CHOOSE, to play their hearts out and WIN a CUP,  that their coach, and themselves, already knew they could achieve!!


AND.... IT’S STILL AWESOME!!!😁😁


Rush



Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: PUCKNRUSH on Sunday January 12, 2020, 11:57:43 PM Eastern
This is turning out to be a slightly worrying trend.  Not least from that recent ridiculous comeback in the last minute. 

Over confidence?  Arrogance?  Ignorance, more like!   


Hell....you nailed it Lil!👍 ALL THREE😁😆


You go, girl!


Rush
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 13, 2020, 10:00:08 AM Eastern
As bad as the guys have looked, the biggest problem this team has is standing behind the bench.  It's clear that Rierden just writes out the lineup, tinkers with the lines a bit and that's it.  He has no clue how to discipline a lazy and careless team.  A good coach would only need to see about two of those 80' stretch passes in one game to read the riot act to them.  Yet, they've been doing that for weeks 5-6 times a game.  That's a sign of laziness, of guys not skating and of guys not backchecking.  Trotz would have fixed that instantly.  Same with the confused, panicky play in our own zone.  Rierden simply doesn't have what it takes, regardless of the current record.  This team will be one and done again as things now stand.

I tell you what I'd do, even with the team in first place.  I'd send a message by unloading Rierden and hiring a guy like Alan May.  He always makes insightful comments on the team and quickly diagnoses what they are doing wrong.  He's an old school guy who would command a lot more respect than Mr. Magoo back there.  Of course, that would be bold and boldness is frowned on in most professional sports organizations.
Agree completely.  In fairness, he’s been better this year, but that isn’t sayin a lot.  He does what he’s told and nothing more than a glorified babysitter
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday January 13, 2020, 10:20:39 AM Eastern
DC - Even if Holtby doesn't want to be here anymore, shouldn't he be playing his best? After all, he's in a contract year. He may have "earned" a big contract with his prior achievements but his performance this year is only going to hurt his value going forward.
One could think that, but also, why risk getting hurt, wear out, or burn out to make a team, and growing fan base, that thinks he’s expandable and doesn’t give two pan-fried fucks about him and are happy to turn on him and stab him in the back?


The guy got us into the playoffs every year, won our only Cup, ranked as an elite goalie on a teams that played a video game system, left him alone to face constant odd man rushes, forwards getting high minutes that turn the puck over every shift  and a DCorps that won’t clear the crease.


His resume, but more than that, coaches film (when they can see this and that he’s not a washed up hack), along with the market, will all but guarantee a top salary for him.  So why risk that in a few mid season games of minimal importance for a team and fanbase who have stabbed him in the back to get another division title?
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 13, 2020, 12:13:23 PM Eastern
THIS?  THis is the game I anxiously awaited for days?


Thanks Caps



Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 13, 2020, 12:19:57 PM Eastern
On the goalie situation:


Love Holtby....but he sucks right now.


Impressed by Sammy, but not enough games to make a FOREVER decision on him.


However, hard to argue with Sammy's record of 12-2 and his level of play so far.


Holtby may not be getting the same effort from the team in front of him, but he still MUST do his job....whether he is happy or angry or lonely or butthurt or whatever.  You still must do the BEST you can do.  And IF he is giving us his best right now then something is wrong.


I think all of what is going on just pushes the argument for more playing time for Sammy.


And...WHICH goalie is giving you the best chance to win right now?  The NEXT game?  Holtby brought us years of great success and a Cup.  Which goalie do you think has better chance to win you the NEXT game we have to play?  Play THAT goalie.


it is certainly NOT all on the goalie, but which goalie gives you the best chance at winning (right now)


GO CAPS

Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: Mickstix on Monday January 13, 2020, 12:30:23 PM Eastern
Samsonov will be in net tonight vs Carolina..
Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday January 13, 2020, 03:56:48 PM Eastern
Samsonov will be in net tonight vs Carolina..


Yeah, but that was probably the plan in the schedule regardless of Holtby's play of late


Glad to see Sammy in though

Title: Re: G46 Devils @ Capitals 7:00pm Sat Jan 11, 2020 NBCSWA, MSG+ 2
Post by: alta on Monday January 13, 2020, 04:43:08 PM Eastern

Yeah, but that was probably the plan in the schedule regardless of Holtby's play of late


Glad to see Sammy in though


three games left before the bye week, Sammy is gonna get at least one of them