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| :spacer50pix: 13-Vrana | :spacer50pix: 20-Eller | :spacer50pix: 10-Connolly |
| :spacer50pix: 65-Burakovsky | :spacer50pix: 72-Boyd | :spacer50pix: 25-Smith-Pelly |
| :spacer50pix: 23-Jaskin | :spacer50pix: 26-Dowd | :spacer50pix: 18-Stephenson |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 6-Kempny | :spacer50pix: 74-Carlson |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 9-Orlov | :spacer50pix: 2-Niskanen |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 29-Djoos | :spacer50pix: 22-Bowey |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 70-Holtby (starter) |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 1-Copley |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 92-Kuznetsov (upper body injury, day-to-day) |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 77-Oshie (upper body injury, day-to-day) |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 34-Siegenthaler |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 44-Orpik (Knee Surgery, 3-5 weeks before return) |
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| :spacer50pix: 13-Vrana | :spacer50pix: 10-Connolly | :spacer50pix: 65-Burakovsky |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 2-Niskanen | :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 9-Orlov |
it's puckin 6:00 and no pictures of Trotz getting his ring yet
FFS! They just showed it on Caps Faceoff Live and they talked over Trotz the WHOLE TIME. Jackasses! :huh:
Trotz getting his ring was on twitter a while ago..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1067189004901195776 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1067189004901195776)
that's why the Caps need a different set of zebras (Ō_ƆŎ)It's O'Helloran. What do you expect?
Indirectly, DC raises the big question: Is this just a [totally unprecedented] hot streak for Wilson
I suppose I could imagine they didn't see Wilson get hit in the face with a stick, but how do you miss Orlov getting tripped? 8-0It's O'Helloran. ::)
Willy now has 10 points in his short season, and Backy ties Bonsai with 825 assistsI think you mean 825 points.
Indirectly, DC raises the big question: Is this just a [totally unprecedented] hot streak for Wilson which will eventually end and he will go back to being much, if not virtually, the same player he has been in his career thus far? Or is this in fact a fundamentally different and more dangerous Tom Wilson that has been unleashed on the NHL? One thing to remember: In last year's playoffs, Wilson produced at a rate that, when extrapolated to an 80-game season, would yield 60 points. Given his suspension, if he plays the rest of the year at that pace overall he would accumulate close to 50 points. In 7+games thus far, he already has 10.It’s a bit of both. However, I doubt many goalies/goalie coach’s currently have Wilson very high on their list to be concerned with, so he will benefit from that.
other than the first minute, it was good period from the Caps
Willy now has 10 points in his short season, and Backy ties Bonsai with 825 pointsFixed it. I was going say Bondra was no where near that assist total.
SWEET goal. Didn't expect that from Dowd. 8-0 :P
Are you a Dowder? :uh-huh::lmao:
I’ve seen a bunch of NYI fouls but no calls.I repeat - O'HELLoran. :O=
What was that about with Holtby? Almost at the bench.He obviously thought the Islanders were getting a penalty. They should have had a few.
I find it hard to believe the jackass zebras haven't seen any infractions from the Islanders so farDon't expect "Hells" to see any in the 3rd either, expecially as we're leadong. Him and his brother O'Rourke are two of the worst and most anti-Caps refs in the NHL.
fukin zebrasAnother questionable call.
The way Bowie played his man in the corner was called interference the other nightThat's the way the game is meant to be played but like you said refs are calling those.
this is so stupid, there is absolutely no reason for east and west teams to play each other three times a year, before the playoffsWhat are you referring to?
Buffalo Sabres are on a 9 game winning streak and sit in second place in the Atlantic. 8-0 :huh:
I would think Boyd will sit when Kuzy returns which most likely will be Friday against the Devils. Eller will return to the 3rd line. The guestion will be whether Kuzy returns to the top line or will Backstrom continue on the top line.
Great game. Both teams fought hard. I really enjoyed it. With fair refs it may have been an even more lopsided score.Fairly evenly played game. The Islanders just dont have the offensive talent. You could see that on their pp. It was atrocious.
The question is who sits when Osh and Kuz return.
I'm hoping Backstrom stays with Ovi. We give up too many chances when Kuzy and Ovi are on the ice together. Ovi has been a bit lazy in our zone this year. The goal we gave up Ovi may have had a chance to make a play on the guy at the blue line.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kuzy goes right back on the top line, only because a Kuzy/Connolly/Vrana line is a big defensive question mark. But Backstrom centering that line gives it some defensive gravitas. After Oshie returns and Connolly drops in the lineup, then maybe you could do Vrana/Kuzy/Oshie on occasion at least.
Ovie/Kuzy/Wilson is a respectable defensive line because Ovie has been playing a much better all-around game the last couple of seasons. Trotz finally got through to him.
A ggod game to stay up for.I thought that was the best I've seen our Dmen play so far this season.As much as I wanted Willy to get the hattie, I'm glad Ovi got on the board too. I think if Willy had been up there, he would have gifted it to him. :hearts:Our dmen did play well. I think Bowey was our best dman tonight.
Our dmen did play well. I think Bowey was our best dman tonight.
speaking of which, the NHL channel just gave their 3 starts of the night.
THE BIG WILLY
got the #1 star !!
A lot of accolades to go around tonite!Just wondering where you are getting these total hits numbers from. You say Dowd has 30 hits and Jaskin has 10.
The GDT has pretty well covered it all!!
I want to also give credit to both Jaskin, and Dowd! They are making a great case for themselves to remain in the lineup!
Jaskin has been a real playmaker, recently! Although, he hasn’t quite found the net yet, you can feel it coming in the way he plays! He’s SO close! If he keeps it up, he’ll be scoring VERY soon!
Dowd, another of our grittier hustlers, IS being rewarded!! He’s making shit happen, as well!!
Just saw that Dowd has 30 HITS! That’s #1 on the team, with total TOI factored in!
He also leads team in + giveaway/takeaway ratio, as a percentage, although sample is small, it too, is relative to total TOI! (BTW, Dowds S% is also in the top 3, on the team)! He is BOTHERING opponents BIG TIME!!
Jaskin has 10 HITS already! Yes, a small sample, but very GOOD, nonetheless, at #3 with TOI included! Looked like a real pain in the ass for the Islanders tonite! He’s got good size too!!
Rush
dude, that’s prettyfuckingay
I wonder if that could be his nickname inside the locker room??
dude, that’sprettyfuckingay
lol Alta did not bring up the locker room 🤣
FIFY. :wackysmile: (No reflection on Alta, btw. In here it's cool, but to his face/in the locker room.. #gay)
You didn't think #tomwilsonisawesome, Alta?? :rofl:
FIFY. :wackysmile: (No reflection on Alta, btw. In here it's cool, but to his face/in the locker room.. #gay)
You didn't think #tomwilsonisawesome, Alta?? :rofl:
I've only ever used one hash tag in my life and I don't see that changing....Im telling Alan!!! :uh-huh: :rofl:
#hashtagsarestupid
Just wondering where you are getting these total hits numbers from. You say Dowd has 30 hits and Jaskin has 10.
I hate to even point this out, because it feels like some sort of a jinxing comment, but .....
the Caps haven't lost since Oshie and Kuznetsov left the lineup. And they've been playing good, and hot, teams since then.
Puck, I think you're spot on mentioning Jaskin and Dowd. The question is, are they the type of players who can tide you over for a short time but eventually get exposed if they play too much, or are they guys who can contribute longer-term? We'll see.
And then there is one outlier among the "losers" who has gone virtually unmentioned on this site this season, after having had a decent amount of good things said about him here last year. That outlier is Chandler Stephenson.
Over the years there has been a lot of back and forth about the meaning, or lack thereof, of +/- stats.
I find it interesting that the +/- "losers" for the Caps at this point are precisely the players that are being criticized most frequently on this site -- Orlov, Niskanen, Eller, and Burakovsky.
And then there is one outlier among the "losers" who has gone virtually unmentioned on this site this season, after having had a decent amount of good things said about him here last year. That outlier is Chandler Stephenson. I think he's been unmentioned because he has basically been invisible; done virtually nothing of note after having drawn some attention to himself last year. I wonder what's up with him? Soph slump maybe? It happens to some players.
Stephenson hasn't played well this season. I think it would help if he had regular line mates and played his normal position. He has played on all 4 lines playing both LW and rw but has yet to play his original position which is center.
No doubt! Have thought that a few times this year.. But he's not really done anything bad/wrong to be called out for (enough to notice) so, as you say, he's just been kinda invisible. Hopefully he get some shine here soon.
You are right into your corsi stats. Worst stat in hockey and coaches and players will tell you that.
I agree about Stephenson. I liked him last year. Still have hope for the guy, BUT...
It really has been a kind of “crickets” thing with him, so far this year!
Being small on the radar this season, so far, is not exactly a positive thing, for him!
He brought a lot of spotlight to himself, with his good play last year, but so far, nothing special right now! For now, I’ll keep it optimistic, and say he is overdue! But just like the last post, “time will tell”!
Since I was just looking at stats today, I did notice one positive for him. He is one, of only 5 skaters on the Caps, who have more takeaways than giveaways.
If memory serves me right, the others were DSP, Jaskin, Eller, and Dowd!
A few of our better “possesion” guys were about even, i.e. Backy, Kempny, Kuzy, etc.
+/-, really is tricky to use, at best!
IMO, it’s a somewhat OK indicator, but even with that, you really need a large sample size, to use as a stand alone stat. (I don’t even recommend as a stand alone stat).
It is a much better stat when put alongside other Corsi-type stats, for a more relative, overall picture!
One of the flaws in it, is that it’s accuracy is theoretically improved, if all the lines were determined, by game #1 of the season, and STAYED that way ALL YEAR!
The first 20-25 games are filled with line experimentation, then consider injuries, player scratches, individuals, on a roll, or in a slump, and you have one hell of a mess, for +/- accuracies!
Insightful post, Black.
Rush
You are right into your corsi stats. Worst stat in hockey and coaches and players will tell you that.Actually Corsi is a great stat, . . .for goalies. It was developed (in short), to help goalies identify high percentage shot scenarios and situations (again, in short).
Our dmen did play well. I thinkBoweyCarlson was our best dman tonight.
Actually Corsi is a great stat, . . .for goalies. It was developed (in short), to help goalies identify high percentage shot scenarios and situations (again, in short).I would gave to agree with that assessment. I believe it was actually a goalie that developed it. The stat is completely misused. If it was accurate it would mean that Beagle may have been the worst player in the league the last couple of years. But we know that isn't the case.
However, the NHL has used it to jump on the "Saber Metric" bandwagon and twist it to sell as "Stat-tainment", making it a joke to everyone except goalies and their coaches.
This is a mainreason why Corsi stats can't be used in contract negotiations. . . .
Ya thanks :huh:
Someone hijacked Maaco's account again...
Fixed it for you ;)
I would gave to agree with that assessment. I believe it was actually a goalie that developed it. The stat is completely misused. If it was accurate it would mean that Beagle may have been the worst player in the league the last couple of years. But we know that isn't the case.Yep, i think it was goalie coach that developed it. But Beagle is a great example: when the opposing goalie saw Beagle on the ice, the stat would tell him not to expect high shot volumes, completely disregarding that he is a primary defensive player that shouldn’t necessarily have high offensive zone percentage or shot volumes, so from that point of view, his Corsi shouldn’t be high.
Yep, i think it was goalie coach that developed it. But Beagle is a great example: when the opposing goalie saw Beagle on the ice, the stat would tell him not to expect high shot volumes, completely disregarding that he is a primary defensive player that shouldn’t necessarily have high offensive zone percentage or shot volumes, so from that point of view, his Corsi shouldn’t be high.Some people use Corsi as a defensive stat. Others as a possession stat. It isnt really either. Its not even about quality of scoring chances. Its all about quantity of shots.
But that doesn’t make for good stat-tainment
You are right into your corsi stats. Worst stat in hockey and coaches and players will tell you that.
Yep, i think it was goalie coach that developed it. But Beagle is a great example: when the opposing goalie saw Beagle on the ice, the stat would tell him not to expect high shot volumes, completely disregarding that he is a primary defensive player that shouldn’t necessarily have high offensive zone percentage or shot volumes, so from that point of view, his Corsi shouldn’t be high.
But that doesn’t make for good stat-tainment
Uh oh! Gather round kids, I think we're getting ready to witness another episode of "were on the same page, but lets argue anyway" :wackysmile: :uh-huh: :rofl:
there is a post about that elsewhere
Uh oh! Gather round kids, I think we're getting ready to witness another episode of "were on the same page, but lets argue anyway" :wackysmile: :uh-huh: :rofl:
Sorry Rush but the corsi stat is by far the worst stat in hockey. Its used as an individual stat even though it is actually a 5 on 5 stat. It isnt a possession stat. Not even close. In fact a good possession team might have a lower corsi because they would rather hang onto the puck than throw low percentage shots towards the net. A lot of coaches feel that throwing a low percentage shot toward the net is more often than not just a change in possession or a turnover. I agree with that. If there is nothing there then why throw a low percentage shot towards the net. Corsi just isnt an actual possession stat.
In recent years a couple of the better corsi teams were Montreal and Carolina. But neither were very good teams. You may remember the Caps corsi was one of the worst. The stat is useless.
The plus/minus stat can be deceiving as well but at least it is straight forward. I think one thing that might help the stat a bit is if empty net goals weren't included.
there is a post about that elsewhere
also, this....
https://washingtoncapitalsfanforum.com/index.php/topic,54.msg17676.html#msg17676 (https://washingtoncapitalsfanforum.com/index.php/topic,54.msg17676.html#msg17676)
As I go down drowning, Maaco, and as the air bubbles pop at the surface, they release these words, over and over again:Ive never said plus/minus was a good stat but it is better than corsi. Rush do you realize that corsi is a similar stat except is uses shots for compared to shots against instead if goals. In the end they are both differential stats. Now ask yourself what's more important, shots attempted differential or goal differential? Pretty easy answer. Who gives a shit how many shots you have directed at the net. So what if throw 50 low quality shots on net every game if you can't score. In the end its the goal differential that matters.
"The +/- is not a very good stat....the +/- is not a very good stat....the +/- is not a......"
💧💦💧bluhb, bluhb, bluhb💧💦💧! You're killin' me, my friend!😂😂
Rush
Ive never said plus/minus was a good stat but it is better than corsi. Rush do you realize that corsi is a similar stat except is uses shots for compared to shots against instead if goals. In the end they are both differential stats. Now ask yourself what's more important, shots attempted differential or goal differential? Pretty easy answer. Who gives a shit how many shots you have directed at the net. So what if throw 50 low quality shots on net every game if you can't score. In the end its the goal differential that matters.
And Corsi is not a possession stat. Its not even close.
Here Maaco, actually I'm going to hit the hay early! I'll save you a few bucks:Corsi is not a possession stat.
From the book, Hockey Analytics, Explained:
Corsi: You may have heard of terms like Corsi and/or Fenwick being thrown around before. These are core concepts that are fundamental to understanding what drives the play during a game. Basically, Corsi is an approximation of puck possession that measures the total shot attempts for your team, and against your team, and stats can be viewed for Corsi results when a specific player is on the ice.
How about from Wikipedia:
Corsi. ... Corsi is used to approximate puck possession – the length of time a player's team controls the puck – and is typically measured as either a ratio (like plus-minus) of shot attempts for less shot attempts against, or as a percentage.
Or this one, from the book, Understanding Hockey Analytics.
· Corsi: the most popular advanced stat in the hockey blogosphere, Corsi is a possession metric developed by former Buffalo Sabres goaltending coach Jim Corsi.
As of today's currency values, $100, U.S., is equal to $132.82 Canadian.
If your wife is up to it, you can take her to dinner, and use the cash that you would have lost, to offset the dinner bill, OR
Put the money towards your "I'm coming to D.C." fund, and start to make it happen!
You, DC, and I, can laugh over this shit by the time you get here!👍👍
Just don't claim that Corsi, is not a possession stat! Fair enough!!
Thank you.
Rush
Corsi is not a possession stat.
You don't think I'm just going to let Rush off the hook. I gotta give him a hard time about something to make up for the ribbing I get about Carlson.
:lol:
Pretty sure you missed the dead horse (the beaten one)
You don't think I'm just going to let Rush off the hook. I gotta give him a hard time about something to make up for the ribbing I get about Carlson.